/lit/ - Literature

>>11318551
You fail to understand the esoteric dimension of Hitlerism
http://blacksun-sole-nero.net/miguel-serrano-nos-book-resurrection-esoteric-hitlerism/

Well, as his name implies, he was high at the time.

>>11318551
Jews had destroyed Germany so the Germans wanted them out. No one believes these stupid jewish victim narratives anymore, you don't get kicked out of 109 places and have it be everyone else's fault. Here read this about what the jews were up to, same stuff as today.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/24/sexual-decadence-weimar-germany

>>11318551
Intelligence isn't like some stat in an rpg, nor does it make us immune to biases and it doesn't necessary mean empathetic, being in a privileged position, he probably just wanted to profit short-term without thinking too much about the cost.

>>11318556
But how couldn't he see beyond good'ol populist mumbo jumboo?

>>11318551
Shalom Rabbi! Very good job learning how to post on 4chan!

>>11318578
This was genuinely worth a chuckle.

>>11318564
>you don't get kicked out of 109 places and have it be everyone else's fault
Fair enough, but you can't just go full on suporting genocide for that. What about her jewish friend Arendt? Couldn't he at least think about it two times just for her? Or was he simply in some sort of borderline psychotic nihilistic depression phase?
It just doesnt make sense

>>11318551
The Nazi’s weren’t dumb you fucking brainwashed moron. They just had an extreme political vision for humanity

>>11318551
>Nietzsche (most intelligent person to ever live btw)

That's not how you spell Leibniz

>>11318618
an extremely retarded political vision you mean

Heidegger thought the Nazis were the best bet at restoring authenticity of being in western civilization. During his time as a Nazi he was more extreme than the Nazis in some areas, and highly critical of them in others, which caused some alienation between the two.

But another way to think about it is this. The Weimar republic proved that democracy can fail, it is not a magic bullet, it is a simply a system with strengths and weaknesses and in the case of the Weimar republic the weaknesses overcame the strengths. The revolutionary conservatives had very little appeal, the anarchists and communists held on to a chunk of the population but the events of, and following, the Russian revolution (combined with rumors of planned invasion of Germany by the Russians) made them highly unpopular and even perceived as a genuine threat by nearly everyone not already on board with them. The Nazi party was a logical choice for many Germans who felt that their country was on the brink. It is also worth remembering that even though today Hitler = Holocaust in the minds of many that back in the 30's no one had mass graves on their mind. The middle ground had failed and people were desperate to keep their nation together.

This is not to excuse Heidegger's fascism but hopefully give it some context. People did not vote for and support Hitler and the Nazis because they wanted world war 2 and the holocaust. That was the result of but not the impetus for the appeal.

>>11318600
Jews genocided millions of Russians right before the 3rd Reich's rise. You know all those jews running your media and universities? They've been lying to you.

>>11318661
>Jews genocided millions of Russians right before the 3rd Reich's rise
why

>>11318618
They were just a bunch of retards following a guy with nothing of substance to say appealing to losers and degenerates who needed someone to blame to compensate for the lack of a responsabilty in and for their own lifes

>>11318551
i thought there were other professors who were being kicked out for not joining the party. am i wrong?

>>11318670
Have you ever read the old testament or the talmud? Jewish culture revolves around genocide.

>>11318656
But what about the anti-semitism in the black notebooks? I can understand everything but that.

>>11318676
>Bolsheviks
>reading the fucking talmud
Judaism got fucked just as hard as any other religion in the soviet union

>>11318685
Not even close. Stop listening to lying genociders.

>>11318685
Yeah the Jewish-majority Cheka sure did poorly for themselves while executing hundreds of thousands of innocent Christian Russians and Ukrainians.

>>11318673
Yes

>>11318673
It was the rectorship that he was at risk of losing. Either way he never publicly apologized; but after meeting Arendt (who herself had to flee Germany due to her Jewish ancestory), she did publicly forgive him. I'll need the Black Notebooks translated to English before I step out of my self-induced epoche.

>>11318682
My point was that the Nazi's did not come to power on the platform of becoming the secular Satan of the west for the next 5 generations. Before the war they got on well with America and much of Europe.
His antisemitism in the note books changes very little. Antisemitism was pretty common across the political spectrum at the time. He also loved Arndt most of his life. He simply sounds like a complex and conflicted individual to me.

>>11318661
>that one stormfaggot who posts on /lit/ nonstop

>>11318695
>Orthodox
>Christians
Sure thing anon

>>11318718
>Antisemitism was pretty common across the political spectrum at the time.
It's as old as time. Want to guess why? The presence of jews.

>>11318551
This thread belongs in >>>/pol/

>>11318600
Genocide? Please, tell me you are referencing the gas chamber at Auschwitz in which no trace of cyanide was found, that has no hermetically sealed door, that has trap doors to introduce the supposed cyanide that the curators admit were installed by the Russians, that had other modifications done by the Russians, that the barbers claim that a hundred victims of gassing were unloaded from the room that only has one inward opening door with a plate glass window in it in under 5 minutes. Please, tell me that it is this genocide.

>>11318730
Cool

>>11318717
>she did publicly forgive him.
Wow she really loved him

>>11318563
Kek

>>11318732
No. I really want to understand what the hell was in his mind during those times.
I'm not a /pol/tard.

>>11318745
Because he understood the jewish problem. As I do. As others do. As you should try to. Case closed.

>unironic holocaust denial

No wonder you're all still virgins. Despicable.

>>11318682
Reference the Pew Report for the 28 Jewish members of Congress, 25 are Democrats. One of the remaining 3 is Bernie. One is a New York Republican and one is a Republican from Tennessee. I do not have numbers to substantiate the claims of the Germans that Jews were essentially monolithic politically but the Jews have certainly sought to form a monolithic base here. The idea that they were blended into society and that there was no logical reason for an opposing party to resent them is patently false.

>>11318737
Feel free to provide evidence for any of those claims.

>>11318761
Unironic belief that Jews getting gassed would not have broken a plate glass window in the only door to the gas chamber.

>>11318551
The more quotes and excerpts I read from Neechee, the more he seems like a retarded, homosexual version of Evola.

>>11318761
It's literally one guy that posts here for ridiculously long periods pretty much nonstop and then disappears for a week or so, you can always tell its him because he talks the same way in all of his posts. it would be interesting to study if he wasn't so annoying

>>11318745
>>11318551
Because Jews represented to Heidegger the essence of horrific modernity, agents of Big Capital, and pure nihilism in what he perceived to be in-authenticity in Judaism.

>>11318682
jews are bad, dummy

>>11318797
you're talking about that guy who still believe that nazis made jews into lampshades right? The one who's always implying that they weren't jewing the germans out of house and home before the war? He's fucking everywhere, and think he even went to my middle school irl. Amazed that they let that nutjob in

>>11318787
maybe you should read books instead of quotes and excerpts?

>>11318783
No cyanide - Leuchter during the Zundell trial
The door - look at the pics on their website
The trapdoors - I believe the Holocaust Museum also has on the website - also the spy plane cameras
The barbe'rs claim - from an interview in a documentary trying to excoriate Germany

>>11318838
* relocate apostrophe

>>11318836
I'm not trying to waste my time reading a faggot. There are hundreds of authors higher up on that list

>>11318847
your loss

>>11318600
>Fair enough, but you can't just go full on suporting genocide for that.
The public was never aware of the genocide before the Allies discovered it

>>11319126
The allies didn't discover anything, and all of the so-called concentration camps were in Russian (read: jewish bolshevik)-controlled territory. The holocaust tale falls apart with the slightest scrutiny, which is why jews have to force laws on us making it illegal to question.

>>11318551
The better question is how there exist intellectually capable people today who are resentful enough to fall for democracy and genuinely believe that the National Socialists were wrong even though a long literary tradition of anti-egalitarian and anti-democratic thought spanning from ancient Greece to the modern day is available right at their fingertips. It doesn't make sense.

>>11318817
and you are a nigger

>>11318682
His anti-semitism is metaphysical, which is, uh, pretty ridiculous, but was how he understood the matter. For what it's worth, the following can be said about his positions on Jews:

1) He despised biologicist racism, and considered it crude and stupid. He even rants about it at one point in the notebooks.

2) Following from that, he was fine with secular and converted Jews, but this is where we get into the weirder stuff.

3) He totally believed in "world Jewry", and he was persuaded that The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was real.

4) But his definition of what "Jewry" is looks weird. For him, Judaism = Christianity = Socialism = Bolshevism = Capitalism = Scientism = Russia = America = Jewry. Those are all the same for him, btw, and the majority of passages in the notebooks that bring up Jews in any negative light also brings up these terms, which are metaphysically equivalent to Heidegger.

5) He doesn't especially weight Jews or Judaism very highly compared to Socialism or Bolshevism or Scientism, etc., and that's in the notebooks, written at a time and in a place where one could get away easily with anti-semitic expressions. That's a pretty good give away of his position.

6) He was also totally an opportunist about the whole matter, which explains why he became a super nazi for less than a year before resigning the rectorship at his university. He hope was to the be the Plato to Hitler's Dionysius.

That help clarify it some?

>>11318551
Because he had the brains to realize the essential need of tribal identity, and that the preservation of this tribalism, through different languages, ethnicitys, cultures and religions are you able to appreciate life from different perspectives. This is in stark contradiction to both marxism and liberalism, which both which to globalize the world and amalgamate all differences into one large melting pot (for different reasons). It can then be seen, that this "traditionalism" is in fact far more progressive then any liberal or leftist ideology, for they destroy the uniqueness of the world and submit it to one dogmatic system of morals and thought.

>>11319787
>jewsplaining

It could have been a natural choice for a conservative to back the Nazi's in the 30s. By that point he was also obsessed by the metaphysical question of "techné" and probably saw nazism as way to steer the path of modernity. Little did he know that Nazis wouldn't be different from anyone in this regard.

He was also an opportunist given the fact he was given the rectorate and all thar stuff. People even thought it was alla faade to defend the indipendence of university, but the Black Notebooks sadly put a stop to these fantasies

One must also remember that Heodegger was a country bumpkin for alll his life and valued that way of life above anything else. He was even buried as Christian just cause "that how it is done around here".

The only thing I really can't stand about his relationship to nazism, is that he was a coward. Junger, Schmidt never recanted like he did, but at least didn't write secretly in hope that rest of the world would forget about it.

>>11319834
>reddit spacing
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what do you have against anti-semitism?

>>11319840
>who gives a shit
>who gives a shit
>who gives a shit
>who gives a shit

>>11318551

He was mostly a coward. Stayed with the Nazis because they were winning, changed sides when they were losing.
There are a lot of good intellectuals who supported nationalism - the one you should despise are not those who had ideas different from yours or from the current worldview, but those who were not coherent, especially if philosophers. Junger supported Nazism in the beginning, when he changed idea he took part in a conspiracy to kill Hitler. Pound supported fascism and didn't change his ideas when they were cooking his face under the sun in the cages at Pisa. When Plato disagreed with the tyrant he was trying to educate, and said that his way of thinking was "slave-like", he was sold as a slave himself.
Now, philosophical courage requires you to stand by your ideas. Which ideas are these it's not important. Heidegger had no philosophical courage, and for this he deserves to be despised.

>>11318838
>Leuchter
Leuchter didn't prove shit and was debunked. At least research your arguments
>trapdoor
It may have been installed by the russian (because the russkie had to rebuild part of the camp who was modified by nazis) but we have found holes in gas chamber's ruins that coresspond with the location of where the nazis would throw gas pellet.

No idea what you're talking about next but there's probably an explanation.

Finally
>muh jewish commie

Litteraly wrong. Jews certainly were overepresented among commie leadership at first but other ethnicities were also overepresented. Lile the georgian who were much more numerous. Commie also hated zionists.

>>11318838
Solid evidence you have there. So great no one is convinced.

>>11319378
*hand rubbing intensifies*

>>11319787
>For him, Judaism = Christianity = Socialism = Bolshevism = Capitalism = Scientism = Russia = America = Jewry.
so what you're saying is he was right

>>11319787
On your fourth point, there is nothing "weird" about that. You see similar sentiments in Pound, in /Pol/ etc. The things you listed are all made by the Jews for the Jews

>>11318551
>how could he become antisemitic after reading Nietzsche
pffffff