/lit/ - Literature

>>11017000
Did you read his books?

Can't speak for /lit/, but my condescending amusement at his popularity comes from my personal background. My mother was a psychology professor at a respected university for most of her career, and the thought of taking her seriously on matters of geopolitics, economic theory, historical materialism, etc. is side-slappingly hilarious.
Being a psychology professor doesn't even qualify one to speak about all areas of psychology. Peterson shouldn't have any more attention paid to him re: Marxism or Nazism than a random guy off the street.

I would beat the shit out of you you fucking nerd.

All contrarianism aside, Peterson is imo one of the best influences out there right now. Nobody else is telling young people to get there act together, read Dostoevsky, Solzhenitsyn, the Bible and other classic texts.

Legitimate criticisms are that his understandings of Marxism and Postmodernism are pretty poor and his blanket condemnations of them unsophisticated, and that his fan base approaches Rick and Morty-tier.

Also people here like being contrarians against popular things. Historically speaking he's not a top-tier public intellectual, but he's among the better ones out there today.

>>11017000
Because /lit/ is full of fragile cishet whitedudes and Peterson spells that sort of mindset all too clearly. I.e. You have no real problems in your life and being asked to treat women PoC and queer people as human and recognize you may have it easy is enough to provoke an identity crisis.

>>11017000
> guys i swear he is not a self help guru!
> his self help guru stuff really helped me
also there´s a difference between a publicly held "deep intellectual discussion" and calling zizek a post-modernist on twitter you fucking brainlet

>>11017000
because hes literally telling you to do what your parents have been telling you all your life

clean your room
get a job
spend money

why do you need him to tell you what people have been telling your whole life

Here's a good take on why he's a hack:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

>>11017000
Hate is a stronger feeling than love, it even is more powerful

>>11017000
As a psychologist, he's fine. I like his videos on the topic.
As a self-help guru-- now that's the problem. His insights here aren't insightful at all, they're just Sunday-school tier truisms rebranded and marketed to an agnostic audience. Now, that's not a bad thing in itself either, the sad boy with a secular upbringing needs to get values from somewhere, but such an one tends to think: Genius! Which is far from true.
See >>11017040.

>>11017000
> Peterson is one of the most cited

wrong

>>11017000
He doesnt say anything interesting nor new. "The sun is hot, water is wet, bla bla bla bla bla." Only 10% of what he speaks it's of actual substance but already super known.

>>11017040
your parents can tell you to get a job and clean your room but Peterson tells you WHY you should get a job and keep your room clean

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all psychology is psued shit

>>11017056
Is the chad Foucault?

>>11017063
Why should you?

>>11017043
Great article, thanks anon

>>11017069
yes

>>11017058
it's bait

>>11017070
DUDE CHAOS LMAO

>>11017079
Great point.

>>11017000
>Why does /lit/ hate Jordan Peterson
But I don't.
Because no one installed the angloamerican mind virus!
Ah, it feels good being able to enjoy life.

>>11017012
A person is not their occupation. Your mom might be a very mediocre human but that does not necessitate Peterson is just because he held the same title.

>>11017070
to make ur brain work better and build a foundation of habits that will lead to the future you desire

He is just another self help speaker. No different than watching TedX and shit

>>11017000
Read his books, you'll see how he is a pseud and a hack.

>>11017000
>>11017000
>Why does /lit/ hate Jordan Peterson
But I don't.
Because no one installed the angloamerican politics mind virus in my brain and I don't care about this inconsequential stuff!
Ah, it feels good being able to enjoy life.

>>11017032
This take is so awful and opposite of the truth
it's amazing. Have you come here straight from tumblr?
>>11017040
I agree, but at the same time I understand that from him it makes more sense to a lot of people. When your mom says "clean your room" and doesn't give a reason, you don't want to do it. Petey gives a long-winded reason for cleaning your room that is enticing to some people.

I respect Petey and take his opinions with a grain of salt. His lectures and ideas first got me thinking about a lot of the things that interest me today (mythology, psych, history, etc). Not to be cliche, but he also helped me get on the right track to "cure my nihilism". He didn't solve all my problems, but he got me thinking, and I'm glad for that. Now, though, I watch him and he speaks so mystically and convolutedly about the simplest things I can't stand it. His books are painfully bad at some points when he tries to define his philosophical terms, and he never gives the same definition twice. He is a captivating speaker to some people, and used to captivate me too, but now I've kind of... moved on. Don't like his money-grubbing, either. He tried to sell a carpet with his stupid logo on it for $2k on twitter.

>>11017043
This is spot on

>>11017115
>https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
>>11017109
Ya this article mentions what I was trying to say when talking about his books. This is the best crit of Petey so far that I've seen.

>>11017109
>respect Petey and take his opinions with a grain of salt. His lectures and ideas first got me thinking about a lot of the things that interest me today (mythology, psych, history, etc). Not to be cliche, but he also helped me get on the right track to "cure my nihilism". He didn't solve all my problems, but he got me thinking, and I'm glad for that. Now, though, I watch him and he speaks so mystically and convolutedly about the simplest things I can't stand it.
Good God you write like a mentally handicapped down syndrome retard. It got me thinking it got me thinking it made me a thinken. I bet you use the word "insight" too, probably american as well.

>>11017135
Oh, that thou shouldst accept my deepest sorrows and remorse for offending thine fine taste in writing! I am but a mongrel cowering in your shadow.

Go outside thin-skinned cunt

>start watching one of his biblical lecutres
>"and these texts are... very old"
dilettante AND gnostic heretic, and to say he at least brings people to reading is literally rehashing the old JK Rowling argument

>>11017179
Why are people on 4chan suddenly religious? Did the fedora tippers evolve or move out or what?

>>11017188
just the natural flows of contrarianism that drive this place

>>11017043
I haven't read Maps of Meaning, but oh god those fucking diagrams destroyed my sides. "Anomalous information", "dragon of chaos" - people really take this shit seriously?

>>11017000
A Catholic criticism of his stuff is that his use of the bible as a source of wisdom and teachings is destructive to the Christian tradition, more destructive than atheism, since it goes one step beyond atheism by using Christianity as a tool rather than what it is, a manifestation of God and the infinite in the real world. My problem is that he does the same thing with literature, treating it as a tool rather than an expression of the soul.

He could be the best psychologist in the world, but his ideas on literature and Christianity are uninformed at best, and destructive at worst. He's treating sublime works of art like utilities to be used, like something to hammer out your stupidities and nothing else.

>>11017000
He's a braindead psychologist who pretends he knows anything about other fields (philosophy, for example)

>>11017000
The nutcase spent 14+ years on writing his book and writing up these insane diagrams whilst pretending to be "scientific"

He is a daddy to lost internet spergs

>>11017218
oh, they do. all under the guise of "but you just haven't understood him!" and things like near-biblical interpretations in order to understand a man that feigns that he is doing anything scientific

>be run of the mill theistic, capitalistic, and liberal prof
>get extremely popular among normalfags for trying to bring higher education to plebs and stiring up shit with the left
>While also calling the far right ridiculous

The fact that people are calling a licensed clinical psychologist and professor of psychology a "self help guru" and snake oil salesmen is ridiculous. He he does have legitimate advice on how to get your life together and deal with emotional issues on your life. That said, i think what pisses people off about him the most is that his political outlook is predicated on pathologizing other belief systems that go outside of his own subjective conception of the status quo.

>Oh you're a communist? It's because you lack control in your own life and want to control others.
>Oh you're a racist? It's because you're pathologically afraid of the unkown
>Oh you don't like capitalism? It's because you haven't learned how to properly compete in a free marketplace due to your upbringing.

>>11017290
Are you pathologizing the pathologizer?

>>11017075
>Foucalt
>Chad
>Not a sad bald pedophile getting fucked in the ass by strangers in bathhouses

Wew lad

>>11017302
Not really, I think he is trying to apply his trade into the realm of politics and philisophy which makes him seem disengenuous to casual observers

>>11017290
He is quite literally selling a self-help program for what, 30 bucks? He is a self-proclaimed self-help guru.

>>11017322
"Self help guru" , that term has negative connotations to it that implies what Peterson is telling people will improve their lives are lies he is selling them in order to make himself richer.

I don't think that's the case. Now dont get mad at me for the comparison (because is nowhere near this level) but it's like saying that Marcus Aurelius is a self help guru for trying provide a seminal work in the realm of Stoicism.

I see this less as him trying to fool people into some kind false program and more as him as a licensed clinical psychologist trying to provide knowledge on his area of expertise that can assist people, if that makes sense. So Peterson is not developing a large scheme or program to "help" people, he simply providing some knowledge and theories for people to help themselves

>>11017379
>will improve their lives are lies he is selling them in order to make himself richer.

Yes, they might be lies, or half-truths, or anything in-between. It does not follow that he isn't trying to make himself richer even if they were true.

>it's like saying that Marcus Aurelius is a self help guru

It is nothing like saying this, even if we disregard the evident gap in erudition between the two, as Aurelius' Meditations is a collection of scribbles out of his diary.

>simply providing some knowledge and theories for people to help themselves

As mentioned in the first bit, it doesn't matter if someone is helped, the ideas and "theories" can still be fallible. Peterson is not open to any critique and will deflect questions, will lie to make his point (i.e. channel4 interview where he claims more women are physicians than men, a blatant lie), and published a book that is largely idiocy written down by someone who feels like he is the next messiah (just read the letter he sent his dad).