/lit/ - Literature

>>11000945
>contemporary author you like

>>11000945
>Left-wing therefore wrong

>>11000957
/thread

>>11000945
>run of the mill beliefs aren't possible to be correct
>muh unique thought

>>11000965
>run-of-the-mill

>>11000969
Hey guys, Trump sucks!! Amirite??

>>11000977
That's unsurprising, considering how no intelligent person would ever believe that Trump has done a single good thing as a president and writing requires a lofty piece of brain.

>>11000957
>author

>>11000977
An excellent case of a belief that's both pleb and correct at the same time

>>11000957
>Not liking Celeste Ng

>>11001002
T. Let

try it with music,
so many fucking retards,
worst kind of pseudo left pleb bullshit.
all surface and signaling.

we're all equal until the Chinese buy all our land and import human waste

>>11000957
fpbp

>>11000945
We have reached an advanced literary Pravda stage; they have to or the jews who have taken over the publishing industry in white countries will shun or punish them. Whites should already know this.

I unironically lose all respect for artists when they express their political beliefs unless they are absolutely radical. I'm talking like "All maple trees should be gassed, return the Arborian Reich" level radical.

>>11000985
Trump is wrecking the postwar order and that's always a good thing in my book. If hillary had won we'd be living in a totalitarian yas kween slay kultmarx dystopia

>>11000985
He's keeping economic growth at 3% which is VERY good.

>>11002419
this. moderatist pussyfoot bullshit usually means the author is lacking the essential mental instability necessary for profound thinking

>when a genre-fiction author creates societies/races centered around a single political archetype
Like if you're going to write fantasy crap, why limit yourself so pathetically when you can write literally whatever you want? Perdido Street Station was horrible about this, and people actually praise it for its worldbuilding.
>there's these locust people, they live in a swarm and are communist n shit
>there's like these spider people, they live on top and pull the strings

>>11000957
this
21st century makes me wanna shoot up a school

>>11002518
reading a bit too much into what was mainly an economic/materialist depiction of a fictional city

>>11000957
>who is Houellebecq

>>11002566
do it

>>11002578
live in Europe, desu
if only

>>11002592
You guys have hunting rifles doncha?

>>11002577
i dont like him

>>11002566
If you feel this way you should seek help. If you don't want to seek help then you should kill yourself before hurting innocent people.

>>11002615
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society"
- पू इन लू

Don't kill innocent randos though. It's of no use.

>>11000945
>frogposting

There are no run of the mill left-wing political beliefs. There is no vocal left.
'dude workers lmao' isn't left wing.
You should be mad at centrists, who are disgusting.

>>11000945
>When a contemporary author you like expresses an overarching contempt for all political persons regardless of ideology.

>>11000945
>When an aristocrat author you like expresses their run-of-the-mill reactionary beliefs

> When you find out your good friend likes political comedty

>tfw slightly left of center political beliefs coupled with a comfortable bourgeois lifestyle is the final red pill

>>11002601
wow rude

>>11003053
>When your best friend became atheist after watching Bill Maher

>>11002922
>implying there are innocents

>>11003064
>slightly left of center political beliefs
Where is the center?

>>11003064

Focus on yourself, make your own life beautiful, read from the greatest minds that ever lived, have children, teach them to do same, and where possible use your vote to keep the barbarian hordes at bay.

That is all we can do.

>>11003216
Fuck off, alt-right retard.

>>11000945
>contemporary author you like

Stop reading Harry Potter. Read Ivanhoe instead.

>>11003311
I forgive you

>>11003347
All the way to the wire they will spit venom at us - all the while calling us the hateful ones.

>>11000945
>when an author shows the bare minimum of empathy and basic human decency

>>11003311
imagine being offended at that sentiment lol

>>11003103
Hard to say where it is at any given point in time, but here's one way to put it: It's been moving left since the end of the 1700s, it's to the left of where it was 20 years ago, so the smart money is that wherever it is now will be considered "right-wing extremism" in a decade or two.

>>11003356
muh barbarian mudslimes muh great grik men!!

>>11002467
Historically these deregulation schemes give the economy a short term boost and then once the feedback builds from up trigger a business cycle. Just wait a couple years and it will start taking again.

If he's lucky it will happen after 2020.

You have to render unto Zog, the Prince of this age.

>>11003416
Was that a real enemy from SoW?

>>11000971
This. Holy shit, I'll listen to literally anyone other than a run of the mill left winger.
Give me 10 communists before even one of these oblivious cunts.

>>11000965
Only the right wing can be right

>>11003064

>>11002577
When did based Houellebecq express left wing beliefs?

>>11000945
Most people don't want to be involved in politics or mention that there is anything wrong. They want to continue doing things they enjoy, so they just give in to whatever will continue to let them do that

>>11000945
>when a contemporary author is weak willed and weak minded sothat submits to the most popular political doctrine at the time in order to feel included and to ensure that they are not ostracized

>>11002467
>Protectionism and trade wars benefit the economy

>>11000945
>when you check the twitter of an author you like to find the typical 'fuck trump' narrative
>this does not annoy you because you think trump is a good president, it annoys you because they clearly show weakness and brainlet tier modern thought because they only hate trump for being white and fairly anti-immigration

>>11000945
>when an author you like fails to see the radical social upheaval there has been within the past 100 years and goes along with the 'fuck the alt right' crowd because doing anything else would interupt their happy clappy hedonism and make them sad

>>11000945
>when an author/person you like gets shit on by all popular 'twitter personalities' because the author makes them existentially depressed

>>11002461
>postwar order
Which was done away with till late 70s completely? He's trying to keep the neoliberal status quo alive. Now show your mental gymnastics and tell me that's not what he's doing or that what he's doing is actually good.

Leftism is so fucking banal at this point. There's nothing edgy, exciting, or original about any contemporary left-of-center idea. It just consists of pandering to current moral trends.

>>11003377
>muh great grik men
But that was the one sentiment in his post that was actually corrent

>>11003216
>and where possible use your vote to keep the barbarian hordes at bay

every single politician idolized by 4chan does exactly that, they might use rhetoric that imply the opposite but they just end up doing the same.

>>11002995
>There are no run of the mill left-wing political beliefs. There is no vocal left.
>>the left that can't be spoke of is not the true left
we have been moving towards the left for the last 300 years, progressives are progressives, conservatives are 10 years delayed progressives and traditionalists are 50 years delayed progressives.

if that's not left enough for you, you need to reexamine if your political ideology has any goals at all or it's simply the objectification of erosion and entropy

>>11003916
>they only hate trump for being white and fairly anti-immigration
I know right? Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton were demonized by everyone solely for the color of their skin, I don't have a persecution complex by any means.

>>11003932
Trump is a far from perfect boomer, but he's still an important stopgap for whites to keep us from being demographically swarmed and give us time to wake more of our people up until we can build the coalition necessary to expel the jew destroying our nations from within. Most WNs realize this and are long-term oriented. It took the jews 50-70 years to achieve their cultural coup and establish total control over our institutions and propaganda arms. It will take us just as much time if not longer to reverse what they've done and kick them out for the several hundredth time now. But it's an inevitability.

>>11003944
I meant in combination. Everyone saw him as a racist lol

>>11003944
>I know right? Bernie Sanders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Bro

>>11003944
>implying bernie or hillary were anti immigration
Oh yeah nice

>>11003946
These types of responses emanate such an amount of sincerity on some obscene dimension that you start to believe they are pure and unfettered opinions rather than goal moving shitposts.

>>11003956
Are you aware that jews have been expelled from 359 countries? There's nothing absurd about saying they will be again. In fact, there are few things more certain, you're simply living in a reality mediated by jews that minimizes their destructive nature and are under the false impression that they share your interests generally, when they hate you more than you could ever imagine. I'm not even judging you either, everyone who understands the jewish problem once thought the exact same way.

>>11003362
Depends on what you mean by left - labor was much stronger in those days, At one point we had a president that corresponded with marx, which would be political suicide these days.
Now, we've moved a great deal on social issues,perhaps,but it's not a linear 'getting more left' by any means

>>11003902
This is actually the only correct position to have. The individual is completely irrelevant in politics today; one must only strive to be left alone

>>11003963
You might just be baiting but I'll indulge you for a while, I don't have an opinion on Jews one way or the other, neither do I live in any country or space being manipulated by the Jews or the west. I just come here to laugh at the sheer mental gymnastics of an average reactionary who throws out big words like post war order without knowing what it means and thinks that Trump who's busy prolonging the life span of neoliberal status quo will somehow pave the way for a white ethnostate in America. It truly is hilarious to me that the retards I face in daily life are not fundamentally different from retards that are living 1000s of miles away. I guess we are all human species after all.

>>11003941
Interesting. I'm not sure, but it seems in the last 100 years we were moving towards less and less state ownership in the economy, for example.
I don't understand how something like the Democratic party is considered leftist. In what way are they leftist exactly? Open borders isn't a leftist idea, in fact there were and are still legit leftist parties that are against that, because it's effectively a purely capitalist free-market tool for cheap labor and "economic growth".

>>11003608
Yes, glitch in the matzo.

>>11004008
America was a de facto white ethnostate until 1965, when the jewish-led Hart-Celler Act passed:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/04/05/the-special-jewish-role-in-passage-of-the-1965-immigration-law-a-reply-to-abraham-miller/

And again, Trump is just a first step, regardless of your ability to think long-term and accept that the world does indeed change course. The strength to will it is all that matters.

>>11004030
>white ethnostate
>millions of blacks, Italians, Irish and jews

>>11004039
Blacks had no influence in anything. There weren't many jews prior to the 20th century either. Won't entertain the other thing. America was established explicitly as a white nation.

>>11000945
doesn't happen to me OP, maybe you just read the wrong contemporary authors

>>11002467
Growth was at 2.5% at the end of 2017 and has slowed as we've moved into the first quarter of 2018, not sure what it is as we've entered the 2nd quarter, but it was certainly below 2.5% and trending downwards. Of course, this doesn't actually matter because measuring growth quarter to quarter is short sighted. The Feds projection for 2018 was 2.7% the last I checked. I don't think this has anything to do with Trump btw it's just that his gaffes and him not even being able to sustain the stagnation of the current bourgeois economic predictions is a pretty clear indicator that he's not doing well by the elites own metrics. Trump is mostly irrelevant, the real problem is the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, like always in the grand scheme of things

>>11004048
That's all cool and all but why did you bring out the word postwar order. Do you know what people actually mean by that? And how is Trump serving the establishment paving the way for white ethnostate?

>>11004056
Why do retards think that growth actually represent affect on normal life at all? People should look towards HDI, average wage rates, GDP per capitalism and proportion of the wealth. This isn't even some sophisticated way of looking at economics, it's high school economics and how to read charts and statistics 101.

>>11004065
That wasn't me. There is a postwar jewish neoliberal order, though, and Trump is to an extent perpetuating it, even though his campaign was based around doing the opposite. That order is coming to an end, as he and many others realize, and nationalism, ethnic being the only kind, is where the future is headed, because it is the natural state of things. Trump represents civic nationalism, or the end of it, its last gasps, but he is only the beginning so literally no one expects him to usher in the reestablishment of the white American ethnostate, which will be a long-term, multigenerational endeavor. "Paving the way" at this point, the lowest point for American whites by far, simply means curbing the mudblood hordes and putting a few minor clamps on jewish power, which is itself a nearly impossible task given how entrenched their power is.

>caring about contemporary politics when it's all focus groups and poll oriented to comply with the masses

Ideas are better to spend time thinking about on instead of involving yourself in the awful discourse of politics today.

>>11003966
Liberal capitalism strewn with identity politics is not and have never been left.

>>11004107
>There is a postwar jewish neoliberal order, though
Neoliberal order, whether Jewish or not, didn't come out of post war period. It came out when first post war status quo, the Brettonwood's status quo came to an end in late 60s.
We also don't know if there's any feasibility to the idea of crawling back into the hole of Nation-State when both the capital, the wealth have transcended the boundaries of Nation-State and the state itself has no control over the moving capital and production. I don't really know how people actually aim to establish an economic order on the idea of nationalism and ethnicity in which they'll somehow prosper when the Apples and Intel's are still producing in third world forced labour camp and all your value is of consumer. And then there's also the idea of automatization, which further complicates the power over production and labour.
I really do think that the people who espouse the noble idea of ethnostate should have taken basic economics classes in their undergrad studies, provided they actually went to any universities.

>>11004281
you can't have always communism, once the bodies pile up too high, you need a buffer period of breath to grow the population before you start butchering them again and communism stops sounding like a bad joke, you can keep moving left socially though

>>11004281
It's left now,anon.
Contemporary Leftist have more radical identity politics than libs,and better sets of positions too.

>>11004322
The neoliberal status quo came about fluidly from the end of the war through the 60s and up to full might today, but it followed the concurrently fluid rise of jewish power, because that is what neoliberal globalism is a reflection of: the international jew.

As for the nation state, it doesn't necessarily have to be a reversion to that model, but a regional imperium model or something else that promotes the interests of white people instead of those of the international jew, who has no roots in the nation, no affinity toward the interests of its people, and is thus more than happy to promote or bribe leaders to promote policies that harm the nation and the people it serves.

Nationalism and the reassertion of racial identity as jews destroy our nations through these global policies and mass immigration is a natural reaction and the most effective way of combating this enemy for now. That is the forthcoming battle: the globalist jew vs. Whites who must remove the jew before it destroys us via these anti-white, anti-national policies.

>>11004389
>The neoliberal status quo came about fluidly from the end of the war through the 60s
What do you actually mean by neoliberal? First era of post war reconstruction had nothing to do with neoliberalism. It was sort of opposite.
And you still haven't answered how ethnostate will combat the idea of shifting capital and production and neoliberal order. In todays period of global capitalism, ethnicity has very little to do with economic power.

>>11003996
That's the attitude of a slave though, you cannot let bad things happen to the things you care about

>>11003351
EXCELLENT rhetoric my friend

>>11004512
I'm referring to the global capitalist system and an accompanying liberal ideology spread by the US as hegemon. This was allowed to begin taking shape after WWII as a result of who won and lost, though I am not even disagreeing with you since many of the economic policies representative of it did not come about until the 70s or later.

>ethnicity has very little to do with economic power.
Ethnicity has everything to do with economic power, and is in fact the largest indicator of a nation's economic potential.

But what I'm saying with regard to ethnonationalism and capitalism is that there are two forces or interests here: jewish internationalism and ethnic/white/European nationalism, with the former now trying to wipe out the latter. Since jews have been able to consolidate power in the west following the war they have pushed and created the incentives for white countries to adopt an international model. Various institutions and the usg enforce this model in the interests of international jewery and our own leaders have been coerced into adopting policies that advance it like free trade, free capital flow, the exporting of our industry to Asia, etc. But this is not some inevitable result of "capitalism." Capitalism can work in the interests of whites and white nations and did before. It simply isn't now because the tone-setting elite is comprised of jews who are hostile to whites and white nations. Pro-nationalist policies in white nations would promote a more autarkic model of capitalism in a place like the US, repatriate the muds let in in the post-65 jewish era, and perhaps enact a familial model of trade among white nations that promotes our people's collective interests instead of those of rootless, scheming jews.

>>11003938
'muh griks' is never correct.

>>11004039
italians irish and jews are white

I really hate this dude that keeps spamming lit about DA JUICEEEEEEE.

Nazis are myopic bores.

They cant comprehend the idea that the jews are only a facet of the capitalist system.

Its a willful ignorance to ignore that there are various other ethnic groups who have power such as the arabs, wasps, han.

i feel like you cant talk about white pride if you are some loser posting anime on an imagebaord. You have no depth as a human being. You shouldnt seek to be abnormal. You should seek to have a wife, kids, a job.
The type of people who post on pol or embrace that sort of thing would be purged post revolution. These people lack impulse control and are incapable of Knowing when to turn it off. They also are usually giant bores, have no depth as a human being, and only know struggle.

Its why they are so prone to self destruction.

>>11000977
As someone with investments, everytime he talks about Syria or trade wars I lose money. The market was better under Obama.

>>11000945
Marlon James makes me feel this way. Great exciting books, but then he whines all day about race, as if white people actually care.

>>11000977
Yes you are.

>>11004730
Looking at one of my accounts with index funds, I would say that your statement is false.

>>11004620
>I'm referring to the global capitalist system and an accompanying liberal ideology spread by the US as hegemon. This was allowed to begin taking shape after WWII as a result of who won and lost, though I am not even disagreeing with you since many of the economic policies representative of it did not come about until the 70s or later.
Brettonwood system didn't really have anything to do with liberal market policy, it was exactly the opposite. A controlled monetary system with America being at the top because of heavy war profiteering during WW 2. America realized that it needed a global system so that it can keep being a surplus Country after the war ended. That is why they helped in the reconstruction of the Europe and Japan (on their terms) so that it can be the ultimate hegemone. By the late 60s the America exhausted its surplus and was on the verge of becoming a deficit country and it embraced that position. The American economy of now works because America accepted the role of being a surplus black hole. Your economy works because you people take hefty loans from the banks and credit card company to buy a house, a car, a 55 inch 4k ultra tv. The money is provided by rest of the world via investment in Wall Street. The whole of world provides because of American military spendings. You stop this mechanism, you may just crash the world economy and be crushed under the weight of unimaginable deficit. You are right that in that neoliberalism is the cause of this but inciting something and withdrawal from something are two very different things. If the shift of production and centralisation of Capital hadn't occurred during neoliberal period, it would have been a different situation altogether, the state of things would have been completely different but that has occurred, it changes the landscape.

>>11000965
Run-of-the-mill left in 2018 automatically means wrong

>>11004644
Jews are not white.

>>11004657
>jews are only a facet of the capitalist system.
Jews are the main aspect of the current global capitalist system. You are failing here because you don't understand that the ideology of non-jews who go along with this jewish system is a reflection of the jewish ideology that has been projected onto them. They think they are working in their own interests by selling out their own people and nation and furthering the global system, but this is because that belief system has been implanted in them. It's not their own.

Think of it this way. Assuming you're white, your ancestors literally worshipped a jew and followed a jewish religion for centuries. Christianity wasn't their own belief system, it did not come from their culture; it came from jews. Post-60s liberalism is no different than Christianity in what it promotes: that whites have to lift up and convert the world to gay rights and feminism and on and on, and that we are sinners due to our racist past and must repent and make up for this by allowing everyone into our countries. The slightest bit of logic and a moral step away makes this long-term strategy in terms of white interests nonsensical because it is unless you understand that the only interests our destruction serves are those of jews.

The jew is a parasite. It clings to a host, promotes its interests from the top down by coercing the elite, blends in through crypsis, then it becomes that elite and projects its interests onto the hoi polloi, who then repeat the slogans and advance the interests of this foreign group thinking the ideas being conveyed are their own when they are not.

>>11003377
Oh, the barbarians are every colour.

>>11003946
Why do you think that the subversion of the west only started 70 years ago? The state of modern society has been an ideal held by some for at least 300 years. This is why you can't trust nationalists, it is an inherently plebeian ideology and so most of its rhetoric is quite simple-minded.

>>11006065
The post didn't imply that.

>>11004934
Am I the only one who doesn't pay attention to posts like these? Like, I see the word 'Jew' and tune out completely. It doesn't matter if they're being supportive of Jews or deprecating them.

Same thing with right/left dichotomies in general. If the poster is expressing himself in an overtly republican/democrat way, I just tune out the post completely.

>>11003941
>we have been moving towards the left for the last 300 years,
False. You're painfully delusional.
>muh status quo
Consider suicide.
You have no clue what leftist politics are. Frankly, you shouldn't be allowed to speak.

>>11003064
don't forget having one child and at least two dogs, and both parents being employed full time

>>11006216
Are you planning on venturing out of your simulated Harry Potter universe any time in the future, or is it just too warm and cozy in that deluded realm where jews aren't destroying your society?

>>11004517
You have no power to protect what you love, child. Only the illusion of it. Your life and your death are determined by the whims of the ignorant mobs and a handful of depraved ultrarich. Anything you do to try and escape this reality is merely a waste of time and energy. And it all leads to frustration and suffering.

Be a slave, but a wise one. Everyone wishes to be Spartacus, except when fate meets them at Silarius

>>11000945
>when an artist/author/intellectual you admire supports Trump
has literally never happened.

>>11007242

That's because you are a bad person. Do you know that?

>>11006254
>the left that can be spoken of is not the real left

>>11000945

>>11002566
do a flip

>>11007242
Is there any intellectual who supports Trump? And I mean actual intellectual

what's with these tard threads where people bemoan leftist thought. leftist thought is literally the stance that allows non-aristocrats to take part in civil society, beyond being serfs to the aristocracy.

loony bin leftism isn't liberalism. that's its own kettle of fish. lumping leftism in with "wear a rainbow dildo as a hat and call mundane acts like walking down the street brave" is the same as lumping conservatism in with "children should be forced to memorize the bible and we should stone the gays".

i don't understand how it's possible that when literally all human knowledge is a few keystrokes and a couple of clicks away, everyone chooses to deafen themselves in their own echo chamber. make some fucking friends from the other side. if you can't name one person who is a personal friend whose political outlook clashes with yours, you are the cancer that is killing the west.

>>11000985
I liked the idea of a Trump-esque option - an outsider, going in and exposing Washington rats - back in 2015/2016. I still do, honestly. But Trump's presidency has turned out to be underwhelming, if not a disappointment. Same business as usual, hardly anything special, kicking the can down the road, and he's sided with/bent over for all the people he called out on the campaign trail.

>>11001732
>The Jews are worse than my own people.
kek

>>11003351
Why can’t you faggots come up with some original phrases. I’ve seen that one about five thousand times. It also shows you’re only a leftist because it makes you feel superior to others.

>>11009095
>what's with these tard threads where people bemoan leftist thought. leftist thought is literally the stance that allows non-aristocrats to take part in civil society, beyond being serfs to the aristocracy.
why would you want literal plebs taking part on anything though?

>>11009076
zizek

>>11009076
me

>>11009057

>>11009095
>"children should be forced to memorize the bible and we should stone the gays"
You say this like it's a bad thing

>author's deepest emotional experience and transformative turning point was another book

>>11009095
>name ONE friend
They can't.
/pol/ should be rounded up and put in those "summer camps" rumored to have taken place in the 40s

>>11004657

>>11004657
When, as an individual, you lack any superior qualities, you need to resort to 'muh white race superior IQ lol im just like michelangelo and caesar amirite??' to feel better about yourself

>>11009057
>>11009397
Stop mindlessly worshipping your ends of the political dichotomy. Read some actual literature and discuss it rather than shitting this board up with your fucking stupid memes and anime girls.

>>11009095
>leftist thought is literally the stance that allows non-aristocrats to take part in civil society, beyond being serfs to the aristocracy.

Your idealism needs to be taken out back and given the shotgun treatment. Jews are now our alien aristocracy and they used this notion of lifting up everyone else as a way to pad their power against white men rising up and taking those positions of power back.

It was a scam. White people got swindled and now we have to kick the jews out again. Stop being so naive.

>>11006216
yes i usually read the first 1-2 line and when the usual words start popping off i just skip it

>author refuses to get political with his writing
>people fucking boo him for not taking a side

>tfw the entire artistic class is politically homogenous nowadays
Makes for quite a dull world.