/lit/ - Literature

he didn't lose his edge, he just stopped appealing to your deleuzian lib-left sensibilities

Tfw no new Nick Land content
Tfw barely any Jacobite content at all

>>10832232
I don't remember him ever appealing to any sort of lib-left sensibilities at any point.

>>10832183
he stopped doing drugs

>>10832242
>Tfw no new Nick Land content
>not realizing his Twitter is his content

I believe it's called Amphetamine Psychosis

The person you knew as Nick Land is dead, and he openly admits as much.

is he a psychopath? what exactly motivates him?

>>10832183
Guys where do i find a copy of Fanged Noumena?
It seems extinct

>>10833212
be a cyberpunk and read the pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/arena-attachments/406213/42bdb859549f609953a0ca61aca0bee3.pdf

>>10833116
Well I think he's right on most of what he's saying. What part are you having issue with

>>10832242
hi rob

>>10833409
hi mark

>Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual chinese-latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude. Blitzed on a polydrug mix of K-nova, synthetic serotonin, and female orgasm analogs, you have just iced three Turing cops with a highly cinematic 9mm automatic. The residue of animal twang in your nerves transmits imminent quake catastrophe. Zero is coming in, and you're on the run.
the dude was like a modern day Dostoevsky

>>10833472
https://genius.com/6318607

>>10832242
Sign up on patreon. They say they'll have 2 posts a week once they hit $450 a month

>>10833632
lol nice try shill

>>10832183
>all typical alt-right bullcrap.
>He has lost all his edge somehow

>>10833647
I am shilling for it. Really enjoy their content.

>>10833677
Yeah, nothing groundbreaking about that you fucking twerp. You can't be mentally older than 16 if you think you're being subversive

Nick Land is literally so globalist he's went full circle and become alt-right. Read Deleuze and Foucault. Foucault was literally alt-right.

>>10833746
Land's alt-right shit is groundbreaking you dumb fucking sensitive faggot. Iq may be faulty, g is not and g is as close as we will ever get to a measure of general intelligence. Why not go to Sudan and see how intelligent the cattle raiders are anon? Why not go to Polynesia and see how intelligent the fruit picking day laborers are? you think they can do quantum physics?

>>10833746

>>10832183
nick land is basically a boomer libertarian now, honestly the libertarian strain of neoreaction you get out of him seems to be more about trying to be as antihuman and "mean" as possible out of a sense of resentment toward a failed society rather than a serious governance model

>>10832183
>>10832538
>>10833677
Wasn't Nick Land one of the first reactionaries behind the Dark Enlightenment movement? I know it wasn't alt-right at first perse, but neoreactionaries tend to lean towards being traditionalists and a lot of them become race realists as well. Maybe it's a product of the massive demographic change and also the backlash against the SJW meme in recent years, but I don't see where he drastically changed desu.

>>10833805
>rather than a serious governance model
Land was always against praxis as he viewed the dawn of super-AI inevitable. But years ago he took drugs and wr9te some cool stuff. Now he's retweeting minion memes

>>10833830
I sympathize with neoreaction on some level but I don't see super-AI coming to save us. It just seems like a cop-out attempt, we've hopefully realized that trying to outsource governance to a piece of paper (so liberalism, even "mean liberalism") doesn't really work, since leftists can just re-interpret what the law means. Somehow outsourcing governance to a computer (super-AI) will fix this and stop leftward movement, meanwhile we have new thinkpieces daily about how AI is racist. I don't think it's going to save us, but on the bright side, since it's been proclaimed racist, at least Power is concerned about it.

>>10833814
alt right is a dumb buzzword just call him racist
traditionalist is meaningless
race realist lmao just say racist

>he didn't make a single dime off crypto currencey

>>10833848
>tfw neoreactionaries are all bitcoin maximalists
Sad. I guess they just hate money.

>>10833844
t. /leftypol/

>>10833886
Land definitely isn't traditionalist though. He's also a Chinese supremacist basically which to me is a bit of a strange position to hold if you come into contact with the Chinese on a regular basis. Literally a nation of scammers.

>>10833577
I need casper to annotate the entirety of fanged noumena

>>10833908
sinofuturism isnt really chinese supremacy. my intuition would be that he thinks their commitment to technology (and apparent ability to produce it) will straighten them out over time.

>>10834039
I guess, meanwhile China leads the world in scientific papers retracted per capita due to academic fraud. In STEM academia we basically have to discount Chinese (subject!) GRE scores because it is well known that they cheat, not to mention the fake credentials.

>>10832183
I hate that this pic is all we have. It portrays him as some young smug intellectual, when in reality he's a jaded 55 y/o.

>>10834058
>>10832183

>>10834046
yeah but at least theyre vying to get ahead as opposed to throttling themselves

>>10834039
>>10834046
Soulless hivemind asians are incapable of inventing or creating anything original that isn't garbage.

>>10834064
>tfw arguing with this guy about the JQ on twitter

>>10834067
Nah, literally anyone but the mainland Chinese are alright. Most Japanese, Koreans, Viets, etc. I know are fine. It's just the Chinks.

>>10834069
Land's philosemitism is kind of embarrassing desu but I think he has a Jewish wife so it's understandable. Many such cases!

>>10834070
afaik the Japs are the only ones who seem to be *somewhat* capable of real creative genius, but then there is a theory that a group of Jews somehow migrated to japan a long time ago, so... It might just be attributable to some specks of the central european / northern italian genes that spit out super geniuses every once in awhile (no other race makes 150+ IQs besides europeans)

>>10834096
Maybe it's because the Japanese are less clan-oriented and have a higher-trust society. Pretty sure it's not Jews. Most Jewish "creativity" is just shitting on something Western in one way or another, anyway.

>>10834101
The Jews we are probably talking about are essentially just Italians with yamakas. They intermarried with Italian aristocracy, and the wealthy for more than a millenia. Unintentional eugenics which accounts for the higher than average intelligence, along with their propensity for scholarly pursuits which is built into Judaism.

I'd say his writing skills have dipped a fair amount; even old email archives of his messages (around 1994) are more articulate. I'll hold my breath until the next publication though

>>10832183
>I dont give a fuck about IQ tests Nick
you've been extremely memed if you don,t care about IQ tests

I swear the people on this board choose what they believe based on if they think it will make them fashionable

>>10834139
hegemony is inherently unstable

>>10834151
is that supposed to be a refutation

>>10834139
yeah IQ discussions can get droll fast, but its annoying that people continue to protest it. the sooner the science is settled, the sooner people can move to more interesting topics without being hampered by naivety

>>10834070
>koreans

>>10834257
>the sooner the science is settled

>>10832183
He became and old scared faggot.

>>10834297
Why would a scared person choose to piss off and alienate themselves from all mainstream western insitutions by being openly racist

>>10832434
This. the dope fried his brain, drove him insane, and he wound up being institutionalized in France for treatment. Now a practicing schizophrenic. It killed his intellect.

>>10834249
no brainlet, what im saying is that the rejection of iq tests is part of a hegemonic purity spiral into oblivion fueled by strivers. fashionability ruins strains of thought.

>>10834096
Half Japanese, Half northen italian.
Am I master race?

>>10833632
I would, but I have no $$$

>>10834338
>dope
He did heroin? sounds hardcore

>>10834357
>mixed race anything
subhuman garbage

>>10833229
The father's law: 'don't touch your mother.'
The mother's law: 'don't play in the tombs.'
K codes for cybernetics.
Bataille incinerates the soul, and is impossible to
endure. You either die or go somewhere else. Or both.
Clicking on the K-war icon jacks you straight into hell.
On all fours, out of your face, mumbling imploringly:
'let me be your lab animal'. You're losing it.
Collapse into now. Time-zero.
You have been dumped into a heterogeneous patchwork
of criminal experiments converging upon decapitated
social formations. This is where base materialism
intersects cyberpunk, FUCK TOMORROW scrawled on
the walls.
Five candles thicken nocturnal space.
Dimensionality warps.
Modernity invented the future, but that's all over.
In the current version 'progressive history' camouflages
phylogenetic death-drive tactics, Kali-wave: logistically
accelerating condensation of virtual species extinction.
Welcome to the matricide laboratory. You want it so badly
it's a slow scream in your head, deleting itself into bliss.
Burnt meat dangling from the electrodes. Crashed
suicide fragments into occult impulses ...
In the place of a way forward they deliver a hypermedia
product, telling you it's about Georges Bataille. You can't
see the connection. Why the helicopters, artificial bodyparts,
and manically dehumanized machine-music? There
is some confusing material on the cybernetics of vomiting.
Obsessive reruns. Text decays into the mutagenic fall-out
from virtual thermocataclysm. Trying to to make something
out of Bataille never works. Or maybe it's the drugs.

This is insane, and I love every bit of it. God I wish it were still in print.


>>10834078
Get with the times asian gf's are so passe. Jewish girls as /lit/ as it gets my dude

>>10834539
>Jewish girls as /lit/ as it gets my dude
i want to hate fuck the thin, dark, stylish ones with big breasts and small noses

>>10832183
I could beat him in a debate.

>>10834565

>>10832183
>he makes my indoctrinated ideology-conscientious self uncomfortable
>HE LOST HID EDGE!!

>>10834096
>no other race makes 150+ IQs besides europeans
Hmm

>>10834101
>Most Jewish "creativity" is just shitting on something Western in one way or another, anyway.
Ooof... you're gonna have a bad time if you read about Jewish representation in, say, nuclear physics.

>>10835440
he means caucasoids, caucasoids and mongoloids are the only intelligent races and of them really only: Whites, Jews, East Asians, ruling class Indians, Persians are intelligent, also white Hispanics to a degree. All other humans you can count on being useless intellectually.

>>10834304
You do realize you're surrounded by a whole website of such lepers, right?
I hope you were being rhetorical.
not the op.

>>10833843
>but I don't see super-AI coming to save us
Have you read Nick Land? Super-AI isnt going to save us, but to take over. It sent capitalism from the future to slingshot itself into existence and now that global capitalism has reached escape velocity there are only 2 choices: embracing Gnon or going back to monkey business

>>10832434
>>10832535
>>10834338

>not just taking cerebrolysin or NSI-189 and repairing that shit

>>10834096
>entire culture stolen from chinks
>famous nip companies got their start making inferior knock off consumer goods

>>10835743
And here I was thinking my diet of piracetam and choline made me some super sicck biohacker.

Where the fuck can I cop some of this shit?

>>10835872
there are a number of online russian vendors for cerebrolysin such as cosmicnootropic. You've got to go asking around on longecity if you want NSI-189 though.

>>10834539
>>10834565
I want to BDSM torture cute hot dumpy Jewish boys with curly hair

>>10834096
Any source on that? I'm a northern italian/alpine 150iq genius. What differentiates us from other geniuses is our impeccable fashion sense.

>>10836144
Well people have moved around so much at this point an extraordinary genius could be born almost anywhere, although it is my little theory that most of them have roots back to ancient italy (roman).
Civilization accelerates IQ development, as well as other things like planning (winters) and literacy. Rome & greece particularly had all of that longer than the rest of europe, at some point southern italy and greece were infected to no insignificant degree by other genes, which is why at some point you get the best concentration right around northern italy (which spreads into the rest of europe/the americas and basically everywhere in current time).
I am specifically talking about people who aren't just geniuses but super geniuses (150-220+) , I don't believe the genes for it could originate anywhere else.

>>10836144
>>10836180
Thanks for the broscience

>ITT Jacobite Rob advertising

There is at one point in intellectuals life where he reaches his peak, before the advent of his meridian and the fading away of his powers.

That peak can be turned into ways, that of the subversive and that of the state philosopher. Think about where Hegel, Derrida, Habermas, and Heidegger stood and where people like Land, Nietzsche and Karl Schmitt stand.

There is nothing more to be said, in truth we have seen nothing yet.

>>10835485
yeah but being a leper is still far less comfortable than not being one. Congregating among other lepers doesn't really change that

>>10836180
total pseudoscience, please stop

>>10837075
t. anglocuk

mfw there will be a public debate between the "two most influental and radical philosophers of our time" Peterson and Zizek, and the large part of the internet will never get to hear the interesting things Land has to say.
Just for one moment imagine the reactions if Nick Land gives a straight and clear talk about his views on things. The butthurt.

We all have dreams.
But dreams do not come true.

How is Land and ex CCRU actually treated in academia? Brassier is kind of present after all.

>>10837328
I don't know about in academia specifically but at large it seems intelligent people who encounter his work range from calling him satan to becoming completely mystified. Despite some of the things he has said which would usually be classified as "extremely racist" by "the cathedral" in general he seems to just get by with them anyways, it is definitely a unique case.
There are probably only a few hundred people in the world who have actually even come close to understanding his work.

>>10837364
fuck Moldbug forever for calling something originating with Protestants and Jews 'the cathedral'

>>10837364
Neoreaction in general seems to, bizarrely, get a pass. I think it's a combination of neoreaction having intellectual weight behind it and obscurity; the cathedral can't really come up with a neat little box to pigeonhole it into so morons don't have to think.

Consider that the only mainstream slander Moldbug got hit with was a small hitpiece in some literally-who-cares rag that slandered him as a "slightly racist monarchist". The article was of course referring to a piece Moldbug wrote where he said that Africans were biologically inferior, that Jews needed to be removed from society for it to prosper, and that global warming was a "criminal hoax".

>>10837368
Well I think the analogies work better when you use catholic vocabulary, you know heresy (racism), inquisition (the tireless work of the twittersphere to destroy the lives of any wrongthinker) etc.. and it just works better than 'The church'

>>10837382
Moldbug would never say that about Jews, he is Jewish and insists that they have nothing to do with this 'cathedral' thing, but that all the Jewish people involved are actually crypto-secular-Protestants

>>10837384
He drew his entire theory from the Protestant dissenters though, specifically the Puritans in the New England colonies. That sort of social theocracy is a very different thing than the Catholic church

>>10837392
I have a lot of both catholic and protestant family here in n.e. and you know they pretty much seem the same to me. No one really takes the technicalities or history of the religion very seriously, in the end they just vote for whoever the teevee tells them to and celebrate christmas together.

>>10837413
I realize that is true now, and the Catholic church may as well be dead, but Moldbug's entire version of history is that Puritan NE took over Earth through an out of control purity spiral combined with rising American power.

We are all Puritans now or whatever.

>>10837364
I actually talked to a metaphysics professor at my uni (one of the best phil programs in the us) and he had no idea who he was. i doubt he has reached many people yet.

>>10837459
>associating yourself with Nick Land in a US university
I would seriously avoid that anon

>>10834078
Philosemitism is the only response to the JQ. Alt right victim politics me want ethnostate because black guys have deep voices is pathetic and really just a way for unworthy whites to self-marginalize. Globalism will force whites and all humanity into a brutal meat grinder of capitalist excess from which the next stage of our techno evolution will emerge. Antisemites are just scared babies who know they will be part of the obsolete 99%. Jews hurdle recklessly into the future knowing they will survive, transformed but still extant. whiteness will survive in some sense too but alt righters are merely working to diminish their share of our descendants' patrimony in the long term.

>>10837461
not that guy but ive linked a couple professors to him
i dont give a fuck about my """professional""" life

>>10837465
this is kind of true but jews are physically revolting so i dont want to be around them + the dumb ones are crowding out smart whites b/c market failures make nepotism ok.

>>10837465
>Alt right victim politics me want ethnostate because black guys have deep voices is pathetic and really just a way for unworthy whites to self-marginalize.
Well, people don't want to live around blacks, mestizos, Arabs, etc. because they kind of suck.

>Globalism will force whites and all humanity into a brutal meat grinder of capitalist excess from which the next stage of our techno evolution will emerge.
Technological evolution requires a critical mass of high-IQ people and a functioning society that can divert resources to research and can turn them into goods. "techno-evolution" and "meat grinder" don't go together. Hard to have techno-evolution when your national IQ is plummeting and resources have to be diverted towards caring for billions of Africans. This is like an autistic right-wing inversion of "The workers of the world have no country". To even say "hurr global capital did this" is retarded - the immigration problem is far closer to a religious crusade by progressives than a necessity dictated by historical materialism.

>whiteness will survive in some sense too but alt righters are merely working to diminish their share of our descendants' patrimony in the long term.
Yes, somehow creating tons of las creaturas won't diminish the share of our descendants' patrimony in the long term.

>>10833472
>Blitzed on a polydrug mix of K-nova, synthetic serotonin, and female orgasm analogs, you have just iced three Turing cops with a highly cinematic 9mm automatic. The residue of animal twang in your nerves transmits imminent quake catastrophe. Zero is coming in, and you're on the run.

Is that Land or Gibson?

>>10837474
You haven't been around many jews. It's obvious they are the masterrace if you talk to enough
>knowledgeable about academia
>knowledgeable about other world views
>participate in high culture
>independent thinkers

Only down side is that they tend to be merciless from my experience

>>10837592
Jews are completely incapable of self-criticism, they become hysterical at the mere mention of negative things about their people.

>>10837592
i went to an ivy league college
i know more about jews than i ever wanted to

>>10835447
>Not knowing about Jewish physics
Damn this place is pretty basic bitch

>>10835447
You know things like arxiv exist right? Jews can participate in the scientific community from the comfort of Israel.

nick land interview 1997

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp5qeX6hx6Q

>>10834565
I actually wouldn't mind a Jewish girl

>>10837819
Is there a version without the bullshit editing?

>>10838248
>not liking the aesthetic of neo china
you are unworthy of the next level

>>10838292
Deliberately making him harder to understand is anti-accelerationist.

>>10838332
Its just to get used to the sound of the machinic overlords, whose arrival we await in duly anticipation.

>>10838343
Alright daddy

>>10838354
I am not your real dad, you are on of the first science babies and were created in an artificial uterus, made out of goat intestines.

>>10835448
>caucasoids and mongoloids

>>10834139

>>10832183
IQs are a nice filter to have on hand. People that score high on them aren't necessary worthwhile but people who score lows on them are always useless idiots.

>>10834067

Gunpowder and movable type would like a word with you. Ice cream says hello.

>>10838409

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/20/modernitys-fertility-problem/

Societies select against high IQ though, so from many other points of view IQs are such a good filter that they end up filtering higher-ups as well.

>>10838448
>gunpowder
they made sparklers
we made actual guns, cannons, machine guns, rockets, I could go on
>moveable type
they literally made stamps for there incredibly innefficiant language
we made a mechanical printing press and spread literacy around the world like wildfire
>ice cream
I don't know anything about that but I'm just going to assume it is a similar story as above

>>10838467
*their , fuck I really need to read what I type here

>>10838375
that is what he meant, that’s the easiest way to classify those people for social discourse. no one is claiming they’re scienticic categories you twit

>>10838474
you need to stop repeating stupid shit from /pol/ and american enterprise institutes you dumb fuck. Japan patents more inventions than America per capita, contributes more to molecular biology than America and has a higher standard of living, China, no matter how many papers are retracted, outperforms America in biotech and physics now. Fucking end yourself. You can gesticulate and cry about theft but they simply outperform whites in every intellectual endeavor worth a damn. get used to asians dominating the forbes 400

>>10838497
Sounds like a thank you for the printing press and internet is due, and yeah they steal every idea worth a damn, thanks for pointing that out.

>>10838467
Sparklers > guns and rockets
It’s more ethical to let disease control pop. That start megadeath wars

Moveable type> you may have a point, but your lack of understanding of the ice cream reference makes me realize that literacy has been lost on you.

>>10838497
>get used to asians dominati---

https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21698240-it-question-when-not-if-real-trouble-will-hit-china-coming-debt-bust

>>10838531
Please enlighten me on why I should give a fuck about ice cream, also pic related is the best ice cream in the world and clearly not chinese.

>>10838531
>sparkers > guns and rockets

no wonder this fucking guy wants to suck some commie chink dick, bernie voter too

>>10838539
You can go back over the past 30 years and find articles annually predicting the immediate collapse of China every single year. The economic press is extremely retarded and has a horrible track record, maybe it's cognitive dissonance.

>>10837382
(((neoreaction))) BTFO
http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/

>>10838634
This article has a preface stating:

I no longer endorse all the statements in this document. I think many of the conclusions are still correct, but especially section 1 is weaker than it should be, and many reactionaries complain I am pigeonholing all of them as agreeing with Michael Anissimov, which they do not; this complaint seems reasonable. This document needs extensive revision to stay fair and correct, but such revision is currently lower priority than other major projects. Until then, I apologize for any inaccuracies or misrepresentations

>>10838463
idk man, theres as much evidence for flynn effect as against it

>>10838644
it still debunks all their fake statistics, the world is getting better in 9 out of 10 ways

>>10838653
the guy is saying himself he was wrong lmao.

Look I'm not even a reactionary but they are objectively right on the crime stuff. People used to hang for stealing stuff

>>10838653
You didn't read the replies did you? Alexander later admitted the world wasn't "getting better" nearly as much as he thought.

>>10838600
They are only wrong until they are right, at some point a mathematics problem becomes a physics problem. It isn't just china, half of the world has sucked the blood out of the corpse of the future.
I think somewhere, maybe in the dark enlightenment, land insinuates that people stocking up on guns, dry food, and precious metals are basically the only sane ones around.
While we have been buying up china's natural resources (with their own money, quite a scam we have going) ours (the west, especially u.s. of a.) have locked ours away in national parks and haven't even tapped them yet; both sides are fighting in a preliminary and quiet obscure war for Africa, but in the end I would bet on the united states, the empire is still young after all.

>>10838683
>Nick Land being the arbiter of others' sanity

>>10838645

Idk either, it is however a recent trend that more and more data being collected is concluding the effect is facing a reversal for many specific cases (e.g https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001336))

>>10838666
I'm pretty sure he now deeply regrets writing that article, it was one of his earliest posts and he barely did any detailed research, it was pretty embarrassing for him at the time.

>>10838634
Oh my god, the Jane Grey bit is so fucking bad, he's actually pretending like she was innocent.

>>10832183
Is there this machine somewhere that cranks out Jordan Peterson clones once a generation because they got bored of cloning Hitler or something

>>10837819
>nick land interview 1997
no way he is 35 in that video

>>10838634
literally steven pinker
scott is getting woker though

>As sino-pacific boom and automatized global economic integration crashes the neocolonial world system, the metropolis is forced to re-endogenize its crisis. Hyper-fluid capital deterritorializing to the planetary level divests the first world of geographic privilege; resulting in Euro-American neo-mercantilist panic reactions, welfare state deterioration, cancerizing enclaves of domestic underdevelopment, political collapse, and the release of cultural toxins that speed-up the process of disintegration in a vicious cycle.
Is this the most accurate prediction of the future (the present) ever? More accurate than Children of Men. It's from '97.

>>10839305
yeah it's quite good. much of that was already apparent by 97 though

>>10833756
am just a random guy chiming in: yes they can do quantum physics, we all have the same brains, same species. the brain is plastic, if their kids were put in our environment and taught like we teach our kids they could do quantum physics just fine. to say most people living in slums are dumb because their conditions caused various stresses on their brain is not groundbreaking or edgy, it's an old factual platitude.

>>10832183
He is not Alt-Right and has made several blog posts distancing himself from their ideas and explaining the differences between NRx and the Alt-RIght.

http://www.xenosystems.net/what-is-the-alt-right/

>>10839540
>if their kids were put in our environment and taught like we teach our kids they could do quantum physics just fine.
You have absolutely no evidence of this. There are no groups of black people who behave like that

>>10833212
>>10834539
Seems to be available on Sequence Press the publisher website. Is this legit? If so I'll probably buy before it's extinct

>Boredom was about time. Our time is full. Lefebvre wrote that the media specialised in filling our time, applying a rhythm to it, but today those rhythms fall apart, synchronisation being matched by the protective obsessive-compulsivity of checking, of updating, 24/7. Time breaks down even as it is flattened. We share the same atomised temporality, the same empty time, the same empty lives. Or this is what the abolition of boredom attempts to do. Capitalism is boring but no one is bored. What does it mean? It means that everything happens so quickly- at the speed of information- and under the physiological coupling to the machine that has rendered us addicts to phenomena like social media via the conditioning of necessity introduced by work. It means that we don’t have time to feel the emptiness of our time- of our lives. As the saying goes: work, consume, die.

>Accelerationism doesn’t seem to propose a return to boredom, and rightly indicates that there can be no going back. Accelerationism seems to propose a new use of the technologies of speed that drive and are driven by capitalism. It also proposes that we repurpose the existing infrastructure- that we keep our smartphones and our computers and all the rest of it. So if boredom is out, what is it that is going to rouse us back to asking the big questions, what is going to help us to give up on survival and attempt to reanimate our moribund culture, our apparently comatose politics? It seems like the answer to that is accelerationism itself. Accelerationism seems intended to jolt us. It is a profoundly anti-depressive political gesture. It wants us to give up on conservatisms and protectionisms. If reflection has been cancelled then why do we keep trying to reflect? If capitalism is global why the hell are you acting locally? If the challenges exist on the scale of hyperobjects then why do you think molecules will win? Why do you keep distracting yourself with so much bullshit? You’re bored and you just don’t fucking no it. From the perspective of boredom, accelerationism is a kind of assault to the political, a slap in the face.

>Fundamentally, the question of boredom leads me to think about accelerationism as a kind of electroshock therapy from the depressive body of the left. It is the political use of stimulation torouse us to challenge the hegemony of those who monopolise stimulation as a technique for control. Accelerationism thus has very little to do with speeding up or slowing down as such. Accelerationism is thus also an attempt to shock some life back into what it sees as a comatose revolutionary movement.

https://syntheticzero.net/2014/06/13/no-boredom/

maybe he just got bored.

>>10838634
>slatestarcodex

>>10832183

Zizek on Land

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t05tU-XD_ms

>>10833472
That is the most embarrassing thing I've ever read

>>10834539
Does anyone seriously think this is good

>>10839305
Legitimate question
I guess I assume everyone's aware of how stale cyberpunk is at this point...and writing like Burroughs? In the 80s? Burroughs did that shit in the fifties...

>>10840529
who is David? And who is "you" when Zizek points left? And where does he mention Land? And what does Land have to do with James Bond? And why the meme brainwashing words over video and the end of the video?

>>10838634
Don’t link to ssc here again.

>>10838634
is neorec even a movement? i thought it was just a set of more or less unconnected ideas challenging the liberal/progressive worldview that went to influence and be incorporated into other actual movements, like libertarianism, the salt right, and other right wing movements, but i haven't heard about anybody being a "neorec" with a concrete set of belief

Can Nick Land be somehow associated with speculative realism?
He seems to predate it a bit

>>10841459
isn't speculative realism literally anything that could happen but you aren't sure?

>>10839561
BUT BLACK SCIENCE MAN

>>10841459

Read the first 3 chapters of Thirst For Annihilation, he anticipated the speculative turn way before the famous gang of speculative realists appeared, he never laid it out explicitly but his opposition to the transcendental side of philosophy makes him an antecedent of it.

>>10837527
>Technological evolution requires a critical mass of high-IQ people
No, it requires a single machine capable of actual learning and self reproduction. The human being is already obsolete in most fields once somebody builds an AI that's capable of learning and doing "knowledge work" it's pretty much done with.

>>10842788
I just read this actually:
https://moskvax.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/accelerationism-ray-brassier/
https://moskvax.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/accelerationism-questions-after-session-1-mark-fisher-and-ray-brassier/
I got a bit upset by this Alberto Toscano in the QA

>>10840744
Back in the day the samrt Nrx guys referred to it as being like a bookclub. A bunch of autists reading books, speculating, and sharing ideas. As time went on and more people got involved there was a push to make in it into a movement. This was routinely mocked, however the people pushing for it, high on the concept of the "mannerbund", formed little clubs where they could stand in a circle and lift weights while yelling "Democracy is satan". As you can probably guess, they got absorbed into the alt-right when it came along.

>>10832470
He has even eased off of twitter in the last month. Everyone is hoping it means that Nick finally has gotten round to finishing his bitcoin book.

>>10834058
You are actually reading that guy.
I don't give a fuck about that jaded 55 y/o.
That's OP's point, ironically.

>>10834297
this
probably some bad trip

aging is terrible

>>10843181

Adding to this (and in my view, not opposing it) I'd say the definite critical mass of NRx was after people like Peter Thiel and Robert Mercer got sick of democracy for their own reasons and sough some intellectual respite for their technocratic capitalist machinery assrape appeals. Not by coincidence, I'm pretty sure Thiel has funded quite some of Moldbug's endeavors.

>>10839540
>all have the same brains, same species

I don't really like Jacobite. They make fine points, but they're not very original, I don't really learn anything new, and they all have the flavor of being written by undergraduates trying very hard (the exception being the Land posts and the Liechtenstein one as well, which was wonderful).

It's bizarre to leave /lit/ for two years, come back, and find that everyone is obsessed with Land now. What the hell?

I was particularly annoyed by this article, after which I removed Jacobite from my RSS reader:
https://jacobitemag.com/2017/11/13/trolleyer-than-thou/

It very convincingly, and very boringly, tells me that a bad anti-trolley article is, in fact, bad. It totally misses the point that it is actually legitimate to be irritated by the abuse of the trolley problem by medium-IQ LessWrong Effective Altruists (tm) (c) to support their nonsensical universalist utilitarian "rationalist" ethics. Hey, maybe the author's one of them too.

>>10843343
Where is your argument

he's said all he has to say, that's all. now he has a day job and a family to occupy his time

>>10840744
>is neorec even a movement
Bannon read Moldbug and he is/used to be connected to Thiel.

>>10842893
>No, it requires a single machine capable of actual learning and self reproduction. The human being is already obsolete in most fields once somebody builds an AI that's capable of learning and doing "knowledge work" it's pretty much done with.
except AI is task specific garbage at the moment, and as soon as the task changes slightly the AI become useless garbage and you have to involve humans again to make a new one

maybe at some point we will get the magical general purpose AI, but until that happens you need high IQ flesh brains to push in that direction

>>10845740
I don't know that you realize how far and fast the field of machine learning has progressed, and how much is being invested in it today.
Remember that you don't need to make an AI that's better than a human out of the gate, it just needs to be capable of self improvement. And it's not like it needs to be super broad in it's intelligence to radically change the world. Trading algorithms already dominate markets and exchanges around the world with little need for human interaction

>>10845883
machine learning it's already self-improving, it's still garbage as long as it can't escape its fairly reduced domain of competence and expand towards a different environment, maybe at some point it will be able to do it

>>10845740
>>10845883
To clarify, certainly I agree that were moving towards some kind of bizarre techno-feudalism, but I don't think it will be nearly so meritocratic or long lived as I think you're implying

>>10845895
70 years ago computers were the size of small houses

>>10845943
>Deriving the curve of technological advancement through induction
Ah yes yes. We're gonna reach immortality in a couple of centuries amirite?

>>10845895
imo computers winning at chess is kind of a big deal

I want to turn every non-vital cell in my body into a DNA computer.

>>10845957
um no sweetie

>>10845943
And now the amount of information that can be shoved through a circuit or standard connection has been maxed out, half of quantum computing papers are about them desperately trying to reinvent the wheel to actually just be able to do simple experiments.

With some elegant programming current tech can do extraordinary things, but surpassing some of the capabilities of a human mind is another beast altogether.

>>10838497
>America
>white
Nice try schlomo.

>>10845352
Source?

His old content sucked desu, just rehashed Deleuze with references to Pand's favorite media peppered in. A lot of the people who's works are loosely related to his are more interesting.

>>10832183
>I dont give a fuck about IQ tests
most people with a low IQ say this, found your problem

>>10834539
If you actually like this, read Nova Express by William S. Burroughs

>>10843343
well, maybe not you and the rest of the "race realists"
you guys are something special

>>10846068
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/steve-bannon-books-reading-list-214745

>>10843352
Jacobite started strong but fizzled out. Thermidor's still going strong, though.

>>10848782
Don't bother, he'll just drop some evolutionist hooey on you, racists love evolutionism.

>>10848923
so do Skepdick geeks who cares? you realize there is absolutely no way you to explain away the strong correlation between architectonic connectivity in the higher consciousness producing cortices and general intelligence (g)? this obviously stems from phenotypic differences which implies different populations have different intelligence genetics, which means while race is probably not necessarily real in the sense of an idealist racialism of the 19th century, as polytypic variation would be limited to merely Whites+Blacks, and then 10 kinds of blacks, there is some merit to the idea that the group we usefully call the "Blacks" has lower general intelligence than every other race and that the scale of intelligence peaks with the East Asians, Jews and Northwestern Europeans.

>>10848896
Thermidor looks "okay". I guess the titles didn't really grab my attention (maybe precisely because they were trying a bit too conspicuously to do so). Maybe I will read one or two articles before sleeping.

>>10834348
Then just say that next time, faggot

>>10848896
>Thermidor's still going strong
Thermidor is NEET garbage as far as i could see, can you link to 1 decent article that has any implications for the real world and is not just internet culture self-masturbation?

>>10840712
The end is from the dark enlightenment in the vein of Fitter Happier by Radiohead
The zizek is unrelated
The only reason it’s in this thread is because it’s at the top of a YouTube recommendation list for the 97 interview
The totality of all of the above relating that video to the conversation makes it somehow relevant

>>10849300
Thanks for nothing, we all can google land on youtube and click the most clickbaity titles.

>>10848957
>northwestern europeans

Not sure what you mean by this unless you mean IQ is basically the same everywhere except greece.
Also, you have to be careful with statistical averages, if you measure a pile of 100 rocks and the average weight is 5 lbs, there are likely to be no rocks that actually weigh 5 lbs. Just lots of 7's and 3's, and 5.45's ...

>>10839989
nice anon thanks 4 ur post

>>10836180
if this are true why is italians act like children even when they are adults

>>10849978
That is about some unknown mix of genes and circumstance that make an einstein or tesla one time in a million - it of course has nothing at all to do with whatever stereotype you are trying to put onto the general population.

>>10849978
>ehehe I'm a responsible man ehehe I'm a big boy, big boy pants that does everything for himself ehehehehe look at how adult and civilized I am

>>10837592
I have known a ton of them. All high strung and constantly kvetching about something. Anxiety is a great motivator though I guess.

>>10849998
did tesla do anything of value beyond flashy electricity horror movie tricks?