/lit/ - Literature

>>11039503
>implying thinking really hard is not good
>implying feminism is not a great thing
>not being a collectivist
>not dropping acid and doing amanita muscaria mushrooms because you’ve read Gravity’s Rainbow
>not having reckless sex
>not thinking passion is natural and healthy in some cases
Really made me think

>dude just turn your brain off

>>11039518
These are the things which I are destroying Western Civilization

>>11039525
Prove "Western Civilization" is worth saving

>>11039518
>blockhead couldn't detect the submerged part of the iceberg

>>11039503
>LOOK AT ME I TAPE HAIR ONTO MY CHEST TO MASK MY INFERIORITY COMPLEX

>>11039528
>dun care bout nuttin
You're living proof it isn't

>>11039503
I’m a not a native english speaker and I want to start reading Hemingway because he seems accesible from a ‘lenguage’ point of view. What order should I follow? I’ve read here in /lit/ that The Sun Also Rises is his best, so I might start with that

>>11039544
old man and the sea

>>11039536
>caring about the lives of a bunch of pasty anglos on ssri's and add medication

>>11039572

>>11039594
cute

>>11039503

>>11039544
Hemingway can be deceptively simple because his language is basic but there is a ton of subtext to pick up on. For example in the beginning of the Sun Also Rises the narrator meets a prostitute in a Paris restaurant and takes her with him to a party where she meets his friends, at one point she tries to make a pass at him but he turns her down, and she assumes it is because he has an STD. Hemingway never explicitly says she is a whore, the dialogue doesn’t show her asking him if he has a sexually transmitted disease, nor does he say that the narrator turns the prostitute down because he has a war injury that makes him impotent, but all this must be picked up from reading between the lines and inferring the meaning. That’s one of the easier examples I remember but there are many other situations like that in Hemingway were you perhaps have to understand the language games going on and how characters dance around things without actually saying them.

This is also why many beginning readers find Hemingway boring, because they don’t pick up on the subtext so it just looks like sparse sentences blandly describing two characters talking, with only occasional details given.

>>11039624
cope

>>11039638

This exactly. Just because Papa was a minimalist doesn't mean he was "rushing through the text." There's a lot in there (even the short stories) worth examining.

>>11039528
Jokes and everything else in my post aside, more respect for psychedelics might lead to a spiritual renaissance and many new insights into philosophy and psychology. I hate hippies but that was one thing they had an alright idea on.

>>11039638
Yeah, we used to have great Hemingway threads where we discussed this sort of thing. The Sun Also Rises was a /lit/ favorite.

Board has gone to shit

>>11039525
Jokes and everything else in my post aside, more respect for psychedelics might lead to a spiritual renaissance and many new insights into philosophy and psychology. I hate hippies but that was one thing they had an alright idea on.

>inb4 “fucking druggie what you experience on those drugs is just your mind malfunctioning and you hallucinating and being poisoned fucking retard”

>>11039544
Read his short stories. He's a better short story writer than novel writer.

The true red pill is there are no good American novels.

>>11039711
le impotent eurorage

>>11039640
>>11039647
That’s a shame. I’ve been here a little over a year so I think I missed out on the Hemingway threads completely.

Seems like around here everyone is only willing to read something once (or even just a couple chapters) before deciding it’s shit, and they refuse to admit that perhaps they just weren’t ready for it yet.

>>11039518
>thinking really hard
>feminism

>>11039673
Every time someone shitposts about how TSaR is “Nothing Happens: The Book” I die a little inside.

>>11039733
the hair splitting they do on the definition on gender and on the definition of women surpasses even the medieval philosophers in complexity

>>11039711
>two of the three meme trilogy books is from the u s of fuckin a

Hehe nothin personal yuropoors

>>11039503
Hackingway? Are you fucking serious? The guy who spawned every line of meme-advice parroted by dilettantes on the internet?
Hemingway isn't even the best American writer, and there's scarcely been an acclaimed Irish or English writer in history who wasn't better than Hemingway.

>>11039711
Say that to my face not online

>>11039638
good post

>>11039544
The Sun Also Rises, a handful of his stories, the Old Man and the Sea. Then you're done.

English got cucked by Nabokov.

>>11040773
Was going to post something similar.

>>11039728
There's a reason why The Old Man and the Sea is the first and last Hemingway book to read.

>>11039673
>>11039739
The 4chan of today is the reddit of tomorrow.
Rules 1&2 of the internet is founded on the movie Fight Club which is now deemed 'Reddit Incarnate'

>>11039638
Classic example of his iceberg theory

>>11039638
hurr durr

>deal with them, Hemingway

>>11039503
I'm imagining your life into old age if you inironically think this way irl.

>>11039525
the only thing destroying western civ is rampant capitalism and consumerism

>>11039544
start with a collection of his short stories, but yes the sun also rises is his best