[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature


View post   

File: 116 KB, 694x541, Screenshot-2018-06-17-15.52.21.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11341982 No.11341982[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

/ourguy/ Norm Macdonald on Kurt Vonnegut and white men.

>> No.11342015

>Kurt Vonnegut

>> No.11342035

Saying "white men" implies that other races are smart in comparison.

Where the hell are all these chink, nigger geniuses?

>> No.11342047

>>11341982
I hate how racialized everything is now. It seems that every discussion of any piece of media or artist just boils down to what groups they represent.

>> No.11342062

>>11342047
Well, what do you expect when every white country is being overrun with brown people? Is it really surprising?

>> No.11342066

>>11342062
I feel like you missed my point

>> No.11342086

>>11342066
I don't think so. Everything is racialized for that very reason.

>> No.11342090

>>11342047
>I hate how racialized everything is now.

It's just the way it is now. You have a tribe and if you don't fight for it the people who fight for theirs will kill you.

>> No.11342094

>>11341982
>Maybe the stupidest decision the smart people ever made.
kek

>> No.11342095
File: 153 KB, 640x854, 4EC0005D-F236-4982-82E5-8C3000898C45.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11342095

based norm

>> No.11342099

>>11342047
everything was racialized before too, only in a way that made you comfortable

>> No.11342104

>>11342099
Oy fucking vey.

>> No.11342105

>>11342099

Not in antiquity or even the middle ages

>> No.11342124
File: 29 KB, 450x418, 1528005984265.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11342124

>>11342105
are you fucking serious?

>> No.11342133

>>11342105
cmon_now.jpg

>> No.11342136

>>11342047
You can thank the left anti racists for that.

>> No.11342140

norm is so stoopid

>> No.11342142

>>11342124

There was no racialism in ancient times. This isn't to say that there weren't equivalents that feel the same as racialism to you or I. For example, greeks looked at persians as barbarians. However, the greeks didn't believe there was some sort of genetic, fundamental quality that defined entire groups of people. Common folk in antiquity wouldn't look at a nigger king and say "look! the monkey thinks he's a king!", but white trash would probably say that nowadays. The closest thing to ancient racial categorization that actually mirrors modern interpretations of race were *maybe* the aryan caste system but those were only coincidentally racial and not explicit in any meaningful sense.

>> No.11342149

>>11342047
Welcome to multiculturalism, either be on board or indifferent or we will ostracize you. Have fun.

>> No.11342159

>>11342142
there was racialism, they didnt talk about genetics cause they didnt know about it but they DID consider men different castes, and openly talked about it, mentioned the differences, take it into account for external relations, etc

the difference is there weren't mixed populations, no one in their right mind would've believed it was their duty to allow a bunch of foreign people into their town cause of compassion

>> No.11342169

>>11342159

Which I agree with, but an argument could be made that what you are talking is a sort of ethnonationalism (which I think is more about culture than ethnicity proper).

But yes, every single race on earth would benefit from having their own (productive) homogeneous societies. I feel like global multiculturalism is advantageous, just not multicultural societies themselves.

>> No.11342178

>>11341982
By the way, he's being ironic. Norm is fairly right wing

>> No.11342181

>>11341982
More like Kurt Vonnejewt am I right?
>>11342035
there’s plenty of smart chinks, check any major US university

>> No.11342197

>>11342136
The right promotes racial identity politics much more than the left

>> No.11342199

>>11342181
So? There are smart people and dumb people, but somehow white men are the stupidest?

>> No.11342205

>>11342197
Elaborate

>> No.11342217

>>11342197
By not wanting mass immigration? The left call brown people not wanting mass immigration traitors as if they have to be on the left because they are brown. I don't see much racial identity politics from the right, maybe some extreme right wing people that are not mainstream.

>> No.11342233

>>11342169
>ethnonationalism (which I think is more about culture than ethnicity proper).
Probably because you're a hapa or non white. Culture is a product of race.

>> No.11342234

>>11342205
Currently, the chief concern for the right is immigration and right-wing discourse on this issue is generally underpinned by either implicit or explicit white identity politics. In the US, Republicans are more likely than Democrats to identify with their chosen political party on the basis of their own racial or religious identities: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pops.12485

>> No.11342240

Nice literature thread faggot

>> No.11342241
File: 787 KB, 1190x842, 487D5C57-104C-4772-9D0E-98E1EF9C6284.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11342241

>>11342217
>I don't see much racial identity politics from the right

>> No.11342245

based Norm

>> No.11342247

>>11342241
Usually when you see shit like the thing in the OP it is from the left.

>> No.11342249

>>11342234
The republican party denounces any explicit white identity and it's white nationalists who are trying to change that since every other group besides whites is playing identity politics and racially aware whites understand that the only result of us not playing is us losing. Only whites are barred from that and expected to be all about muh principles but that will not work as the jewish left floods our territories with infinity mud people.

>> No.11342257

>>11342233

I'm Scotch-German and was raised in the anglosphere. Definitely white. I actually agree that race and culture are related, though I'd also include geography and history in that composite understanding. I put that note there because I'm pretty sure the denotation, as in what dictionaries say, of ethnonationalism states that it is cultural and not inherently ethnic.

>> No.11342265

>>11342249
Imagine actually thinking that the GOP doesn’t rely on implicit white Christian identity politics.

>> No.11342266

>>11342234
First off, throwing in religion will skew what point you tried to make. But it doesn't matter, I was specifically talking about explicitly identity movements. I've worked for senators and around voters. Republicans do not usually have a conscious, racial element to their ideology. Actually, I think it's safe to say that a majority of most voters in both parties would fall into the category of "non true believers" in that they don't really give it much thought at all.

>> No.11342267

>>11342142
Alexander literally had to bribe his way in to participating in the Olympics because it was reserved for Greeks only.

>> No.11342269

>>11342257
But what I was saying is that culture is a product of race, and outgrowth or reflection of it, so what you're saying is egg before chicken (or just entry-level alt lite) tier

>> No.11342272

>>11342267

That doesn't fulfill the contemporary criteria for racism. Racism is SPECIFICALLY modern.

>> No.11342273

>>11342247
And when you see shit like this:
>>11342035
>>11342062
>>11342233
Is it also usually from the left?

>> No.11342276

>>11342272
No it isn't you marxist cuckold

>> No.11342279

>>11342265
Their strategy for the last 60 years has been to NOT appeal explicitly to whites and to try to bring in nonwhites. That's still they're strategy, which is why they lose and need to be taken over by white nationalists. We WANT them to be the white party, it's they and their jewish donors who are refusing.

>> No.11342282

>>11342269
I'm not alt-lite or alt-right. I'm discussing this from an intellectual perspective. Though I'm not a fan of multiculturalism, I'm pretty indifferent to the world of politics in general.

>> No.11342285

>>11342273
shitposters on 4chan are not relevant in politics, show me a politican or similar that talks like this.

>> No.11342290

>>11342276
I'm apolitical with social and philosophical beliefs that are decidedly reactionary/traditionalist. However, I care about what words mean and how they are used in discourse.

>> No.11342292

>>11342290
To the extent that you redefine them

>> No.11342293

>>11342285
Shitposters on twitter are also mostly irrelevant in politics

>> No.11342297

>>11342293
Yes but that is very accepted speech to do. Leftwing politicans constantly shit talk straight white men.

>> No.11342302

>>11342293
Twitter shitposters and 4chan memers got the current POTUS elected, at least to whatever degree he didn't get elected due to the incompetence of the FBI in manipulating the election.

>> No.11342306

>>11342292
I didn't redefine anything. I'm simply stating that a different word would be better to describe the behaviors of ancient peoples than racist simply because it's too far a stretch from what we already identity as racism. I'm not against racists, dude, I'm not making any political statements. Nothing I've said actually changes anything other than create a more specific understanding rather than less specific.

>> No.11342307

>>11342297
And right-wing politicians constantly shit-talk minorities.

>> No.11342310

>>11342306
>I'm not saying we should redefine a word, I'm just advocating newspeak so that people can't correctly contemporary language to the full breadth of human experience
Fuck off cunt

>> No.11342315

>>11342307
[Citation Needed]

>> No.11342316

>>11342307
They can't because they get hounded by the media etc if they do that, it is impossible to have a political career while doing it. Being against mass immigration is not shit talking immigrants.

>> No.11342318

>>11342297
[citation needed]

>> No.11342322

>>11342307
No, they don't, but I wish they did. Minorities offer no benefit to whites or white countries, and our leaders need to stop pandering to them and start working on solutions to remove them and resettle them elsewhere. Shit talking would be a good start.

>> No.11342327

>>11342316
>Being against mass immigration is not shit talking immigrants.

It usually is

>> No.11342337

>>11342307
If being anti mass/illegal immigration is racist than who cares. Your bully word is losing its effect. So much so that theres a cringy guy on twitter barking at people lmao.

>> No.11342341

>>11342310
So i guess you are a moron. Undoubtedly, you have somehow connected it to politics.

racism in antiquity = racism(a)

racism in contemporary society = racism(b)

racism(a) = racism(b)

Racism(a) and Racism(b) are qualitatively different, and racism(b) is the more familiar understanding. Pragmatically, it makes no sense to call them both the same thing. I don't understand why you pick this hill to die on. This isn't newspeak. I simply care about specificity. If anything, I'm providing more ways to understand human experience.

>> No.11342342

>>11342327
No that is just if you read the misinterpretation of it that the left usually do.

>> No.11342347

>>11342341
>>11342310

edit: racism(a) =/= racism(b)

>> No.11342349

>>11342181
Chinamen's performance, in my experience, has more to do with their dishonesty than actual ability.

>> No.11342350
File: 269 KB, 1200x1200, kurt-vonnegut-9520329-1-402.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11342350

>>11341982
>idiots are trying to drag Kurt Vonnegut's corpse into identity politics bullshit
Disgusting. The actual quote is:
>"The good Earth — we could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap and lazy,"
He wouldn't have ever gone along with this "reeeeee white people are evil," stupidity.

>> No.11342353

>>11342302
No, the Right Wing deep state specifically defense finance, national security spooks, counter-intel spooks and dissidents in the CIA+FBI+MI6+German intel got Trump elected and created the alt-right. half the German flags on /pol/ are shills and people working for infiltrated orgs. Breitbart, real estate moguls and Rupert Murdoch got Trump elected. The anons and shitposters only catalyzed processes in motion, the cannibalization of left hegemony, which was inevitable. Trump’s entire cabinet and economic council, campaign financeers are all part of this network. trump’s climate politica and decision to put a CIA spook and Neo-con in the Sec o State and NatSec Advisorship was done to appease these people. He is OWNED and so are his loyal followers. This is why based tucker and based coulter memes were being proliferated, this is why /pol/ transformed into a fascist hive in 3-4 years time and why people were banned for talking about Trump+Fox news. His business was saved in the 80’s by a key rothschild employee named Wilbur Ross who is now the secretary of commerce, who is also a mortgage vulture who profited by defrauding home owners and banks during the aftermath of 2008, our Sec of Treasury is a Goldman Sachs goblin Jew who is also a mortgage vulture who committed fraud to consume thousands of packaged bunk mortgages after the crash. His advisors were Cohn and Schwarzman, both Jewish wise men, king makers on wallstreet; his mentor was a deep state black mail artist fixed pedophile Jew named Roy Cohn who worked with McCarthy and Hoover to entrap liberals and conservatives for the rw CIA fascists. Your entire alt-world view is paid for propaganda and totally constructed around incredulity and appeals to domesticity and common sense, friendship, “knowing the scene” and being “there” when you really are incompetent and incapable of doing research or vetting your beliefs or associates. /pol/ has feds on it who shill for fascism because fascism is good for power and business. Jews do not run the world, first idiot mistake you people made, second was trusting fascism and its adherents, third was not realizing the connection between trump’s climate skepticism and his aliance with mil-industrial+energy sectors. You’re all v foolish high iq dissidents. The prog libs had to be dealt with but you went about it the wrong way. Mena being rt’s by coulter is meaningless when you’re now infected with rnc shills and have to back someone who is abusing his hold over you to implement reagonomics 2.0 and will continue to create a security state behind our backs under the auspices of fighing the drug war and securing borders (drug war pushed by corrupt dea and fbi feds with their hands in the cartel honey pot which the CIA clandestinely manages, hence Trump brough bolton and pompeo close to protect himself from all the dirty secrets that you get afflicted with). Im sorry, you guys are cool but you’re out of touch

>> No.11342357

>>11342181
>More like Kurt Vonnejewt am I right?
See:
>>11342350

>> No.11342360

>>11342337
Oh no, I’m being bullied by evil cultural Marxists :( There is nothing racist about believing that there are too many brown people in my country!

>> No.11342364

>>11342353
Throw in a line break every 3-5 sentences.

>> No.11342365

>>11342360
there’s nothing racist about not wanting more people and specifically only wanting skilled labor and labor from white english speaking or northwest euro nations with common culture. This is normal and par for the course in asia

>> No.11342370

>>11342360

Unironically yes. I mean, it may be racist, but it sure as shit is morally justifiable. so fuck it

>> No.11342372

>>11342364
no fuck off if you have a high iq you read fast and you can suffer the ‘tism long enough to absorb the content of the post. im busy and this is a hell hole, you’re lucky i post at all

>> No.11342374

>>11342365
Yeah, black and brown people are usually lazy and dangerous, we need more white migrants instead! Also, I’m totally not a racist.

>> No.11342375

>>11342372
You aren't busy. Stop lying.

>> No.11342376

>>11342099
>disagreeing with something is a form of discomfort.

It’s a great way to keep your in-group together but this reasoning simply doesn’t make sense.

>> No.11342377
File: 85 KB, 1280x720, 85B7B1EA-A2C1-43E1-A293-2629D8DAE04C.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11342377

>>11342337
bark bark.

>> No.11342387

>>11342374

Do you understand anything about the essence of democracy? The guy you are talking to might be a racist. That is completely in every way irrelevant, however. It literally does not matter. If enough people don't want any more immigrants, guess what? No more fucking immigrants. That is how it is supposed to work. People are allowed to be racists, and racists are allowed to participate in a democracy to advocate their interests. If you disagree then fucking kill yourself.

>> No.11342392

>>11342353
This was 100% written by a jew trying to deceive people.

>> No.11342396

>>11342360
Welfare queens that turn most areas they are majority into shit. Hospital lines getting longer, schools where they are majority turn to shit, housing shortage etc.

>> No.11342401

>>11342387
>That is completely in every way irrelevant, however.

Yeah, I’m not surprised you think so.

>> No.11342403

>>11342360
As I said idc. Ship your slave labor and complacement welfare leeches somewhere else. They only perpetuate the poverty cycle.

>> No.11342404

>>11342375
i really am busy man, and you really did ignore my post for no reason. again, if you have a high iq you can ignore the autism for 30 seconds its like 200 words
>>11342392
retarded fucking faggot SLAVE

>> No.11342407

>>11342387
>racist
You make good points but stop lending this word credibility. It describes a healthy biological reaction, that's it.

>> No.11342408

>>11342396
I agree, people of color are parasites who turn everything into shit. And there is absolutely nothing racist about believing that this is true.

>> No.11342414

Kurt Vonnegut was a socialist but he was an old-fashioned socialist who wasn't a fan of the social degeneracy that the democrat party is currently promoting in America. He wasn't a fan of gay marriage or abortion and he never showed any white guilt so I'm pretty sure he wouldn't like what Nell Scovall is saying.

>> No.11342417

>>11342387

Do you understand anything about the essence of democracy? The guy you are talking to might be an anti-racist. That is completely in every way irrelevant, however. It literally does not matter. If enough people want more immigrants, guess what? There’ll be more fucking immigrants. That is how it is supposed to work. People are allowed to be anti-racists, and anti-racists are allowed to participate in a democracy to advocate their interests. If you disagree then fucking kill yourself.

>> No.11342419

>>11342035
Many Japanese and Chinese are very intelligent. Same with Jews. The dumb races are Latinos, Natives, Blacks, etc. Whites are generally right in the middle.

>> No.11342428

>>11341982


How is everyone missing what he said this hard??

I cringe when people say that Norm says clever shit that gets misinterpreted and starts massive debates, but i guess people are right about him doing that after all.

He's saying white people aren't stupid and that it's just a ridiculous claim to throw out like that. He's the most sarcastic guy ever when he wants to be and its clear when he is and he clearly is in this tweet.

I mean just look what he said, saying how it was dumb for the smarties to make the stupid white people the most powerful. "White people" got themselves into that position through living and cultivating in resourceful europe.
He's intelligent and based af and you guys aren't.

Brainlets in this thread

>> No.11342440

>>11342408
A huge part of the ones coming are. You have to be blind to not see the huge problems they bring. The immigrants that came 70-80s did not bring much problem but they all came to work. This mass immigration have made it worse for them too. Those areas will not become better if more people move in there.

>> No.11342448

>>11342428
I like it when right-wingers use sacrasm to own the libs but the only people who than fail to get the sarcasm are other right-wingers

>> No.11342453

>>11342428
Yes that was very obvious by the last line congrats.

>> No.11342460

>>11342404
*hebraic screeching*

>> No.11342462
File: 108 KB, 1237x1017, 1464557506644-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
11342462

>>11342419
There's more to it than that. Verbal IQ and memorization skills aren't everything and effective intelligence requires creativity, which is an element almost exclusive in whites, and the reason whites are responsible for 97% of all innovation.

>> No.11342463

>>11342440
Which specific country are you talking about? In the US, immigrants and their children usually use less welfare than third-and-higher generation Americans.

>> No.11342468

>>11342462
Are you aware how horrendous is the methodology that Murray used in “Human Accomplishment”? It’s even worse than in “The Bell Curve”.