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imagine being as fucking retarded as the person who wrote that

Is it possible to die of bitterness

This board needs better mods.

you are Mad Online

poor stacy :'(

>>11191976
>that night where he fucked her ass 3 times
>If a male had to live even an hour as me, he'd probably kill himself
To be fair if someone fucked me in the ass, i would actually kms.

>>11191983
>economic resentment is legitimate
>sexual resentment isn't
why is this?

>>11191986

Based women
Betas BTFO

>>11192111

>economic resentment is legitimate

Who says it is?

>>11192122
The left

>>11192126
The left and the right are both retards; /lit/ is a politically transcendent board, cupcake.

Is this a satirical post? He literally used every single well know inceldom cliche. The other explanation is that he's a severely delusional hack.

>>11192126

I see. To help me understand, the way the left says this, is it sort of in the same way that the right thinks that sexual resentment is legitimate and that economic resentment is not?

>>11192111
who are you quoting?

>>11192141
The right doesn't really think that sexual resentment is legitimate either. Ben Shapiro's advice to incels was basically to shut up and be a better person

>>11192126
LEFTISHTS PLEAZE GIVE ME WOMEN REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>11192146
He's just salty about his sister's n00ds leaking

>>11192146

I see. Then they are very similar. Some c-list leftist political commentator from my country (small country in northern Europe) has also stated that one should not feel resentful towards the rich.

>>11192146
The left doesn't really think economic resentment is legitimate, just that accumulations of wealth are inefficient and tend towards corruption and crises.

>>11192162
holy shit thanks anon

>>11192165
That's not really the case. The Left sees economic inequality as a threat to social cohesion because of the psychological effects class stratification has on the poor. They exploit (for both good and ill) economic resentment in order to accrue support for most of their activism.

>>11192111
>why is feeling bad about exploitation legitimate but feeling bad about a bunch of mysognists not getting their dicks wet isn't
Also the solution to 80% of the incel problem is just to socially recognize the harmfullness of elicopter parenting

>>11192178
The harm done by a particular cause of alienation is measured by the psychological effects it has on the people experiencing it, not on anything objective. Hence the Left moving on to body image issues and movements for minority empowerment. Also, sexlessness is rising among young men in general and is around 18% now; it's not something that's the direct result of misogynistic behavior. Being a good person doesn't get you laid.

>>11192178
I think most incels suffered from a lack of parental guidance/affection if anything...oh billy loves his computer and he is so well behaved never even parties just stays in his bedroom how convenient. Extreme feminists probably got helicoptered however.

>>11192173
This is pretty accurate, since Marx left has tended to view economics (base) as a means to social (superstructure) ends. After 68 they simply abandoned serious insight into the base.

Thanks for the (You)s freaks.

>>11192178
>>11192193
It's literally the result of marriage being put off. In any non-monogynous system a minority of men tend to monopolize most of the women. Marriage was put off due to both feminist attacks on the institution as being tantamount to slavery, and because of a shitty economy that makes child-rearing and home-purchasing more difficult.

>>11192202
Women's lib actually started out as a cigarette guerilla marketing campaign. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom

>>11191976
god I wish that were me

>>11192190
>The harm done by a particular cause of alienation is measured by the psychological effects it has on the people experiencing it, not on anything objective.
Tell that to 19th century factory workers.
>Hence the Left moving on to body image issues and movements for minority empowerment.
Nothing to do with economic exploitation.
>Also, sexlessness is rising among young men in general and is around 18% now; it's not something that's the direct result of misogynistic behavior. Being a good person doesn't get you laid.
Eh, sure. I wasn't exactly referring to mysogynistc behavior, more to mysogynistc thinking that you see ever so often. I don't believe this to be the cause however, more like an effect that acts as a reinforcer of the pre-existing causes. Also, source on the 18% figure?
>>11192193
>oh billy loves his computer and he is so well behaved never even parties just stays in his bedroom
As a former incel I can tell you this is somewhat similiar to my situation, expect for the "how convenient" part. My mother always told me to go outside and make friends and she only took away my PC when my grades became awful. She always took care of me and blablablabla which cause me to grow up as a spoiled moron afraid of doing anything (I learned to tie my shoelaces at 16, for Christ's sake) and this, coupled with the fact that I know a good 5 - 6 people who had similiar situations, is what makes me think that parenting plays a big role and a good portion of incels aren't actually that bad looking. Like that faggot Eliot Rodger.

>>11192202
Values are part of it, but there is some truth in defective child-rearing being at the roots of it as well. Plenty of young men who are incapable of forming emotional bonds with women who still value monogamy and are open to relationships.

>>11192202
I really despise this kind of thinking that sees inceldom (at least in its today levels) as a hard fact of nature caused by the incels bad looks and sexual promiscuoty.

>>11192225
Relationships are a skill. Life is full of compromises. You can be good at math and terrible at fucking. Mankind is doomed to choose.

>>11192220
>Tell that to 19th century factory workers.
And leftists didn't stop talking about economic alienation and workers rights when their conditions improved. It's ultimately about a sort of dignity that can only be measured psychologically and sociologically, not mathematically.
>Nothing to do with economic exploitation.
My point is that the Left understands the psychology behind social cohesion, and why it's not just related to economics.
>Also, source on the 18% figure?
https://ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim

>>11192233
>You can be good at math and terrible at fucking. Mankind is doomed to choose.
>mfw

>>11192233
I don't understand your truncated Yoda truisms and what they have to do with what I said. Or what you think I said for that matter.

>>11192220
She may have recognized the excesses of your computer use but parents nowadays generally give a tacit approval to such behavior because they do not understand the risks and it is less anxious than having a kid who dirt bikes or sneaks out to cocaine parties. I expect this attitude to change but gen x and boomers had no idea.

>>11192232
You might dislike the thinking aesthetically, but there's evidence behind it. There isn't a polygamous culture in the world that doesn't have a system of differentiation where a minority of men have a disproportionate number of partners. The opposite - one woman with many male partners - is much rarer because of the biological reality of our reproductive system. Sperm are much cheaper than ova.

>>11192241
That post was defensive as fuck famalam

>>11192243
>She may have recognized the excesses of your computer use but parents nowadays generally give a tacit approval to such behavior because they do not understand the risks and it is less anxious than having a kid who dirt bikes or sneaks out to cocaine parties.
Yeah I agree. We're yet to fully understand the implications of such technology. It reminds me of cigarettes and abestos.

>>11192250
As a new parent, the "kids" section of YouTube seems straight out of a Cronenberg movie

>>11192225
Fewer dads, male spaces being dismantled, and boys retreating into porn and videogames all contribute to the problem. Western male failure is actually a really fascinating topic ripe for research

>>11192245
With this knowledge in mind, what's the solution? Enforced monogamy and marriage?

Gender roles are being reversed:
For males we are stressing politeness, propriety and prudence
For females liberality, promiscuity and power/success

>>11192260
There's no real solution. Forced monogamy would trample over female autonomy and turn women into the slaves that feminists claimed that they were. I think that less government support for single moms would probably minimize the problem somewhat; women raising children aren't owed free money if they leave their providers. But we're just going to have to deal with adult male virginity being more common.

>>11192259
Right, so you see the shift in values as feeding into child rearing as well as affecting partner availability. Right, totally agree, just thought you saw it exclusively as a factor of limiting pair-bonding. Upbringing has a lot do do with young men being illiterate at forming bonds.

>>11192245
Oh of course polygamy plays a big part in the process, what I was criticizing is how this tells only a part of the story and is often used as a justification. I think it misses some fundamental aspects of epigenetics and parenting.
The article the other guy posted is very interesting.

>>11192271
The way I see it is that monogamy is an unnatural culturally-enforced system of bonding that's in a precarious state right now, and that all of these factors contribute to its dissolution. And that the end result of its decline is the system of sexual differentiation that I described.

>>11192269
So you're basically saying that males need to accept that sexual intercourse is not a human right and deal with it?

>>11192260
Enforced monogamy wouldn't hurt. In the anthropological sense of the word, not the Handmaid's Tale boogeyman definition put forward by the media.

Like this anons said >>11192269, stop economically incentivising single parent child-rearing, by cutting the welfare ombilical chord after the first-born (ie: don't subsidise any further children) and occupy a space in pop culture that doesn't celebrate promiscuity as sexual liberation and high divorce rates as emancipation. Cultivate a pair-bonding skill, because it is just that, a skill.

>>11192287
Wouldn't that lead to even less children being born in developed countries?

>>11192286
Yeah, but they also live in a world where they're bombarded with sexual images and are told that virginity is shameful and that romantic love is the only purpose in life. So having a culture that's both heavily sexualized and a large portion of it has no access to sex is not a system conducive to social stability. Polygamous muslim cultures have to make sex incredibly taboo just to have some semblance of stability.

>>11192293
Possibly, to begin with, but if pair-bonding parenting becomes socially rewarding and is viewed as a value, it might curb some of that decline. I mean, we're already at sub-sustenance levels (ie: not at replacement level) in the developed world, even with all the out of wedlock births and single-parenting, so the other solution would be to get even more populations of Muslims and other cultures who are willing to have children and replace ours... Not a fan of the latter option, personally.

>>11192245
>one woman with many male partners
It's never happened (outside the fairly numerous societies in which fraternal polyandry happens in the nobility only). That said, there's non-monogamous systems which are not along the lines of the two you've given. There's duolocal systems with serial monogamy (and sometimes both men and women have more than one partner), there's matrilneal systems where the father provides little to no investment (the child being raised by the mother's clansmen) - in such societies the women often have more than one partner unless a system of marriage-service is given - where the man works for the matri-clan in return for breeding rights. There's all sorts of systems in fact, but they all require some social structure to work.

In our modern, western culture however, there's pretty much zero social structure, and I think this is a big part of the problem.

>>11192296
This. Western culture makes being a virgin shameful and sex extremely important (for men). Men already have high sex drives and socializing them with the idea that their worth is based on how much sex they have is pretty bad unless well, said sex is available.

Indeed in muslim cultures, men are often stigmatized for any sex or even interaction with women outside of marriage. And there's even monogamous societies like some in SEA and most of India, in which men are preferred to be virgins at marriage (that's not to say they prefer the sort of men who are incels in the west - just men who don't have self-control are considered weak).

>>11191976
Y'all need some Rebecca Solnit

>stealing content without giving credit
Classic reddit

>>11192190
>>11192193
>>11192202
All cope, it's literally just about F A C E

>>11192322
The point is that most systems aside from Western-style Judeo-Christian monogamy would result in greater stratification between men who breed and men who don't, and would create a sort of hierarchy for breeding rights. A system like that wouldn't be stable in a culture where sex is as highly present as it is in ours.

>>11192352
Meant as reply to>>11192311

>>11191995
This is OP?

>>11192287
All of that is cool but it's not gonna happen. We need to think of a different solution.