/lit/ - Literature

He has a great interpretation of Lacan

he is funny and marxist. all you need in a soulmate

>>10695653
He really makes me think

Actually has a unique image, personality, and doesn't conform to retarded American idpol.

>>10695958
This but unironically - combines a genuine depth of knowledge on shit like Hegel with a sense of humour and self-awareness.

i thought the sublime object of ideology was okay, but thats about it for me

just another pseud "rockstar professor"

>>10695653
What the fuck is that thing? I hate it.

>>10695653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo

>>10695653
i like his writings on lacan and how he criticizes liberalism from a perspective of genuine moral commitment as opposed to the adolescent wallowing in your own degeneracy epitomized by the alt-right. i also think his weird marxist-chestertonian materialistic christianity idea is fun.

I came for the jokes, I stayed for the philosophy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXS2BJT2gtY

I used to be okay with him until yesterday's joke of an article he wrote about peterson. Lmao. pathetic.

>>10695673
This. His political theory is shit though, although better than most contemporary leftists.

>>10696329
that's because almost no part of his cultural criticism is leftist, he just does neutral cultural criticism and then adds something like "we, as true communists should remain faithful to Hegel..." for some flavor and leftist points

I don't. Psychoanalysis is trash

>>10696392
>we should remain faithful to Hegel
>while being materialist

That's like being faithful to the Bible while rejecting that God exists.

>>10696406
I literally do that though

>>10696409
Same

>>10696406
you are memeing, but Zizek has literally said that Hegel was more materialist than Marx
https://philosophynow.org/issues/122/Slavoj_Zizek
>Absolutely. Maybe today is not the time to try to change the world but instead to step back, precisely to think. What we need today is a materialist reversal of Marx back to Hegel. Hegel is in a subtle way much more materialist than Marx. You know which Hegel I like? When he says in his Philosophy of Right “the owl of Minerva takes flight only in the evening.” This simple sentence belies the usual claim that Hegel was a conservative whose Philosophy of Right advocated an almost protofascist type of society. When Hegel says a certain historical order can only be understood when its time is almost over, do you really think Hegel was such an idiot that he didn’t know the same must hold for his Philosophy of Right? He doesn’t paint a system of how our society should look. He paints a situation whose time had passed and he knew it. Our situation is much more like Hegel’s than Marx’s. Marx still believed in some kind of minimal teleology, that we are at the crucial point where there is a chance, if not necessity, of proletarian revolution or universal redemption, while Hegel perceived his situation as a post-revolutionary one. Take the French Revolution; in some sense it has gone wrong, but Hegel is here to repossess it. The whole problem of his thought is not to say that the French Revolution was bullshit, but how, in spite of catastrophic outcomes, to keep its legacy alive. And I think our situation is the same; 20th century attempts at radical emancipation have failed. We have to abandon the Marxist metaphor that we are riding the train of history. Marxists like to say that even if times are dark, we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. And ironically I like to say “yes, it is, but it is the light of another train coming.” So that’s our situation and Hegel knew it. It’s open; we cannot make any plans.

One time he called Avital Ronnel a bitch as she left the room. Immediately, new school dweeb philowophy MAs and various Brooklyn-based, haven't-read Marxist Comp Lit students began to murmur and look around, nervous. When I laughed Zizek turned to me and winked.

>>10696417
>When Hegel says a certain historical order can only be understood when its time is almost over, do you really think Hegel was such an idiot that he didn’t know the same must hold for his Philosophy of Right
Yes? Marx does the same in believing that his view will be the one through which all of history can be explained.

>>10696417
Sounds like Preve
Abhorrent

>>10695653
Because peterson was vogue then and now we are gonna have him because /lit/ hates everything that it has stared at for too long...

>>10696421

>>10696421
That's so amazing I'm going to believe it

>>10696536
well he calls her Das Bitch in front of an auditorium every time she does an introduction for him so it's not that surprising. Even though that guy you are responding to has probably just seen those videos online and is just memeing a story

>>10696444

>>10696556
No, I will believe it entirely

I like his critique of Chomsky.

And he is funny, overall.

I'd like to be his friend.

>>10696403
Just because you're beyond help doesn't mean psychoanalysis is trash.

Dude smells bad.

>>10696587
Like a trash can?

>>10695653
He’s mobilization of Lacanian concepts in the critique of capitalist ideology is genuinely original and a serious advancement in Marxist thought.

>>10698306
I don't know what level of irony this post is.

>>10698306
>a serious advancement in Marxist thought.
which is like being the 15th guy in a bukkake session where the girl is Western civilization

>>10696313
what article? can you link it?

>>10698390
absolute kek

>>10695653
oh, just 'cos

>>10698441
>first as tragedy, then as tragedy

Kek'd

>>10698441
Does Peterson really think he's discussing with Slavoj?

>>10695653

He's aloof and is far above and beyond the other Lefties. These people who are, for the most part, either staunchly utilitarian or hopelessly drowning in political correctness, are also very spiteful of Zizek to begin with, not being able to conciliate his philosophical thought (the 'lulwut everything is empirical man what a pseud') with their anxieties and fears, which ironically stem from their desperation of turning epistemic into ontic.

If this isn't enough to make him a breath of fresh air (a sniff of fresh air?), he is also very fun to read and, as is always the case for bookworm introverts (which is supposedly a great part of /lit/'s demographic), he doesn't waste much time talking about others and spends most of it talking about ideas (see >>10698441 for example, I couldn't stand reading Peterson's twitter for more than a minute if that's a representative sample of his posts).

>>10696313
So you really used Peterson to fill in your fatherless void. Stop defending him, Peterson can respond adequately.

>>10696417
>>10696012
This thread has convinced me to give him a chance. Where do I start?

>>10698683
His movies A Perverts Guide to Cinema/Ideology are pretty solid

>>10698683
First as Tragedy then as Farce and Violence are good starting points. Also a number of talks that are on youtube .

>>10698441
Peterson's inflated ego does shine through with these posts, the fame really got to him.

I want to like this dude but at the end of the day he's still a bitch who shills for open borders and muh pronouns and so on. There can never be a Marxist that just focuses on economics and class divide. They always shoot themselves in the foot with shit like this.

>>10698548
>he is also very fun to read

The last book I was able to read in a day (because I enjoyed every minute of it) was "Did Somebody Say Totalitarianism?" This is also the most recent thing I read by Zizek

>>10695653
I like films. I enjoy his interpretations of films and Lucan.

>>10696440
Italianfag palesati però.

>>10698554
Anon is right though, what an absolute farce of an article.

>>10698401
https://web.archive.org/save/http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jordan-peterson-clinical-psychologist-canada-popularity-convincing-why-left-wing-alt-right-cathy-a8208301.html

Memes mostly. Zizek is kind of a joke when it comes to philosophy and economics tho

>>10698441
I'm on Mr Slovaj's side

>>10699173
What parts of the article did you disagree with?

It claims to be an article about peterson but is barely an article about peterson
The link to the video does more for peterson in the eyes of many than any critique slavoj could lob at him

Slavoj just uses peterson's identity as a means to express his gripe with PC liberals

>>10699173
>The reason you're afraid of being beaten up and beheaded by people coming from violent war zones, who believe in a severely radicalized religion, and who identify strongly sign their ethnic backgrounds is because you have a pathological problem , great over yourself
Imagine telling Native Americans that their fear of catching smallpox and being displaced by white people was due to a pathological issue.

He barely even talks about Jordan Peterson or even understands the alt right if he thinks the alt right actually likes Jordan Peterson holy shit.

>>10699187
> closed and biased point of view, slovoj [sic] zizek being one of them
> the left overall is lost on its own bile and arrogance

pure_ideology.jpg

>>10699173
>The alt right likes Jordan Peterson
So he is pretty much talking out of his ass

>>10699210
>unironically bringing up white genocide bullshit
>implying there's even a remote similarity between modern-day immigrants and literal imperialist conquerors who carry diseases and have a deliberate plan to exterminate the local population
/pol/ is the other way

why is Jordan Peterson attempting to pick a fight with Zizek quotes on Twitter?

>>10699190
The first sentence should suffice. He claims JP is "beloved" of the "alt-right" even though JP is not part of the alt-right, never was, and whatever fanbase he had with them has abandoned him after he refused to answer a question about Jewish influence in society and had a falling out with an actual alt-right persona Faith Godly from a free speech event with Peterson even saying " the irony isn't lost on me",

I'am no fan of JP and find it worrisome a lot of his fans see him as a father figure but this article was just a lame attack against him an 'lo and behold' he calls him a N*zi and see his rise to fame as akin to the Brown shirts.

>>10699230
>First they were temporary refugees from Syria
>Then they were migrants looking for work from North Africa and the Middle East
>Now they are immigrants
Makes you think
>White genocide bullshit
Pure ideology. Would you like me to refer you to statistics done by the end white nationalist organization known as "National Geographic" about how white people are diminishing in every single one of their countries (except ireland for some reason)?
>He fell for the "they are just like us cool aid"
Leddit is down the hall and to the left m8

Fucking liberal delusions, thinking that these people want to integrate into society

>>10695653
he’s nimble, humerous, relentless, not easily intimidated, self-mastered, autistic and a coke head just like me

i don’t agree with him but he warrants immense respect just like Schmitt and de Maistre

>>10699230
>Hey did you know that white people are becoming a minority due to low birth rates and high immigration rates all across the board
>NICE /pol/ BULLSHIT WHY DONT YOU GO BACK THERE
And liberals wonder why rightism is on the rise again, Jesus

>>10699253
>>10699264
>natural changes in the ratio between different ethnicities are literally the same as genocide
So at every point in time where a large number of refugees/immigrants/whatever the fuck you want to call them entered into another state in large numbers, that was "genocide"?

>>10699277
> "natural" changes
lmao

>>10699288
>birth and immigration are somehow "unnatural"
can't make this shit up

>>10699260
Also, he actually has original ideas. You're not getting more of the same

>>10699288
Capital concentration is natural, ergo migratory patterns of subhumans into metropolitan areas are natural. also go check the number of immigrants in Germany its fucking miniscule you alarmist German intelligence riled faggot. RW deep state starts pumping out propaganda via Putin, C1A and German-British intel and you actually believe all of it like a fucking retard

>>10699277
>Calls white people immigrating to the United States a genocidal imperialism
But like you said, it's a natural change in the ratios between different ethnicities. Europe was over populated, full of religious intolerance/war, and America desperately needed new faces to build industry.

When people call it a genocide it's meant to highlight the fact that neo-liberal are displacing white people for economic gains and that this then meets the UN definition of genocide.

>>10699303
>>10699293
being this triggered by the UN's "solution" to diminishing populations that you have to call it Putin's propaganda
http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm

>>10699293
>Fly and boat people to white countries to promote multiculturalism
>Natural changes bruh
Then it's a natural reaction to kick them out.

>tfw I check the catalogue and there are no Peterson threads
Right now Zizek is like a breath of fresh air

>>10699187
Why do they all insist on calling Zizek Mr when he has a PhD but Peterson always makes sure to be called Dr when his name is listed.
Signs of a pseud.

>>10699293
> neoliberal policies used to drive down wages and separate voting blocs in white nations are somehow "natural"

i don't have a deflated wojaks folder, post some more since you're intent on adding so much to the conversation.

>>10699322
u see wut the peterson marketers all did? they laid low on valetines day to make it look like ppl who read peterson get laid, sneaky sneaky

>>10699328
>Be me
>Former anarchist
Even when I was a far left anarchist I was against 3rd world immigration to Europe and the US because it was literally a scheme to drive down real wages and make sure that 3rd worlders stayed impoverished and did nothing about foreigners funding wars in their countries
How the FUCK are modern leftists not seething that this happening? I remember Bernie being up in arms about the TPP but thats been about it.

>>10699350
i used to say the same shit when i was a true believer marxist, but i always got bashed and called racist by rich kids from expensive schools, then i was like fuck it, if i want to improve my standard of living i should just get a better job instead of waiting for someone to overthrow the government, marxism is pretty dumb

>>10699312
These people were literally sent there by heads of state to colonize the locals' ground. How the fuck is that not imperialism? On the other hand, immigration from countries like Syria (while indirectly also being the result from imperialism in those countries) isn't somehow a deliberate move to colonize the west by the Syrian government.
While I don't approve of these neo-lib strategies there is in no way a "genocide" of white people just because others are also getting into the West. If you claim otherwise, you don't seem to understand what a genocide is.

>>10699350
Corbyn seems to care (sort of) and Slavoj, unlike in this article, has criticized the left for hoping they can "import" a worker's movement via resettling refugees

Can't wait for Ramadan

>>10699363
it may not be "genocide" but it is "ethnic cleansing"

>>10699377
Lol no it isn't

> Resettling Syrian families while their nation is being used as a PvP arena for 21st century weapon technology
Cool, I am ok with this, save those kids

> Resettling millions of 20-30 year old Africans smuggled through Libya by NGO boat operations per year for no fucking reason besides profit and destabilization, then having the balls to call them syrian refugee children
There's nothing wrong with this, in fact, it's natural, and anyone who says otherwise is racist, and in fact, quite a dullard, or dare I say, a Dotard! haha drumpf

>>10699365
well i can see why brainlet leftists might think it could happen since the labor movement in america was basically imported with the wave of immigrants from italy and germany, but the thing is they imported the EUROPEAN labor movement to american shores, sorry, syrians, dominicans, and bangladeshis are not going to suddenly start organizing themselves in a european style guild system just because they touched american soil

>>10699354
You were a true believer of marxism and you took the most wage slavey servile to the rich job you could get?

The result of uneducated masses hearing ideology and adhering to it without thinking critically.

>>10699363
>These people were literally sent there by heads of state to colonize the locals' ground.
>The locals ground
*Land that they bought from the locals

Yes , I'm not exactly a fan of calling it "white genocide' or the /pol/ shit blaming it on a Jewish plot , but intentionally displacing Europeans based on economic incentives while fervently defending multiculturalism ought to have severe negative connotations to it, and it's the phrase that stuck.

>>10699396
I mean no only are you shitting up white countries with war torn foreign countries but they are also supporting the mechanism by which private interests exploit the countries these people are coming from ffs , I don't know what the proper phrase for this whole scenario ought to be but it's bullshit

>>10699391
marxism tells the working class that they should dig communism because they will get to keep the surplus value of their labor, well as a worker, if my total wages go up, which percentage of it is surplus or not really doesnt matter to me, so if waste my life waiting for a revolution and then the gdp goes down so even after the deformed workers state takes only say 5% of my surplus instead i could just go to school and get a better job that pays twice as much, even if half my "surplus" goes to capital, i don't care my standard of living is objectively better, now i'm not a trust kid from columbia, so i'm just thinking of what's in my best interest as a worker, nothing more, and clearly communism isn't in my interest compared to, like, getting a some job training

>>10699396
It's a phrase that will keep people from seeing any merit in what you're saying. Even though I disagree with you, it's clear people feel they're in danger of losing their cultural identity so it's worth talking about. But when it's accompanied by shrill claims of "white genocide" can you really blame people for thinking it boils down to racism?

>>10699365
>Can't wait for Ramadan

lent just started today but u don't see christians making a big fucking deal out of, ramadan, spare me

>>10699413
You make marxism sound just like what the Trump voting southerners demand.
I didn't realise how marxist the USA was.

>>10699436
>trump voting southerners

trump won because he won michigan, wisconsin, ohio and pennsylvania, all northern states some of which had gone to a republican for decades, i mean you have to be a really lame democrat to lose mother fucking pennsylvania ok, all these "muh popular vote" ppl are trying to distract you from the fact that trump won states that the democrats thought were so safe they barely even campaigned in, i mean he fucking killed them in the electoral college, people don't seem to get this

>>10699427
>from seeing any merit in what you're saying
Except for millions of white people tired of anti-white racism. Makes complete sense for them

>>10699249
I don't think it is fair to expect outsiders to be hyper-sensitive to the nuances and changes of the alt-right though. But then again people who abuses the term post-modernism can't complain :^)

>>10699436
>Trump voting southerners

trump won because he won michigan, wisconsin, ohio and pennsylvania, all northern states some of which hadn't gone to a republican for decades, i mean you have to be a really lame democrat to lose mother fucking pennsylvania ok penn has been blue since 1992 for crying out loud, all these "muh popular vote" ppl are trying to distract you from the fact that trump won states that the democrats thought were so safe they barely even campaigned in, i mean he fucking killed them in the electoral college, people don't seem to get just what an asswhipping it was

>>10699451
ummm no sweetie, mainstream news outlets and sassy talking heads on twitter disagree with you, she won by 3 million votes and there is nothing unstable or inherently contradictory about the political agenda of """"progressive"""" democratic party and their chucklebuddy """"conservative"""" controlled opposition candidates

>>10699466
sorry i reposted to fix "had" to "hadn't" and google the last time penn went red which wasn't 1992 it was actually 1988, 1992 it went to clinton

>>10699460
Yes, by "people" I meant the other millions of people who don't already agree with you. You say people are tired of "anti-white" racism or being labeled as racist, and I was pointing out a reason why those groups are begging to be labeled that way.

>>10695942
I love that picture

>>10699354
>>10699363
Why do you dilettantes treat your political theories like a religion that changes behaviour?

>>10699460
>millions
Pretty sure there aren't literal millions of people on /pol/.

>>10699491
certainly not millions of white people, that's for sure

>>10699463
No one's denying that Hillary ran an incompetent campaign, but "muh popular vote" is a more meaningful figure for almost every purpose other than choosing the winner of the election.

>>10699490
>dilettantes

yeah i wish i was a dilettante i wasted like ten yeas of my life on that bullshit

>>10699230
hehe you should read slavsniffs article, might find something gazing back at ya.

>>10699500
if "muh popular vote" was meaningful to american democracy then the founders wouldn't have made the electoral college, deal with it

>>10699490
meant for >>10699350
not>>10699363

>>10699502
But you barely understood it, else you wouldn't treat it like a religion instead of a theory that tries to explain shit

>>10699230
just check out the smug look on muslims faces every time their wife pumps out another little jihadi, oh right, you live in a gated community that's 99% white, well, someday they'll get to you, and then i'll just be ronpaul posting and laffin

>>10699513
>thinks marxism isn't a secular religion

looks like the dilletante is you my friend, try leaving mom's mcmansion sometime and go meet some marxists

>>10699517
Just because other people like you are retards who treat it as a secular religion and do stupid things doesn't mean the theory made them that way. Either the theory is right or wrong.

>>10699508
>the founding fathers wanted it so it must be good
They had the foresight to allow amendments to the constitution, anon. The reasons why they formed the electoral college are no longer meaningful.

>>10699526
>Either the theory is right or wrong.

oh it's quite wrong.

>>10699531
But you have clearly made it out your reasons for leaving to be coz of others' behavior. It actually being wrong or not is irrelevant to your stupidity or our argument.

>>10699485
>"anti-white"
Oh plz, just because not all white people have 0 ethnic or racial consciousness doesn't mean they all don't.
>>10699491
>Everyone who is pro-white is /pol/
They don't have to be, but people like you constantly push whites into the far right, which is why the Golden Dawn, Nordfront, and the Front National are becoming so much more popular now.

>>10699529
sorry no one thinks letting los angeles and new york pick the president is a good for democracy except clintonite bankers

>>10699537
as a worker the argument for marxism is that my standard of living is supposed to go up, but there are a lot easier ways to improve my standard of living than overthrowing the government, so as a worker i see no reason to be engaged, deal with it

>>10699490
Why do you aesthetes treat having opinions like a mental disorder

>>10696007
el creatura

>>10699539
Right, I forgot that "one mile, one vote" is the guiding principle of our democracy

>>10699526
>Everyone who believes in things different from me are obsessive weirdos with compulsive behavioral issues
>Take that you dipshits
Did you know that you have the self awareness of a teenage girl?

>>10699553
u sound like a putinite trying to delegitimize our democracy, watch out or hillary's gonna getcha!

>>10699553
>Found Constitution on trying to prevent the tyranny of the majority
>Dude but it's totally okay for a few sections of the country with a high population to dictate the lives of millions of people living far away from them who have no connections to said high population whatsoever
Um okay fag

>>10699539
> no one thinks letting los angeles and new york pick the president is a good for democracy except clintonite bankers
I wish this sentiment were true, anon, I really do

Was hoping Trump would win the popular vote and lose the EC by a small margin so all the cityfolk could talk down on their opioid-addicted fellow citizens about how "only the electoral college matters, Donald".

But watching the Clinton empire implode is just as rewarding

>>10699538
>push whites into the far right
What about you stop this pathetic victim mentality? I don't hold general prejudices towards any race, but I do hate paranoid /pol/tards who believe racism against whites is a major thing nowadays.

ok i'm out can't waste anymore of my life trying to explain to retards why marxism doesn't make sense, just pick up a fucking econ, history, or philosophy book and read it

>>10699545
>s a worker the argument for marxism is that my standard of living is supposed to go up,
>not seizing the means of production
Oh i see, I can deal with knowing somewhere out there, there is someone who doesn't know about marxism abandoned it coz he got annoyed by other marxists. C'est la vie

>>10699566
>Le basick economics guy xDDDDD
>I-I can't debunk any of your positions b-but they are untrue! PLEASE JUST BELIEVE ME!!!!!

>>10699556
Did you know that you didn't guess my ideology correctly?

>>10699560
This can just as easily be reversed, why should the lives of those in cities be dictated by the whims of a minority of the country?

>>10699569
Thats probably true considering I never guessed your ideology. You think far too highly of yourself

>>10699575
It's bit about whether the minority or the majority rules the other, it's about balancing representation by geography as well as population so one *area* of the country can't totally control what happens in other sections.

>>10699577
Dumbass, he was a Marxist.

>>10699235
He's not trying to pick a fight over those Twitter quotes. Zizek wrote an article that mentions Peterson a few times and Peterson is angry about it. He's getting more angry because Zizek doesn't give a shit enough to respond to him.

>>10699563
>but I do hate paranoid /pol/tards who believe racism against whites is a major thing nowadays.

He's going to start posting cherry picked, and often completely fabricated, anecdotes from a country with more than 320,000,000 people anytime now. There really is nothing more pathetic than white Americans with victim complexes based almost entirely on their race.

>>10699585
The blue states should really just stop subsidizing the red states.

>>10699562
Why would you ever think that would happen? The EC decisively favors the GOP/rural states. Trump would have never won the popular vote

>>10699210

That's some Grade A ideology right there, anon. And scho on and scho on.

>>10699354

You were never a Marxist you were only a liberal. Pathetic.

>>10699707

That isn't Zizek on Twitter. Of course he won't respond to him.

>>10698683
any of his books, most of his books are copy/pasted from his previous books so it doesn't really matter where you start

sublime object i guess

molymeme analysis of the article
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDGlSkJb_FM

televised "feud of the pseuds" when?

>>10700477
>a conman defending a conman
Why am I not surprised?

Choose your trash can

>>10700499
>ywn be a rockstar philosopher getting a new younger wife every 20 years

i don't

>>10700499
if you like either one of these pseud e-celeb fags you need to get outside more.

he's a funny guy but leftism is incompatible with the gorilla mindset

>>10700538
t. Peterson fan on damage control

>>10698548
>sniff of fresh air
:)

>>10698441
peterson should really give up twitter, that stupid platform is only used for kneejerk reactions and instinctal thoughts. his more mellowed out material (you know the stuff he spent 20 years thinking about) is quite enjoyable, but his twitter gets on my nerves, and I'm sure that will be the thing to cause his demise. Which i really pity, because his stuff is quite handy, tho i also think it's because basic stuff can be difficult for stupid people (like me and 99% of the populace) and his overexplanation might help these dumbasses

>>10700477
>molymeme analysis
paradox

>>10700967
memes can be president now too, nothing is impossible anymore

>>10699568
Libertarianism is indeed basic economics, but Marxism is advanced economics once you've absorbed the former.

>>10699324
This

>>10700477
>Molymeme trying to catch the next fad
Pretty pathetic

I've been a fan of Slavoj for four years now and I've never read a single one of his books. I have a whole playlist of his 2h lectures which I watch again and again. I'm ashamed that I can quote the man without ever reading him, but I keep telling myself that I'll read him after I finish with the majority of Western philosophy and psychoanalysis. I didn't even start with the Greeks yet.

>>10701166
Slavoj bases himself on a shitload of thinkers, you'll never get around to him if you have to read everything. Just try reading The Sublime Object & The Fragile Absolute.

>>10701178
Parallax View has been collecting dust on my shelf for about a year now. Would it be an ok start since I've already watched so much of him?

>>10699562
>I don't have any convictions, my politics are really just resentment
It's ok /pol/ you don't have to tell us, it's already really obvious

>>10698441
the beta overexplainer vs the chad one-liner

>>10699436
>>10699463
>>10699500
>>10699508
>>10699529
>>10699539
>>10699562

I like it turned into someone supposedly foreign commenting on the state of things in America, to an increasingly more desperate defense of the popular vote, to finally revealing their true colors. And some people don't believe there are paid shills on here!

>>10700383
This. Why the hell is Peterson talking to a literal meme account? If he wanted to talk to Zizek he could've just written his name rather than link to a fake account spewing memes. At least Peterson was right about Zizek phoning it in. I have no idea why Zizek can't be more responsible with what he writes and says, his copy-pastas are getting really old.

>>10699562
That has never happened in the Democrats' favor, why would you be so stupid to hope for that?

>>10696007
Hey buddy I think you've got the wrong door. The leather club's two blocks down.

>>10699760
You mean the blacks in the Red States? You mean they should stop subsidizing the economic collapse in rural areas after they engaged in neo-liberal policies that drove down real wages and shipped jobs overseas?
>Oh but industrialization just makes these job obsolete
>These jobs were harmful for the environment
>It actually improved the overall CPI of these people as they lose their jobs
>T. Barista

>>10701652
> "why would you hope for a low probability event"

>>10699025
>Žižek argues that totalitarianism is invariably defined in terms of four things: the Holocaust as the ultimate, diabolical evil; the Stalinist gulag as the alleged truth of the socialist revolutionary project; ethnic and religious fundamentalisms, which are to be fought through multiculturalist tolerance; and the deconstructionist idea that the ultimate root of totalitarianism is the ontological closure of thought. Žižek concludes that the devil lies not so much in the detail but in what enables the very designation totalitarian: the liberal-democratic consensus itself.

Fuck, that sounds incredibly based. Might pick it up myself.

>>10695653
I'm in just for the sniffs

>>10696313
I like him, but I too found this article shallow.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jordan-peterson-clinical-psychologist-canada-popularity-convincing-why-left-wing-alt-right-cathy-a8208301.html

>>10695963
>doesn't conform to retarded American idpol.
He does, it's just more subtle

>>10696406
>he actually interprets the bible as anything more than a guide for building a cohesive society

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVBOtxCfan0

Noam Chomsky absolutely eviscerating Zizek.

>>10702084
He doesn't eviscerate anyone lol, he's just spouting shit without responding to any arguments. This is even more disappointing given Chomsky always whines about "muh evidence" and people who blindly criticise him, but it's exactly what he does here. He obviously doesn't care about the continental tradition and has to tout his anglo empiricist cred, nothing new from that camp.
I've never seen an influential continental thinker make sweeping generalizations about Anglo philosophy being shit, but the reverse happens all the time. That says enough about their intellectual integrity in my view.

Žižek's response here was very good:
>https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/1365-some-bewildered-clarifications-a-response-to-noam-chomsky-by-slavoj-zizek
>But I think that that the differences in our political positions are so minimal that they cannot really account for the thoroughly dismissive tone of Chomsky’s attack on me. Our conflict is really about something else—it is simply a new chapter in the endless gigantomachy between so-called continental philosophy and the Anglo-Saxon empiricist tradition. There is nothing specific in Chomsky’s critique—the same accusations of irrationality, of empty posturing, of playing with fancy words, were heard hundreds of times against Hegel, against Heidegger, against Derrida, etc. What stands out is only the blind brutality of his dismissal—here is how he replies when, back in his December 2012 interview with Veterans Unplugged , he was asked about the ideas of Lacan, Derrida, and me: [interview quote]
> And he goes on and on in the same vein, repeating how he doesn’t see anything to what I’m saying, how he cannot discern in my texts any traces of rational examination of facts, how my work displays empty posturing not to be taken seriously, etc. A weird statement, measured by his professed standards of respect for empirical facts and rational argumentation: there are no citations (which, in this case, can be excused, since we are dealing with a radio interview), but also not even the vaguest mentions of any of my ideas. Did he decode any of my "fancy words" and indicate how what one gets is "something you can explain in five minutes to a twelve-year-old"? There are no political references in his first attack (and in this domain, as far as I can see, I much more often than not agree with him). I did a couple of short political books on 9/11 ( Welcome to the Desert of the Real ), on the war in Iraq ( Iraq: the Borrowed Kettle), on the 2008 financial meltdown ( First as Tragedy, then as Farce), which appear to me written in a quite accessible way and dealing with quite a lot of facts—do they also contain nothing but empty posturing? In short, is Chomsky in his thorough dismissal of my work not doing exactly what he is accusing me of: clinging to the empty posture of total rejection with no further ado?

>>10696406
>>10696409
>>10696412

What he is trying to say is to take out the revelation aspect in Christianity. (as told in revelations)

To do so it wouldn't be a religion. To take out the Absolute Spirit in Hegel's system would have the same effect.

>>10700816
but i just mocked peterson ya fuckin dunce. he's a stand-in father figure for limp-wristed queers who are easily fleeced

>>10695653
Came for the Memes, and Pervert Docs, stayed for the man