/lit/ - Literature

>art is what you make it
>beauty is in the eye of the beholder
>trumpets “to each his own”
>I see you have your paradigm
>revels in the college he/she went to

>>11277483
>I only read subjective works
What the fuck does this even mean you retard

>>11277495
Don' worry theres more to life than being an intellectual.

>posting in this thread

>>11277483
>>I only read subjective works
what are some objective works

>>11277483
>being on /lit/ despite having great works unread in your room

>>11277512
The Holy Bible.

>yeah I decided it was time to grow up and return to my Christian upbringing
>mere aestheticism cannot satisfy the soul of man
>the greatest of art puts us in direct spiritual knowledge of God’s nature
>if a writer doesn’t have moral truths to teach then he cannot be great
>art is objective and luckily I have all the right beliefs ;)

Anything else to add?

>>11277483
>>being neet

yeah you wish wagecuck

>>11277517
This

>>11277559
FBPB

>>11277483
>I only read subjective works
What did he mean by this?

>they don't want to bottom for someone smarter than them

>>11277483
>Yeah I guess you could say I’m a platonist
>Dude philosophy was ALL downhill after Plotinus
>Dude the demiurge
>Shakespeare is only well-known because of anglo memeing

>>11277535
Is this the bait I've been hearing so much about?

>went to a (((college)))
>isn't homeless
>not a virgin (hookers don't count)
>doesn't bother people on trains with his philosophical insights
>his beard and hair don't reach his chest
>reads books instead of forming his own views

>>11277535
you forgot
>Theology is a worthwhile field

>>11277687
16thpbp

>>11277696
>Aquinas changed my life

>>11277494
fpbp

>>11277483
You described all /pol/ incels on this board. I believe that they are mostly boomers that blame society for their on failings in life.

>>11277483
>>wanting a comfortable job

Whats wrong with not wanting to die from the various stress-related diseases you can get from spending your life working an intense job?

>>dismissing your childhood iq

What? In addition to learned knowledge over the years, your brain develops a lot as you grow up....why would you NOT dismiss childhood IQ?

>>11277591
>>11277517
Wrong. The Bible is one of the most subjective, multi-interpreted books ever written.

>>11277642
Every work is subjective so specifying "subjective works" is redundancy only brainlets commit

>>11277687
We need to purge frogtwitter-wannabes like this guy.

>>11277535
>Philosophy was all downhill after Plato
>True art is the manifestation of The Absolute™ and The Spirit™
>God’s will

>>11277850
>>11277731
>>11277535
>>11277658
>>11277696
These

>>11277758
>I believe that they are mostly boomers

lurk before posting

Both him and the channel as intellectual sources for brainlets.
He's pretty good at logos tho.

>>11277924
>this man makes more money than I ever will in my life just because some moron heckled him and was so deluded she decided to post it to YouTube

>>11277535
this is masterpiece.
S A V E D

>>11277939
Oh.
Did I struck a nerve in your fatherly figure?

>>11277483
in·tel·lect
ˈin(t)lˌekt/Submit
noun
the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract or academic matters.
"he was a man of action rather than of intellect"
synonyms: mind, brain(s), intelligence, reason, understanding, thought, brainpower, sense, judgment, wisdom, wits; More
the understanding or mental powers of a particular person.
plural noun: intellects
"his keen intellect"
an intelligent or intellectual person.
"sapping our country of some of its brightest intellects"
synonyms: thinker, intellectual, sage; More
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in·tel·lec·tu·al
ˌin(t)əˈlek(t)SH(o͞o)əl/Submit
adjective
1.
relating to the intellect.
"children need intellectual stimulation"
synonyms: mental, cerebral, cognitive, psychological; More
noun
1.
a person possessing a highly developed intellect.
synonyms: highbrow, learned person, academic, bookworm, man/woman of letters, bluestocking

>>11277535
Can someone please explain to me why we are all in agreement that these beliefs are held by pseuds?

itt: projections, condescenions, bitter jealousy, and other negativity

>>11277997
You don't want to piss off masochistic lobsters. They have nothing to lose, and will, in fact, revel in losing.

>>11277997
No? Where in my post did I indicate I was a Peterson fan?

>>11277658
>Shakespeare is only well-known because of anglo memeing
All anglo are inherently pseuds, so the polar opposite to this one

>>11277483
>dismissing your childhood iq
you lose iq points as you age, unless you are talking about being insecure you were certified retarded as a kid in which case its valid calling them faggots

>>11277770
The fact it takes up so much space, has added insult, the ...? connotation which signifies an insufferable person, and then the icing.

The icing is how he not only butchers both his scientific and philosophical positions, but he also how he completely misses having ANY standing in the IQ debate. Only somebody who hasnt debated IQ in the last 15 years could hold this position.

All that combined with the second paragraph make it extremely tempting to drop off a sarcastic pointer or something along those eyes.

What one really must keep an eye out for when assesing a shitpost is the authors purpose. In this case, the author does not intend to land the sickest hook his life, or the most catches. His intention here was simply a quick, subtle jab at the op for underestimating the power of IQ baiting.

>>11278003
Think about the nature of the thread you're in

>>11277483
>dismissing childhood iq
Well as you get older, many genes begin to fully express themselves, there is almost always a difference between childhood iq and adult iq

>>11278175
You sound dumb

>>11278178
So is it meant to be ironic? Even then, the mockery must be based on some kind of sincere belief.

>>11278239
It’s not ironic. The guy you’re talking to is just coping

>>11277483
What a terrible thread. Off yourself OP.

>>11278220
Adulthood iq isnt a thing. IQ tests are invalidated the moment you can study for them, and even children can study for them, so they have zero scientific worth. What they have is socioeconomic worth on average and on average only for children, because there are less things that could impact the score.

So not only would you be retarded for thinking that you can draw reliable implications on somebody from iq, but you'd have to be very retarded to be using iq as a measurement of intelligence, and thrice retarded for using it as a measurement of intelligence in an adult.

>>11277772
Yeah but there is ONE objective interpretation.

>>11278262
When you say the guy, are you referring to the fictional guy who is supposedly saying the greentext stuff, or the actual guy who typed the comment?

>>11277483
>posting threads such as this to elevate one's sense of superiority
>responding to said threads

You can train for an IQ test? Why would you do that?

This niggas mad af about his 112 lmfao

>>11278446
I don't know why people care about IQ tests. They are not and were never meant to be genius detectors, they were invented to determine whether someone was a literal shit slurping retard or not

>>11277997
>Christians unironically supporting a crypto-gnostic because he calls leftists dumb and reinforces class hierarchy

The absolute state of politics

>>11278513
>crypto-gnostic
Not an entirely apt description of Peterson, he's more gnostic-utilitarian
>calls leftists dumb
Leftists (read: not liberals) are dumb
>reinforces class hierarchy
Insofar as he defends the inevitability of structured hierarchies arising naturally, yeah

>>11277658
>>11277668
fpbp

>>11278528
What is gnostic about Peterson? I've never heard him speak of the Demiurge or the evils of the material world

>>11278496
They are on the same level as the guys concerned about not being a beta male on 4chan.

>>11278528
The problem is isn't that he's simply pointing out that hierarchies are inevitable, it's that he's using this as an excuse to more or less dismiss criticisms of the current state of class hierarchies, which are fucking insane Roman Republic-Gilded Age-French Revolution tier. Yes he says some things about "the rich should be worried about inequality," but he fails to realise/care just HOW fucking awful it truly is, and how some sort of bloody revolution is pretty much inevitable at this point.

>>11278552
He's not a classical "le world is ebul" gnostic, but rather he interprets the myths and narratives of Christianity as solely being a method to develop personal and social psychological growth, in ways that would've been deemed heretical by any Church synod for the past 2000 years.

>>11278574
That's too bad, I thought there was really something to his moralistic interpretations of the Genesis stories and Christ's cruxifiction. Now I'm to understand that this is heretical to the church (Nestorian) I was raised in?

>>11278614
Put it this way, he doesn't believe in the literal resurrection of Christ, yet calls himself a Christian.

>>11278574
>which are fucking insane Roman Republic-Gilded Age-French Revolution tier.
Except they're absolutely not, at least in the west. State your criticisms of modern class hierarchies without relying on batshit insane hyperbole and present a solution that isn't fucking communism and everyone is happy to have the conversation from there.

>>11278630
More specifically he carries the utilitarian precept that behavior in accordance with Christian doctrine and authority is morally and socially good even when wholly divorced from the necessity of true faith.

>>11278574
Gosh, he even talks like Papa Lobster.

>>11278630
Is there something I could read that would explain the literal resurrection of Christ to me despite it's unlikeliness when examined from a scientific objective perspective in a way that didn't feel like coping? Or do I need to take a Kirkegaardian Leap of Faith?

>>11277515
I'm working on it. Reading takes time, even if you read 100 pages a day. I feel personally attacked.

>>11278664
I'm sure there's countless books on the "accuracy" of the resurrection out there, but for a claim as "bold" as that, you're without a doubt going to need some form of "faith" to believe it's "true."

I'm not a Christian by the way, I just find it funny that a faithless utilitarian Jungian is held up by Christians as being some sort of "brave Christian apologist" or what have you.

>>11277758
Faggots need to believe that pol-posters are virgin neckbeard boomers losers etc. because it helps you sleep at night.

Probably terrifies you to consider that many people on pol are actually upstanding, social, capable, healthy young adults who plan to have children. People who have friends and ambition. It's not so easy to write off fascists when you realize that the fat Irish retards in the neo-nazi biker gangs aren't the beginning and end of fascism in America.

>>11277535

That’s perfect. It describes with surgical accuracy what a great part of people here actually think, especially now that conservatism is fashionable.

>>11278692
Lol wtf kind of planet do you live on dude, I've met pol sequel people irl and they are fucking scum. Fatass slobs who play lol all day and project their personal failures or misfortunes onto e v e r y o n e around them

>writing something this bad with sincerity:
>>11278692

>>11278692
kek

>>11277483
>I only read subjective works
What does this even mean?

>>11278692
Going to the gym, dating a 7/10 girl with a single-digit IQ and having a job lined up for you at your uncle's failing BBQ retailer doesn't make you an upstanding, healthy young adult. It makes you a tryhard deflecting personal insecurities through a fascistic worldview.

>>11277483
I don't think a fake or a "pseudo" intellectual is defined by what they believe, but by a tangible dishonesty to their actions. For instance, a Catholic who carries a bible around him to impress show his peers how awakened he is, or an aetheist preaching "God is dead" despite not actually understanding or caring at all about Nietzsche or what he has to say.

>>11278803
>dating a 7/10 girl
But dude what if she was a 10? then would you consider me upstanding? if she really had big round boobies and like a big ass and stuff?

>>11278822
Maybe not upstanding, but perhaps intellectually and socially attractive enough to be able to nab a 10/10 in the first place.

>>11278803
>>11278822
of course the measurements for what is a ten is more or less laid out, but I protest that past 8 is where things become subjective.
An 8 with huge tits in front of a tit-man would be a 10 much like an 8 with great feet to a foot man would be a 10 but not perhaps to the tit man.
In this sense the will of romantic interest becomes smoke that's hard for others to pierce. A 5 even with astoundingly wide hips might be a novelty 10 to a man depending on his obsession. The higher a number a man is to find, the higher 'present-time' abundance he surrounds himself with. Therefore it is not perhaps looks but the level of which a girlfriend serves the man's desires which makes the man 'better'. You can see this in old rich men who have disinterested aesthetically ten partners who bring them no joy and therefore in fact weaken the man.

>>11277500
Spot the vampy

projection thread

>>11279160
faggot

>>11277483
Been OP

>>11277483
>Virgins that boast about their IQ
IQ is a terrible indicator of success in life and work fulfillment. If you look at the repetitve questions asked which you can practice for, that only makes sense. But it seems the most insecure "humans" and brainlets can stroke their fragile egos about a number on a paper. Good gois. Just give institutions your money and get a paper in return that states you are as smart as da Vinci. Pathetic.

>>11279244
Whats wrong with virgins?

>>11278574
wtf im a jbp fan now

>>11278692
HAHAHAHA why so triggered you fucking incel. Did I hit a nerve you subhuman scum. Please do us a favor and neck yourself you worthless shit stain.

>>11278912
Did you read about pussies on wikipedia? Because you sure sound like an incel cuuck.

>>11279244
>IQ is a bad indicator
>Talks about training for it which invalidates the actual IQ measurement

>>11279334
t. chestlet with no resources

>>11277535
mediocre bait. dumb atheists will cheer for this post.

>>11279490
Foaming at the mouth

>>11279517
hail summerlad

>>11277535
Everything is opion for the observer

>>11279490
Prayer has no discernible effects compared to placebo. You are delusional pal. Sorry not sorry

>>11279490

>>11279524
>r/donald board tourists calling others summerfags

>>11279545
That means you didn't do the offering to Zeus properly, dumb atheist troll.

>>11279545
>first post talks about the the legitimate benefits of grace: forgiveness, peace, etc
>second post complains prayer doesn't produce repeatable results
You're a bright boy aren't you.

>>11279548
/lit/ is my home board, retard. i don't even have a reddit login. go get your fuckin shinebox.

>>11279546
Inaccurate.

>>11279574
It’s been your homeboard for all of 2 months, crossposter. You havent wven read shit outside of one George Orwells and half of 12 Rules.

>>11279574
>forgiveness
>grace
>peace
>discernible from placebo
I'm obviously brighter than you delusional boy

>>11279899
Stick to what you know, kiddo: preconceived notions about what is or is not prayer, and beliefs about what God does or does not owe you while simultaneously saying He does not exist. Please do not bring your mouth diarrhea over to the theology table, thank you.

>>11279925
Never talked about what god owed me you paranoiac but lemme spell it out for you because you clearly have difficulty in the reading comprehension department
>discernible
>from
>placebo

>>11279984
you dumb

>>11279546
he cute

>>11277559
>Nietzsche lived off of others' labours so I can too!

>>11279984
I have literally had life-changing results from daily prayer.

>>11280065
And I've had life changing results from daily focused attention and open monitoring meditation. Nothing about either of our experiences indicates supernatural intervention in the slightest. What about people who pray to other gods anyway? They would almost certainly attest to the same life changing power of prayer as you

>>11280097
>other God
your blinding hubris will prevent you from gaining any wisdom from my posts, but let me say again: you need to learn something about theology before you can talk about it.

>>11280029

>>11280105
So you're saying that it doesn't matter who prays to who? They all just go to the same god anyway? I don't need to learn anything about theology to ask for even the slightest bit of evidence or at the very least clarification of meaning.

>>11280129
what you would ignorantly call the "Christian God" is... just... GOD. alpha and omega. highest object and first principle, the only thing we can want for itself: infinite love, made flesh in Jesus and as universal creator in the Heavenly Father. what is a property of infinity? it contains all things. including other deities.

There is no wrong faith, dummy. There is one faith and it is Catholic.

>>11280065

And what about people with cancer that pray and still die from the disease?

>>11280153
look up the problem of evil. you're just a mortal. after you're not, you'll understand.

>being returned to God
>a bad thing
all brainlets today man.

>>11280153
Death is a part of life, anon. Why would God materially stop something that is going to happen inevitably?

Why fear death at all? Embrace it, it is your gateway to heaven. Live a fulfilling life and when death comes knocking on your door you will not be afraid.

>>11280148
It contains other deities? Dude what? So it doesn't matter what god you pray to? It's just gonna go to the capital G O D according to your theology? Then what's is the point of any of this religion business if it's universal? yes I know catholic means universal but wtf you're basically espousing beliefs akin to unitarians

>>11280169
look up the catechism, doofus. read it yourself. especially the parts on baptism, which is the prerequisite for salvation. people who lived in the image of Christ; ie, they were morally upright good people who perhaps did not know of Christ's message or ever had the opportunity for baptism but if they knew about it *would have elected to be baptized* these cats qualify for salvation. same for children and babies. Remember: Jesus was incarnated in flesh to teach the Jews the ways of the Father. That infinite love is capable of infinite mercy.

>>11280197
Yeah I remember that stuff from religion class in catholic school. It was always brought up when people asked about those poor fucks who never heard of Jesus. Still doesn't say anything about god accepting prayer from other religions. Anyways, the point of this was is there's any evidence of supernatural intervention and from what I can gather from your posts the answer is no. I'm happy for you if prayer keeps you happy and motivated my dude, but it's really not convincing of magic. Especially the parts the cover the prayers of other religions. Kinda makes evangelism moot.

>>11280169
>Then what's is the point of any of this religion business if it's universal?
I'll make it sweet for you. Religions exist to instruct, and to keep themselves relevant so that they can instruct and stay afloat. That's what Catholic indoctrination is all about. If Catholic priests were to say God's infinite love and mercy means that it is easily possible that Hell is entirely empty... suddenly the Church wouldn't have much of a reason to be, would it? Proper instruction, the showing the way on the long road to the narrow gate, would not occur. And then the world is in trouble, because it would have forgotten Christ's example. Which is what this is all about. Imitatio dei. Read Kempis.

Unfortunately, a lot of kids are falling out of the faith and it's easy to see why. Atheism is rampant, and made bold by techno-empiricist STEMlords. It's okay. They'll come back eventually, maybe. What's important is that the faith is kept for those future generations.

>>11280240
asinine logic, schizophrenic assumptions, naivety about one’s leaders, total misinterpretation of history

christfaggotry will never not be embarassing

>>11280282
wow good argument you showed me

>>11280169
>Trying to argue with fundamentalists
Please stop wasting your time

>>11280287
it's not an argument, nitwit, he's asking questions and i am answering.

>>11280299
yes anon

All religious people in the thread, be honest: you all come from families that value religion and were brought up in the Christian tradition, right?

There is simply no reason for anybody with a good education to believe in any established religion: all religious books and treatises have been disproven by the evolution of knowledge. Not a single religious figure shows any knowledge of the rules of nature, and you can very much observe how their views and explanations reflect the culture they were inserted and the limitations of the science and philosophy of the time.

I’m not saying there isn’t some sort of initial cause, or unkown force, or a kind of concept that we can’t even biologically comprehend (the same way a cow lacks the brain structure to learn calculus). But we can be certain that any humans who “talked to” or “seen” God were either mentality sick or were lying about it (maybe they had noble goals, but still).

>>11280381
>not an argument: the post

>>11278175
>>11278175
Cioran?

>>11280408

Not him, but natural selection is one argument. Most religions - if not all of them - collapse when confronted with it, and Christianity is no exception.

>>11280284
its not an argument, i don’t argue with christfaggots you people are invariably sociopaths, pathological liars or submissive brainwashed cattle there is no point

>>11280476

This

>>11280470
Natural selection is also something that can never be demonstrably proved.

So not an argument.

>>11280566
Nigga it has been demonstrably proven in nature and even under laboratory conditions. Granted it's irrelevant because imo religions will just go with the "don't take creation myths literally" angle whenever it's brought up

>nothing I do has been posted in this thread
I AM THE TRUE INTELLECTUAL BOW BEFORE ME AND DESPAIR

>>11280620
>Nigga it has been demonstrably proven in nature
Nope. Peppered moth just proves that humans have the ability to kill species.

>even under laboratory conditions
You've proven bacteria can evolve to be resistant to medicine. Congratulations.

>>11278697
b-but we're all real intellectuals right guys?

>>11280632
>he doesn't know about the genetic evidence
>he doesn't know about nylon eating bacteria
>he doesn't know about the fossil record
>he doesn't know about speciation
>he doesn't know what the Catholic Church itself says on evolution I.e. It happened
Dude it is fucking undeniable. Don't make an ass of yourself.

>>11280632
>Humans aren't part of nature because it hurts my feelings

>>11280476
>submissive brainwashed cattle
this, atheism was hot back in 2005-2014, then /pol/ came and push christ harder than a bitch giving birth and all you cunts took it like a little slut

>>11280657
humans are higher than animals tho so fuck off

>>11280774
>/pol/ is behind everything
>there is no world outside of 4chan
You guys.

>>11277924
Meh, the only problem with him i see is that he’s too popular and now brainlets mindlessly quote him any chance they get. For those not retarded mongs it can serve as an introduction to psychology among other things, your blanket statement is just you trying to be edgy.

>>11277495
All works are subjective.

>>11280774
/pol/ aren't Christians. They allude to certain parts of the Christian dogma to give their beliefs legitimacy, but that's where it ends. And they still haven't recovered from realizing that Christianity originated outside Europe.

>>11278003
JBP

>>11280812
It just needs to be said that Christianity is not the fashion trend this place sees it as. /pol/ has to relation to the kind of true Christianity I witnessed from my uncles and grandfathers.

>>11280782
i was aluding to 4chan exclusively not the entire west in general, it's rather clear that christianity has never been preached as hard in here since the US elections

>>11278692
#triggered

>>11278692
T-this has to be bait.

>>11277483
You just sound like someone with a low IQ.