/lit/ - Literature

Define romanticism

I'll wait.

I'll wait a lot because you can't.

>inb4 what comes after classicism.

>>11299833
>Defining postmodernism
Get over this meme.

>>11299833
Basically just a bunch of hedonist egalitarians who mishmashed neo-marxism and consumerism together.

Disbelief in meta-narratives.

>>11299833
Basically just a bunch of hedonist egalitarians who mishmashed neo-marxism and consumerism together and expanded on it with a few mental gymnastics so it makes sense.

>>11299933
*distrust

>>11299941
*disregard
>>11299939
this also

The next step after modernism.

>>11299933
>refuses to believe in meta-narrative by making a new meta-narrative.
fuck postmodernists.

>>11300033
Postmodernism isn't a meta-narrative, it's a method of inquiry..

>>11300042
Inquiry of what? How to be the bigger faggot?

>>11300042
bullshit. their "inquiry" invents new meta-narratives.

>>11299833
I know a guy who thought postmodern means 'sci fi' or futuristic.
"Because it's after the modern times"

>>11300042
This is like saying atheism is not a belief

>>11300057
That was what originally this term meant.

>>11300060
Well, it's a disbelief, a negation of beliefs

>>11300049
>>11300050
Why does post modernism upset you so much? We haven't had a prominent thinker in it for 2 decades now.

Most of what passes as Postmodernism today is just relativism.

>>11300083
because faggots like you are STILL unironically synthesizing ideas from lyotard, foucault, deleuze, and et al.

>>11300080
negation of belief is to be a vegetable.

>>11300095
I've never read any french theory.

>>11300108
you don't have to read the source material to use their ideas.

>>11300095
>deleuze is postmodernist
The shit you read on lit...

>>11300112
Ok, well Deleuze isn't a postmodernist in anyway and most people use their ideas. Jordan Peterson for example uses postmodernism consistantly in his literature lectures.

>>11299833
It is a continuation of modernism. It persists in destroying our fundamental belief of coherent nationalism. It's mission is to erase culture and identity and to determine a dystopian society on par with the model Orwell set out.
That, is postmodernism.

>>11300127
You realize modernism influenced fascism, the most nationalistic ideology in history?

>>11300127
>when you discover fundamental beliefs in the 19th century

>>11300123
ok, my bad. deleuze is not a postmodernist. peterson does not reject meta-narratives.

>>11299833
You should know that it’s poor form to inb4 as op.

28 posts.
Yet nobody has defined postmodernism...
Sad.

>>11300195
see
>>11299939

>>11299833
>>11299893
It's not really that hard. Postmodernism is just calling into question metanarratives; which in turn just means looking at ideology and gauging it based not on its explicit statements, but rather its implicit assumptions. i.e. let's say Person X goes into a room and declares "We should all do action Y to make the world better". A modern, enlightenment-rationalist approach would be to debate the functionality of action Y in making the world a better place. A postmodern approach would be to analyze why person X believes action Y would make the world a better place.

Postmodernism is not a boogeyman, it has no political affiliation, and it's also not some kind of super-deep mysterious idealism that automatically makes something "better" if it's postmodern. It's just a broad category that covers a bunch of different "tools" to use when analyzing a text or piece of art.

It's why I find the Petersonites so annoying and misled - they're looking at a fairly new ideology that I'll call (for want of a better term) "secular Calvinism" and calling it "postmodernism", without even taking the 30 seconds to google what postmodernism is.

Philosophy heavily influenced by the reaction to Hegel and Nietzsche.

>>11300205
>>11300018
>>11299939
obvious samefag

>>11300229
Thanks for the (You), faggot.

I always assumed it had something to do with the "death of god" but I'm just a lurking brainlet so what do I know.

>>11300209
Questioning metanarrative is not a post-modernist phenomenon. "Disbelief" in meta-narrative goes even further beyond what you describe.

concepts and terms must be defined by the author but meaning is determined by the audience.
there is an emptyness to everything that we must fill with our thoughts. And since you play audience to the world stage it is ultimtatly up to you how to make everything full again.

this is what many young people dicovering nihilism need to realize in order to escape the abyss.

postmodernism is making a god of everyone instead of following the few with "divine right".

>>11300292
And it's like, real sad man! Gosh, no wonder no one's cleaning any rooms.

>>11300229
Yeah. Thanks for (you)

The definition of postmodernism is: to accuse others of not understanding postmodernism. For example reminding this anon here to stop reducing the French to something that would fit anglo instrumental rationality:
>>11300209
>a bunch of different "tools" to use when analyzing a text or piece of art

>>11300308
do you disagree that post modernism is a very empowering idea?

interesting how the raise in psychotherapy is a direct relation to the raise in post modernism.
which culminated in the 60's with all the schools of psychology and "fringe" therapies.

before then people only cared what kings queens and other nobels thought and everyone else was a victim to history.

>>11299869
Does your pic related count as romanticism?

Ideas, philosophies, and analyses that come as a reaction or addition to modernist movements

>>11300108
>"I've never read any french theory"
>in a debate between fucking postmodernism

>>11300355
yes...?
It's Delacroix, of course it's romanticism. Just look at it.

>>11299833
It's definition is relative (heh heh). All definitions of postmodernism are correlated or directly build off each other. In its broadest sense it refers to the cultural/economic/social epoch that follows the 20th century and the modernist project.

In terms of art/cultural criticism, it refers broadly to what comes after modernism, or as a reaction to modernism.

In the ideological sense it is distrust towards metanarratives, as Lyotard argued.

>>11300457
It's still a piece of shit no matter how it relates to what.

>>11300466
It's whatever you want it to be. Feel free to project your neurotic insecurity about subjective deterritorialization onto it.

I feel like Peterson and others miss the point of much of postmodern theory, many theorists don't celebrate the postmodern condition but rather lament it. When he talks about postmodernism he is talking about shitty Anglo misreadings of Foucault that get subsumed by social justice ideology.

>>11300465
is this bait?
>socialism
>postmodern
>collectivism
>postmodern

>>11300475
>you don't like degenerate art made in 5 min. by spoiled retards with no tangible shoveled into your generation because there's no alternative
>you must be a fan of Peterson and don't understand anything
Just fuck off. postmodernism is shit and I can't wait until it's over.

>>11300488
Ok so you have a very specific definition of postmodernism, which is degenerate art. That's interesting because a lot of what you call degenerate art would be more appropriately be classed as modernist. You seem to have a Peterson fan tier understanding of art theory.

>>11299833
ITT: brainlets

>>11300417
No need for the sarcasm. I'm not knowledgable about the visual arts.

>>11300515
I already made that point. Seems like you're the brainlet.

>>11299833
Good Shit
The Best Shit we have

>>11300475
Peterson is the kid in your high school English class that did all the readings on spark notes and still insisted on giving his 5 cents. Everyone knew he did but the teacher still wouldn't stop him from talking because only 3 people really read, and before you know it the rest of the retards that didn't read are parroting the pseudoliterary sophistry he made upso they get the class participation grade too, some of them even think this guy is actually smart. The people that actually bothered to read can't even refute what's going on because everyone's just talking about a bunch of tangentially related sparknote themes without even referring to the book itself, class gets out and you're just sitting with your half soiled copy of Othello wondering how the class just spent half an hour talking about the universal expression of dominance hierarchy in literature.

>>11300557
>professional academic for over a decade before he even became E-famous
>durr he just read the sparknotes
Imagine being this fucking insecure

>>11300533
>Implying I read the thread

>>11300678
>using greentext to make your tautologies stronger

>No one is seriously disputing Peterson's validity as a psychologist

Peterson got famous of of becoming the anti-PC self help dude. He self-admittedly gets his understanding of philosophical history from rationalwiki-tier secondary literature. Maybe if he actually read and contextualized the authors he's so desperate to undermine he'd realize how postmodern his arbitrary determination of universals actually is, but then again he'd lose his army of dilletante pseuds that want to sound smart and own the libs but don't want to put down Fortnite long enough to read a fucking book.

>>11300533
Ooohhh looka at meee, I made the point on the forth night of the fifth moon two generations ago.

>>11300517
I wasn't really trying to sound sarcastic. But Delacroix is well known and the painting is stylistically typical, so it's kind of weird that you wouldn't know which era it belongs to. (We're on /lit/, after all, where everyone's super erudite, or at least pretending to be.) In the worst case you can do reverse image search...

>>11299833
>you can't.
Postmodernism doesn't have a definition but that doesn't mean it can't be the subject of discussion or meaningful to discuss.