/lit/ - Literature

She's a good writer though

You will die alone and unloved.

>>11358975
Whenever a black so much as grazes 115, liberals immediately start drooling and do whatever they can to broadcast proof of the fact that a real live black person has a slightly above average intellect. They're unconsciously trying to prove to themselves and others that even those most blacks are dumb, many outliers and mulattoes are not. Whether or not a black person actually does anything interesting with their slightly above average intellect is secondary to the fact that they did anything at all. See also: Obama, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Hidden Figures, Toni Morrison.

>>11359039
or maybe some people who work at google like Octavia Butler.

>>11359039
Yes because one of the biggest tech companies in the world would definitely not have employees who are sci-fi fans...

>>11359039

what would the google doodle for Gene Wolfe look like?

never heard of her, what's her best books?

>>11358975
Go to your containment thread

>>11358975
We’ve got cicely saunders instead

>>11359161
>>11359166

>>11359253
Name calling isn't an argument sonny

>>11358975
Slay queen. Fuck white people and fuck Drumpf

Is she even good?

Ive never come across any serious recommendation for her books.

Is this what /lit/ is now?

Getting outraged by everything like the people you mock?

This is a reminder that Nick Land is down with Butler.

>>11359039
>>11359253
People think you're creepy and off-putting, I promise. If you don't think so, it's because you're woefully insensitive to social cues. It's okay though, you're probably too fucked up to be saved at this point. But please do try to confine your antics to the flytraps of the internet so as not to be too weighty an anchor to other, better human beings.

>>11358993

She's alright. As far as black writers go there are much better

>>11359381
love too compare an author with all black authors

>>11359368
Stop gaslighting this guy you faggot. I have a pretty good social circle and I can tell you that by far the creepiest people are liberal men like you who hide behind fawning nicities while secretly hating those around then and wanting in secret. You are the creep.

>>11359368
Interesting projection

>>11359412
Well ya, otherwise you wouldn't even talk about her.

>>11359413
>>11359419
Oh no, I'm just responding to how I and everyone I've ever known responds to overt racism. It's an unattractive quality in every sense. That is, unless you run with racists. But if you have any desire to participate in society at large after 1974, being accepting of the dignity of other races is important. How do you think people would react if he went spouting that nonsense of every time a black grazes 115" in public? It's dehumanizing, nonsensical, and downright conspiratorial in nature. Assuming he doesn't say things like that in public, do you really, for even one second, believe that the people around him can't sense his pathology? The thin veneer that separates them from his true beliefs, which he only affirms on anonymous imageboards?

Of course they can. That's not gas lighting, that's not projection, it's simply lived experience. If I was interested in feigning kindness I'd approach racists more tactfully. But from everything I've seen, they're a mentally ill lot who utterly lack self-awareness and have an inexplicable abundance of self-assuredness.

>>11359413
An echochamber is not considered a "pretty good social circle".

>>11359253
Do you retards have a problem with half life now as well?

>>11359445
I can see that's what you'd think if your social circle was mainly libarts dilletante baristas

>>11359457
Yeah, that the third game still isn't out.

>>11359457
Stop enjoying things, faggot. There isn't time for degenerate shit like video games now.

>>11359445
You seem like the kind of guy who likes to immediately and loudly announce that you aren’t racist and have a black friend when you’re at parties. After which you’ll try to burn one of your friends by telling your other friends that you think they’re secretly alt-right so you hat you can gain social standing.

Of course I’m just speculating based on lived experience.

>>11359461
I work in a law office and went to a top 20, studied biology and philosophy. But keep trying to find reasons to ignore me.

>>11359492
>You seem like the kind of guy who likes to immediately and loudly announce that you aren’t racist and have a black friend when you’re at parties.

Shockingly, I have literally never found myself in a position where I've felt the need to defend my views on race, and only discuss my values and views when asked about them. Nor do I care enough about anyone else's beliefs to discuss them behind their backs.

>>11359445
Lol, I've been sitting in public places and seen random strangers strike up conversations about how such-and-such place is going to the dogs because blacks are moving in, etc. You just think everyone is on your side because you filter out everyone who isn't as a racist and ignore their existence.

>>11359506
Hey, you just come off like that kind of obsequious little twerp, that’s all I’m saying.

>>11359368
>>11359445
>>11359506

Get a load of how painfully bitter this anon is writing hateful essays trying to get under someone else’s skin on an anonymous image board.

>>11359507
>You just think everyone is on your side because you filter out everyone who isn't as a racist and ignore their existence.

Nah, I grew up in a rural area, some of my earliest mentors and role-models were people exactly like those folks you mentioned. They aren't bad people, they're just like anybody else. But they're dinosaurs, and have no part in the better world we're (humanity) is building. Their views are informed by a lifetime of seclusion and misinformation, and that's not a mark against them. I certainly don't hate them, if that's what you think. The problem arises when some 22 year old reads the bell-curve and starts thinking they're on the right side of history, while ignoring the fact that their prejudices have no relation to reality. And the sad part is that they have access to better information, but they just won't let themselves see it. Ask yourself, if those people were really a part of the future, why has culture forsaken them? Why doesn't Starbucks proudly hoist signs exclaiming "No Coloreds!" and reap the PR victory from the still majority white populace? And repeat that question in whichever realms you choose, from art to tech. These kinds of divisive identity politics may be experiencing a renaissance in the West right now, but look to culture and you'll see that it is the death throe of this thought, not the rebirth.

>>11359039
You've got reddit foaming-at-the-mouth seething, but you're completely correct. Google is even worse than that, though.

>>11359510
>Hey, you just come off like that kind of obsequious little twerp, that’s all I’m saying.

Once I start hearing that from people who aren't losing their shit over Google giving a black sci-fi author a shout-out, I'll listen up. Till then I'd prefer to take personality advice from someone a bit less sensitive.

>>11359536
This entire post is just you confirming my point, you know?

>>11359536
Shalom Rabbi, I see you are getting better at constructing your own personal blog posts here! Have you considered using a tripfag yet?

>>11359548
Homeslice you know it doens't

>>11359556
It does. You're saying, "All of these people exist, but they don't count as part of the (my) world for [reasons]."

>>11359561
Only to a very poor reader

>>11359566
Nah, he's right. Your lack of self awareness is awe inspiring.

>>11359566
That's literally what you said.
>But they're dinosaurs, and have no part in the better world we're (humanity) is building
The "world" and "humanity" both include these people, but you exclude them because you're against their viewpoints.

>>11359572
>The "world" and "humanity" both include these people, but you exclude them because you're against their viewpoints.

The "world" and "humanity" also include people who believe that aliens assisted in the construction of the pyramids, the 9/11 was a false flag operation perpetrated to justify a middle-east invasion, people who dedicate their lives to hunting bigfoot, and people who apologize for the crimes of the Nazis and the Communists during the 20th century; additionally they include human traffickers, sex slavers, warlords, and child rapists.

Does the mere presence of a group demand their political enshrinement? Or can we think critically about values and decide which groups have a place in the progress of civilization?

>>11359594
>Muh diversity is our strength
Go to bed. Hillary lost.

>>11359594
>Or can we think critically about values and decide which groups have a place in the progress of civilization?
"We" includes the people you're trying to exclude from the conversation.

>>11359611
>Muh feelings need to be addressed in politics

Fuck off, princess

>>11359618
t. guy bitching about his feelings regarding humanity on an Italian olive futures forum

>>11359615
Yes, along with all other groups. That's why the president is in office, and also why his aggregate approval rating has never risen higher than 45.5% (the day after his inauguration).

>>11359626
4 more year.

>>11359625
Kalamatas are gonna be hot this quarter, I can feel it

>>11359626
4 more years.

>>11359626
So what is even your point? Everyone gets a say and your side may very well lose. Or maybe it won't. I doubt you thought Trump would be President right now. Who knows what the future will hold? The world you're supposedly building doesn't exist yet, and acting like it already does doesn't seem to be the most useful propaganda.

>>11359364
He used to be a card-carrying xenofeminist. Now that he's an official member of Richard Spencer Presents The Alt-Right™ it will slowly be driven out of him.

Is she worth reading? Many of her fans like okorafor and jemisin are low quality and obnoxious so i avoided butler. What book should i start with?

>>11359709
No. Start with the Greeks.

>>11359381
Of sci-fi?

>>11359545
Can we know what your relationship with your parents are, especially your father?

>>11359161
>>11359166
Did you even read my post? I agree that they like mediocre black people, I'm explaining why that is

>>11358993

her books could have done with some more positive white male characters.

her books could have done with some positive white male characters.

every time i read the Xenogenesis books i get the feeling the message is "white men are violent rapists and capable of nothing better"

>>11359039
This is a very redpilled post, my fellow Kekistani!

I don't know much about her, and don't care about /pol/ shit, I just know the Parable of the Sower was the worst book I read in college. A very by-the-numbers post-apocalypse road trip, with a teen protagonist whose only character flaw is that she 'cares too much'. Nothing ever interested resulted from her 'hyper-empathy' and she faced no negative consequences despite constantly putting herself and her traveling group at risk for the dumbest shit.

It was also annoying how 60-year-old adults kept falling head over heels for some teenager's half-baked religion/spiritual blog-posts within half a page of dialogue. Maybe the rest of her work is better, but I think that was actually her most-celebrated novel.

>>11359039
This but unironically

>>11359368
>People think you're creepy and off-putting
why are females so quick to jump to socially-based shaming tactics in lieu of addressing the points being made? do they actually think "that's just so weird, buddy" is in any way a sensible answer?

Her bloodchild and short stories were alright. Made me feel weird in a /d/ way.

>>11359006
yikes

>>11358975
I don't understand why the primary thing they shine light in is how she looks different then other science fiction writers. Why not talk about her actual writing and how it was significant?

>>11361384
>I don't understand why the primary thing they shine light in is how she looks different then other science fiction writers

Who, right-wingers in this thread?

>>11359536
>Why doesn't Starbucks proudly hoist signs exclaiming "No Coloreds!" and reap the PR victory from the still majority white populace?
The Jew controlled state and its laws won't allow it. Freedom of association has been dead since 1964 as you well know.

>>11359368
>>11359445
Are you that guy who writes long, boring essays on how disgusting you think fascists are?
I'm glad to see you graduated to something a lot more broad. Most 4chan users are racist, whereas only a large plurality are fascist. Naturally, this opens up your opportunities to unsheathe your verbal rapier and show off your sharp wit.
Carry on! Your impression of a mentally ill leftist who's spent most of their live in an academic cloister is remarkably accurate and conveys a pointed (yet ironic, as you pose as one) sense of hatred for the intelligentsia.

>>11358993
Are most of her stories about being black?
I tend to stay away from black writers because most of their fiction is just about how tough life is as nigga and I really have no interest in reading stories about race.

>>11358975

thought it was nelson mandela

>>11361390
>middleclassneighbourhood.jpg
>knock on bedroom door
>Boomer dad: Hey sweety, your step mom and I are about to sit down to the Colbert show, fancy joining us?
>anon: [vocal fry voice] I'll catch it later on youtube, I'm busy chasing the right-wingerrrrrsss outta my online space.
>Boomer dad: Are you winning son?
>anon: heh they're so dumb, I'm really showing them dad
>Boomer dad: That's my boy

>>11361889
Based

>>11361889
>middleclassneighbourhood.jpg
>knock on bedroom door
>Boomer dad: Hey sweety, your step mom and I are about to sit down to watch Tucker Carlson Tonight, fancy joining us?
>anon: [vocal fry voice] I'll catch it later on youtube, I'm busy chasing the left-wingerrrrrsss outta my online space.
>Boomer dad: Are you winning son?
>anon: heh they're so dumb, I'm really showing them dad
>Boomer dad: That's my boy

>>11361908
considerably less based

>>11359039
>Neil deGrasse Tyson
He's the equivalent of a teenager who thinks he knows everything about the world because he watches youtube, don't see the appeal on him.

>>11361908
shitty post, be ashamed of yourself.

>>11361679
I'm pretty sure only her novel Kindred centers on race.

Her short stories are her real masterpieces though, and none of them explicitly mention race. You should especially read her story "Bloodchild."

>>11359173
Probably the best disease epidemic stories I've ever read.

>>11360546
well, no. Or I'm not sure I guess.

>>11361679
That's what I call the literature of oppression. People from marginalized groups in the US are only capable of writing about their marginalization, their oppression. This extends to other media, of course, not just books.

>>11362037
She's probably the best black author in SF - mostly because the only other major black author in sci-fi is Samuel Delany.

>>11362050
maybe its just the literature of low expectations, ever thought of that?

>>11358975
Jewgle strikes again. This nigger but not Jesus.

>>11361390
>right-wingers

>>11362050
But this isn't true, anon.

Vikram Seth has several novels focusing on white people (The Golden Gate, An Equal Music).

Kristin Hunter, an African-American writer from the 60's, wrote her most famous novel The Landlord around a white man.

In fact, the second novel ever published in the U.S. by a black woman - Sarah Farro's True Love - entirely involves white people and makes no mention of race.

The fact that you haven't heard of any of these probably speaks to a media that doesn't cover minority author when they write about anything other than being a minority.

>>11359536
To be fair to you, I think you are right that 4chan changes who you are. Like, 10 years ago I'd never consider using nigger in a sentence but now I found myself using it under my breath "oh that nigger" I will probably say it someday and get fired like that Netflix guy.

If you write down hateful language for hours, your speech patterns and personality WILL change, you won't notice it but it will. You'll come off more hateful your voice will be more strained and gruff.

One time you'll be with your friends and you'll say that dude was such a fucking faggot, your friends will let it slide but will say "man anon said faggot that was weird" and you'll not notice it but your friends will mentally put you on the bottom of the pecking order. They'll still be your friend but you'll miss out on concert tickets or being Best Man.

So I don't know if its as bad as you are saying but I definitely agree that people can lose out bigtime if they carry on their lives with hate and think of blacks as niggers ironically.

>>11362429
My professors were unironically racist. They weren’t conscious of it, and neither were the other students, eho were also sll white, but you could tell they had only been around white peoole their whole lives, and some of them had no problem with feeling superior even though three of them had immigrated from crostia. They were still racist, really fucking racist and they excluded me from everything. Ive honestly done my best to distance myself from them.

>>11362443
Where did you go to school?

>>11359493
>top 20
>not top 10
>lawyer
I have to admit I had a good chuckle when I read this on my phone at work

>>11362443
When I first read your post I thought you were a self hating white guy, so sorry if I was rude, it's a hell of a lot more relatable if you're actually a minority. The problem isn't that whites are racist. The problem isn't that you are dumb or conformist or whatever the fuck the stereotype of your race is. the problem is simply that you are living in a system built for a different group of people. You may fit in as an exception, but the sum of your children and their children and your extended family might not. It's not solely racial, it's cultural as well, protestants don't fit with catholics, scotch irish with anglos, and so on, genetic differences just reinforce this. It hurts the host group, and it hurts you since you probably grew up being indoctrinated by your integrated parents that white definition of success = your definition of success. You never got the chance to have the success of your ancestors. that's a goddamn shame

>>11362429
>words are racist mmkay?
Sorry man, but humans (especially under stress) will always find outlets. The language changes every 10 years, but human emotions and the fires that society lights under people's asses will never fade. People will always have hate in their heart, whether it's toward their boss or their neighbor people will always feel like they've been shorted. Then all it takes is one shared idea (even if it's 100% BS), and BAM, a new stereotype. You think words create the culture, but you have it entirely backwards.

>>11362429
You think saying faggot makes you homophobic? Kill yourself.

>>11362429
I pity the man who has that kind of "friends"

>>11362429
>concert tickets
>best man
jesus christ what kind of pussy friend group is this. All my friends do is drugs and grad school

>>11359006
Cringe

>>11359006
>pretend to not see obvious racial differences
>die loved for who you are not
>be an unrepentant motherfucker
>die loved for being that funny neighborhood old guy who says nigger all the time

Nice literature thread, faggot

>>11359536
>it's the current year!
is this the power of liberal brainpower?

>>11359039
this is your brain on pol

>>11359173
Beloved

>>11359445
It's funny how every (you) this post is getting is someone assuming that person is a liberal or political activist engaged in writing left-wing articles, but this post does have some truth to it, racism outside of the internet or some political rally filled with rednecks is mostly looked down upon, and I'm speaking of the non-political masses who aren't interested in these discussions on a daily basis.
Everyone at my work place are barely engaged in politics yet racism is just naturally wrong for them, same for most people, it's the default position for the majority of people in our contemporary society.

>>11363163
Stay cucked

Racism is a godless philosophy. You can talk endlessly about IQ scores, economic stagnation, crime rates, bank lending policies, and so on, and while all of these do point an unfavourable picture of black Americans, the onus is still on you not to let these data-points create the narrative that "black = bad."

Because, here's the thing, black doesn't actually equal bad. Black just equals.. different. Black people have different experiences, they have a different history, a different way of relating to their families, hell, even a different way of speaking, to other ethnic groups. Yes, some of these differences manifest themselves in anti-social behaviour, but there are a million and one reasons for this that aren't just "lol cuz they niggers."

If you legitimately hate or look down upon black people, I strongly urge you to spend the time to investigate *why.* If you fail to do so, fine, but then do not pretend like your discriminatory worldview is somehow justified or even just "pragmatic." Contrary to what our industrial civilization has taught us, there is so much more to life than material prosperity and political bickering. Seek the divine in all things.

>>11364338
I agree. I say nigger, but it's never with hate. Blacks are dumb and violent, but that's their nature, it's part of who they are. They're also naturally tuned into the flow of human conversations (so higher EQ I guess). They aren't nearly as neurotic as whites.

All races are fine, they should just live separate but equal.

>>11363535
>Everyone at my work place are barely engaged in politics yet racism is just naturally wrong for them
Those people are essentially NPC's though. They don't matter in the scheme of things and I hardly think of them at all in my day to day life.

>>11359039
You can do all you want after you GO BACK to europe. America belongs to Amerindians the same as europe belongs to europeans.

Time to get replaced, subhuman.

>>11364358
mutt whites here may as well be natives though. only in America could someone with 10% african or native DNA be considered "European".

>>11364369
Every person who wants to be surrounded by europeans shoud go back to europe.

This will please everyone.

>>11364371
believe me I agree. If arab and african immigration to Europe was completely stopped I would be in full favor of all whites returning there.

>>11364386
See>>11364358

>>11359413

>by far the creepiest people are liberal men like you who hide behind fawning nicities while secretly hating

True statement. I'd rather hang around plainspoken conservatives than liberal men too weak to express controversial opinions publicly

>>11359368
SNAP.

>>11364358
America was founded by and for European settlers. The aboriginals actively hindered America and its development both then and now and were not considered actual American citizens until after the culture wars of the 1960s. The only "Native Americans" are the Dutch and especially English settlers who spilled their blood creating the nation, its culture, and its institutions.

If the aboriginals founded America, they would have founded America. But they didn't. They were roaming, loosely organized tribes of savages who never made it out of the bronze age. To say a pack of illiterates were responsible for American English, the Constitution, New York City, and Harvard University is a moronic and deliberate revision of history.

>>11364351
those are more than half the population, you say you don't think of them in your daily life but you probably know a lot of them

>>11364451
Except America is Amerindian land the same as europe is european land.

You can take back all your institutions without problems to europe.

>>11364459
I do for sure, I just don't give a shit about their opinions. I care about their thoughts on other things I suppose like love or friendship or the like, but they're basically children.

>>11361908
god is this seriously all you got?

>>11359594
>9/11 was a false flag operation perpetrated to justify a middle-east invasion
But it was, you smug NPC retard.

>>11361908
lowerclassneighborhood.jpg
>bang on door frame since door fell down years ago
>inner city mom: ay nigga wut u doin up in here on that computer machine like u some sorta bitch ass whitey, yalls corn flakes r gettin cold
>anon: but momma I'm busy callin whitey racist!
>basket ball american mom: well u show them white devil honeys son!
>anon: ye them niggas be dum
>fried chicken american mom: *aw he cute*

imagine being the exact reason for google's decision and not realizing it
fucking /pol/

>>11358975
shitposts and racism aside, what are some of her best works?

People arguing about political correctness on 4chan have gotten themselves into a Chinese finger-trap. They have a lot of preconceptions about who they’re arguing against, so that gets in the way of rational argument most of the time. You can’t JUST be someone who is against racism and sexism and makes a point of it, you have to be a castrated latte-drinking hipster. You can’t JUST be someone irritated by political correctness, a seeming disparaging of white males and glorification of women and racial minorities, you have to be an overweight asocial incel. And so, more and more of this board degenerates into people who are thinking much too emotionally and criticizing imaginary caricatures of their opponents.

Second, they don’t realize how much they reinforce each other in a loop it’s almost impossible to untangle. Liberals loudly trumpet examples of female and minority success because they want to make all the “dinosaurs” realize women and minorities aren’t inherently inferior and can do great things. However, this is easily interpreted as (and inevitably degenerates to, for a subset of hateful and low-IQ but very loud people) disparaging white men. So some white men, and even some neutral observers, object to this atmosphere. Any person objecting to this atmosphere is lumped in with neo-Nazis and fascists, and/or conceived of as a dinosaur or someone to be stigmatized and not a part of mainstream society. They thus get angrier and radicalize more, causing a subset of the left to get angry and radicalize more, causing THEM to get angry and radicalize more. This gets into layers and layers of hatred, bitterness, and emotional reasoning. Some people point out that a certain atmosphere in leftism alienates young white men, perhaps causing them to rebel against it to assert their masculinity or independence. An angry and mocking portion of the left then responds, “Aw, poor white men, they just hate being told to not be racist and sexist! Sad that the playing field is being leveled out?” This alienates their opposition even further. It’s like the idea in the Tao Te Ching: the more you contend, the more you lose. It’s like children fighting, needing a parent to break them up at a certain point, not caring who started it and not caring who gets in the last blow. It just needs to be stopped.

They should all be put in the gulag.

>>11364557
>ree both sides
the gulag is for you

>>11364557
>muh horseshoe durr

>>11364567
Prime gulag material.

>>11364567
Shut the fuck up.

People arguing about political correctness on 4chan have gotten themselves into a Chinese finger-trap. They have a lot of preconceptions about who they’re arguing against, so that gets in the way of rational argument most of the time. You can’t JUST be someone who is against racism and sexism and makes a point of it, you have to be a castrated latte-drinking hipster. You can’t JUST be someone irritated by political correctness, a seeming disparaging of white males and glorification of women and racial minorities, you have to be an overweight asocial incel. And so, more and more of this board degenerates into people who are thinking much too emotionally and criticizing imaginary caricatures of their opponents.

Second, they don’t realize how much they reinforce each other in a loop it’s almost impossible to untangle. Liberals loudly trumpet examples of female and minority success because they want to make all the “dinosaurs” realize women and minorities aren’t inherently inferior and can do great things. However, this is easily interpreted as (and inevitably degenerates to, for a subset of hateful and low-IQ but very loud people) disparaging white men. So some white men, and even some neutral observers, object to this atmosphere. Any person objecting to this atmosphere is lumped in with neo-Nazis and fascists, and/or conceived of as a dinosaur or someone to be stigmatized and not a part of mainstream society. They thus get angrier and radicalize more, causing a subset of the left to get angry and radicalize more, causing THEM to get angry and radicalize more. This gets into layers and layers of hatred, bitterness, and emotional reasoning. Some people point out that a certain atmosphere in leftism alienates young white men, perhaps causing them to rebel against it to assert their masculinity or independence. An angry and mocking portion of the left then responds, “Aw, poor white men, they just hate being told to not be racist and sexist! Sad that the playing field is being leveled out?” This alienates their opposition even further. It’s like the idea in the Tao Te Ching: the more you contend, the more you lose. It’s like children fighting, needing a parent to break them up at a certain point, not caring who started it and not caring who gets in the last blow. It just needs to be stopped.

They should all be put in the gulag.

P.S. If you respond critically to this post ur a faggot and prime gulag material

>>11364557
nice write-up. as usual, few will appreciate.

>>11364557
where do radical non-materialists fit in. I want a feudalist system ruled by a theocratic code of conduct. INB4 autism

>>11359445
>in public
>conspiratorial

>>11362443
>three of them had immigrated from crostia
I'm gonna guess that this is actually Croatia and I'm not surprised at their racism at all.

tfw you have a meltdown because you saw a black face above a google search

>>11359039
This is such a pathetic post, pol keeps invading and shitting up the rest of this website. Stop thinking with such a linear, primitive mindset. Christ

>>11364678
no, it's a shibboleth to keep out pseuds. You can be a racist intellectual, you can also be a racist retard. You cannot be an anti-racist intellectual, although I suppose you could be an intellectual who doesn't give a fuck about such issues either way.

>>11359536
>the better world we're building
you are destroying global diversity by mixing races into each other, erasing differences between cultures and people by removing their naturally present boundaries, and from the top down too. it its not a better world that has replaced and overwritten first worlders with third worlders. you are motivated by cowardice, a fear that by not doing all this you might be seen as "cruel" or "evil", you are giving into the most basic and meek capitulation under social scrutiny and making the world considerably worse in the process. not only does it not make the world "better", but it doesnt even make the world meeker. european culture will be replaced by the nearest one to it that has not lost its fire, that being Islam, one of the most conservative and "medieval" ideologies that exists. any culture at all that takes on these progressive ideals will open their borders and this culture will be replaced by the nearest to it that has not done so. this cultural trait is fatal, and a memetic dead end, nature (reality) disdains it and will work to remove it where it can. what you are doing is not right, it is not a better world you are building.

>>11364728
cruelty is virtue, basic human empathy is vice
conservatism 101

mmm
retarded thread but at least is high energy

>>11364735
what you are talking about is not morality. its a purely appearance based fear of being evil, not a dedication to doing what is right. your virtue of "empathy" is only an aversion to rational ethical thought, diminishing actual morality into a purely emotional contest between what you feel you "should" do and what you know is right. worse yet, you would accuse the higher thinkers of being unempathetic or "cruel" or evil. you dont care about what is just or right, you only care about what fulfills your short term super ego, and what gives you your sense of moral high ground.

>>11364767
no, that's your strawman doll of anyone who disagrees with you that you take to your bed every night and tell it "I'm not the baddie, right? they're the bad people? tell me!"
and it replies "YOU GOOD! THEY BAD! ME NOT STRAW ME REAL PERSON!"

>>11359536
>the better world we're is building

Liberals can't grammar lmao

>>11364793
stop using a "good guy, bad guy" attitude to ethics, that only exists in fiction and in the minds of the meek, not in reality which is far more complex than that. there are unethical actions but not people who only want to do what is worse from their point of view. the idea of an "evil" person does not exist, there is no-one who intentionally does what is wrong to their understanding, not even you. if you take your head out of your arsehole and see that, you might finally understand why its an incorrect thing to systematically ethnically replace europeans in their homelands. even though speaking up against it is "the bad guy thing", try and understand why it is actually right, and why the world and humanity is not better off for it having happened.

>>11364821
lol, stop using a good guy/bad guy approach and switch to this completely different meek guy/cruel guy dichotomy
fuck off my man

>>11364831
such a thing does exist

>>11364418
>I'd rather hang around plainspoken conservatives than liberal men too weak to express controversial opinions publicly

More than half the country isn't on board with trans rights, or blanket legalization of narcotics, or the establishment of prostitution as a legitimate enterprise, and a lot of other progressive ideas. Hell, a lot of people even get uncomfortable when the idea that cops are sometimes racist, bad people. But you don't count it as brave when someone publicly affirms these beliefs because they don't fit your narrative of "brave speech". Somehow it's braver for a "plainspoken" (solid dog whistle) conservative to say he's not happy that the town's Muslim population is growing, but it's not brave for a progressive to say that descendants of freed slaves deserve some form of reparation to put them on equal ground.

It's just because you think what they're saying is dumb, so you won't attach a judgment of bravery to it.

>>11364697
Most racists are retards because racism is one of the most tribalistic tendencies of any person. Go to the worst parts of Africa or Asia. Everyone there is a complete fucking racist, to an even greater extent to poltards. If you are unable to think outside of sweeping generalizations, racism will be a great fit for you. If you have the basic intelligence to recognize that judging others based on arbitrary factors is inefficient and too simple to work, then congrats.

It's pretty obvious it's because she's a black woman. It's for PR.

I don't understand how one single image without almost any content triggered such a shitstorm

>>11364590
Identity politics really is herd morality taken to its absolute apex. Fuck, it's impossible to constructively criticize ANYTHING this way, since everything is "just part of who you are".

>>11364881
because utopian progressives turned up in the thread and declared 99.99% of gentile cultural history to be evil, and stated that any differences at all that might potentially lead to one group having power over another must be removed. thereby invoking the deception that it is right or "better" to deface everything of value in this world in the fear that it might one day be accused of being cruel or lacking empathy.

>>11362429
get new friends

>>11364836
>such a thing does exist

Not him, but you're literally exchanging slave morality for a system where you get to attempt to be the one on top. You're masquerading as someone prepared to engage in genuine ethical thought, but what you're really trying to do is develop an elaborate justification for a system of selfishness.

Ethics is that branch of philosophy which is concerned with developing moral systems that dictate or describe right and wrong conducts. There we have a dichotomy, right and wrong, the former being positive and the latter being negative. When describing something positive, good is one of the first words that come to mind; ditto with bad for describing negative things. So in an ethical discussion, depnding on how it's framed, "good and bad" are essentially interchangeable with "right and wrong". If you reject the premise of "right and wrong" then you're no longer in the realm of ethics and any discussion you engage in is over becuase you won't even come to the table.

So when forming ethical judgements of people, it is completely natural and proper to characterize those who consistently perform right ethical action as "positive moral actors (good)" and those who consistently perform wrong ethical action as "negative moral actors (bad)". From this stems the idea of "good vs. bad" in these discussions, as right and wrong action are opposed to each other in an ethical realist perspective (again if we're not talking about ethical realism, then we're not talking at all becuase you've stepped out of the arena).

Now, if you are engaging with the idea that people aim for their own personal good and the fact that their good may negatively affect others is of little consequeence, and there is no overarching "Good" to judgepeople against, then you're talking about egoism. Egoism has a host of problems associated with it, and every ethicist I've ever spoken to about it has roundly condemned it as a moral philosphy. One of the biggest worries is that it's self-deafeating; meaning that the promotion of individual goods will ultiamtely lead to a wrose outcome for everyone including the actor. Additionally it forces you to bite certain bullets such as "it is perfectly acceptable and just that Samurai in Edo japantraditionally tested new swords on the first peasant who crossed their path after receiving them" among thousands of others. Plus, it kinda misses the entire point of ethics as a field by dodging the is/ought problem, becuase you can't really give a meaningful reason or justification for any practice or feature of the world if your moral conception revolves around individual self-advancement.

Should I read her or not
Where to start?

>>11364930
>One of the biggest worries is that it's self-deafeating; meaning that the promotion of individual goods will ultiamtely lead to a wrose outcome for everyone including the actor.
This is a pretty big problem though - what dictates a "worst outcome", and how do you know a priori that there'll be a worst outcome at all?

>>11364930
>If you reject the premise of "right and wrong" then you're no longer in the realm of ethics
i reject something that uses those terms in order to masquerade as morality. not those actual ideas themselves, i fully recognise that unethical and ethical action exists.
>good and bad people
no-one does what is wrong to their definition, what you are describing is people who serve different goals to yourself, as you put it, selfishness, or in the most common modern example, ethnocentrism. which is a very reasonable point to make, if this selfishness benefits few to the detriment of many then it can hardly be called just or good. however in order for it to really be "better" as the anon earlier so controversially put it, it would need to be something more than merely an opposite of ethnocentrism. progressivism as an ideology is built on the opposite of this "evil" selfishness (which is why it is only meek and does not reach the heights of being really good as it claims to) not on an intention to benefit humanity at large. it is not beneficial to humanity at large to take the most lowly and least able groups and place them over the most able. that is why it is not right. yet it does certainly appear to be kind, and appear to be empathetic, the point that reactionaries make is that the appearance of meekness matters a whole lot less than actual goodness.

>>11364945
"Worst outcome" in this case involves well-being, which is obviously another can of worms but let's just talk about it intuitively to be concise. The concern is that if all actors in a world with finite resources seek to gain a bigger and bigger piece of the pie for themselves, consumption will become a runaway factor and eventually all that'll be left is a desert full of dying assholes. But that's long-term, not exactly egoism's thing. In the short term there's a fear that egoism will necessarily damage you community standing, which tends to be something humans need. So the egoist can try to annex that worry by saying "okay, then the egoist thing to do is be altruistic, kind, generous, and loving because it'll work out better for me", which is fine and not easily assailable. But at that point you're just doing what a good person on another moral system would do so egoism starts to look pretty post-hoc. Plus, there's certain je ne sais quoi to acting morally well in these ways that isn't encapsulated by self-interest, so the need for a more inclusive theory arises.

>>11364963
>no-one does what is wrong to their definition

>>11364849
But the post that got your panties in such a twist explicitly acknowledges that there exist exceptions to generalizations; in fact, it's the entire point of the post

>>11364849
>underdeveloped shitholes are filled with prejudice and weird superstition

thank you, finally some points it, poltards are the superstitious tribals in the interior of america

>>11364358
>America belongs to Amerindians
amerindians lost their land to europeans

>>11365023
the europeans were fleeing persecution in europe, if a little bit of gang violence is enough to allow all of central america to flood across the border then persecution in europe is also valid

>>11364963
>no-one does what is wrong to their definition
I wish this were true, but it's far more complicated than that. Often people are hardly aware of their actions as they commit them, then later realize on reflection that they did not live up to their moral standards.
>most common modern example, ethnocentrism
Selfishness is a lot more common and run-of-the-mill than working to form an ethnically or racially homogenous state.
>it would need to be something more than merely an opposite of ethnocentrism
That's you perspective talking. Think of it this way: certain ethical actions are directly opposed to one another. To commit a rape is directly opposed, morally, to not committing or stopping a rape. These sort of two-pronged judgments exist all around us in various forms. Now, and here's where things will get hairy for this discussion, racism is morally wrong. Philosophy has been quite clear on this so we've got a solid 300 years of academic thought to back this conclusion up (ie not "modern or postmodern" or even political at all). So by quite a long division concerning action with respect to race, we can arrive at two categories; namely, those actions regarding race motivated by ideas of racial superiority and those actions regarding race not motivated by notions of racial superiority. So if the actions motivated by racial superiority are bad, ethically, then the good category of action concerning race is the one not motivated by notions of racial superiority.

Now, you may argue that racial purity and racial superiority are not necessarily linked and that I'm painting false images. But then I would ask, what is your motivation in arguing for racial separation? Is it simply aesthetic? Probably not. So you really believe that there is some fundamental difference between people of different ethnicities, yet you make no value judgments about them and simply think they shouldn't mix or indeed can't without conflict. But then we get back to the why question because besides attributes like skin color or height what features might they have that you would find so unrelatable that they should have their own country?

>>11358975
literally who?
but wait he is a nigger, gotta provide support
you go my fellow black dude!

>>11365023
>>11365029
Trying to resolve even everyday problems with "reason" or "logic", which is to say basically dialectics, is patently absurd, so why are you trying to solve problems of sovereignity and entitlement this way?

>>11364936
www.ieas. unideb.hu/admin/file_10011.pdf

With this story.

https://www.unl.. edu/english/docs/englishweek17/engl200-speechsounds.pdf

Or this one.

>>11365042
>Trying to resolve even everyday problems with "reason" or "logic", which is to say basically dialectics, is patently absurd

What're you takin some kinda Hume angle here? Becuase otherwise I don't see your point

>>11365079
Yeah, of course.

>>11365032
>I wish this were true, but it's far more complicated than that. Often people are hardly aware of their actions as they commit them, then later realize on reflection that they did not live up to their moral standards.
people have less free will than you think.
>racism is morally wrong. Philosophy has been quite clear on this so we've got a solid 300 years of academic thought to back this conclusion up
xenophobia, being a tendency to prefer ones own and the logical negative this implies is a naturally occurring cultural trait that facilitates diversity and variation of humans on this planet. it is not morally wrong and the vast majority of humans have held ethnocentric or patriotic views "it is a sweet and seemly thing to die for your country", a world without this thing known as xenophobia is a considerably worse one.
>the opposite of the thing commonly accused of being evil, must be the thing we can call good
thats not how logic works but i'd be willing to discuss it if you can persuade me. start by defining evil for me (hint, i mentioned power of others earlier)
>why do people like diversity
im not sure but the misuse of it as a buzzword by the left as an admission that the majority of people do value it
>why do i personally like diversity
because i like to learn from multiple different cultures, most people dont do this but some individuals do. as much as there are a limited number of strands of DNA, there is also a limited amount of storage space within cultural memory, a mono world culture will be one with far less content and far less wisdom to learn from.
>superiority and inferiority
i understand your want to find a definition of morally good racial theory here (as the want to ignore any acknowledgement of race is naive wishful thinking that im glad you havent fallen into) however to ignore the idea of superior/inferior is either to ignore the idea of quality, or to ignore the idea of difference. the first, is degenerate and requires defacing a cultures deeply important values that exist for a very necessary reason or never being consistently honest with those values so as to never acknowledge it. the second is irrational as there are many differences that do certainly exist, some visually apparent, some physically measurable, others psychological, and differences in terms of outcome, culture, tendency and any kind of placement at all. im sorry but to ignore any idea of superior or inferior is to only ignore something because it is uncomfortable. yes, some of the most terrible atrocities have been committed in the idea of racial superiority (i wonder who im talking about), yet that does not mean that the opposite of these ideas, self inferiority or a refusal to admit measures at all, is what we can call the only good thing.

P.S. im really very fond of talking about this with you and i would like to continue, though i might stop responding for a bit as i have to pop out but ill be back for sure.

>>11361939
>Tyson: "Gods not real"
>cums in pantaloons

instead of defending Google and their overpaid department whose job is solely to sniff out and celebrate non-white achievement (even though few people actually go to the google homepage anymore since they use phones and browsers with native google search built in), can someone list their favorite Butler books/short stories that are worth reading?

>>11365097
>people have less free will than you think.
Yeah, we're just gonna disagree on this and it's too massive a topic to treat as an aside. Suffice to say that I generally fall in line with Boethius Epicurus.
>Define evil
For the purposes of this discussion, I'm keeping things as un-mystical and grounded as possible in order to communicate for clearly. In this case "evil" is a bit of a loaded term, I'm simply using "bad" to describe those moral actions which are not "good", strictly referring to the ethical concept of right and wrong moral action. "Evil" is rather theologically packed with meaning and can be very distracting in this conversations. So "bad" is quite literally the opposite of "good", and in cases of a moral dilemma (two-pronged problems), it is the duty of ethics to determine whether an action is good or bad. And if the actions are exactly opposite, then their goodness and badness will be too.
>A world without xenophobia is a considerably worse one.
Now this is a pessimistic assumption, and one certainly not supported by history. While it is of course completely prudent not to let strangers into your home, so to speak, without first learning more about them, closing your doors to them is just as foolish. Think back to those various periods of isolationism that historic empires have engaged in, specially in the East. They have, as far back as BCE China, resulted in stunted economic and intellectual growth as well as ineffective governance. Inevitability these policies are overturned, and always to the nation's benefit. We saw this in fairly recent history when Japan was forced to open its borders by the US. During that time the nation was in a constant state of political turmoil, with capital and leadership changes happening again and again. Once they opened their borders, they quickly became a force to be reckoned with on the world stage and are now one of the planet's largest economies. And think of the original reason they closed their borders, Christian missionaries. The government feared the ingress of another culture into theirs, so they shut it down and slaughtered the Christians who remained to preserve Shintoism. But look today, both Christianity and Shintoism coexist in Japan, with neither damaging the other and no lives lost. More recently, let's examine the genocide of the Armenians by the Turks, a xenophobically motivated act resulting in the suffering and deaths of over a million people who wanted none of it. Or in the case of the Hutu and Tutsi people of Rwanda, who were taught by the Dutch to fear each other and eventually lashed out to make Rwanda a pure home for the surviving group. These are accidents of hourly proof, and we ought to learn from them that peace and cooperation prevail and make suffering look pointless.

>>11365059
> It amazes me that some people have seen “Bloodchild” as a story of slavery

>>11365097
>>11365239
>Diversity
I'm glad you see wisdom in other cultures. After all, we all have different historical and individual backgrounds and we owe it to each other to be honest and generous with the thought that entails. The capacity for expanded knowledge alone makes it worth valuing (as we value knowledge).
>Ignoring the idea of quality
Certainly not, a world without quality would be a fundamentally dead one. Rather my argument here is that based on information and belief, the differences between races are truly "skin-deep". This again is an area of discussion frought with hazard, but broadly speaking there is little to no scientific or philosophical support for the idea that a non-white person's race should go in the "con" column of their genetic makeup. The same alleles determine human melination regardless of race, and the smae genes dictate the rest of our features as well. The prevailing belief among scientists is that they look different, the same way a black jaguar and a spotted jaguar are simply two color schemes of the same cat. Other differences seem broadly to be cultural and social in origin, meaning that any person of any race raised in a given environment is very liekly to turn out a certain way. Other variations can by familial heredity rather than something speciative in nature. So the quality distinction is either not suitable for broad application or is aesthetic, and not many poeple would oppose you for saying you don't find black people or whoever else attractive to look at. But that's essentially a harmless personal claim. Refusal of measures would of course be misguided. But applying those measures generally and heuristically based on what amounts to a single attribute of the millions that make up an individual is reductive, dehumanizing, and harmful to civilization as a whole (see isolationist society troubles). Shitty people exist, and we shouldn't pretend they don't. But shitty people are also individuals, and they come from everywhere.

>>11365239
>bad and good action
you used the word evil for the character trait of tendency for bad action, if you think these character traits can exist (i dont) defining those might help.
>stunted economic and intellectual growth as well as ineffective governance
purely "selfish" and small scale national consequences, i thought we agreed that morality is defined by the majority, not by any one nation or anything like that. tell me about why the world would be worse off, not just a nation. also reactionaries and anti-immigration advocates dont want complete isolationism, just a healthy insurance on the future those who are native (there is a definition of this word) there, like that of modern japan not historical isolationist japan. (USA and australia are different topics and imo less important so not for this discussion). i would call your claim of detrimental cultural effects into question as i think its not entirely true but thats also not for this discussion as neither side wants this.
>christianity
christianity and islam are conversion based religions, they canonically deny the validity of other religions and worse yet, do canonically claim that these other faiths are in fact praying to their abrahamic devil. shinto will never try and convert christians as its their goal, want or in the nature at all. though the conversionist aspect of christianity is a lot less extreme now, it is still slightly present and will eventually overcome the nonexistent counterforce there. the buddhist attitude to conversion is a far more noble one and often allows itself to be assimilated into local religions it reaches rather than try and destroy them (irminsul, oak of britain etc). similar thing with islam and hindus in india. i believe that these days it isnt even seen as an official task to convert people as it can cause strife with a person and their country/family/identity.

>>11365288
>non-white
dont make this a white thing, you know east asians are more intelligent and have greater histories of civilisation and technology. explain to me why the world is better having replaced all koreans with less competent people
>skin deep
mirror test, IQ by race within country/language/culture/income/social class, general "advancement". native australians have a lower average IQ in their first world country with all their gibs and first world education than black africans in the savannah. how could that be true if there were zero psychological differences. when there are so many physical differences, why would you insistently deny there to be psychological differences too when the brain is a far more complex organ than anything else in the body. i know its comfortable but its simply not well informed to say what you said there

>>11365307
>you used the word evil for the character trait of tendency for bad action
It's a heuristic distinction as well as a philosophical one. On an Aristotelian view one must not be divorced from their actions, so the one who does evil is evil. In everyday terms it's useful to be able to point at people and say they're evil because they do bad things.
>healthy insurance on the future for those who are native
Insurance of national racial purity? That was never anyone's right, and why it should fall to the state to provide that right is a large-looming question. But this is all falling in toward the central disagreement.
>Proselytizing religions
Yes this used to be the case, but isn't anymore. Regardless in the case of the Japanese it wasn't the case that they were being coerced into accepting the faith. But people started listening to the missionaries and the government reacted rashly and violently.
>East Asians are more intelligent
This is entirely individual, like any variation between humans. I've known some very, very stupid Asian people, and also stupid people from every other race. The point is that skin color is not a reliable predictor of intelligence in any way shape or form. The literature is clear on this. If you think East Asians are smarter, they will disappoint you. If you think black people are dumber, they will impress you. My point, and the point that advocates for equality try to advance, is individuals should be judged, not groups. Your premise that there are numerous physical differences is, flatly, wrong. There are variations in features between individuals of every race, and asserting that skin color is closely related to intelligence flies in the face of our understanding of genetics and holds exactly as much water as claiming that people with curly blonde hair are ten times more likely to have well-developed fast-twitch muscle fibers.

>>11365322
>dont make this a white thing, you know east asians are more intelligent and have greater histories of civilisation and technology
kek. Asians have higher IQ, but drastically less creativity, which makes them worthless in terms of inventing anything new scientifically or culturally, which is why they haven't achieved anything since the metaphorical Tang dynasty

>>11365379
>no right to racial existence
>right
nice spook, ask if it is right and see that the answer is yes
>black people impress often, east asians dissapoint often
that really isnt true
>there are no differences beyond the physical
that simply isnt true too, there are a great many and a lot of them pretty much irrefutable. even if you consider it to be "racist" information, you should still see it, if you dont then you cant call yourself the openminded one.

>>11365408
asians are almost the anti-blacks in that they have the ability for logic but no ability whatsoever for passion, whereas blacks are all passion but no logic. Since scientific and cultural discovery requires following logic(science)/established form(culture) up to a weak point and then breaking off from it to form your own logic chain, there is some degree of masculine/emotive impulse required to be truly successful. This is why whites are a happy medium.

>>11365481
lol how can anyone read this and think "yeah that sounds about right"

>>11365481
idk dude they have some pretty inspiring cultural elements and philosophies imo but i know what you mean

>>11365481
>whites have higher IQ than blacks
“Haha, those stupid niggers!”
>Asians have higher IQ than whites
“B-but yellow people don’t have p-passion!”

>>11365566
well he is saying that blacks have more passion than whites so it isnt actually inconsistent

this division into 'passion' and 'logic' seems kind of like bullshit to me though

>>11365566
It's true though. IQ is important, but so is creativity and individuality. Asians are insects

>>11358975
One of the strongest arguments against Affirmative Action and And It's Wonderful jernullizm is what you see here: real black accomplishment put into doubt, not by racists, but by anti-racists.

>>11365481
>Asians have no passion

Please read some Asian literature, like Japanese love suicide dramas, Chinese action and adventure novels, Indian tantric poetry.

That Asian culture has no “emotive impulse” is an inaccurate claim. The Indians, for example, structures their dramas around evoking as many emotions as possible (called rasas), unlike Western plays, which generally tend to aim for a more consistent tone.

>>11359039
>The amount of seething egalitarians replying to this post
Yeah I'm thinking he struck a nerve

>>11364849
>Tribalism is inherently evil and stupid

>>11359536
Nigga, you gay.

>>11366030
>Triggered by manchildren, political manchildren, and virgin manchildren

How ever will they recover?

>>11366489
That meme post strikes a nerve everytime it's posted lmao

>>11359039
Unless they lean in anyway to the right. BASED FUCKING BLACK MEN

>>11366075
Globalization is the only way forward for genuine human and technological progress. The alternative is the cave/ If nationalism prevails as the driving force of the 21st century, you can kiss goodbye everything from space travel to disease cures. Oh, but ever nation's version of visionless hinterland goobers will have rock-breaking busywork for the next few years. So, worth it? There is forward and backward. Superior future and inferior past. The evolved and the intelligent vs the ignorant small minded. And it's all so pointless. Even if the west descends into nationalism and retreat from human progress, it'll just mean China and a surging Asia will overwhelm them economical and intellectually.
Conservatism/Nationalism is vile, ignorant and obsolete even when "nice" about it. The ones who aren't full-Nazis simply aren't committed enough -yet.

>>11366525
> nationalism is a dead end for space travel / tech progress

what? did u think that through bro? the whole reason we even got as far as the moon is because of a competition between the two dominant nation states, moreover, all the progress in private space travel is being pioneering by billionaires who made their fortunes in the untied states, i don't see any faggy european rich guys pushing humanity forward

>>11366525
Nah it'll just turn into the global gibs express trying to get inferior nations to a non shitty level which can take centuries. While actual decent countries stagnate because of this. MAYBE hundreds of years from now itll happen.

>>11366525
Imagine actually drinking the neoliberal koolaid this hard. Holy hell. This post reads like a comment from the fucking NYT.

>>11366577
Bottom line, and no one wants to hear this: not everyone gets to "win", even if you aren't the "bad guy". Globalism is, point of fact, a superior way forward into a better future for a better world. But yeah, it was going to leave those who coundln't wouldn't evolve with it behind. And that left a lot of people angry, and in that anger, they gave into a darkness that was always within them and likely the REASON they were unable to evolve, socially, in the first place. PLENTY of people hurt by class-ism DON'T become racist shit heels, and sometimes "elites" are the god guys.

>>11366611
Keep licking those corporate boots lmao.

>>11359039
>>11359368
>Two monkeys throw shit at eachother

>>11359450
It actually is though

>>11366577
>nytimes comments

yo i was just cringing at one on that op-ed about suicide rates, it said some shit like " shapers of modern thought from marx to nietzsche to freud to sartre to dawkins deny the existence of anything transcendent or spiritual" i'm like yo u mother fucker try actually reading nietzsche u pseud piece of shit, the rest of the comments are about depressed old baby boomers who are considering suicide because they can no longer get middle class jobs with nothing but a high school diploma and white privilege, yet all claim to be woke on immigration and racism and feminism, except trannies, nytimes boomers had trannies for some reason

>>11366525
>Rhetoric the post

>>11366611
do u not realize china is nationalist af? clearly you are just a western civ hater because you're like "well even if the west doesn't become a globalized utopia chinese nationalists will kick all our asses!" so clearly you don't care about "other" nationalists succeeding so much as western nations failing, something tells me you were not raised to value the teaching of our lord and savior jesus christ ax me how i know

>>11359039
For a moment, let's take for granted the assertion that all your supremacist convictions about black people having lower IQs than you is true.

Let's take for granted that "liberals" and those further left than that are trying to put the blacks on a pedastal, as it were, to change their social standing for the better.

Why does it concern you so much? There are so many other instances of society writ large ignoring factual truths in favor of social stability and consolidating power and this is the one which seems to concern you?

Nonetheless, the direct consequence of this sort of "covering up" of the "truth about them" as it were results in an increase in good will and the well-being of a people previously subjugated for hundreds of years. Get over it.

This argument doesn't even need to be put forth, at any rate, because you're just lying and your IQ is certainly in the double digits. :-)

>>11366636
>>11366640
Especially since, when I DO look past my own self-interest, what I see first are the morally-righteous net-positives of globalism: An increased secular social-liberalism that's made life immeasurably better for my gay, queer, transgender, etc, friends. A decreased power-base for white supremacy (in the form of white-as-default societal view) and increased opportunities for women to attain political, social and market power. A more diverse, interesting, enriching community to live in. If it's already easy for a "liberal coastal elitist" like me to casually dismiss the anti-globalist concerns of "Flyover Country," it gets even EASIER when you can point to people who've historically had to endure much, much worse than a downtick in local blue-collar factory jobs who're benefiting and say "No, you're demonstrably wrong, the way things are going is good because look at how much it's helping all of these worthy, awesome people." And in terms of broad cultural narrative, well... angry white guys versus marginalized women, LGBTQ folks, people of color, disabled persons, etc? Guess who's going to come off like the villain there even if they don't personally think themselves to be. Yeah, exactly.

>>11366649
ya i feel u but encouraging black criminality for the sake of equal outcomes in sentences stats or something isn't really helping anybody, letting violet thugs terrorize the black community for fear of having them be "overrepresented" in prison isn't making anything stable

>>11361939
what were you doing in the prime of your life?

>>11361902
>>11361925
what a fucking goon

>>11366655
but if all the global talent is concentrated in a couple major world cities that doesn't actually help anyone, all that's going to happen is we go back to city states like rome and byzantium, sf and nyc already have their own law enforcement policies diverging from the federal government, and since 9/11 they have a lot of military hardware, pretty much everything short of an airforce (i still dont think nypd has helicopters, cant remember ever seeing one) and all the global talent and capital is being concentrated into these winner take all silos, meanwhile the rest of the world is declining, sure poverty is dropping in china and india to a certain extent, but hong kong and shanghai are just becoming even more elite and unreachable, this kind of "let's take in the most talent 1% of every identity group and make them rich" like some kind of capitalist noah's ark is fucking reactionary in the extreme

>>11366649
>Why does it concern you so much? There are so many other instances of society writ large ignoring factual truths in favor of social stability and consolidating power and this is the one which seems to concern you?
1. It's not fair to assume that's the only example he hates. Anon could easily be agains the society of the spectacle at large, which is perfectly valid
2. Leaving inferior genes to be dispersed into the gene pool, if such a hypothetical were true, is obviously something to be concerned about.
You think you're some great socratic thinker, but this whole spaced post just reeks of logic to find an answer you wanted.

>Nonetheless, the direct consequence of this sort of "covering up" of the "truth about them" as it were results in an increase in good will and the well-being of a people previously subjugated for hundreds of years. Get over it.
There are other ways to do it and anon may just think using lying and idolizing is unsustainable. After all, he was pushed to hating those people. Also using quotes when you've already established your working from a hypothetical is seriously bad form.

I'm not even a racist. You're just dumb

>>11366030
i love how you all construct these absurd strawman, i'm a total sjw cuck numale but i've been here since '05

every year people try to pin shit they don't like on newfags but the truth is newfags are always gonna have a diverse set of opinions

you dumb as hell for posting this, and no, not because it strucka da nerve, which is just a convenient narrative for you

>>11365039
she*

>>11364590
u smart big boi

i like u
pls effort post more

>>11366688
lol get a load of this dude he actually reads effort posts from uptight faggots lol

unless u were being ironic in that case carry on

>>11358975
>>11364590

All struggles
Are essentially
Power struggles.
Who will rule,
Who will lead,
Who will define,
refine,
confine,
design,
Who will dominate.
All struggles
Are essentially
Power struggles,
And most
are no more intellectual
than two rams
knocking their heads together.

Octavia E. Butler

>>11366692
dude was right

u wrong

>>11364358
>>11364369
Overall, the Pox has had the effect of an installment-plan World War III. In fact, there were several small, bloody shooting wars going on around the world during the Pox. These were stupid affairs—wastes of life and treasure. They were fought, ostensibly, to defend against vicious foreign enemies. All too often, they were actually fought because inadequate leaders did not know what else to do. Such leaders knew that they could depend on fear, suspicion, hatred, need, and greed to arouse patriotic support for war.
Amid all this, somehow, the United States of America suffered a major, nonmilitary defeat. It lost no important war, yet it did not survive the Pox. Perhaps it simply lost sight of what it once intended to be, then blundered aimlessly until it exhausted itself.

Octavia E Butler

>>11364338
>>11365102
All religions are ultimately cargo cults.
Adherents perform required rituals, follow
specific rules, and expect to be supernaturally
gifted with desired rewards—long life,
honor, wisdom, children, good health, wealth,
victory over opponents, immortality after
death, any desired rewards.

Octavia E Butler

>>11366702
ya but anybody can be "right" if they write a long ass nuanced, careful and sensitive effort post, the 4chan dialectic is to "fail often and fail fast" and "move fast and break things" to match the techbro zeitgeist and then after wasting years of your life doing that maybe you got a new idea or something

>>11359006
based

>>11366722
damn... What if religion....

...was bad?

never thought of it that way before... I have a lot of thinking to do...

>>11366735
nigga u for real? my sides

>>11366722
Is this supposed to be insightful?

>>11358975
I creamed my pjs when I saw this! I still have a hard on.

>>11366724
shut up weak bitch

>>11366772
ask her dummy

>>11366525
>There is forward and backward. Superior future and inferior past
fucking hell
>globalisation is the only way forward
why on earth do you think that spending so much time providing gibs to violent third worlders in their own countries and in first world ones will somehow be better for these great next steps of humanity.
why on earth do you think that globalism is the default next step and that westerners are special for considering not adopting it? no-one else is doing this dumb thing right now, its only us, we are unnusual for buying into it. a globalist country cannot out compete a non-globalist one, its complete nonsense to claim that it can. if they can put only the best for the job in higher positions instead of one trans, one black, one plus size, etc, how do you expect them to underperform like this. there are good arguments from your point of view but that simply isnt one of them

>>11359413
The projection runs deep in this one.

>>11366722
>he doesn't know about METIS
aeon.co/ideas/whence-comes-nihilism-the-uncanniest-of-all-guests

>>11366684
>thats a sheboon
fuckin lol

>>11365023
The same as europe will be stolen from eurangutans.

>>11365029
Of course, yet he is a weak eurangutan who will get extinct'd soon so who cares really

>>11366525
globalism is the death of science and "progress" as we used to think about it. One world culture = extreme drop in creativity and thinking styles = painfully slow tech advances. There's a reason essentially nothing groundbreaking has happened in science since the 70's.

>>11366655
Kek this comes off as sinister in a bizzarro way.