/lit/ - Literature

*blocks your path*

>>11044613
yes if you are a social outcast virgin

Both Schopenhauer and Stirner are obsolete through Nietzsche

>>11044613
yes, but switch schoppi with marx and stirner with adorno

>>11044618
>dude I feel bad lmao

Plato-Hegel-Peirce-Weininger
Once you've mastered them, there really isn't anything else.

>>11044621
You have to reject women and friendship in order to fully understand life

>>11044639
it’s not ‘rejecting’ if you never had them in the first place

>>11044636
>dude i leave my love and never get in touch with a woman again

>>11044613
the holy trinity of meme philosophy that is easy enough to autodidact yourself through without much difficulty

>>11044648
Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Stirner had love and friends

>>11044657
>I read Hegel once so I'm smart

Are there any good philosophers that weren't sad virgins?

nah, maybe the shadow of it.

id say kant, hegel and idk who else.

>>11044701
Me

>>11044701
If you're drowning in pussy you don't have time to dedicate your life to philosophy. When you're fucking all the time you're not going to start thinking about life, you'll just enjoy it. This is also why smart people are more unhappy.

>>11044657
>autodidact
>as a verb
self-taught, arenchtya bud?

>>11044613
Replace Stirner with Deleuze

>>11044713
What if the people who understand life the most are those who are happy?

>>11044720
replace deleuze with a random bum, who doesnt cut his nails and fantasizes about a wish machine

>*blocks your path*

>>11044735
You could make a case for that but I'd say it's a different type of knowledge. Like how I can drive a car pretty well without having the slightest clue about how engines work, while brilliant engineers can know every detail but will fuck up driving the first few times just like everyone.

>>11044746
>philosophy before the invention of the photograph

>>11044746
>muhquinas

>>11044807

>>11044746
replace the virgin Aquinas with the Chad Confucius and you have a good list there

>>11044613
Stirner-Wittgenstein
Holy Duo

>>11044807

Yes

How do I start with Schopenhauer?

I don't see Sean Goonan.

>>11045493
Go to bed, Sean.

bump

>>11044718
>he doesn’t verb his nouns

>>11044713
>the I'm depressed and have a shit life because I'm smarter than the proles meme
It's horseshit, stop perpetuating this.

>>11045890
t. prole

>>11045953
No, I'm pretty miserable too, but if I were smarter I'd be happier, and I don't tout depression as a romantic badge of honor.

No, existentialism is babby-tier philosophy.

>>11044746
damn beat me to it

God the amount of pseuds on this board is pathetic

>>11046693
'no'

>>11046700
'pseud'

>>11046693
'kek'

>>11044746
>you may not like it, but this (plus roman laws) is, LITERALLY, what the foundation of western society looks like

>>11044627
>Hasn't read Schopenhauer.

>>11044979
The World as Will and Representation. The first 20 pages after the introduction could be a bit tought to get trough if you have no knowledge of Kant's metaphysics, but after that it's an easy-and marvellous- ride.

>>11047446
>Reading Schopenhauer
I haven't even read is encyclopedia pages. I'm sure they hold nothing of potential value.
Only psuedo-intellectuals actually read other philosophers.

>>11044613

alan watts said a goal of philosophy is to stop thinking about philosophy

>>11044613
>Aquinas
>Kant
>Kierkegaard
All you'll ever need

the meme trilogy

>>11044613
why do peopole even like schopenhaur? hes not that good and didnt say that much.

>>11047648
moralfag

>>11047628
then Nietzsche achieved it

>>11044735
That's definitely true. Philosophy is the melancholic approach to wisdom. The happy take Chad's way.

>>11047612
Only a psued would critique something he has no knowledge of.

>>11044613
No. The actual holy trinity is Max Stirner, The Unique One and Friedrich Engels (Max Stirner)

>>11047916
>Hasn't said that much.
You must be baiting.

>>11044613
That would be:
Peterson
Molyneux
Shapiro

>>11044701
none of them were virgins

>>11047612
>I haven't even read is encyclopedia pages. I'm sure they hold nothing of potential value. Only psuedo-intellectuals actually read other philosophers.

This is arguably the stupidest post I've ever read.

>>11047916
Agreed he was shit. Borderline anti-intellectual even, Chomsky tier refusal to engage with anything too complex

>>11049306
>>11048122
>falling for this
>so obvious it probably wasnt even meant to be bait

b

>>11044637
Hegel is just a glorified translator of Joachim

>>11048335
whomst is kant

>>11044746
>*unpaths your block*

>>11044701
Ayn Rand

>>11044746

This. And then on the next tier down you have Kant, Hegel and Kierkegaard.

>>11044663
In "On Schopenhauer as Educator" Nietzsche explicitly says 1 of 3 reasons that Schopenhauer was inevitably sad was that he was lonely. Actually lonely. Nietzsche goes on to describe what true loneliness is like--as you'd expect, it's having NOBODY. The other two reasons are because 1) he (schopenhauer) was ever on the cusp of genius and thinking about it, and 2) he played too much of the Platonic game back and forth.

>>11044613
No, but you are very close. Kant or Plato has to replace Stirner.

>>11044618
he's top 10 FOR SURE, top 5 MAAAAAYBE.

>>11044621
fuck it's a weird and great feeling loving and defending Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and even Weininger while being in a relationship with a girl that is sweet but doesn't read and really resembles Rosalind. (only ever of course bringing it up with about once or twice a week by saying, oh, that philosopher by the way thought this, what do you think).

>>11044746
this is pretty good.

>>11046693
and this--man, these lists are starting to seem pointless. Why am i here?

>>11044639
Probably correct. I'll never know. Ignorance is bliss

>>11044701
Camus was a ladies man, to put it mildly

>>11050965
Not a sad virgin but had unfulfilled rape fantasises

>>11044635

>>11044613

Aren't you forgetting someone?

>>11044639

>You have to miss out on huge and important parts of life that are inherently ingrained into human beings as necessities for happiness and fulfillment in order to have a full understanding of life

All those guys are like the philosophy version of a 12 year old really into linken park and hating his dad

Semi-related but what philosophers would you consider essential?

>>11052158
other than the greeks, obviously

>>11052158
Bible
Plato (rest of Greeks and Romans as well)
Montaigne
Shakespeare
Kant
Kierkegaard
Schopenhauer
Nietzsche

>>11051042
>>11044720
>>11044635
>replace stirner
le dropped

>>11051042
>>11044720
>>11044635
>replace stirner
le dropped

Test

>>11044613

>>11050699
Why did I laugh at this.

>>11044613
Holy Trinity of fucktarded meme philosophy maybe.

Kant, Hegel and Spinoza are the real Holy Trinity.

>>11051834
He said good philosophers not obnoxious French pseuds.

who /Nietzsche/Hegel/Heidegger/ here?

Neetchie isn't a philosopher, he's a literary figure. He doesn't really construct arguments and support them through reasoning, he paints pictures depending on his moods.

Kant Hegel Heidegger

>>11052455
He's at the boundary between art and philosophy, just like Novalis, Lao Tsu and other pseudo-mysticists.

>>11044701
Kant, Kierkegaard?

No. Where's Heidegger or Kierkegaard? Why the piss is Stirner on there? Schopes is also hugely overrated.

>>11044735
N dealt with this at length but was also a bit of a sad, lonely loser. Though surely you have to get laid at least once to die of syphilis right?

>>11047628
Heidegger said it without sounding like a complete and utter tool tbf.

>>11044735
Nah, they are happy because they haven't had to wrestle with existential dread, the nature of human cruelty and similar problems as much, meaning that they feel content because they believe that they have no need of the kinds of answers artists and philosophers search for. As an equivalent, you would be happier not knowing, not having to worry about sickness and death - until you are forced to deal with it. At that point that reality would come crashing down over your head, and you would be a complete emotional wreck, whereas someone who has dealt with these questions all their life would be relatively fine.

>>11052601
>Why the piss is Stirner on there?
welcome to /lit/, it doesnt get better...

>>11052379
This.

>>11044618
*then cries into a blanket while cuddling a bible*

>>11052379
Thank you. The amount of people on this board who parrot Neiztsche without having read Hegel is mind blowing.

>>11044613
Yes if you don’t care about the enormity of philosophy and want to stay with the most accessible shit there is that isn’t utilitarians

this place is so retarded

>>11051009
>Hegel
Even if he didn't receive a ruthless spanking by Kierkegaard (he did, just read Concluding Unscientific Postscripts), Hegel was mercilessly fisted by Thomas Carlyle. How anyone can respect Hegel in the current year is beyond me.

>>11044979
Very carefully.

>>11052158
>>11052159
Kant is essential, but to understand Kant, it really helps to have read:
>Descartes' "Meditations"
>Leibniz's "Monadology"
>Locke's "Essay"
>Berkeley's "Principles"
>Hume's "Enquiry"
and, if you want a breath of fresh air:
>Reid's "Inquiry and Essays"

After you read the above and the first Critique, your power-level will be over 9000 (that is, of course, if you started with the Greeks). You can then choose to read whomever you please, and understand it all.

>>11044701
Evola, nigga drowned in pussy so much he said that he had too much so he joined a sex cult (tantric) that only allowed sex for rituals for a bit

>>11044613
>Schopenhauer
Required reading for Nietzsche, but not part of the trinity. Switch with Heraclitus.

>Stirner
No. Switch with Antony Zyrmpas, who must be read after Baudrillard.

I'll show the holy trinity of neopolitics nowadays, and yes they have all written books

>>11053276
Heard his book was pretty good

>>11053276
>>11053333
quads never lie, and 12 is a magical number in religious and psychological though

>>11052555
This, except Lao Tzu was actually a hardcore philosopher — end-game stuff. Sucks that you can't talk about it (rules #1 and #2 of Tao)

>>11048126
>anarchist
>milk
>co-operative

>>11050699
p. good, anon

>>11054370
I don't think he was alone in being in that situation. What Nietzsche was getting at with the Dionysian mode of being, where 'the veil of Maya has been torn into pieces' was at the very least a similar scenario of 'how do you express the inexpressible', and same goes for Novalis trying to talk about the nature of God. Heidegger's 'fuck philosophy, who /poetry/ here?'' was based on this kind of insight as well. It almost seems like endgame philosophy always arrives at the conclusion that the kind of truth we are looking for can not be grasped, described, made believable simply by 'constructing arguments and supporting them through reason' as the other anon put it.

>>11044613

The trinity of idiocy.

>>11044636
>>11052661
>Geese Internet Defense Force.

>>11052117
Yes. Leave the cave and all its lucrative activities. Why do you think spiritual people willingly go against their base nature? What do you think they achieve with it? Going with your desires has you captivated in routines and loops - addiction, in other words. You can't even begin to fathom other possibilities, being stuck.

Asceticism has its merits. I can't be an ascetic because I lack most desires to begin with - there is nothing to take over.

>>11044618
Yes. Add in Heidegger and Plato.

As for geniuses, Kant, Tesla and Archimedes.