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10691832 No.10691832 [Reply] [Original]

Why does Dante write that Alexander is burning in the boiling rivers of hell?

h-he seemed like a cool dude to me...

>> No.10691843

>>10691832
You'll be joining him.

>> No.10691853

Autistic rage

>> No.10691854

>>10691832
Not Alexander the Great, another leader with the same name.

>> No.10691879

>>10691854
Nope it's Alexander the great, right beside Attila the hun up to their eyebrows

>> No.10691882

>>10691854
Is this legit?

>> No.10691892

>>10691832
Just as he was steeped in blood during his life, so he is steeped in blood in hell

>> No.10691913

>>10691892
So is Dante's damning of Alexander due to christian conceptions of morality and a just war or rather his Italian autism against the greeks? What separates Alexander from other righteous pagans like Caesar? Did Augustus not deserve to have his eyes plucked out and suffer by the same token?

>> No.10691930

>>10691913
>Augustus
Augustus brought order and stability to Rome, ending a long period of civil conflict.

>> No.10691939

>>10691882
https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/d/the-divine-comedy-inferno/character-list

>> No.10691943

>>10691930
Yet in the process he had killed many of the righteous Romans of the old republic and showed great cruelty upon his ascension. Did he not also greatly expand Roman territory and leave the Empire to the madmen of the Julio-Claudians?
Not that I think he was incompetent, he was my favorite Roman, but surely he can be judged by the same standard.

>> No.10691944

>>10691913
He was just following his sources (orosius and lucan) who characterized him as a brutal beast and "bane of the world".
Dante actually praised Alexander in a different work of his.

>> No.10691947

>>10691879
>>10691882
Some people do believe that it's not Alexander the Great but rather Alexander of Pherae.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_of_Pherae

For instance, in Dante's Convivio, you can find this quote:

"And who has not Alexander still at heart, because of his royal beneficence?"

>> No.10691953

>>10691832
pride

>> No.10691959

>>10691947
True, but it would be weird to leave Alexander the great completely out of his divine comedy

>> No.10691961

>>10691882
tell me the number of the Canto and I'll check out my GLORIOUS Italian edition with page long footnotes for an answer

>> No.10691968

>>10691961
Canto xii

>> No.10691983

>>10691961
A man of culture I see. The Divine Comedy is also the finest book on my meager shelf

>> No.10691986

>>10691959
That's true. Still, I'd expect him at least in Limbo, not Phlegethon.

>>10691961
Phlegethon is Canto XII but he mentions "Alexander" in Canto XIV as well; this one seems to me to be Alexander the Great due to the mention of his Indian conquest (I am not a historian and as such not aware of other historical Alexanders venturing there).

>> No.10691989

>>10691913
Dante was a brainlet, and Inferno is the product of a misguided church in a corrupt age. The hell and tortures that Dante envisioned are an unfortunate remnant of the vengeful old testament god of the Israelites.

Judgment is reserved for God alone, and His love and forgiveness can free even the damned.

>> No.10691994

>>10691968
I checked it out and it says what this gentleman here said >>10691947

>> No.10692000

That is to say, Dante putting people in Hell is a fucking laugh. Such presumption I can only imagine the raging boners he had while writing his crazy fanfic.

>> No.10692007

>>10691832
Not a Christian=burning in hell. Sorry guys.

>> No.10692019

>>10692007
Alexander lived before Christ. He could not have been a Christian. Later "theologians" inserted a harrowing of Hell as part of the resurrection story, so the deserving could get around that nitpick. It's an inelegant retcon, but it's canon.

>> No.10692020

>>10692000
this tbqh. this was probably the renaissance equivalent to that guy who wrote himself in as a love interest to the Powerpuff girls

>> No.10692048
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>>10692007
False. Cato the Younger and Statius were both positioned in (front of) Purgatory.

Also, the Roman emperor Trajan is in Paradise.

>> No.10692074

>>10692048
Pope Gregory I resurrected Trajan and baptised him, so he was a Christian.

>> No.10692105

>>10692074
>Pope Gregory I resurrected Trajan

I love this. Like the sixth century had actual Lv20 Clerics and shit.

>> No.10692111

>>10691943
One could say his actions ultimately led to more good than bad, whereas Alexander did little more than conquer an empire which disintegrated after a short time.

I don't personally agree, just playing devil's advocate.

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>>10691832

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>>10691989
>>10692000
>>10692605
Sigh. Isn't it depressing to realize that the glorious "canon" is really just more autism like everything else?

>> No.10693448

>>10692105
>only lvl 20

>> No.10693766

>>10691832
>conquered the known world at the time for no reason other than his ego.
>slaughtered countless men
>marched all the way to India because his ego needed it.
>marched his army through the desert. Adding months onto the journey home out of spite.
>on his death bed he chose his heir as "the strongest" leaving his generals to fight over his empire and causing more bloodshed.
Ya, totally cool dude.

>> No.10693902

>>10691989
Good post, Marcion.

>> No.10693911

>>10691832
>Originator/planner/leader of wars of conquest that killed hundreds of thousands if not a few million

Gee OP, I dunno why.