/lit/ - Literature

dude you got him wrong recheck

>Literature

>>11104832
There is no philosophical board on the only sane website on this planet. Excuse my arrogance but I will hijack it for only 1 tread.

>>11104829
low iq

>>11104821
At first I was gonna call you a brainlet for being a Petersonfag and moralfag but your reason to discarding both things is much worse than either.

>>11104842
>>11104842
>two things
>Black and White
Brainlet of the thread so far

>>11104844
Simply because two "alternatives" exist in your case, and one is preferable, does not mean they are the only alternatives in existence and that this action demonstrates a "black and white" worldview. Sorry brainlet.

>>11104838
Read the sticky.
>Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.
Unless you're referring to a specific work (you aren't) then it goes on >>>/his/

Alexander Dugin

>>11104857
You basically said what I said.

>>11104821
ayo nigga we can like see stars an shit, u think dat mean we can fuck these bitches an rob an steal an shit without feelin bad?

ye man it do

do whatever the fuck you want dumbass no one here even cares
if you cant find a purpose simply by existing through this crapshoot that is life then no sorry ass book or philosophy is going to help you anyway. most likely you have no struggle and thus feel purposeless. struggle will eventually find you, rest assured, but the later it comes the worse you will be for it. this nihilism u feel is just your way of rationalizing your own purposeless bc of course you oh honored 4chan poster have experienced all that is necessary of astronomy and the sciences in the cosmos to arrive at your esteemed conclusion of nihilism lmao

>>11104947
Niggers are philosophically the most correct humans. Hedonistic and real as it can possibly get. The fruit of knowledge was truly a sin, as the Bible metaphorically stated.

>>11104960
Anybody is aware of evolution and the Hubble telescope. Thus how can anybody choose to sacrifice himself because of a moral purpose? WHAT IS THE POINT? One has to be INSANE to not see it.

>>11104960
embarrassing post
>>11104982
evolution and the hubble telescope aren't exactly wholesale refutations of theism and teleological universe, though they can contribute to the dulling sensation of the Copernican principle

>>11104982
you are assuming one can CHOOSE their 'moral purpose'

>>11104992
embarrassed myself in front of the 4chan master race yet again aw fuck

>>11104821
I like Petersons intentions but often I find his philosophy depressing because for all his supposed benevolence he barely goes beyond the surface. He says everyone should have a highest good to find meaning in their life but can offer no way in how to find it. He admits himself that if you're truly depressed you are basically fucked.

>>11104821
>I was listening to Jordan Peterson when he suggested I need morals to not be nihilistic
>Too bad I'm a nihilist and no morals LOL
Mfw. I don't like Peterson, but I bet you don't even live a nihilistic life. You're probably just a sadcunt.

>>11104821
>listens jordan peterson
>thinks he can be noble
Another confused pleb caught in the web of internet fueled self delusion. Next!

>>11105013
projecting 101
>>11105012
exactly. that's probably because he has a large crowd and he is appealing to it, hence the retarded surface level you mentioned.
>>11105008
then Peterson is wrong when he says that you should adopt morals? Glad we established that.

>>11105013
Also, the only context and definition of nobility which has to do with morality is "of an exalted moral", but that can also extend to "or mental character or excellence." You got it wrong OP.

>>11104992
I can see how an open mind can still find a way to hamster an alternative to our physical reality but this is so uncertain that to sacrifice yourself for this "purpose" is simply wrong.

>>11105029
Can you elaborate on exactly what part I'm projecting?

>>11105030
Judging by what standards? Look at this way, what is the point of me developing my character and mental excellence or what have you? Would it FEEL good? No. Would it serve any purpose? Hell no, it's all stones and death anyway. So why?

>>11105029
Try reading Against Method if you legitimately want to consider alternate perspectives.

>>11105029
The part where you yourself have a gap between your words and actions. Thus you think I am the same because people are known to project their personality onto others.

>>11105035
read
>>11105050

>>11105049
looks like i'll enjoy it

>>11105035
to prove otherwise, I piss in bottles and in the sink in my room. my room is a mess, I fuck only hookers and I have had literally more than 50 different plebjobs and I am only 24. I left most of the times because it felt hard and it's pointless to work more than to provide for another month of rent and get food

>>11105064
Why the fuck would anyone piss in bottles? Isn't that more difficult than pissing in the toilet?

>>11105041
>Judging by what standards?
Judging by the standard of language? You assumed Peterson was talking about finding a higher moral purpose when nobility =/= a morale. Nobility is a quality.
>what is the point of me developing my character and mental excellence or what have you? Would it FEEL good?
It does, it feels fucking great.
>Would it serve any purpose? ... So why?
That's not the point. I don't get it, you feel like shit, so you do your best to stop feeling like shit. Listen, if you don't want to be here you can end your life. It's stones and death right? Get it over with. Otherwise stop being a humongous faggot and be a better person not for anyone else, but for yourself. You have just as much reason to do that than anything else you can ever mention.
>>11105050
>>11105055
>People are known to project their personality onto others.
>So you must be
Pic related
>>11105064
Do you flex and squint at yourself in the mirror too?

>>11104821
>I struggle to understand how ignorant of astronomy and science in general does one have to be to find any point in anything let alone some homo-sapiens society and it's codes for cohabitation - morals.

You need to understand the concept of throwing rocks at faggots who speak like you, get in your fucking place you retarded head-in-ass virgin.

>>11105088
How come anytime I try changing my life it feels like shit? How come people watch hundreds of hours of motivational videos if sacrifice actually felt good? IT DOESN'T. Stop coping and lying to yourself and get back to your Saturday overtime shift, wagie.
>>11105080
Looks like you are not catatonically depressed. Why the fuck would I get out of my bed when I can just keep laying on my back, tilt myself a little to piss in the bottle and then leave it next to my bed?

>>11105029
peterson is wrong in believing that we have a choice in our morals. he's not wrong in his belief that morals lead to a belief in purpose. your belief system is a result of you simply not having to have made any decisions that you believe matter yet. peterson's solution is to find struggle and he suggests noble struggles but the truth is any struggle will do. i dont believe that they will help you develop morals but simply reveal your morals. most people though are pretty basic and will probably have noble morals. either that or they will retreat into laziness bc it will turn out that being noble is pretty hard work. often times nihilism can be an excuse to keep yourself away from making substantial decisions bc it will turn out that you actually have noble values but it will also turn out that being noble is rather difficult and so many will choose to simply not act and to rationalize their worldview as systemic of everything. but who knows, you might turn out to be edgy and with the potential to be a criminal

>>11105116
But why? It feels worse every time I try. And nobody is providing a logical reason to do so. So how can I ever accomplish it when there is no reward and it feels bad?

>>11104821

You sorry fool. The fact that mankind is little compared to the vastness of the universe means nothing. Rather, ask yourself whether the existence of mind and mental experience through human beings adds something to the universe or not. Would something be visible without eyes, without brain, without mind to process its visibility? Does it make sense to call the sun warm, or bright, or to definite it in any way outside of its relation to a given mind? Because if it does not, mind's decoding of the universe through our feeble bodies is adding a great deal to cosmos. In fact, you could say it makes the cosmos what it is, for it actualizes its possibility of being manifest - but something can only be manifest to some observer, and this is what life and mental experience is doing.
What will you do with your mental experience? Would you waste another hour of your time shitposting on 4chan about things you do not understand? Would you spend it watching videos of a man who barely scratches the doors of the beautiful realm of the truth? Or will you leave and never return, aiming for horizons unexplored, for the untouched, chaotic territories where there is no where and the cosmos waits to become cosmos, waits for mind to set its gaze upon it and breath being into it?

>>11105130
Why what? Get in your place? Cause otherwise you get the rock you unsufferable faggot, you are not a telescope, you don't see the earth as a blinking spot in a void, you see the rock coming to your face and your own reflexes makes you avoid it or your own fortitude lets you take it without a finch.

Take your choice and stop being a faggot, or you take the rock.

See? Its easy: ROCK.

>>11105123
>How come anytime I try changing my life it feels like shit? How come people watch hundreds of hours of motivational videos if sacrifice actually felt good? IT DOESN'T. Stop coping and lying to yourself and get back to your Saturday overtime shift, wagie.
Now who's projecting? Hahaha.

>>11105148
Do you even know what this word means? Reddit is down the hallway.
>>11105143
Beautiful words. Suits an anarchist like me, a lot. I've been thinking about bumming on the beaches of Spain for an year now, mayhaps I will.
I hope those beautiful words weren't meant for a dead-end wageslave job that is soulcrushingly redundant and boring.

>>11105144
No mate. There is no otherwise. Getting in my place or not I will GET THE ROCK. That's my point.
But before I get the rock, why should I spend my time suffering for some noble cause when it's completely pointless?
I can suffer less but eating from the church and chilling on the beaches of Spain.

>>11105191
>That's my point.
No thats mine, yours is that its valuable to worry about getting the rock
>I can suffer less
You cant suffer less, you can only learn to take the rock, if you wish some dignity

>>11105235
Also "the rock" isn't thrown at you for going after a noble cause or going to chill at Spain, the rock is thrown at you for being a fucking faggot.

Why are you being a fucking faggot? Cause you are trying to seek validation for not taking a noble cause, or seeking to get convinced to take a noble cause. Both attitudes are faggotry.

Just shut the fuck up or you get the rock.

>>11105235
You are completely wrong. Chilling at home smoking ingrown weed and shitposting and masturbating is better than wageslaving, by all means freedom>slavery.
No it wasn't your point to begin with, you are just trying to sound clever. Show me where it was your point and show me where my point is that its valuable to worry about getting the rock.
Protip - you cant

>>11105248
>ad hominem
>Plebbit spacing
>yourafaggot lmaooo
kys pleb low iq

>>11105251
>>11105255


>I struggle to understand how ignorant of astronomy and science in general does one have to be to find any point in anything let alone some homo-sapiens society and it's codes for cohabitation - morals.

YOU SOUND LIKE A FAG AND YOUR SHIT IS ALL RETARDED.

>>11105251
>Show me where it was your point and show me where my point is that its valuable to worry about getting the rock.

I said you get the rock regardless, you are wasting time rationalizing your suppossed solution to the angst of not doing shit with your life, aka, you consider worrying about the rock a valuable thing

>>11104978
the absolute state of christcucks

>>11105277
>>11105316
There are hardly any sane humans left. You just made me so disappointed

>>11104821
>I struggle to understand how ignorant of astronomy and science in general does one have to be to find any point in anything
>stars exist, therefore you are meaningless
wtf?

>>11105123
Jesus Christ man if you aren't just fucking around go to a doctor. Meds aren't good for most people but if you're that far gone you probably need them. you can't survive very long living that way

>>11105378
I think that OP is refering to the fact that our current understanding of astronomy and science, makes the idea of god very unrealistic.
And without god there is no meaning to life (becasue there is no reward for it in the afterlife).
So yeah stars exist, therefore you are meaningless.

>>11105143
What the fuck are you doing in 4chan. Save yourself you're not like us.

>>11105185
Please stop being cringey about anarchism. You ruin it for real anarchy enthusiasts.
Unironically check your privlege and go spray paint shit