/lit/ - Literature

finished the first law trilogy and enjoyed it. are the standalones any good? do i have to read them in order?

>>11134465
Is The Silmarillion required reading in order to get into The Children of Hurin or can you just jump right in if you've read LoTR?

Post the current book you're reading followed by the previous 4 you read and a short review

>Solaris in expectation of the /sffg/ reading month
It's uniquely disturbing, I can't remember the last thing I read/watched/played that struck me with this level of uncanny surrealism
Reminds me of Lovecraft's better stories but better articulated
>The Voice From the Edge Vol 1
I got into it only for I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream but goddamn if I didn't stick around for the rest of Ellison's work, I don't know why I hadn't ever read any of it before
A Boy and His Dog and Grail were particularly good
>Accelerando
Wack ass fucking book, absolutely loved a lot of it and how it was kind of a deconstruction of boundless transhumanism
The sentient corporations and economics beyond human understanding particularly fucked me up
>New York: 2140
Classic KSR, might be my favorite by him so far, if not in setting, at least in the storytelling style
All of the characters were really intricate and aside from ONE I really liked them
>Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said for last month's reading
Was slightly more grounded than the other PKD stuff I've read, but the explanation at the end was really unneeded
Liked the Epilogue though

>>11134465
Fourth for Faggerson a hack

>>11134542
I like you anon.

I don't wanna start no shit, but what kind of litRPG does /sffg/ like?

I feel like I've read a decent cross section of the genre, and I still kinda like it despite not really liking many of the individual books. I found it all ass-backwards looking for pnp-related books like Critical Failures or Greg Costikyan's old ass fantasy novels.

I think I like the idea of what it could be a lot more than I actually like anything actually written in the genre.

>>11134542

>Son of a Liche
Dungeons and Dragons meets the 2008 Financial Crisis, book 2. Funny as hell, laced with clever references, accurate fantasy rpg economics, and not litrpg.

>Orconomics
D&D meets the 2008 Financial Crisis, book 1. See above.

>Demonic by Ann Coulter
Liberal politics through the lens of Le Bon's The Crowd. Also a short history of the French revolution, contrasted with the American revolution.

>5d6 by Robert Bevan
5th collection of Caverns and Creatures short stories. Like long format /tg/ shitposting. I absolutely cannot get enough of these books and stories.

>Aye, Robot by Robert Kroese
Comedy space opera that reminds me Douglas Adams a lot. Puns, wordplay and a better class of referential jokes that reminds me that references can be funny and not just dog turds of nostalgia thrown in.

>>11134567
Thanks anon
I'm not sure why that's the case but I appreciate you

>>11134465
I just finished Abercrombie's First Law trilogy.
I was pleasantly surprised by how good some things were in it, the personality each character brings to how the chapters are written was pleasant to read. Looking back, I'm a bit disappointed in the story. The first two books and the first half of the third feel like there's some big reveal building up, but then it's all "nah Bayaz is op btw it was him all along, it was all his plan", which felt obvious and boring. The Glokta chapters were the best but by the end of book 3 it started to feel a bit repetitive, much like everything else. Still enjoyed it all, the first two more than the last.
Did you rike it anons?

Met someone a while back and they said they were a big fan of fantasy but I when I asked them what they've read it was basically all Brandon Sanderson plus Asoiaf. What would you say to them to convince them to pick up something else.

We're reading Solaris by Stanislaw Lem!
F to Roadside Picnic which once again fell on the finish line.

My local library actually have this book, maybe yours do to! If not, I'll find a download in time for the next thread.

>>11134628
I liked it a lot. Felt kind of the same about some of the plots not really going anywhere. The result of the adventure to the edge of the world was weird and Tolomei impersonating Quai for so long felt completely pointless.
Glotka really carries the series and without him I don't think I would have continued after book 1.

>>11134542
>The Bloody Crown of Conan
Three longer Conan stories by Howard. It's great, the repetition of certain words (supple, lithe, tigerish, thew to name a few) is not as bad as when reading a collection of shorter stories. I also like the feeling of quality reading an illustrated book gives.
>Sandkings
Sci-fi short stories by GRRM. In the House of the Worm was great, the others mediocre. It seems like GRRMs love for the word 'whore' is something he acquired at a young age.
>Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said
Great story, the ending was a letdown.
>Childhood's End
Interesting take on the first encounter. Ending was a little weak, not sure what Clarke meant with it. Also not sure about ideas traveling backwards through the collective memory of humankind.

(I choose not to mention non-SFF books)

>>11134672
>have you considered branching out, reading a little more varied?
You also need to have some kick ass recommendations ready.

book of the new sun

>>11134672
Recommend them stuff you're also reading. If you bought physical copies lend them some. A lot of people are extremely resistant to trying things if there's any chance they won't like it.

Currently on The Bonehunters. It's pretty exciting so far but is this it's peak? I've read it gets really carried away with the philosophical meandering later followed by even more pointless characters and storylines that lead nowhere (which I don't really mind as long as it's somewhat entertaining & well-written)

>>11134833
Toll the Hounds and Dust of Dreams are where it starts getting really diversionary and pointless.

>>11134830
>>11134728
I reccomended the first Raven's Shadow book. Fun read, so good it probably could have been a stand alone.

i want a tattoo
litany against fear or an avern

>>11134955
>i want a tattoo
sent :)

>>11134955
get an ironic social justice tattoo.

>>11134955
get a butterfly on your lower back

>>11135034
what about a pair of averns on my lower back

>>11135096
Don't know what an avern is

>>11135096
Swastika on left pectoral.

>>11135109
I think he meant avian, as in birds.

>>11134955
>avern
don't they make pic related?

>>11134465
sanderfag a hack poster a hack

I want to get into the fantasy genre. But ever since I read The Name of the Wind I just felt like it is a sub-par genre with shitty authors.

>>11135109
one of these bad bhabies

>>11135257
You read one book by a shitty meme author and decided a whole genre is sub-par?

>>11135293
Considering it is the most recommended fantasy book that is not on the TV screen, yes.

>>11135302
So you're retarded, k

>>11135267
Sev looks fucking derpy here

>>11135302
Recommended by people who've only read it, Harry Potter and the first ASOIAF book. I've seen very few people with actual taste in literature (not just fantasy) recommend it.

>>11135318
>reading even one ASOIAF book

>>11135308
Nice argument, thanks for proving me right.

>>11135325
The first book is unironically great. The two main problems with the series is that it lose all focus a couple of books in and that it's never going to be finished.

>>11135326
>>>/tv/

>>11135335
I couldn't make it 150 pages, no matter how hard I tried. Even read that shitty Prince of Thorns garbage someone kept peddling here, but gurm's writing just made my mind wander

>>11135335
GRRM is probably producing a bunch of notes so Sanderson can finish his series for him in a 3 part anime finale, like with what happened with WoT

>>11135359
That might actually be wonderful

>>11135359
Can't wait for Bran to go full tree and time nuke the north

>>11135355
>I couldn't make it 150 pages, no matter how hard I tried
That's like your problem man. GRRMs writing can be somewhat blunt and common, but it's hardly impossible to read.

>>11135359
I'd rather he just release his notes in that case. Jordan should have done it.

>>11135369
With a third glowing eye on his forehead and a cloak of crow feathers I'm sure.

Also John and Danny mind controlling some dragons and holding hands or some other degenerate Sanderson thing.

>>11135355
/lit/ literally thinks Name of the Wind is God-tier

>>11134485
Huh. You must enjoy watching grass grow, or paint dry, too....

>Antagonist wins the MC Bowl

Speaking of god-tier.

>>11135377
What about a swirling crow vortex that no dragon can penetrate?

>>11135381
>this chart
>Silmarillion is entry level
>Name of the Wind is God-Tier
>Jonathan Strange is urban fantasy
At least they got Eragon right. Delete this from you computer and tell anyone else you see posting it to do the same.

I consider myself very entry level but I'm eager to read a lot more fantasy and sci-fi. Currently reading A Wizard of Earthsea.

Are the sequals worth picking up?

>>11135419
>Are the sequals worth picking up?
Yeah, they are.

>>11135400
>>11135377
Imagine you were were a writer and you've just released the latest book in your on-going fantasy/sci-fi/whatever series of books. You've accrued a loyal following of fans. Hollywood wants to make movies. HBO and Netflix are competing over the TV show rights. There are hundreds, literally hundreds, of fan theories online considering all possible endings to your series. How do you now write the next books without:

>Screwing up the whole series
>Following a popular theory a little too closely
>Doing the obvious thing
>Subverting everything and pissing off your very and very vocal fans

Honestly, I feel bad for GRRM at this point. No wonder he doesn't want top finish the books.

>>11135441
Fuck me, I need to learn to proof-read.

>>11135441
I feel like the nature of the books means the finale will be terrible no matter what. All the great parts of the early books have very little to do with building up to the dragon vs zombie ending. And honestly does anyone give a single fuck about Daenerys or Jon Snow?

What is the general consensus on the Expanse series?

>>11135501
meh. not bad, but also not really any good.
average is an accurate word id use.

>>11135394
sarah pls go

>>11135501
kind of falls off after the first 3-4 books
I've come to dislike belters just as much as Dany

>>11135381
>Fables
This and American Gods sound like some of the least imaginative fantasy stories ever. Is it just something about using the modern setting that makes authors forget they're supposed to be writing fantasy stories and not TV dramas?

>>11135512
I like the show, it’s not mindblowingly good or anything, but I like politics and the setting (early space colonization) a lot. And now that the show is canned I’m considering diving into the books. Even if it gets picked up by another distributor it seems unlikely they would finish the series anyway.

>>11135522
>American Gods
Every time I read this title I just imagine fat versions of Greek gods. Haven't read the books and have no idea what they're about, but that's what the title says to me.

>>11135567

>>11135441
>Screwing up the whole series
Don't let the fame go to your head and start slacking off. If people around you start sounding like yes men, find someone who won't just tell you what you want to here. Read your fiercest critics and see if they actually have a point.

>Following a popular theory a little too closely
Honestly not sure. Could be very hard since you might just subconsciously start working the theory into your story without even noticing. I guess... try not to look at those theories?

>Doing the obvious thing
>Subverting everything and pissing off your very and very vocal fans
Eh, I'm not so bothered about the first one. As long as it's still good, I wouldn't mind it that much. Same deal if the author just wants to avoid the obvious thing. The problem is when the author wants to avoid the obvious thing but pulls it off poorly.

And since we're talking about adaptations, here are a few things you definitely shouldn't do

>Give up on your series and end it on a bitter note that nobody likes.
>Don't make anything new for the series for years.
>Let another company license the rights to adapt your series while you just sit by and give no input.
>Get pissy that the company does incredibly well with the adaptation(s) and bring an enormous amount of attention to your series, but not to you because you decided to leave it for dead for over ten years before deciding to write something new in order to cash in on the popularity that the other guys brought to your work.

Andrzej Sapkowski can get fucked.

>>11135381
>Singular autistic makes a chart of his favorite books
>GUISE THIS IS WHAT LIT LIKES TO READ

Nigger you are fucking retarded

>>11135394
>woman writer

>>11135581
>>11135567
based

>>11135611
Then post your list if you're not so retarded and completely fine with being ridiculed.

>>11135627
at one point these get so elaborate in iconography that i cant discern if they are a satirical statement on modern society, actual honest to god good art, a feeble attempt to troll or actual real life prophecies of what is to come.

>female warrior
>just as deadly as any male warrior
>master archer too
What makes you have a seizure when reading?

>>11135257
rehashed hogwarts

>>11135636
they are brutal iconology which brings itself to life in order to fight the dissolution of the real in the postmodern era

>>11135805
>"You shouldn't be able to do this thing! How did you do it?"
>"I just did it."
>"You've been born with incredible power you didn't have to work and struggle to achieve!"

>[read something that's not very interesting]
>[the possibility of something new and exciting is on the horizon]
>[author either ignores it completely, or it happens, but you don't get to see it]
There were so many things mentioned in The Name of the Wind that could've been far more interesting than the main story. I think so far I have to go with students in a Hogwarts-style magic school finding fantasy drugs and selling them on the black market.

>>11135826
>"You shouldn't be able to do this thing! How did you do it?"
i like when this happens in fantasy stories. but not when it happens with power. but when characters think sideways and creatively. still working within the rules but finding clever ways to outplay the rules or bend their definitions.

>>11135831
Oh, true, I admire that as well. Characters using their brains to solve a challenge and all. I should've written it better than. What I meant is when characters don't use their brains, they're just so super duper gifted and skilled that they don't even have to think about the challenge, they just do it.

That said, I also don't like it when the characters use their brains to solve a problem when it should've been solved by everyone else. Like, it's so simple, everyone on the planet should've figured it out already, but the author lets these certain characters do it as an artificial way to make them seem smart.

Vin actually does both in The Final Empire. None of the things she achieves actually feel real, they just feel like Sanderson telling you how good Vin is at stuff by creating artificial challenges for her.

>>11135855
>That said, I also don't like it when the characters use their brains to solve a problem when it should've been solved by everyone else. Like, it's so simple, everyone on the planet should've figured it out already, but the author lets these certain characters do it as an artificial way to make them seem smart.

you have to think about a lot of circumstances though. like the average intelligence of the people at that time. for example in the vast majority of fantasy settings people are only intelligent enough in the maths department to maybe calculate interest over time. trigonometry would be comparable to rocket science in that case. fuck even most geometry would seem like wizardry for most.
very simple things that should be common knowledge are way way above most fantasy settings.
i get what you mean but more often than not being intelligent in fantasy settings means you have room temperature iq in modern times.

>>11135394
https://youtu.be/AVzm-nIFRaY

>>11135874
Eh, fair enough.

>>11135907
Bootleg Jlaw.

>>11135907
its like a visibly observable, physical manifestation of autism. fucken whamen.

Need some grity low fantasy sword and sandal stuff. I've read all the stuff on the charts and want more

>>11136232
throne of the crescent Moon

What do you guys think of David Eddings and his Belgarion/Belgariad saga?

I read this when I was 10-13 years old. Have not read them since. I only remember them being pretty epic but I don´t think time has treated kindly on them

>>11136330
I've read the first book and it was pretty comfy, I want to get round to reading the rest sometime.

>>11136330
As trite as possible. I'm not exaggerating, he described his process as attempting to recreate, every single time, all of the tropes that he saw in successful fantasy novels. Every series he wrote is exactly the same. It's kind of comfy the first time through, but after that it's just boring.

>read pic related
>mentions 4chan and reddit
>talks about politics
>loves catgirls, foxgirls and wolfgirls
So... William lurks amongst us it seems.

>>11136391
>he described his process as attempting to recreate, every single time, all of the tropes that he saw in successful fantasy novels.
Dear god, why? Just why? Do you have a link?

>>11136397
its pretty obvious if you think about. it. j.a. cpiriano, micheal scott earle and Daniel Shinhofen do too. they all dropped hints about that.
my guess is they all know each other and more than just literary friends.

>>11136397
h-hi

>>11136397
i had to grow used to nick podehl. he really didnt fit the role. jeff hays was better because he can do female voices much better. because theyre actually distinct. nick podehl wasnt bad but he only has one female voice. it was a shame really also it felt like he didnt put in the effort for the little things into the audiobook. for example in the first whenever more then one andrea were talking it was actually recorded as multiple voices at once to give you that feeling. also inflections were better handled.
it could have been much worse but overall its a shame jeff hays didnt do the second audiobook.

>>11136397
You think E William Brown lurks here too?

>>11135826
Well that first part can be done in a good way and a bad way

>>11135874
frigging stupid shit here, we are much dumber today than people were in the past
And its getting worse every year with the rampant dysgenics/immigrants.

>>11136639
>frigging stupid shit here, we are much dumber today than people were in the past
>And its getting worse every year with the rampant dysgenics/immigrants.
technically yeah but the overall standard is still higher by miles. i mean the average person knows about gravity and can do atleast highschool level math. ill give you the immigrant thing though. gerfag here. i know first hand those are subhuman scum. my brother worked as security for an immigration processing center at the height of the crisis. the stories he told me were unbelievable. i mean i though poor of most african and middle eastern people before but what he told me brought it to the next level. for instance he once was station directly inside the office of a worker because iraki immigrants would spit on the female workers, call them whores and suddenly just start masturbating all the while demanding free money and women. its actually surreal. theres videos of it on youtube.

this any good? friend of mine recommended it after i told him i enjoyed cast under an alien sun. he has weird tastes in fiction though.

>>11136748
There is a place called Nordland. So probably not.

>>11136748
its shit. nonsensical rules about everything. he doesnt think like an engineer and a lot of the justifications for actions are stupid. the rules of the world and magic also feel really out of place and dont fit. theyre too "gamey" if that makes sense.

>>11135381
why is this so low quality? you can't even read some of them

>>11136639
>>11136668
>>>/pol/

>>11134542
I'm currently reading a non-SFF book, so I'll stick with the previous four I read.

>Solaris
This book was scary as hell, something I had no idea of going into it. There were one or two points where I was honestly afraid to read what was about to happen next. You nailed it with "a better-articulated Lovecraft". I also liked how Lem saved probably 200 pages by cutting the bullshit and saying early on "yes, the ocean is alive, and it sent the 'visitors'". He still manages to make the "ocean" progressively weirder and weirder, culminating in the narrator's final encounter at the very end. Even all the bullshit about "symmetriads" etc ended up being used to make a very useful point. 5/5.

>Tor Double
>No Truce With Kings by Poul Anderson
Generic mil-SF novelette, competently executed but not really all that interesting.
>The Ship of Shadows by Fritz Lieber
The first 95% was great, the ending felt like a copout. The clueless and nearly-blind first-person narrator was a good gimmick.

>The High Crusade by Poul Anderson
I had this on my list after reading an interesting excerpt a while back. A good story, like the rest of these mercifully short, although at the expense of some depth. I suspect its portrayal of feudalism as an efficient method of interplanetary governance influenced Dune.

>Three Hearts & Three Lions
I was a little let down, although maybe my expectations were too high since I'd heard this talked up quite a lot. Overall a well-executed "crossover" (...isekai) fantasy. Then again, it was written in I think 1953. I did like how the protagonist managed to make good use of his our-world engineering knowledge in a quite plausible manner several times. I think Anderson also does a good job of initially understating the exceptional nature of the protagonist.

>>11135441
Have a plan before you fucking start writing. This is something that J.K. Rowling did right.

>>11134542

>The Sheepfarmer's Daughter - Elizabeth Moon
Promising start to the trilogy. Really loved the early training scenes and the gradual reveal of magic in the world, but I thought the last third dragged a little, the constant description of seige after seige started to get dull for me

>Ten Thousand Light Years From Home - James Tiptree Jr.
More misses than hits in this collection, probably cus it's Tip's earliest work. Still, the highlights (like "And I Awoke...", "Man Who Walked Home," and "I'm Too Big...") were really phenomenal

>A Night in the Lonesome October- Roger Zelazny
Comfy af, nothing deep but an all-around good read

>The Pastel City - M. John Harrison
Really enjoyed the world, but was kinda bummed by the typical quest plot. Excited to delve deeper into this series

>>11135394
Sarah, if you post your tits w/ face and a time stamp I will at least give the first book a try.

>>11136837
I agree with the first part. But not with the second.

>>11136842
this

>>11135805
>protagonists feelings are vert important
after killing a battalion of soldiers or guards protagonist starts going "muh feelings" ,"muh love" and other similar stuff.
These people protagonist killed had same feelings, people they cared and I have to feel compassion for his feelings of love. this happened in the "Mistborn"

>love tirangles
"We are legion we are bob" was guilty of this in recent memory I wanted to read about deep space, space battles and aliens
not love triangle between two humans and a spaceship

>>11136892
I stopped reading we are bob right after the author called explosive materials "volatiles"

>>11135805
>chosen one
>written by a woman
>no hardcover or paperback

>>11136892
actually i heard good things about bobbiverse.
is it only focusing on relationships? also how in the name of fuck can two people have a relationship with a spaceship.

>>11136923
I would recommend against it, it was really disappointing
Also had some magic shit like instant communication everywhere just for writers convenience.

Has anyone read An Unkindness Of Ghosts ?

>>11134490
You can read it straight away. I warn you, it's not really a pleasant linear story: it was unfinished and published later, not a romance I would recommend to a stranger.

Just finished Warbreaker, personally i liked stormlight archives much more, I'm beginning to appreciate what sheer length does for a fantasy book: everything just felt rushed and because it's a standalone it almost felt like making a magic system for it wasn't worth it. And everything felt shallow: from supposedly really old characters to i'm a beggar - now i'm not. A lot of stuff just felt like it didn't have a place in the world and was written just because as opposed to stormlight where stuff felt natural, even if often silly. Overall I enjoyed it but now i will be weary of sanderson's standalone stuff or maybe I'm just catching up with his shtick.

On a related note: is mistborn any good? I began the first book but i'm not impressed with a cocky character that seemingly uses all the powers or a beggar girl that seems like will be learning to trust again. And the metal magic seems quite boring and too obvious, are there going to be any interesting turns with it?

>>11135469
>does anyone give a single fuck about Daenerys or Jon Snow?
Not really, I just want to to see them get obliterated by the Lannisters or snow zombies.

Dan Jones, Conn Iggulden and The Hollow Crown have all been more entertaining anyway so I'm not feeling impatient about it.

Are there any good books out there like The Martian or Gravity? Basically, people stuck in space and using their ingenuity to survive and escape.

>>11136837
You're kidding, right? Rowling doesn't go a book without having to pull some new bullshit out of nowhere to let Harry save the day again.

>>11136464
>and more than just literary friends.
They fuck each other?

>>11136923
It's fun trash, but I liked it

>>11137044
>Gravity
>good

>>11137044
A few of Heinlein's Future History stories.

And ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS "The Cold Equations."

>>11135096
>>11135267
Why is there so little BotNS fan art?

>>11135381
>>11136790
why are these so low quality? you shouldn't even read some of them

>>11137440
>not reading books

>>11134465
is howls moving castle worth a read despite it being ya novel?

>>11135381
/sffg/ is lit and most of us hate it.

>>11134833
i would think so, i read toll the hounds but barely enjoyed. it just gets more and more of a clusterfuck with lots of things going nowhere

Do guys know what writers or novels inspired the Elder Scrolls games?

Finished black company, what to read next?

>>11137708
pre-Oblivion? probably inspired by a lot of shrooms and LSD, knowing michael kirkbride.

>>11136923
First two books were fun and the narrator was good
> also how in the name of fuck can two people have a relationship with a spaceship.

Spaceship was friend zoned by a woman or cucked by a man. Afterwards they thought that Spaceship was trying to set them up. That iteration of Bob overdosed on cybernetic onions

Otherwise this series was a fun 4x game let's play

>>11136923
First two books were fun and the narrator was good
> also how in the name of fuck can two people have a relationship with a spaceship.

Spaceship was friend zoned by a woman or cucked by a man. Afterwards they thought that Spaceship was trying to set them up. That iteration of Bob overdosed on cybernetic onions

Otherwise this series was a fun 4x game let's play

>>11136923
litRPG garbage but instead of being Russian Kirito trapped in a MMO, it's a techbro narrating himself playing his dream 4X space game and making Simpsons jokes.

So I finished the third book and read the synopsis of the fourth and it seems to be about Owen's daughter. Last time I posted this someone mentioned that the series gets meh in later books and I'm wondering if this is what you meant? As far as I'm concerned Owen got his happy ending and most of the loose ends were tied up. Kind of annoying that the author just wouldn't make the transition into a new series. Thinking I should just stop at book 3

Overall books 1-3 were pretty good though, would recommend.

>>11137708
Some of it is based off of Beowulf. In the games there is a character named Hrothgar and in Elder scrolls III there is a troll similar to Grendel.

>>11137964
what's this about? looks like another aSoIaF-ripoff YA book.

>>11134485
red country is 4/10, the others are laughably bad

>>11137979
never read game of thrones so can't say. I mostly read YA stuff off amazon recs so if you're not into that then probably won't enjoy it

>>11136821
Yeah you sum up my opinion on poul anderson quite nicely. He's a competent author, but he just can't write something that is truly spectacular. I guess that was a problem all classic sci fi and fantasy authors had; when you write one full length novel, a novella, and a handful of short stories each year for your entire career, you're bound to produce lackluster material, which is a shame really, since you can tell that these authors had it in them to write great stories.

I also never liked how he shoehornes his political views into most of his stories. It can get quite silly sometimes.

>>11137016
This is a great book.

>>11137687
Yes. Almost anything by Diana Wynne Jones is comfy.

>>11137044
Aurora

what if books came with sound tracks

>>11138410
ebooks? not a bad idea. books books? Kinda hard to achieve.
I usually play soundtracks during a fight for example, on youtube.

>>11134542
>hyperion by dan simmons
its pretty great so far, im really into the setting and the characters. the first tale would be great even if it was a stand alone story
>the way of kings by sandersman
this was surprisingly good for how much its memed on here. i cant stand his humor but the ending was great. kaladin is the reason ill keep reading this series.
>childhood's end by arthur c clarke
great book, fairly short but it keeps your attention
>the cleric quintet by ra salvatore
not very good. if you like d and d level fantasy its okay i guess. it gets really repetitive and boring after a while
>book of the new sun by gene wolfe
one of the best books ive ever read. its filled with some of the best prose and subtle storytelling ive ever seen. there's nothing else like it and i really need to read urth of the new sun and ill probably read it again with the lexicon urthus.

Should I read Malazan or Dune first?

>>11138587
dune

alright I decided im gonna get the litany tattooed on my tricep & the avern(s) at a later date

>>11138410
It would be horrible.

Hey guys I picked up Dune, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and the communist manifesto(figured I'd pick up a fantasy book to read in between some sci fi), what do you guys suggest I pick up next?

harry potter

Anybody got a epub of I, the One by Dominika Lein? Can't find it in the usual places.

>>11137708
The Silmarillion probably. There's some striking similarities there, though TES lore gets into some really trippy metaphysics the deeper you get into it and that's not really in the Silmarillion. But the basic mythologies feel like kindred spirits to me.

>>11135469
>And honestly does anyone give a single fuck about Daenerys or Jon Snow?
Only the fans of the HBO show, as book characters they're fairly mediocre. Fuck I just want Jaime to have a good ending.

Speaking of sword and sorcery, I just read the Conan short Tower of the Elephant and loved it. Short and concise, no bullshittin around. I'm coming from just reading Bakker so it's very refreshing.

Is the rest of the Conan stuff good?

>>11138904
Most of Howard's stuff is good. Solomon Kane and Kull are also worth reading.

He also did a great short story called "The Apparition in the Prize Ring" which reads like if Hirohiko Araki wrote a boxing one-shot.

>>11135390
Only Glen Cook has the balls to do this.

>>11138941
IIRC somebody said that in the second Nevernight book the love interest changes to the character who murdered the main character's previous love interest.

>>11134542
>Current: The Emperor's Blades
Just started it, but I'm liking it so far. The setting seems really thought out and expansive and that in itself is pulling me in. Still getting to know the characters, so far I like both the brothers Kedan and Valyn.

>Previous reads
>Before They Are Hanged
A third of the book was a roadtrip where the only pay off was awkward barbarian sex, the second third was a predictable military fantasy slog, and the remaining third was also fairly pointless but it focused on the best character in the series so I ended up liking those parts the most.

>Well of Ascension
Half the book felt like it was treading water then suddenly really interesting shit started going down and finished the book in a single sitting. So par for the course with Sanderson. Actually really looking forward to finishing this series, the cliffhanger ending was well done.

>Grey Sister
Second book in the Book of the Ancestor trilogy (first being Red Sister), and I have to say I'm enjoying it a lot and looking forward to the conclusion. Lawrence definitely toned down the violence and sex this time around and the series feels more accessible to younger readers without feeling YA-tier. Good to see some variety and he's not just staking his reputation on being "that guy who writes edgy fantasy-but-actually-scifi novels" and is branching out a bit. Main thing I like about him is how fast his novels go, there's basically no fluff and he just gets straight to the point. A pretty different paradigm than most of the novels I read.

>Infernal Battalion
Last book of Django Wexler's Shadow Campaigns. Really enjoyed this book and the other 4 before it. Guy clearly knew and loved his Napoleonic war history and it shows in his marvelously detailed military fantasy writing. The fantasy aspects felt a tad under developed and he could've done more with them, but it was overall a fun and compelling end to the series.

>>11138949
Oh yeah I forgot it happens in Night Angel although it's really forced.

>>11135805
Gene Wolfe did it too so it's ok.

>>11134465
Can anyone tell me if Black Legion, by Aaron Dembski-Bowden is worth buying? The Talon of Horus really impressed me, with it feeling almost too well thought-out for 40K itself, although with slow to jittery plot progression.

>>11137708
Warhammer

>>11137708
In Malazan there are the Tiste races whose history almost exactly mirror the Dunmer

So I'm 100 pages into this, goes it get any less of a nerd power fantasy?

>nerd hacker
>black trench-coat
>samurai swords
>cute 15 /yr old side-kick

I've always been told it is a sci-fi classic but so far it is simply embarrassing.

>>11139519
Also the Metaverse is like the fucking videogame Second Life.

I was expecting more of a Neuromancer style Matrix or Hyperion Technocore.

>>11139519
>>11139529
do not go gently into that good bait

>>11139573
W-wait am I the bait or am I the one falling for it by reading this book?

>>11139573
>>11139593
i don't get what he's getting at either. stephenson writing unreadable nerdwank is not bait.

Anon was right when he called Dune a soliloquy of a messiah's acceptance to being the savior

>>11134572
I like soft litrpgs the most.

Where the protag uses a grading system to determine points, usually similar to S (strength), A (agility), etc

It might have been my upbringing but it always seemed strange that people in fantasy worlds didn't grade shit lile that. Irl we know how much we can and at what reps, how fast we can run and for how long we can sprint.

Why don't wizards ever learn to gauge the heat from their fireballs?

>tfw you're gonne re-write a harry potter chapter to see what an rpg system does for it.

>litrpg

Can't we discuss something good?

>>11139519
>this isn't what I ordered!

Just enjoy the libertarian pulp and lessons about the Sumerians.

>>11139768
No, discussing bad things is why we're here.

>>11139768
Is this series really that good that you think we should read it?
Or are you trying to goof us into reading it just for laffs because it's bad?
Genuinely don't know what you're trying to achieve.

>>11139519
The setting is the best part. It even gets more of a power fantasy as you go. But the corporate states make up for it imo.

>>11139818
The insight to the cute yet murderous robo-dog is the only part I've enjoyed so far.
I'd read a book when he was the protagonist.

>>11139812
It's actually good.

>>11139812
He's goofing you, someone must have tricked him into reading it and now he wants us all to suffer.

Yeah, I FINALLY saw Black Panther today. And I friggin loved every minute of it. Especially Okoye being a badass and hating wearings wigs X)

Any fantasy books with a similar setup, where a male has a female as a bodyguard or someone close to rank as him? Preferably not love interests but I dont mind if theyre a really awesome, finpair.

>>11134833
I'm halfway through crippled god and I just want it to end. I liked the series up until Toll the hounds but now i'm just bored as fuck, Dust of dreams was the most boring book i've ever read

>>11139926
It's a long standing /sffg/ tradition to peddle shit you've suffered through and hate

>>11139812
He's a pathetic troll. It's worse than bad so avoid.

>>11137408
No time for drawing when you have to reread all 12 books once a year.

>>11139980
>>11139926
Thanks, fellas.

>>11138707
Post pictures when done.

what are some books where

>>11140147
consider reading this one

Better than the movie Saavik forever <3.

>>11140147
book of the new sun

>>11140604
lol

>>11140147
i accidentally the whole third book.
it was pretty sad but also pretty good.

>>11139959
>Liking capeshit
Neck yourself pleb

what are some books with strong female characters?

>>11140715
codex aleria.

>>11140715
Monstrous Regiment

How do you feel about Goblins in fantasy?

>>11140773

>>11140715
The Deed of Paksenarrion
The Hawk Queen

>>11140773
male goblins are for kill.
female goblins are for rape.

>>11140793
lazy fucker just redrew alfie eh

>oh shit everyone it's whiskyjack the incredible we're all saved
>oh whiskeyjack u so brave
>smarts and strategy
>we can't kill him, he's too amazing!
>whiskeyjack carry 2 much burden ;_;
>i cry when i think of whiskeyjack hurting
>oh whiskeyjack pls put down ur burden let me suck ur cock
>so loyal n brave

For the amount of time literally every fucking character spends gushing over this useless fucker, he sure hasn't done much.

Why am I supposed to be getting a stiffy over this guy again?

>>11134465
everytime this faggot retard meets a woman moorcock describes her by talking about her hair (color, shape) and eyes (color)

>>11140801
incase goblins happened before alfie even started.

>>11137408

>>11140773
>Goblins in fantasy
It kinda annoys me when they are used as generic bogeyman villains but some authors do utilize them much more effectively.

>the [noun]'s [noun]
>the [adjective] [noun]
>the [noun] of [adjective]

Nouns: assassin, throne, dagger, blade, sword, king, hero, quest, city, war, warrior, castle, way, apprentice, tower, dragon, destiny, shadow
Adjectives: glass, blood, gold, black, wicked, fire, magic, light, dark

The absolute state of fantasy authors.

>>11140978
Sounds like a fun name generator.

>>11140978
>the war's warrior
>the dark shadow
>the shadow of light

>>11134542

all books have been read in their italian translation cause I'ma pasta boi (I'm only including the relevant books)

>L'Invenzione di Morel (The Invention of Morel)
Pic related, I accidentally spoiled the plot twist to myself like an idiot, so I saw it coming, but it was still a great read since I love Borges, although a pretty short one: my only complaint would be the price (15 eurobucks for a book this short is way too fucking much)

>Picnic sul Ciglio della Strada (Roadside Picnic)
First I played the videogame, then I watched the movie, then I read the book, and I loved all three. It's just great, I loved how it reminded me of the videogame more than the movie in many places, and the ending is close to perfection.

>La Strada (The Road)
Way overrated and a big letdown. I suspect McCarthy is just a /lit/ meme at this point, since a lot of reviews and articles I've read after finishing this book shit all over him. It was really mediocre and kind of "flat": it had nice prose but there wasn't much substance beneath it, and some moments felt just way too melodramatic. I remember enjoying Blood Meridian a lot more when I read a few years ago though.

>Eumeswil
I think this might just be one of the best books I've ever read. A tough read, but absolutely amazing: it's very diffcult to describe (at least in a manner that compels you to read it), because of its uniqueness, but it has a kind of magic to it that it's really difficult to find. It's probably not for everyone, but once it "clicked" with me I was in love.

>Le Api di Vetro (The Glass Bees)
First novel / short story I read by Jünger, I liked it, so it motivated me to read Eumeswil too. It's a much easier read than Eumeswil and I think it's a good introduction to Jünger's novels and writing style: if you didn't like The Glass Bees, I don't think you'd like his other novels. Still, it's a short read, so anyone can pick it up and see for themselves.

>>11141374
These examples only serve to prove my point, I think.

>>11140826
Erikson does way more telling than showing, it's pretty bad

>>11141374
The shadow of light is very correct. A shadow can only be of light. I like it.

>>11140826
He was a big deal, back in the day, just like all the Bridgeburners. But Malazan Book of the Fallen isn't really about the Bridgeburners. It's not their story. Most of them are dead and the few remaining ones are mostly retired. Whiskeyjack is like the face of those old legends, still revered, but fading into irrelevance and obscurity. People keep expecting things of him when he doesn't really have anything left to give. He lived his best years decades before the books even started.

>>11140978
Don't forget the cover should be all white with some kind of heavily photoshopped portrait on the cover.

>a male author can create an accurate or at least passable female character
>a female author can't even come close to writing a believable male character
why

what's the comfiest fantasy novel(s)?

>>11140826
yeah, nah, malazan fucking sucks.

>>11141927
spend an hour with dad alone
>have a beer, chat a little about work, and can just sit in silence
spend an hour with mom alone
>constant chatting and gossiping

To understand something you need to pay attention and listen, not talk constantly.

>>11140978
>the castles castle
>slice of life retelling of a castles life from different view points in time, leading right up until the final battle
>moats bridged, walls laddered and breached, gates asunder, peasant/ farmer on his last breath against the evil overlord, using his body to shield the princess as her father and his retinue lay dying.
>assorted bunch of whacky side characters either too far away to intervene or resolving their own subplots
>dark lord raises his blade, feintist taste of an eternal glory fueled victory cry upon his lips, like the fire from a well aged spirit teasing his very soul
>BAM
>crushed by a chunk of falling masonry.

>>11142410
You know the 2nd is a lot more fun.
And at least for me, we stay silent when with dad because experience tells we'll be at each other's throats if we voice our opinions.

>>11134465
Having read through almost half of Discworld I got to say Pratchett knew his shit. The dramatic moments are indeed dramatic and he knew how to punctuate them with comedy at the right time and with the amount of keks necessary. Why does /sffg/ hate him anyway?

>>11142428
I'm not saying I don't enjoy talking to either more than the other. They are just different and one seems to lead to more understanding of the person than the other.
I talk to mom on the phone a couple times a week and dad maybe once a month, which probably speaks volumes about who I enjoy talking to more. Though dad picked up that I was a bit down at the moment last time we talked, where mom didn't despite having more conversations with her.
I feel as if that kind of different nature leads to a better understanding which leads to creating better characters.

>>11142446
Pratchett or Gaimen, /sffg/?

>>11142556
gaimen a hack.

>>11142556
Gaiman, desu

>>11142556
Pratchett, execution > idea

>>11134465
What music, if any, does /sffg/ listen to while reading? For me, it's almost always Basil Poledouris

>read new book
>MC is suddenly good at everything
>every girl lusts after his cock
>beats master swordsmen at first practice
why is this a thing

>>11142880
its easier to write a mary sue mc than actually put in effort. also its an easy cop out for authors that dont want to write dark fantasy.

I'm trying to compile a list of less shitty YA SF/fantasy; this is what I've got so far.

>Mortal Engines quartet
>Enchanted Forest Chronicles
>Bartimaeus trilogy
>His Dark Materials trilogy
>The Dark is Rising Sequence
>Chronicles of Pyrdain
>The Hobbit
>Most books by Eva Ibbotston

Does anyone else have input? I debated putting Conan and some other classic SF/Fantasy on there (Dracula, Frankenstein, Burroughs, etc.) but I'm trying to focus more on 10-13 year-olds than older teenagers.

>>11142943
The Hobbit does not really qualify as YA, at least not according to the modern definition. You can add basically anything by Diana Wynne Jones.

>>11136330

eddings is comfy as fuck when you are 15 or so then its all the same shite and basically unreadable as an adult.

>>11142943
Wind on Fire by William Nicholson
most Garth Nix stuff
Sam Feuerbach has some great YA stuff but sadly it's not available in english

>>11142956
>The Hobbit does not really qualify as YA, at least not according to the modern definition.
It's a fun adventure story written at a level that a 12 year-old can understand; why doesn't it fit?

>>11142985
Never heard of those; I'll look into them.

>>11142419
filtered

>>11142943
>missing my nigger Brian Jaques

>>11143065
God damn it that was it. Something broke in the in the other room and I lost my train of thought.

>>11142943
graceling by kristin cashmore

>>11140147
library at mount char

>>11142880
>book of the new sun
how did wolfe do it?

This Skyler Grant story is sold as a "dungeon core" tale and its anything but

fucking lies

>>11143112
What is it instead? Succubus harem fantasy?

>>11143119
no, it spends a bit of the first book as a "dungeon", but not really, with minor pseudo-litrpg elements, instead its just about the protagonist being some sorta AI in a future world of superpowered ppl

>>11143144
Now I'm doubly disappointed.

>>11143152
a female ai

>>11139519
The less seriously you take Snow Crash, the more enjoyable it is.

>>11135355
>Even read that shitty Prince of Thorns garbage someone kept peddling here

>>11135615

this

>>11136842

also this

asian cultivation fantasy > western magic & elves/dwarfs/orcs/shit fantasy

>>11139519
Snow Crash was written but a young autist in the early 1990s, just as their power was being revealed to them. Neuromancer was a fantasy novel but Snow Crash was written by a hand that first held the fruit. You don't have to like it but it's a bit cringy for you to sit on your throne of cape movies and nerd supremacy and assume this is a natural order.

>>11143504
>asian cultivation fantasy
what is that

>>11143516
wuxia

>>11134955
why not an avern where sev was struck
(pretty sure it was the chest or the wrist?)

>>11134706
Do we have a download yet?

>>11134706
Just finished this today
It was fucking superb, the surrealism, the imagery
There was a point at which I was genuinely uneasy because of a description of something
I need more like this to read after The Three Body Problem

Just finished The Twelve Kings of Sharakhai. It was pretty good. Hopefully the series doesn't go to shit

>>11140978
>adjective
don't forget "thorns"

>>11143544
is that what it looks like? with the face and everything?

>>11137408
i can draw some and i like botns
im a casual though and it took me forever and i dont necessarily remember everything
i can sketch something from it if you like but i would need a rough page reference

>>11143783
i've read a bit about them possibly being animals?
im going to try to dig out my copy and find the description when he gets it

>>11142446
Because he's reddit. [Spoiler]I don't hate him, he's good and I agree with you.[/spoiler]

>>11142556
Gaiman is a hack, and he knows it too. Only good thing he's ever done was Sandman and without the visual asoect no one would have cared. He ought to get into screenwriting if he ever wants to create something interesting again.

>>11143788
>>11143783
Summarizing the text:
Averns are stiff and have a "geometric precision" that organic life on Earth does not. Their leaves are "like a dagger blade, stiff and pointed," colored like a scarab's back. Their half-closed blossoms are "wide and lush;" the "white as bone" petals, at half-blossom, are ruffled but come together in a "complex swirling pattern." (It is likened to a hypnotic spiral, and its entrancing properties are implied a couple times. Of course, being that they are implied by Sev, it could just be that there is something within that is hard to look away from that he does not wish to describe. As an aside, at this point in the text, it's basically the beginning of his relationship with Dorcas. The vaginal look in that image above probably isn't too far off the mark.) They vary in size from one span to three cubits. Taller plants have fewer and broader leaves. The stems are "fleshy-looking."

>>11143544
It was the chest.

>>11144029
Oh, and after the battle, Dorcas says this.

"I thought it had been open before, the white thing with the swirl of petals, only now I believe I was thinking too much of roses, and it had not been open at all. There was something underneath, something else, a face like the face poison would have, if poison had a face."

Also, the indication that the Averns are animals was something I forgot - Agilus' Avern strikes out at the audience on its own, and Sev's curls its face towards his own.

And then they get smacked out of their hands, and the Averns never come up again.

>>11144073
As an interpretation for the sake of a tattoo, I think the vaginal imagery, for the half-closed Avern, is probably the most faithful to the text. I think it relates mostly to Agia and Dorcas. The Avern looks to Sev like "a virginal fantasy, guarded by a hundred daggers." Since Agiacomes to represent basically a classical Fury, the face beneath the vagina would be something like that, for sure. If I was going to get a tattoo of an Avern, but didn't want to get a vagina tattooed on myself, I think I'd get it with its face open and exposing something like this.

Earthsea sounds like comfy bunch of books.

>>11144096
They're the best YA books and it's not even close.

>>11143437
>>11139519
I wondered why I kept seeing hate for Snow Crash and its because I didn't think anyone could take it srsly. It's deliberately over the top and tongue in cheek. I liked it because I kept laughing at its ridiculousness.

>>11138410
a moment to moment soundtrack fuck no.

But a soundtrack album inspired by the book or even better made by the author itself would be god tier.

whats the newest grimdark fantasy book?

>>11142556
Pratchet

>>11142989
Because of that it's a kids book.

>>11144471
[increasing ranking title in the medieval feudal european aristocratic system] of thorns

>>11144502
The Vavasour of Thorns

>>11144508
Someone call the Pratchett estate, this sounds great

>>11144508
The Yeoman of thorns would be a prequel to this.

>>11134706
What version do you have?
The ebook I had on my computer was a translation from French by "Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox".
Then I found another version presumably translated from Polish by "Bill Johnston".
And the first page of both has a lot of differences.

>>11142989
YA typically deal with problems related to coming of age such as romance, identity and conflicts with the adult world.

>>11144543
From Wikipedia:
>Lem himself, who read English fluently, repeatedly voiced his disappointment about the Kilmartin–Cox version, and it has generally been considered second-rate
>On 7 June 2011, Audible.com released the first direct Polish-to-English translation as an audiobook download narrated by Alessandro Juliani.[13] The original Polish text was translated into English by Bill Johnston, with the approval of Lem's estate.[14] An ebook edition (ISBN 978-1-937624-66-8 ) of the Johnston translation followed
So it seems your second version is the preferred one, mind telling where you found it?

>>11144567
http://share.soupwhale.com/bibliotik/files/

What are some good novels in the vein of Philip K. Dick's VALIS?

>>11144584
Looking great, thanks!

>>11144508
Followed by The Baronet of Thorns. This sounds like a really long CK II campaign.

>>11144508
Is a Burgrave of Thorns equivalent to an Earl of Thorns or a Viscount of Thorns?

I just finished reading way station and I thought it was pretty kindo.
What do I read next?

>>11144590
Adam Robert's The Thing Itself, at least in my mind

>>11142943
Some heinlein stuff is pretty good. I especially like Have Space Suit, Will Travel. Probably one of my favorite books growing up.
>Starman Jones
>Have Space Suit Will Travel
>Time for the Stars
>The Door into Summer (Maybe)
>The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag (Maybe)

>>11144691
Marquis of Thorns or Boyar of Thorns more like.

>>11144774
my book

>>11134542
Reading Asimov's complete stories volume 2, midway through Nightfall. The Ugly Little Child was quite good but I have noticed Asimov's women are always carers of creatures they 'should not' care about e.g. Satisfaction Guaranteed. Thoughts?

Previous books aren't sffg

>read Acts of Caine
>love the setting and over-the-top action movie style
>buy pic related
>really love the opening
>feels like a solid concept that deals with the repercussions of the first book
>still absolutely love Ma'elkoth bits, most lovable villain I've encountered in a while
>everything seems to be falling into place
>get to the Collberg scene
>randomly becomes a human hivemind who rapes his supervisor and somehow has complete control over millions of people
>bites off her breast before he cums
Guys, I don't understand. Does the book get better? Things are getting weird.

>>11145352

>>11143754
The sequels are also good. He's the best new fantasy author I've read, especially on the worldbuilding/mystery side

alrighty i finally came around to reading this. it was actually much better then expected. i assumed it would be some indie schlock that had bad grammar and spelling mistakes everywhere with a marry sue mc but i was really pleasantly surprised. the books were great i just finished the third and i cant wait for the fourth book. i liked the characters a lot. the dynamic between waldo and melissa particularly was great. the interactions between alice and waldo are also entertaining. especially because waldo has such a warped world view which leads to a lot of hilarious misunderstandings and good humor. i wish each of the books were a bit longer though. my only gripe really is stuff happens too fast at some points while other things linger for too long. but i can cope with that. hope the next book tells a bit more about waldos mother and sister. his mom was a great character.
gimme some books like waldo rabbit. adventure, a bit of action and romance and good humor. mind you not forced humor but situational.

>>11134706
Fnished it yesterday, it spooked me but I loved it more than I thought I would.

>>11135096

One avern on each ass-cheek with an executioner's mask between so that the mouth covering would be over your asshole

>>11135805
>Kill off dozens of characters to be edgy
>New characters are each a carbon copy of a character who was edgily killed off

>>11146846
FUCKING HOBB

>>11137808
First book or series, if first book then read on. There will be more from waifu Soulcatcher.
Anyone here like pic related?

>>11140715

All of them

>>11140978
>Wicked Warrior
>Part II of the Blood Blade trilogy

>>11142989

The Hobbit was written for children; YA is written for adult brainlets with the mental capacity of children

>>11147129
Also, like all good children's books, The Hobbit can be read by people of all ages while YA is read only by teens and retarded 30 somethings

>>11143516
Crack smoking kung fu wizards meditating so they can make better drugs so they can increase their chi to meditate better and make better drugs.

"A Will Eternal" is a good introduction to them.

>>11147129
>YA is the heir to pulp.

>>11147670
Dem's fightin' words boy

>>11142989
>It's a fun adventure story written at a level that a 12 year-old can understand; why doesn't it fit?
Because that's not the definition of YA

>>11147129
I don't understand why everything is called YA these days. It's simply teenage fiction. As far as I can tell they simply re-labled it so manchilds would feel better reading it.

>>11147905
Hate this kid 2bh

>>11147944
>As far as I can tell they simply re-labled it so manchilds would feel better reading it.
That's pretty much what happened. Teenagers don't like be marketed to as teenagers or "older children", they think of themselves as adults, so they just changed the demographic to "young adult" to make it more palatable to them.

>>11135355
>I couldn't make it 150 pages, no matter how hard I tried.
Literal brainlet tier.

>>11135381
your bait was too fat but i still took it

>>11147670
I can't refute this and I hate it.

>it's a book with multiple POVs

>>11148457
Thats an easy way to turn a single book into 5 books
Have 5 different view points

>>11148472
it's even worse when some of those POVs are just plain boring and you have to fight through them several times

>>11148492
no you don't
just pick the one protag you like, and skip all the other ones

Thats how I read these shitty "epic" fantasy series

I finished The Fall of Hyperion. It was okay, but it really wasn't as good as the first one. Most of the magic and mystery were gone.

>>11148457
its not so bad if the povs are less then lets say 6 and non mc povs are keept to a reduced level. its really bad if you have a shitload of povs and every fucking person gets their own fucking chapter.

>>11148457
>it's a series where you get irrelevant PoVs well before anything of note happens with that character

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>>11148629
>>11148629
>>11148629

>>11142410
>>11142428
>my dad talks and has a beer with me about work

>>11138531
>kaladin is the reason ill keep reading this series.


enjoy 3000 pages of shallan feeding the poor.