/lit/ - Literature

sci fi now is missing br2049 qt3.14s

reminder that fantasy is shit and you're retarded for liking it

>>10687278
I disagree.

Under fairytale for your flowchart I would swap Gregory MacGuire for John Connolly's Book of Lost things. A far superior book in every conceivable way.

>>10687103
>whuh happen
Nothing - they all look like shit except whoever the fuck that is from Star Trek. Also, Firefly sucked.

Should I bother to read books written by women or will I waste my time?

>>10687103
Sonequa is cute at least.

Hey I've never read sci fi before but I've been mapping out a novel for the past year or so and it's grown to the point where it would definitely qualify as 'sci fi' before anything else. I'm making this judgment just off of tv and movies in the genre.

What are some good examples of pop sci fi novels that can give me a general sense of what's poppin in the niche?

>>10687103
>What happened?
The (((producers))) needed to add more diversity to their films. Remember to celebrate diversity and start reading books written by blacks!

>>10687683
Ursula K. Le Guin is better than most male fantasy writers. She gets really close to being full scale /lit/ rather than just genre fiction.

>>10687796
>Reading some Boomer liberal.
Lol no thanks.

>>10687796
Nice try, Ursula's ghost. You were fantasoy before fantasoy was a thing.

>>10687748
haha /pol/acks are so cute and adorable.

>>10687861
Yohoho

>>10687278
Most fiction is shit, doesn't make people retarded for liking it. (Liking the bad stuff does, but that applies to all genres)

Webnovels are novels too

sanderfag a hack

>>10687868
lich going around subjugating human females and elves book series when?

>>10687103
What's something genuinely fucked up that a female character can go through that doesn't involve rape?

>>10687895
What about webnovels that are translations of obscure Japanese mecha LNs?
I've read at least one of those whose overall story was endearing and whose writing wasn't half bad most of the time.

>>10688036
Soon, anon. Soon.

And rest eternally assured that the will be boner puns.

>>10688079
Miscarriage

>>10688092
what one?

Regarding fantasy tetralogies — is there some curse where the reader enjoys the first book, but then hits a wall at the beginning of the second? I'm thinking of T.H. White's "The Once and Future King" and Genre Wolfe's BotNS specifically. All is well and gravy for the first, spirited adventure ... then nothing.

For BotNS, I couldn't figure out what the hell happened after the end of Shadow — where did best waifu go? Are they in a jungle? Why is Sev. all buddy-buddy with Jonas? How much time has passed, and what the fuck happened? I can't even remember why I quit TOaFK, but it was probably because new characters were introduced without any immediate continuity.

>>10688101
Is that only because of the self-hatred that comes along with the female viewing her body/self being unable to bear children? Or could the loss of child be enough to fuck someone up without being too cliche?

>>10688108
Mobile Suit Gundam: Twilight Axis
Don't watch the adaptation, its awful in every way except for the art and music.

>>10688122
It depends on the character. It could be traumatic for many reasons.

>>10688097
eggcellent.

>>10688079
psychological torment.

>>10688079
more rape

Where do I start with Foundation?

>>10688203
at the foundation

>>10688209
So I should just ignore the prequels?

>>10688113
The end of Shadow is confusing for everyone. There have been entire threads trying to figure out what exactly happened and what was significant about it. Something about aliens escaping the city

Just power past it for the first few chapters, and it'll go smoothly from then on.

>be 19
>Have ideas
>wanna write
>if I try to write fantasy/fiction it'll be passable but it will essentially be bad genre fiction
>if I try to write my modern day tragedy it will just be plain shit

Fuck it hurts

>>10688079
Brain damage

>>10688079
The dashing of an expected prophecy — as in, the female thinks that she is special (for some reason or another) and is then swiftly replaced by a prettier/more intelligent/well-loved female.

>>10688394
you're 19 and clearly a retard, don't beat yourself up about being a bad writer because you lack the IQ to do anything well just like most people

>>10688549
Not him, but are you saying it's normal for people to be retards or for 19 year olds to be?

>>10688558
both
being 19 exacerbates the retardation as well so not only are 19 year olds retarded, they're 10 times as retarded as most normal retards

>>10687997
Brandon Sanderson's books are to literature what Skyrim is to videogames.

He somehow manages not to excel at any facet of his work. To borrow from Bloom, he has no discernible talent. His dialogue is stilted and uninteresting. His characters feel more like plot-convenient afterthoughts than people. The plots themselves are generic filler, somehow managing to be even less interesting than million get-to-the-end-of-the-dungeon quests of Skyrim. His prose is "workmanlike" or "inoffensive" (read: shit) in the way that combat in Skyrim is "inoffensive". I challenge Sanderson fans (?) to name one thing that he does better than passably: one single thing he is actually good at.

The most common response to this is Sanderson's worldbuilding. Like Skyrim his worlds impress you at first with their scale and detail, but even this is quickly revealed to be flat and cliched. How many times can Sanderson get away with his utterly inane caste-system-attempting-to-be-some-kind-of-political-allegory?

>but muh magic system
Even if you're a fan of the sub-genre consisting of explaining everything about magic until it ceases to be magic (why would you be?), Brandon Sanderson does not do this particularly well. His magic basically devolves into people flying around and hitting each other because Sanderson (and his fans (?)) think this is the height of entertainment. People describe his works as anime but it should be specified that it's the anime aimed primarily at 10 year old japanese boys (yum).

>muh cosmere
Fans (?) of Sanderson think of him as some kind of genius and of his books as some kind of unified masterpiece because "it happens in the same universe xd". The "co-smere" is the shitsmear on the toilet-bowl which is his writing. Sanderson insults his readers (?) by using a gimmick originally conceived to sell capeshit with lacklustre tie-ins.

>B-But he writes fast
More evidence of him being a shit writer. It takes time to write and all the best fantasy authors spend a long time on their works to ensure we get the highest quality (see for example Rothfuss).

>you haven't even read all his books
No shit. I've read enough to make a judgement.

The only possible justification for people reading his mediocre works that I can think of is a desperate attempt to fill in the hours between now and the time they die. At least Skyrim has loli/shota(yum) mods. The fact that Sanderson's target audience is 14 year old mormons stops him on this front too.

Read BoTNS

Read online: www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/soi.aspx
E-book: https://archive.org/details/TheCompleteWorksOfHPLovecraft_201412 (including like 30 additional stories)
Audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFZrqYn5f_0

>>10688079
Why not plain old torture?

>>10688219
Yeah, you can read them later if you like the original book/trilogy.

>>10688697
Good story

what whomst do I read after the book of the new sun? I have more gene wolfe ordered but i'm curious as to what other /lit/ sci-fi memes I should check out, is too like the lightning as good as they say?

>>10688079
In one of the first chapters of the Broken Earth book, the main character discovers that her son has been killed by her husband. That part was very well written and emotionally gripping.
The rest of the book was pretty much a mixed bag in many regards, but that was one remarkable part.

>>10689090
i liked 'too like the lightning' but there's a massive emphasis on 18th century philosophy and theology, so you should go for it if you want to read about that. pacing is a little off but that improves a lot in the sequel. the author ada palmer is also a big gene wolfe fan and i enjoyed the big unsubtle shout out to 'book of the new sun' in her 'seven surrenders'.

another philosophy-heavy meme book is 'the thing itself' by adam roberts. i enjoyed it.

'blindsight' by watts is a big meme on here but i haven't read it.

>>10689090
5th Head of Cerberus
Long Sun/Short Sun
Warrior of the Fog

Haven't read Lightning

>>10689121
Blindsight is philosophical, scientific and meme camp at the same time. Hard to get a grip on it but I liked it.

>>10687103
>cherrypicking
>implying Sonequa and Dominique Tipper aren't top QTs

I've just gotten into reading again and finished a star trek book. Should I read the night land? Izzit any good?

>>10689258
I hope it was A Stitch in Time, otherwise you wasted it.

>>10687738
what did you even just say
go fucking read Hyperion or something I don't even know what to say to you

>>10689267
It was the section 31 voyager book

p good but I havent read many books so I dont know what to compare it to

>>10689121
>>10689135
>>10689158
I read a snippet of too like the lightning and the prose seems to be lacking in depth and pretentious at the same time, it's not even flowery or stylish, it just seems shit to me. Vapid, in a word. A metaphor she uses in the first chapter was something like 'he smiled like a mother with a child hiding behind her leg on the first day of school' which is unoriginal as you can possibly get, not sure I want to read what i'm assuming is 1000 pages of that tripe especially when it's pretty expensive even used

Maybe i'll pick it up when you can get a copy for a couple quid. (Not that spending a tenner on a book will bankrupt me but considering you can get 10 books for a tenner on ebay i'm not going to buy it and ebooks are shit)

I'll check out blindsight though

>>10689121
We're shilling these three too much my dude, is there any other contemporary philosophy realistic scifi out there?

>>10689454
ted chiang's short stories maybe? not so ostentatious about the philosophy as those ones. i haven't often read sci-fi that is so overtly about philosophy at the expense of plot and characterisation.

>TFW Writing my novel opening.
>It starts with the Main character waking up
>Try to rewrite it because it would never be accepted by a publisher
>Realize I can't do to it being a crux of the novel's theme
Do I continue /sffg/ or do I quit?

>>10689626
give up

>>10689626
just let the i ching decide

"dude, i ching, lmao"
- philip k dick

>>10689469
Yeah I've ploughed through Chiang, good writer, if a little slow.

>>10689669
Literally do this

>>10687103
You fucked up the previous thread lists you newfag.

>>10689451
The Too Like the Lightning author is a Wolfefag and Wolfe inspired the books. If you've already gotten bored of TLTL I would also avoid buying anything by Gene Wolfe and Jack Vance unless it's Demon Princes.

>>10689945
Maybe i'm too quick to judge tbqh as I love the book of the new sun and literally only read one chapter of too like the lightning but who knows

>>10689945
>>10689956
Inspired by Wolfe doesn't mean the prose approaches the quality of Wolfe.

>>10689956
I'd definitely read BOTNS first. I'm not >>10689121 by the way, but every book mentioned in these threads are super easy to pirate or generally download (book reading can cost in the order of several thousand dollars a year. Really, really expensive).

If you don't like BOTNS skip to Blindsight. TLTL's opening few chapters are pretty indicative of the rest of the boon with the exclusion of the socrat-esque dialogue (you're probably familiar with this sort of format if you've tried experimental scifi before) but the big plot twist happens about half way through the book and before that I almost dropped it, but the twist made me read all the subsequent books one after the other. Anyway, life is too short to waste on shit books, read the ones you like and dump the ones you hate.

>>10689961
It's not just a Wolfe hybrid. Probably best described by Wolfe + Jacques the Fatalist + Alfred Bester, though.

>>10690008
anon has already read BOTNS

>>10690037
yeah this is pretty accurate

The lead actress from that show based on the Sword of Truth series was a fucking 10/10.

>>10688079
Disenfranchisement.

>>10687103
How is this relevant?
>>>/tv/

Opinions on A Wrinkle In Time? Thinking of reading it again, last time I read I was around 8 or 9, so I doubt I'll like it as much as I did as a child.

Any novels with a little girl protag?

>>10688079
Or any novels where the protag has a flower for an eye?

>>10690289
>has a flower for an eye?
just post the name of the anime, bad enough you're a degenerate but a coward too? for shame

>>10688079
A man sitting next to her on a subway and slightly spreading his legs to relieve the pressure of his balls being squished.

Anyone wanna read some sci-fi i'm working on out of boredom? I don't want to write out the plot but I think (hope) that you'll be able to maybe get the gist of it from what i've written down so far.

I haven't edited it properly yet as i'm just jotting down ideas I have when they arrive but I will say that the narrative is supposed to be the way it is.

For a slight bit of context, one character is documenting the world and one character is 'exploring' it

https://pastebin.com/8eYNVAUe

>>10690377
>just post the name of the anime
Drakengard 3 isn't really anime, pretty degenerate though.

>>10687894
the thing is that literally every fantasy is "the bad stuff"

>>10690289
I liked His Dark Materials trilogy when I was 13.

>>10690438
I'm 29 so maybe I'll pass on that.

Am I a degenerate for liking these books? Also third book when?

>>10690444
third book in november or december. 3 other works come before that. first a new series starts called dungeon deposed under william set to release in march. then 3 months after that super sales 3 also under william. and then 3 months after that wild wastes 3 under randi.

>>10690440
It might still be good, I just never reread it. I'm sure it's better than most YA fantasy.

>>10690444
i also like them anon. even if you remove the smut the story is interesting. petra is best girl.

>>10690492
forgot to mention between super sales and dungeon deposed theres supposed to be a new series under randi under the working title women collection which is only a project title. not much is known.

Wow...
I didn't expect to enjoy this series so much.
The attention to engineering detail is really fascinating
Why Haven't you read Daniel Black as yet?
https://williamscorner.blog/.

>>10687103
Thanks to the shill who recommending confessions of a D List Superhero, it was great fun. Very similar to Super Sales on Super Heroes.
Would recommend to anyone who wants a quick one day read.

To the shill. Do you have anything similar? I loved most the "tech" aspect. I just love technology.

>>10690633
Because that cover is ugly as hell.

I found the most memed books at a thrift store for a couple bucks each. So... Which do i read first?

>>10690962
Lies of Locke Lamora since it works as a standalone

>>10690377
What is your fucking problem?

>>10687802

C-can women wield longswords??

>>10688101
>>10688079
Loss

>>10690962
Lies of Locke Lamora, easily

>>10691188
Can they wield one? Yes. Are they good at using it? No.

>>10690444
Yes you are a degenerate.

do any of you guys have a subscription to a sci fi magazine? is a subscription to Analog or Asimov worth it? which is better?

>>10691062
I hate anime, but I think of that as a solution

>>10690497
>petra is best girl.
Are you the anon that liked the ant-kin in those bug books?

>>10687103
people are more self conscious
>"acting"

>>10687103
>also sci- fi is racist
>nerds are racist

recommend me a book

What have you faggets done to me? I'm actually enjoying the litrpgs that you recommend in these threads.
Alpha Company is really fun

>>10692453
bit the bullet and did it
that international shipping is expensive tho

>>10692581
The Player of Games by Iain M Banks

>>10692581 Check this >>10692192 out.

>look up fantasy on goodreads
>its all YA garbage, mostly GoT knockoffs
is fantasy over, lads?

>>10692797
Been so for long now. Time to get the ball in the court and read Blindsight, lad.

>>10692797
The popular stuff will always mostly be pulpy hackwork and garbage with a few scattered diamonds for people to dig out by wading through the trash. This goes for every medium and every genre.

>>10692854
I have the impression it's not so in hard sci-fi if you excuse some dull characterization, probably because it takes actual effort and is written in great part by actual scientists. Then again maybe I just have autism.

>>10691538
What if they're stronk as fug?

>>10692892
Well if you do have legit autism then the contemporary hard SF stuff is probably right up your alley, yes.

>>10690118
should have been wonder woman

>>10693015
gal gadot acts really badly and has no ass, so no.

>>10693085
i mean bridget reagan should have been wonder woman.

>>10692797
It's easy to come up with a fantasy world, characters, lore and whatnot. Actually putting that stuff together on paper is the hard part. Aside from that, fantasy itself is a pretty oversaturated genre. Modern fantasy is 99% shit.

Are the Prince of Nothing and Aspect Emperor trilogies good?

I enjoyed Gene Wolf, Glen Cook, Peter Hamilton and Ian Banks.
I don't like Joe Abercrombie or Stephen Baxter.

Will I get more easily publish If I were to win some sort of Writer contest?

>>10689626
Would you quit fucking asking about this, that's like the 3rd or 4th time.
Nobody cares, if you worry about something so insignificant you'll never finish.

Has Scott Lynch killed himself yet?

list 5 fantasy authors i should know about
pls leave sanderson, GRMM, and rothfuss out of it

>>10694277
tolkien
robert jordan
robin hobb
salvatore
guy gavriel kay

>science fiction and fantasy are always bundled together by Hollywood bullshit
>"enthusiasts" follow suit
>everything becomes grimdark capeshit, young adult progressive fan fiction
>a few writers push back and receive more negative reception than is warranted
>less writers dare to contradict progressive agendas
>science fiction degenerates into 1960's type of Hollywood B movie camp with some who can't figure out how to break free of it while managing to sell enough copies
>they resign themselves to sporadic trysts of independent thought and creativity with a few flamboyant writers that literary spergs will swoon over
Is it a cycle that can be broken, /sffg/, or are we doomed?

>>10694321
read less popular books. the frequently break the mold.

>>10694293
ok, i've read some tolkien and some robin hobb before, anyone else i should know of?

thank anon

>>10694339
I do, and the trend propagates itself there as well. It is a widespread trap that few (writer and reader) can navigate.

Is The Hobbit hard fantasy?

Can i read this as a standalone?

>>10694035
> Are the Prince of Nothing and Aspect Emperor trilogies good?
Only The Darkness That Comes Before. The rest are trash.

>>10688079
Being the childhood friend in a anime.

>>10694499
Can you please go into a little bit more detail without posting spoilers? What is wrong with the books?

>>10688079
living in the same world as people from neo-4chan.

>>10694381
yes

>>10694277
David Gemmell
Robert E. Howard
Karl Edward Wagner
Fritz Leiber
Clark Ashton Smith

>>10694321
>Is it a cycle that can be broken, /sffg/, or are we doomed?
>he doesn't know about #pulprev

>>10694557
If you enjoy super edgy, nihilistic, morally gray and pretentious epic fantasy then Prince of Nothing is right up your alley.

>>10694772
I don't really get this new fangled obsession with pulp revivalism. You can essentially get the modern version of pulp by buying books from the grocery store anyway. Plus if you really want "just turn your brain off bro" entertainment I really think film and TV does that better than books, while the greatest strengths of book is exploring characters and themes in much greater depth than what you could do in a 2 hour movie that has to pass through a studio.

>>10687796
>Ursula K. Le Guin
good goy

>>10690633
>call the book great (fimbul) winter
>regular winter on the cover

>>10694780
I didn't enjoy The First Law, so probably not.

>>10694803
Prince of Nothing makes First Law look like a YA series. In fact the prologue in the very first book has man-on-young boy rape.

>>10694788
>he doesn't think pulp can have themes
I suggest you read the original Conan stories by Robert E. Howard. Plenty of themes about civilization and barbarism.

>>10694825
The First Law has a much more mature characters and thought out plot .

>>10694865
I agree, but I was talking about the grimderpness.

>>10694841
I didn't say all pulp obviously. But authors like Howard and Lovecraft was the exception rather than the rule. I just don't get the whole idealization of what was quite literally the disposable entertainment of its day other than the fact that the current age seems to be a very nostalgic bunch, even if they never lived through the age the were nostalgic about. And it's not like there's a shortage of contemporary disposable entertainment, the YA craze is really carrying the mantle of cheap thrills and "only in it for the money" authors in that regard I suppose.

>>10694884
>I just don't get the whole idealization of what was quite literally the disposable entertainment of its day
Readers are sick of the pretentiousness and preaching that has been infesting genre fiction for decades now. Pulp is about entertainment first while celebrating the best aspects of fantasy and sci-fi. It's not hard to understand the appeal.

anything like this? really really enjoyed it.
guy gets obducted bay ayys. and they cant return him so hes put on a planet of previously obducted humans and then slowly integrates into their society all the while introducing technology and science.
i want similar books but maybe more with ayys as the people mc gets stranded with. also wouldnt mind xeno romance. read enemy mine and tamer already.

Books that have a similar feel to Earthbound/Twin Peaks?

>>10694825
Everything that isn't character on character interaction in First Law is like something out of a children's TV show. Remember the university, or the parliament, or Bayaz in that Battle in the North book, where he is acting like an imbecile 3cool5u fedora spinning edgemaster.

I had fond memories of the series, but on my re-read I found much of it cringe-y rather than mature.

>>10692797
it's kinda weird goodreads book suggestions for almost every genre are completely dominated by women authors, and the books themselves are always very highly rated, that is rating is hard to justify going by description and comments.

>>10688079

Rejection

>>10694898
I always felt that the best of SF were the books that explores interesting ideas and activated my almonds. While getting my cheap thrills from movies which is a less demanding and time consuming medium, plenty of less than challenging sci-fi material coming out every year. Though I guess with fantasy you have to go back a few years. The whole new wave of pulp seems to me like a reactionary fad, especially with online short story mags being mainly read by aspiring authors instead of the casual reader. But I'm a live and let live kind of guy at the end of the day, and maybe the free market will prove me wrong and it'll all be a big success.

do I read urth of the new sun before I read book of the long sun?

>>10690962
Locke Lamora. Then return the others to the store and make a mental note never to buy anything else by Lynch.

>>10694277
Tolkien
Fritz Leiber
Jack Vance
Gene Wolfe
Susanna Clarke

>>10694938
Most of Goodreads users are casual female readers (hence why The Hunger Games and Harry Potter are voted the best books ever) and recommendations are based on whatever others have enjoyed in the same genres. You do the math, there's no need for thin foil theories to explain why you should never listen to Goodreads recommendations.

>>10695231
please respond

>>10690729
>judging a book by it's cover
The cover is shit, but the story is quite entertaining.

>>10694799
Fimbulwinter just started. It still looks like normal winter. The protag was walking around naked for a piece of time in the snow. In book one it isn't that bad. That is changing in the later books though.

>>10695319
>I'm a man of refined tastes myself
>I don't have the mental capacity to filter out an opinion on whether I want to read a book based on goodreads reviews
You pretentious elitist always out yourselves as brainlets.

>>10687103
The age of mutts has come

>>10695422
Just read the Edda for the trve fimbvlwinter.
t. Icelandic shill

>>10695274
Fritz leibers son was my college professor. Cool story i know

>>10690497
Most girls are pretty good desu. Although I think there are too many of them by now for the author to explore their characters with any depth.

>>10690444
Meh, not bad, not good either. I can think of a couple of series of similar themes I enjoyed more.

>>10690633
Okay, I read that you motherfucker, now you have to read this too: Heartgem Homestead. Honestly thought it was a much better fantasy than meme black, no building in this one though, too bad for you.

>>10690962
The memes of Locke Lamorra is mildly interesting until the end, when he goes full OW THE EDGE, don't read anything else after that. The meme of the kings is good if you like anime and don't expect anything superb, I guess.

>>10694440
Hey! Answer me!

>>10695231
It doesn't matter.

>>10691353
damn... this meme has been around for 10 years
>tfw i've been on 4chan for too long

>>10695564
>only books that should be read are the ones I approve
>the books I approve are are old outdated shit
>I'm the reading police for sffg
I am seriously getting tired of you "old books, best books" faggots. KYS by injection or rope.

>>10695580
>crickets
no one cares
>one of the presidents used to live in my street
you think anyone wants to know? No they don't.

>>10687738
>a general sense of what's poppin in the niche?
You don't want to write something that's "poppin/" now because by the time you're published it'll be hopelessly dated.

>>10695584
>Okay, I read that you motherfucker, now you have to read this too
>Heartgem Homestead
>Sexcraft Chronicles Book 1
>sexcraft
i-i don't know how I feel about reading that anon..

>>10687850
fuck is fantasoy?

>>10696291
>>10695584
>Sexcraft Chronicles Book 1
>Hal’s prepared to do anything for revenge, including becoming the apprentice of an alluring female sword master, and learning to use the magic of hot emotion, passion and lust.
>becoming the apprentice of an alluring female sword master
>female
>sword master
>WARNING: This is an erotic fantasy novel. It contains a significant amount of explicit sexual content and some adult emotional situations. Reader discretion is advised.
You aving a wank mate? You smagging yah gob AND takin the piss or sumtin?

>>10696294
It's pol. Just ignore them.

>tfw book of the long sun pales in comparison to book of the new sun

>>10696318
Pales, huh?

>>10696318
Pales, huh?

>>10696301
>>10696291
Despite that, it's pretty good. I don't know what the fuck the author was thinking when he named it, but he clearly wasn't in his right mind.

>>10696328
am I using that word wrong?

>>10696328
>>10696337
nice

>>10696328
>>10696337
We did it, reddit!

>>10694915

hopefully I will write such a book someday anon

i'll keep you posted

Just made this for you guys <3

>>10696261
>I am seriously getting tired of you "old books, best books" faggots.
Contemporary genrefic forms a transitional interface between past and future much like the scum of ponds between refreshing pools and limitless air. Tire you might, but escape us you will not :3

>>10696579
>missing an opportunity for twixt
Never mind OP, you win. Gonna end myself.

>>10696507
Two of your books are in the top 5 in this list. Which ones would you suggest?
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/92192.Empire_building_conquering_ruling

>>10694938
>it's kinda weird goodreads book suggestions for almost every genre are completely dominated by women authors, and the books themselves are always very highly rated, that is rating is hard to justify going by description and comments.

>>10695319
>Most of Goodreads users are casual female readers

That is why you read books written for male audiences. They are fun and entertaining. Those guys know what we want, and how to give it to us.

>>10696638
>My name is Felicia Belphere Metrune. I am the only daughter of Baron Alphonse Lartes Metrune. I am 7 years old. I haven’t always been Baron Metrune’s daughter, though.
>I was originally a 29 year old man who lived in Cornwall. One day I was hit by a truck and as a result, I was reincarnated into what at first seemed to be medieval Europe.
uuuuummmmm??

>>10696653
>That is why you read books written for male audiences
Like what? Super Sales? I usually read books I find interesting, not books targeted at my sex.

>>10696715
When will the cornish stop?

>>10696261
>being this mad
I never implied those things, faggot. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>10696261
>Edda is shit

>not having a grasp of all the major Indo-European mythologies
Well Grug'd, my man.

What makes gender fluid sci fi so interesting?

>>10687103
Damn, I wanted to read Silmarillion since 2010 and only had the opportunity to read it now, when I finally bought e-reader device.
I read about 25% of it in a few days (until Chapter 13) and... I cannot read any further. For some reason (maybe because of the LotR and Hobbit movies) I thought that Tolkien's main influence were mythologies of Indo-European peoples, first of all Germanic and Celtic ones. But Silmarillion is filled with Biblical motives. ALL it's morality and oldest mythology are the ones derived from the Bible.

But that's not the main problem. It looks like I was fed by George Martin/Andrzej Sapkowski-tier fantasy for too long and now I simply don't like the fully unscientific way he describes creation of his world. I don't like the concept of Eru Iluvatar, don't like his description of Sun and Moon and stars and don't like the fact that Arda turned out to be FLAT as it is mentioned in Silmarillion's chapter about Sun and Moon's creation.

So, I definetely should have read this book 8 years ago when I was still 14. Now I cannot appreciate it.

t. movie-fag from shithole where Silmarillion couldn't be found 8 years ago.

>>10697044
>It looks like I was fed by George Martin/Andrzej Sapkowski-tier fantasy for too long
It is never too late for repentance anon. There are still many good books to be read.

>>10697095
Well, honestly, I still think that George Martin is one of the best Fantasy authors because his works represent real medieval European mentality very well. The way his characters behave, think and talk - isn't it really authentic?

Can't say the same for Sapkowski though, now I cannot understand how could I love his books as a teenager.

>humans have expanded into outer space
>sea navies no longer exist

>>10697044
Needing to have elaborate creation metaphors spelled out to you in "scientific" terms isn't a sign you've matured as a reader. Quite the opposite, actually.

>>10697137
>best Fantasy
>represent real
I'm not sure you understand what Fantasy is anon. Historical fiction is it's own genre.

>>10697193
>spend years building magnificent carrier fleet
>space neanderthal drops a rock on it

>>10697213
Well those weren't just simple metaphors, more like strong influence of his religious views.

>>10697253
I think the best thing about Fantasy is that there are many different kinds of it and everybody can find something which will fit his taste.

I like Fantasy as a genre where you can use any folklore and mythological elements you like and create a world where you can use any plot twists you will find necessary. You definetely cannot use dragons or magic in historical fiction because it will just feel wrong, and since you write about historical events which already happened you are bounded by some plot borders you cannot cross. Yes, you can write some alternative history book, but I just find this genre pretty weird.

>>10697269
>>10697213
And I will add to my answer that my problems wasn't that they were "unscientific" but exactly the fact that they were borrowed from the Bible and not from ancient European mythology. I knew that he put a lot of references to the Bible in his works, but didn't think that they were so deep.

From where's a brother supposed to order used novels within Europe? I just want a bunch of trashy pulp fantasy.

>>10697193
ready Fall of Hyperion
also in realistic planetary navel situations surely you'd need plenty of ships and submarines which can traverse a variety of solutions, being extremely wacky water or other liquids entirely
>Red October set on planet with seas of mercury
now that I would read

>>10696715
>Cornwall
fookin rich cunts lives there aye

>>10696294
Fantasy for the soy generation like this sissy right here: >>10696305

Horns of Urth

Most beautiful female character in sci-fantasy?

I think it's Lanfear. N because of the description, but because of the reaction of everyone that sees her. She's probably as pretty as Helen of Troy.

are the people who post about sanderson being anime the same people that shit up the thread with litrpg garbage?

>>10694902
Andrew P. Weston's The IX maybe. It's about aliens abducting humans to fight against demon-like energy entities.

>>10697792
Pyanfar looks pretty swank when she's kitted out in red satin trousers.

>>10697792
what are some books where the evil girl actually wins the mc bowl?

>>10697431
>if you don't like pol shitting in your lit pond you are a sissy
>closing in 3..2..1

>>10697799
I love litrpg and hate sanderhack.
I also love Gene Wolfe and Zelazny

>>10697915
>4chan was founded more than 14 years ago
>anon still have not learned how to deal with trolls
I want both you and the /pol/ack to stop shitting up the thread for the rest of us. Fucking idiots both of you.

>>10694902
Is this litrpg? It's on this list >>10696638

>>10697915
You're the one who brought up /pol/, you daffy faggot. So fuck off.

>>10697193
Well you don't really need seaborn military forces when you don't have other enemies on the planet you're on.

David Drake wrote a story about PT boat mercenaries on a jungle Venus, IIRC the premise was that everybody lived in underwater domes but they were fighting over the limited amounts of land.

>>10697902
I think somebody on here said that Godsgrave has the MC fall for another female assassin who murdered her love interest from the first book.

>>10698056
yeah that's a good example but i've already read that
thanks though

>>10698056
Why would they fight over land when they have underwater dome technology? Sunshine privilege?

>>10697953
its not.

>>10698073
Only other thing I can think of is how in The Black Company the Lady kinda ends up with Croaker after she finds out he's been writing fanfiction about her being so cool and beautiful.

>>10698090
I was wrong. There's a summary below but basically they fight on the surface because the domes are so fragile, and not for land because it's covered with hellishly brutal jungle.
http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200210/0743435648.htm

>>10696507
no wonder good books are incredibly rare. when almost everyone has complete shittaste there is no incentive to put in the effort to write something thats actually good

>>10690444
no idea what the books are about but the cover tells me the author has night elf fetish and wrote self insert wish fulfillment trash

>>10692797
>implying fantasy was ever better
>implying all YA is garbage and not just most of it

>>10698165
>implying all YA is garbage and not just most of it
you're right. Sabriel is pretty good.

So, I'm watching a review for the boardgame Tak, and I find out it's a game played in the Kingkiller Chronicles.

Apparently the main character says something like, "He beat me all five times, but I am happy to say he did not beat me the same way twice."

That's a kind of humility mixed with confidence-- I accept that he's better, but I'm proud that I take every opportunity to improve-- that I wouldn't expect from the protagonist, who from all other discussion of the series, I've been told is kind of an asshole who constantly exaggerates his accomplishments. Why wouldn't he pretend he'd won?

>>10698219
>I'm watching a review for the boardgame Tak
rothfuss writes two books and he's got his own board game and all kinds of other shit.
the man is a fucking genius, I've been trying to tell you guys.

>>10698242
its cuz he's a vocal liberal so people suck his dick for his virtue signalling

>>10698252
awww somebody needs a safe space

Just finished this. The first left me hopeful, but the second crushed that pretty quick and the third just made it worse. I'm more disappointed in myself for even bothering.

>>10698309
what was wrong with it?

>>10698299
>"Want Book 3 to come out faster? Help me impeach Trump! That's how you can help!"
-Patrick Rothfuss

>>10698336
>demanding a safe space to protect you from the political views of pulp-tier fantasy authors

>>10698366
Glad to see liberals turn on their own rhetoric and ideas. Keep it up.

>think I've finally worked up the nerve to sit down and settle on a single project
>hear a song
>gives me a character idea for a completely different story
FUCK

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO JUST FUCKING WRITE? I JUST WANT TO SETTLE ON ONE PROJECT GODDAMN

>>10698309
God bless you poor saps for actually reading new fantasy.

I'm a dinosaur just because most shit just gets forgotten.

>>10698366
>Demand safe space in exchange for writing shit book
>Accuse anyone who criticizes you of demanding safe spaces

>>10698299
>>10698366
>this projection

>>10698309
FUCK ADARE
STAVELEY A CUNT FUCK AND SHOULD GET GUT'D
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU RUSH TO FINISH A TRILOGY
>NO OWL SHOWS
THIS MADE IT EVEN WORSE

>>10698396
Sir, I see you are a man of refined tastes. *tips*

I want to write stuff involving anthropomorphic animals but It has nothing to do with porn, its closer to a Redwall ripoff than anything else

Is there anywhere I could upload this stuff outside of furry spaces?

>>10698381
>>10698403
>>10698486
>demanding safe spaces to own the libs

>>10694277
China Mieville
Ursula K LeGuin
Neil Gaiman
Scott Lynch
Robert Jordan

>>10698641
why wouldnt you try and get it published? if you mean you want feedback, then there should be writing threads on lit every so often.

Is this any good?

>>10698871
It's fantasoy so no.

I don't normally ask writing questions, but what is a good way of introducing a lack of fossil fuels into a high fantasy world? Obviously the characters can't just be like "yeah we don't got no crude oil or coal shit sucks yo" because it doesn't exist and they can't conceive of it.

This is probably the best place to ask, I want to read some military sci-fi that has an emphasis on space dogfighting, like Star Wars' X-wings, or Wing Commander, any recommendations?

Something with a Firefly or Elite feel is cool too.

>>10687802
>Boomer liberal

She was an anarchist.

>>10694035
>enjoyed gene wolf and glen cook

time to read malazan, but finish all your other series first because they will be boring after.

Clarissa top tier waifu, fight me faggots.

>>10699345
Charcoal burning would probably be a much bigger profession and timber management would probably get developed earlier in civilization. But the lack of anthracite and other coals would likely vastly increase the cost of creating steel weapons.

The lack of petrolium products would be less troublesome. Usage was more limited until the early industrial period, though the Babylonians did use asphalt and the ancient Chinese used crude for lamps.

>>10699345
talk about the deforestation or transportation of wood to fuel wood burning for heating homes/cooking/boilers/etc

>>10699779
Imagine if all our fossil fuel deposits were replaced with metals

>>10699868
>>160540555
someone get kantbot

>>10699877
The what?

>>10699435
She was a femishit who wrote shit books.

>>10699971
>shit books
What books exactly? The Earthsea books (I've read the first 3) are great coming-of-age stories, YA that does not read like your usual YA (which is rare since the genre is shit, The Wizard Knight is one of few other books that come to mind). You could argue that they're generic but back when they were released they hardly where. Left Hand of Darkness reads like something that the Strugatsky brothers could have written, only slightly less Russian.

>>10699779
I would also think it's pretty fair to assume that, depending on your level of technological development, that electricity generation from natural sources (rivers/dams/wind) would advance more quickly without the availability of easier alternatives.

>>10688691
EVERY SINGLE TIME I SWEAR TO GOD

Should I actually read The Forever War? I've been meaning to read it for years but I'm starting to doubt if reading a book 2015 me wanted to read really is worth it.

>>10699390
>This is probably the best place to ask
You asked us before fqggot. Don't pretend this is your first time.

>>10700357
Go ahead and read it, even if you don't really like milSF. The sequels aren't really worth it though.

>read Out of the Dark because alien invasion shit is always fun and I liked the cover
>that twist
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>10700638
>The sequels aren't really worth it though
Does the first book work as a standalone?

>>10700665
Absolutely.

>>10696715
Is this a parody or did he really do isekai truck just in english...

>>10700652
It's where blindsight got the idea from.

So i just met a girl, who exclusively reads fantasy and Romance. Asked her about some basic philosophy books and she answered with a blank stare "No Anon i'm not into that stuff haha, but i guess trying out something new is good"

What does this mean? and how can a person who is reading many fanatsy books, or some shit about love never pick up anything from Hesse / Kant / Schopenauer / Dürrenmatt / Böll / Camus / Hemingway / Schlink. Like you know, you don't even have to read critique of pure reason, just some easy stuff like Steppenwolf.

How would you react? should i gift her Steppenwolf / Siddhartha? She told me that "anything love related would be good" I'm autistic and don't know what to do

>>10700893
It means she's not into that stuff, not her cup of tea, etc.
Are you actually autistic? Asking seriously, not trying to be mean.

>>10700915
Well i just wanna talk with her about books we both enjoy, as an example she loves "the hunger games", but i've never picked up such a book.

No Anon, sadly no one could actually diagnose me with autism yet.

What would be easier? picking up a fantasy book, or gifting her something that she might enjoy from my stash?

>>10700893
>if you don't read about the way somebody else thinks there is something wrong with you
Please select the relevant ones on pic related.

>>10700935
4, 12, 13, 14 but i don't think that this will solve the problem, my friend
Broke up 2 months ago from my long term relationship and she is the first girl i've met, who is actually into reading real books instead of just saying, that she likes reading, in order to look more like a "nerdy girl"

I guess that overcomming my autism would be the more essential step for talking with her about books she enjoys. Thank you Anon

>>10700893
>how can a person who is reading many fanatsy books, or some shit about love never pick up anything from Hesse / Kant / Schopenauer / Dürrenmatt / Böll / Camus / Hemingway / Schlink
This sentence alone is worth its own thread, best thing I've read in weeks. Like how the fuck would you?

Give her Lord of Light. Or this shit >>10690444, sounds like romance to me.

>>10690380
>that doesn't involve rape

>>10699619
should i keep going? i stopped at abbadon's gate or whenever the books stopped coming out on kindle and forgot to take another look

also space alien julie best girl fight me nigga

>>10699390
You read the X-wing series, yes?

>start writing my epic space opera
>read over what I actually wrote
>realize it's garbage
>throw it all out
>hate myself for being a talentless hack
>start over
>repeat
how do you cope with this feel

>>10698703
Blackball me from publishing, you'll pay one day. Every night I sleep and dream the screams.

>>10701170
switch over to hard sci-fi and drink in the autism of bleeding edge science.

>>10701237
solid advice

>>10701170
write a plan, then write random chapters until it gets to the point where you're not looking at 0.5 of a story, but five seperate 0.1 which need stiching together. much more satisfying to solve

>>10701170
REWRITE YOUR FIRST DRAFT YOU FUCKING MORON. Jesus Christ you wannabe author guys are so goddamn retarded that it's a miracle you guys can even memorize and string enough words together to post on 4chan. Do what I said and never post here again until you're done. And what goes for all of you prospective hacks.

>>10701237
I love the outline of my story though
I'm convinced it would be great if written by a competent author, the problem is I'm not one

>>10701297
this is solid advice will definitely follow this, thanks lad

>>10701303
I've rewritten my """first""" draft 5 times already and it's still shit that's the problem

>>10701321
You're never going to get better. Quit while you're ahead and stick to reading.

>>10701321
What exactly is your problem? Dialogue? Scene construction? Prose? There are books out there about all of these things, go give them a read.

>>10701371
all three could use significant improvement but getting in and out of a scene, establishing backstory, etc. is probably the weakest link

>>10687103
So "scifi then" would be
>I love sci-fi for the way it allows me to explore complex political and philosophical ideas and imagine other worlds.

whereas "sci-fi now" is
>how am I supposed to masturbate to this?

?

if we're chatting MOCs, could use a hand for a part of one of my stories.
essentially, need a better name than "AI-day" than the day that the evil Skynet-esc villain AI conglomerate emerges and fucks shit up.
>Judgement Day
yeah but preferable a little more realistic

>>10694349
>anyone else i should know of?
I second the other anon's mention of Guy Gavriel Kay. I'd add Michael Scott Rohan with "Chase the Morning", and Tad Williams with his Shadowmarch series (just make sure you take notes on all the names of all the fucking gods in all the fucking languages, I didnt and it turned out to be kinda important)

>>10701395
day of the machines?

>>10701378
Try taking a look at "Self-Editing for Fiction Writers" by Browne & King plus maybe "Scene & Structure" by Jack Bickham.

>>10701448
thank you I probably will

>>10701395
Silicon Rebellion
Robot Revolution
Madness of the Metal Minds
Scourging of the Flesh
Betrayal of the Automechanics
Rise of the Calculatrons
Dawn of the Electroservitor
Daythemachinesdividedfilthyhumansbyzero
Siliconocalypse
Day of the Metalminds
Robot Easter

I never thought I'd say to myself "Wordart anon was right all along"

BEGONE, THE LOT OF YOU

>>10701387
It's just mindless nitpicking, there's no underlying message. For example, in the travelers show there's a qt blonde that isn't in the picture. Then there's Orthega now that's also a qt, there's the qt from Westworld. The expanse and star trek are hopeless though.

Hey guys, I really want a book with a similar feel to the Phantasy Star video games. You know, like fantasy and swords and sorcery, but also with crazy sci-fi and planet-hopping and ancient horrors from beyond the galaxy kind of stuff. Any suggestions?

>>10701650
there's this one cunt who constantly posts these fantasy planetary maps or some bollocks, might be what you want

>>10701650
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16083032-the-galactic-mage

second book sucks but as a whole i love the series.

>>10701650
There's that Interstellar Mage that I didn't read because I thought it would probably be shit, but seems like it's what you are looking for. Read it and get back to us to say if it's good or not.

Comfy Sci-fi/Fantasy

What are your recommendations of comfy books? One that you don't have to worry about how many pages it will take until the MC's best friends are taken and tortured, have his waifu NTRed by cocky nobles, his planet bombarded, his sister taken hostage for blackmail etc? Just a book where you can sit back and relax while thinking "wow this is pretty good, very interesting" and stuff.

>>10701667
Just looked it up. It's a 5 book series. I just finished reading a 7 book series so I kinda wanna do some one-and-dones right now, but I'll put that on my list. It seems like it would be up my alley, thanks!

>>10701665
Also thanks. Will look into it!

>>10701684
The Gods Themselves

>>10701684
Howl's Moving Castle.

>>10701687
>Just looked it up. It's a 5 book series.
That's the wrong one. The first book just came out, literally "Interstellar Mage", but with such a unique title I can guess how many similar ones there are.

>>10701705
Or maybe you got the right one after all. I didn't know there was any prequels.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/list?id=7737246.Glynn_Stewart

>>10687748
weknowthiswedon'tdothisweareawareoftheunfortunateimplicationsyoudon'tneedtopointitout. weknowthiswedon'tdothisweareawareoftheunfortunateimplicationsyoudon'tneedtopointitout. weknowthiswedon'tdothisweareawareoftheunfortunateimplicationsyoudon'tneedtopointitout. weknowthiswedon'tdothisweareawareoftheunfortunateimplicationsyoudon'tneedtopointitout. weknowthiswedon'tdothisweareawareoftheunfortunateimplicationsyoudon'tneedtopointitout. weknowthiswedon'tdothisweareawareoftheunfortunateimplicationsyoudon'tneedtopointitout.

>>10701705
>>10701709
Ah, it came up as being related to "Starship's Mage" so I assumed it was part of the series, which it seems it is, but it's the first of its own arc. Now I feel like I should read some of the other stuff first, but that's even more daunting. Maybe sometime down the road. Seems like this one has to deal with Earth and our own solar system, which puts me off a little bit. I usually like to see non-Earth world building in these kinds of books.

>>10701731
starship mage and galactic mage are not related.
theyre only similar in the theme.

>>10701650
>girl
>wielding a sword
into le trash

>>10701747
Simmer down, /pol/. This is fantasy, after all.

>>10701749
>This is fantasy, after all.

>>10701743
We were talking about Interstellar Mage being related to Starship Mage, which they are. Says it on the cover.

Yeah, Galactic Mage is another thing that's also a 5 book series, but by a different author and completely unrelated.

>>10701770
i know im just half asleep and didnt read properly.
deleting my comment would just add to the stupidity.

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>>10701793
>>10701793

>>10701142
Sorry, I should have specified, I'm looking for something outside of the actual Star Wars universe But thanks for the recommendation anyways.

>>10701170
That ones that cope with it publish their shit. This is why genre fictions sucks balls most of the times.

>>10691188
Depends on the chick. Most longsword combat is technique and momentum.