/lit/ - Literature

>>11354760
She’s a chick lit writer.

She has a point about some of the cliches. But her own stuff is pretty lightweight.

>>11354760
That was a really nice read.

ty op

>>11354760
>The stories were pretentious, but their worst crime, you realized, was that they were boring

>>11354760
The type she's writing about is present and obnoxious in every writing workshop though. The consistency with which he shows up is remarkable.

Are you really this mad about getting called out?

>>11354772
At least she's honest and seems to know what she's doing. She never makes the case that she's profound but this type of guy isn't, just that he's dishonest and pretentious.

Based, will definitely be buying a hardcover of her book, thanks OP!

I like how she's right in making fun of the cliche that she is, but then at the end reveals herself to be a cliche all the same. Truly brilliant

>>11354760
But that's utterly correct, boomer burger lit is cancer (Hemingway is somewhat decent if one pretends he was exclusively a short stories writer).

Probably the only thing the guy did wrong was being sexist enough to talk about a book which she didn't read yet and say something what she didn't like.
I don't even feel the need to bother with women anymore.

>>11354760

>There isn’t enough to do on the Internet. It’s 11 p.m. and you’ve already seen all of the Aziz Ansari stand-up specials that are freely available on YouTube. You’ve refreshed BuzzFeed and refreshed BuzzFeed again and scrolled so far down their site the quizzes have become nonsensical (“Which 90210 Character Are You Based on Your Favorite Kinds of Sandwich?“)

This is why I choose drugs.

>>11354991

Dude, what the fuck are you even on about?

The redpill is that girls love toxic masculinity, and despise nice, sweet guys who advertise themselves as "allies" or whatever.

>>11354902
Still she complains about sensitive young white males not being interesting to her, while not recognizing that tales of roasty life might not be all that interesting to sensitive white males.

>>11354760
Fits the local critique threads as well.

Nothing is more banal in the experiences of the marginalize. The condition of being oppressed doesn't necessarily provide an author with any real depth or meaning, but as long as intersectionality is the dominant paradigm for understanding these things, the establishment will treat it as if it does.

>>11355043

>There are only 2 types of people

hmm...

>Lonely white men is a cliche
>Late twenties, early thrities jewish woman in New York isn't

Americans are so dull

>>11354760
>There is nothing profound about not deciding to name a main character.

>>11355074
>The condition of being oppressed doesn't necessarily provide an author with any real depth or meaning,
Tell that to all the /r9k/ crossboarders who begin threads like ANY BOOK THAT CAPTURES THE PLIGHT OF 21ST CENTURY INCEL REC ad nauseam.

>>11355087
>Late twenties, early thrities jewish woman in New York who's obsessed with social media

Time to dig up that 'lit-bro' story from years ago.

>>11355092
I searched the catalog, then the archive but found nobody to tell this to

>>11355059
She, a Jewish woman, specifically targets white writers. It's fucking pathetic, and the hypocrisy is clear to anyone who hasn't been consumed by SJWism.

Pic related. Dozens of tweets attacking white people, with the promise that she too is white so no problems right? Then the usual tactic of evading white guilt by explaining that she is in fact Jewish-White, not Evil / Cringeworthy / Pathetic-W.hite

>>11354760
>The stories were pretentious, but their worst crime, you realized, was that they were boring.
*looks up Dana Schwartz*
Literally a magical pixie dream girl with internet depression.
The memes write themselves

>>11354760
She’s right, even if she herself is filled with resentment and not a stellar writer by any means.

>>11354991
>identifies with the strawman

>>11355121

This is a question coming from a place of genuine curiosity.

Why do you spend time writing posts about american identity politics on a literature forum? If you want to circlejerk, /pol/ can do that just fine.

>>11355043
this but unironically

>>11355092
They aren't officially classified as oppressed by those qualified to do so. Makes them irrelevant to this conversation, desu.

>>11355151
Because it relates to literature.

>>11355178
>racism against whites isn't racism
>oppression against incels isn't oppression

>Those boys are always on the stairs of the Rock, reclining back with one foot kicked up behind him so his body is straight and at as a board, forming the hypotenuse of a right triangle between the ground and the building.

vomited everywhere

>>11355153
>I like your blonde streaks
lmao

Bad writing, but she's right.

>>11355200

>Because it relates to literature.

Tangentially, but you're not interested in discussing the literary aspect of it, are you? You're interested in discussing SJWism, race, jews and identity politics. At least that's what your post was about. Wasn't anything about literature in it. It seems pretty incidental that literature is the vehicle used to talk about identity politics.

Holy shit... it's a Rumpus EXCLUSIVE? NYT's not getting their hands on this scoop. Those bigtime magazines got the rug pulled out from under them, they'll have to settle for reporting on the Sackler empire and the devastation of Californian wildfires or whatever. Very brave of Dana Scwarhs to write a book (this article is an EXCERPT from her FULL - LENGTH - BOOK) about slightly irksome comments from a 23-year old virgin-by-manner dipshit figment of her imagination she combined from various sources (mostly online) + TWO personal real life experiences. She bravely curated thousands of these comments she made up for years on twitter, brave and strongly larped while oppressive black body ignorin MSM covered the Cincinnati heroin epidemic. however, she does deserve commendation for instinctively characterizing the object of her loathing as a gay effete faggot cunt, women like Dana Shwars should say a little thank you prayer to their womb every night at bedtime for being the most effective organ of judgment in their body, if she took one too many morning after pills after a salary negotiation her tubes would probably take the day off and she'd walk right into traffic). if you scroll down a bit on her roleplay twitter you can see her retweeting her real twitter advertising she's freelancing and her skills are "witty takes on anything", then you scroll back up and you get the gem "I drink like Hemingway because I'm so smart and good at writing", literally "I'm so X", the archetypical playground style of imitation, exactly the level of parody and comprehension of human nature you'd expect from Schwarrs. while her character does not successfully capture a specific type of writer in any revealing way, Swart herself does, a psychotic online iteration of the congested social conditions apparent for example in midwestern tweakers, west coast homeless entrepreneurs, literal Patrick Batemen of the north-east, conservative mexicans, etc, in her way she contributes to the beautiful mosaic of the modern collective via its main form and the one to which her gnat-scale soul and expression is suited (not writing), the constant social media stream of sewage. A Rumpus Exclusive... damn

>>11354760
>Why would someone volunteer to express this degree of resentment?

Money

>>11355153
the return of the blackpill

>>11355318
big fan of this post

>>11355318
Good shit good shit that's some good shit right there right there

>>11354990
Under what definition is Hemingway a boomer you absolute retard

>>11355318
severely underrated post

>>11355953
This is nowhere implied in my post, learn to read.

>>11355318
undeniably based, your honour.

>>11355043
Girls that go for that stuff aren't worth your time anyway

>>11355153
Ugh all women just want one thing; so disgusting!

>I went to Brown by the way.

>>11354760
She's not wrong, MFA-core is universally terrible. But it's not just limited to white guys. See: writing featuring characters who doesn't fit in at an elite university/job/city because they were poor/an immigrant/non-white/a woman.

>>11355318
Tryhard and bitter.

>>11356300
Simple and funny.

>>11355153
>drown on with a marker

>>11354990
Hemingway had, at minimum, 3 great novels. The Sun Also Rises, A Farewell to Arms, and The Old Man and the Sea.

>>11354760
>the women become girls after they’ve been fucked
Haha this bitch is just mad she isn't getting any dick

>>11354760
Why did this excerpt annoy me so much? Is the author trying to make me feel like she's smarter than i think she is?

Imagine a world where women aren't allowed to speak in public.

>>11354760
https://twitter.com/guyinyourmfa
The actual tweets are better than the article although it's weird to see her satirically shilling their books on a parody account.

>>11354760
imagine being this mad lol

>>11355261
He has a fair point.

All that woman is doing is baiting and plain bandwagon hopping. She deserves no attention from anyone on this board. Shame on you for not seeing a pathetic lunatic for what she is.

>>11354760
It’s kind of funny.

But, her immense pride that she tries and fails to cover up with false modesty is pretty pitiful. You made a trendy twitter account, that’s it. Furthermore, most people in general write shitty stories. The majority of the girls I my writing program also wrote the reverse of those stories, ones about getting cheated o and revenging themselves on the ex-boyfriend, finding someone newer and better who makes them happier. Most people are not very creative.

I’ve found the reason is that most only pretend to have read the literary classics they do often refer to, I have caught many people in outright contradictions when discussing major works of literature. You just smile and pretend you don’t notice, almost everyone bar a handful of people are complete dilettantes, I’d say as high as 70-80%.

>>11355318
certified /lit/

>>11355318
Hahaha

>>11355318
based

>>11356416
Imagine a world without advertising, the Jews and women lose all their power

>>11356560
Soon.

>>11355318

>>11355120
do you know what's hyperbole my dude or 3+ syllabe words haven't reached /r9k/ yet?

>>11356619
based cloakmaster

>>11355153
Disgustingly vain

>>11354760
What she said was true. Being a socially isolated weirdo is not deep. Its just the result of being a shut-in.

That being said, this is the writing of a typical neurotic jew who thinks her social circle is the universe. A lot of these MFA types write shit that is so self referencing that I just want to crack open a beer and watch football for an hour

>Schwartz's memoir, entitled Choose Your Own Disaster, is forthcoming in June 2018.

>born 1993

millennials were a mistake

Think I managed to ruin my best friend's proposal by disagreeing vehemently with it online. Don't really regret ruining it, they've known I didn't like their relationship since they started dating their SO years ago and I made it clear then and ever since that I would cut ties if they ever went through with it.
It has made me very angry though, it's made think about all the feelings of resentment I've been harbouring for a couple of years and has been leaking out of me in jibes and mean comments like a leaking, rotten fruit.
We've been very close friends for 10+ years, we've created whole worlds together and understand each other best.

Or at least I thought we did.

I'm angry and resentful and jealous for lots of reasons. They've tried making up with me, and we've tried unpacking our mutual grievances but I can't see past my anger and have only made the rift bigger. Not really sure what to do now, I would love more than anything to talk like we used to, but I don't know if I can let go of those feelings of anger and resentment. I don't know if I ever will let go. I just want everything to be the way it was but I don't know how to fix things if I can't even fix myself.

>>11355318
Kek

>>11354760
>but their worst crime was that they were boring.

>>11355318

>>11356457
This

it's easy to criticize. the fact that she subsists as a writer by mocking other writers makes her a bigger hack than most updike wannabes.it is the nature of females to humiliate fragile men. those delicate souls who, try, just try, to strike depth occasionally.

>>11354760
They aren’t boring to me though.

>>11354760
hi jewish im dad!

>>11355121
Isn't this called Loxism?

>>11357985
a small penis meets a deep vagina and fireworks ensue.

>>11354902
>Are you really this mad about getting called out?
I'm mad because there's nothing in this ibesides
>muh books by white men are bad
quotes from minorities and women who think that everything comes down to identity. She's not saying anything unique or even all that correct. I can sit back and postulate about all of the histronic, girl-power women in MFAs who think that their hard-core women punching Nazi's is smart, while they stand smugly above the class, but I'm not going to.

I enjoy hacks like Bellows and Delilo and Franzen and Cheever and Hemingway, so obviously I have to be silenced. Occasionally I find a female author I like, but they're white, so that's a problem too.

Call me when there's a book out there about being a woman/black person/gay person/whatever that isn't just moaning about how terrible the world is and strawmanning a bunch of white oppressors into cliche roles, and maybe I'll be interested.

>>11354760
The irony is that these snide, samey remarks by upper-middle class white women in MFA programs reek of having zero self-awareness. They accuse these mythical white males of having no empathy for people who don't fall into their demographic while displaying this same lack of empathy, but more brazenly and proudly than anyone would ever suspect.
It'd be bold if it weren't so fucking safe.

>>11354760
>updike

fucking lmao this nigga eating reddīt memes

>>11354760
>refreshing Buzzfeed
>Aziz Ansari

how can this woman even pretend to have depth

>>11354760
>ad midway down for the writer's book on Amazon
>"#1 New Release!" it says
>Filed under historical essays

God why are they all like this?

>surely ruining the search function for everyone else is worth the $12 I'm selling this garbage for

>>11354880
Tender

>>11354760
based

>>11356300
Brown's the color of poo

>>11356457
>one time this fat girl wrote a short story about how it was the birth control that made her fat and how this guy named "Lucky" fucked her and she felt so beautiful but then it turned out he was insecure because he couldn't handle the unfettered sexual attention being paid to his 200 pound cow of a girlfriend so she broke up with him and he even tried to force himself on her but she fended him off while at a gay-pride convention paid for by my fucking tuition because she wrote for the student paper

She had a white trash name, too.

>>11355153
Based

>>11356560
funny, imagine a world without jews: advertising and women lose their power, then imagine a world without women: advertising and jews lose their power
could this be the axis of evil?

>>11355318
>Scwarhs
>Shwars
>Schwarrs
>Swart
Jews are really just an elaborate set up for 4chan's punchline.

>>11355153

>>11354760
>Those boys are always on the stairs of the Rock, reclining back with one foot kicked up behind him so his body is straight and at as a board, forming the hypotenuse of a right triangle between the ground and the building.


Wow

>>11355121
>tfw no qt Jewish mistress gf that will abuse me for being white

>>11359439
no matter how many times i reread this i cannot form a coherent picture in my mind

>>11355121
>suburban white virgins need to stop presuming gorgeous celebrity women want to go to prom with them

This girl has some issues

>>11354760
better question: why would I care what this fat-faced man-hating self-loathing whore cunt has to say

>>11359439
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZoHs9Hi16w

>>11355261
>Tangentially
the author's written attacks on a specific demographic is becoming its own genre and is present in most writing circles

>>11362223
No wonder they have white people so much when they look like that at age 25

>>11362223

it looks like a painted rat

>>11358190

White people have been writing about how terrible the world is and strawmanning a bunch of white oppressors into cliche roles for centuries. Why is it only bad when minorities do it?

>>11354760
One day, I hope that race just becomes null and void. No targeting blacks. No targeting whites. It just wouldn't matter. That's what I hope. But it will probably never happen. It's more likely the human race will go fucking extinct before we overcome any sort of this dumbass racism.

I am ashamed to be human. At this point I would rather be a praying mantis or a bat.

>>11357033
this

>>11362223
oh nononono

>>11362223
This is so off putting.

>>11362223
waaa!? Her twitter pic fucking lied to me, that bitch. I get why people care about the opinions of attractive young woman, there's that vacarious feeling of you hate fucking them. but she's just a gray haired, pudgy faced boomer with no real skills beyond snark?

>>11354760
>i'm not capable of compassion or self-awareness but I can hate the correct class of person so please publish me

>>11362223
ahahahahaa oh no, no wonder she's so bitter