/lit/ - Literature

>>10611303
I'm pretty sure that some of the characters and characterizations in Dark Forest (especially Zhang Beihai) were "compensation" for how hard 3BP came out against the Cultural Revolution.

>Sure, Mistakes Were Made in the past, but with things now are great and our dedicated political officers will put in the ideological work to make China Glorious!

Death's End pretty much completely dodges the questions of the CCP's future though. What we see of the government seems to be pretty much what Asimov or Clarke had in mind -- bland technocrats.

>somehow China manages to endure until the end of humanity despite losing a lot of relevance to the Fleet nations
Eh, so do American and Europeans, even if it's somewhat lip service. Actually, the Africans get pretty fucking short shrift. Over and over in the books he mentions American, Western, and Eastern consortiums/cultures/characters and even brings in fucking Australia but our Negroid compatriots were always conspicuously absent in such roll calls.

>he even mentions Legend of the Galactic Heroes
He refers to the galaxy as "the sea of stars" several times as well. I don't know if that's a LoGH reference or a common expression in Chinese though.

>inb4 the blue wizards

>>10611474
Zhang Beihai is a complicated character and as I see it you can interpret him as either a sane man that still tries his best, embedded in an inefficient, near-sighted regime that manages to hold on despite its best effots to wreck itself via its own byzantine bureaucracy and outdated, impractical ideas, or as a soft-hearted fool who didn't make a lick of difference in the end and whose indecision led to his and his subordinates' death. I was generally surprised Liu was able to get away with both his overt and more subtle criticism of Chinese politics, so either the censorship is starting to relax a bit, or it was just because he portrayed everyone else as being at least just as bad, or more often worse. The "feminized" future in Dark Forest seems to me a way of showing what western decadence and foreign influence can do to traditional Chinese values, or something along those lines.

The sea of stars, by the way, is definetely a LoGH reference. It's the third opening's title and a phrase mentioned often in the anime.

I'm also pretty sure Cheng Xin's boss in Death's End is meant to be named Thomas Wayne, with his insane schemes and all.

>>10611508
>Zhang Beihai
I don't think there's any question that his ideological zealotry was portrayed positively. Arguably there's a Straussian angle of "maybe Communism isn't literally good, but it's what we've got and the motivation is what's important". When he gets worn out and loses the fire, he dies.

Both the "feminized" society and the character of Cheng Xin in general are not-even-trying-to-hide-it criticisms of feminism. I mean, she repeatedly wrecks humanity out of soft-headedness and the whole disaster is initially enabled by how unmanly everyone is. However I don't think the message is anything the CCP has much disagreement with.

>>10611532
I wouldn't be so sure about Cheng Xin. Yes, she repeatedly ruins it for everyone over everyone and lives to regret it and do it again somehow, but in the end, she gets proven right in her basic ideals. It was all just not worth it, both humans and trisolarans were too small and short-sighted to see the bigger picture and her "feminity" is the only hope for a better universe than the shithole the dark forest deterrence creates, even if the extant races are fucked.

>>10611549
I've followed this conversation and I think you're broadly right here.

>>10611462
>>Who's your favorite wizard?
Hands down Ridcully.
>>Best book about wizards?
Face in the Frost. It's basically pic related in novel form.

>>10611641
Is Ridcully the Ron Swanson of Discworld?

Webnovels are novels too

>>10611658
As long as they don't feel like a 9th grader wrote them

Nynaeve is best girl.

>>10611549
>she gets proven right in her basic ideals
Does she? The pocket universe was a straight deus ex machina. If you're talking about the decision to leave it, I can see that. I just think the scenarios where her choices turned out poorly are more plausible than "sacrifice yourself so the universe can be reborn (maybe)". The ending felt somewhat contrived in order to produce a good outcome for Cheng's impulses -- although I'm not sure e.g. Wade would have chosen differently. And really, Cheng could have had it both ways -- more Solar humans survive AND she leaves the pocket.

The ambiguity around the correctness of her actions is to the author's credit though.

>pic related

>>10610487 #
>Nah. There's a difference between the natural strain of horror that runs through Sword & Sorcery and the outright nihilism of a lot of grimdark fantasy.
>natural strain of horror
>outright nihilism
Oh go fuck yourself. You just shit talking about modern genre books, but your precious s&s is exempt? People have been getting raped for amusement for millennia and still do, but I guess that is just nihilism revisionism.
I can't wait till the fall of Burgerland and rape is rampant across your territory, I wonder what you will tell your sisters /aunts/ mother/cousin, when a pulsating erect penis comes their way.

shit im late
sanderfag a hack

Shit I'm late. We did not get that many nominations and unfortunately I did not write down the suggestions in older threads, but it'll be fine. The nominees are:
>The Shadow over Innsmouth
By Lovecraft, ~150 pages
>A Night in the Lonesome October
By Roger Zelazny, 280 pages
>I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream
By Harlan Ellison, 134 pages
>Lord of Light
Also by Roger Zelazny, 296 pages

Poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/14963545

If there's a tie I'll decide.

>>10612026
i might be biased but shadow over insmouth is one of the first real horror books ive ever read.
so ill vote for that or failing that my second would go to i have no mouth and i must scream. though i have to mention the adventure game is miles better in my opinion.

>>10611922
>You just shit talking about modern genre books, but your precious s&s is exempt?
yeah? S&S tends to take place in moral universes where good is, eventually, rewarded, and bad punished. A scoundrel only gets to be hero if on balance he causes more good than harm, there's none of this introducing a paladin type and then killing him off to show how serious you are.

>>10612026
>splitting the Zelazny vote
You're making this hard on me, anon.

>>10612070
>though i have to mention the adventure game is miles better in my opinion
>re-released for linux 2013
Would you look at that, thanks for the recommendation.

>>10612178
It's a multi choice poll

>>10612209
If Zelazny wins LoL wins, even though I love it I have a soft spot for Lonesome October and wish more people would read it.

*teleports behind you*

psh I liked the Broken Empire trilogy

Who else likes reading about a tigerman fucking a vampire?

>>10612026
The I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream story is only like 30 pages though. Unless you're referring to the short story collection.

>>10612317
ive listened to the audiobooks that have been released so far.
honestly im pleasantly surprised. i expected a massive furfest but so far its rather enjoyable.
so far he hasnt actually didled anyone(zeta hack is the last ive gone through).
i can imagine the direction the series is going but im waiting for the audiobooks since i got used to the voices. does it get worse or better? i wouldnt mind if it stayed as is in terms of pacing and events but all the pussyfooting around certain matters is kinda grating.

>>10612332
I am referring to the short story collection. The nomination was actually for some audio book collection and while I have nothing against audio books I decided to pick something that can also be read instead.

>>10612357
Now I'm a little sad. I've only read the first two so far and the second one ended with some pretty heavy implications that a threeway was just around the corner.

Now I find out he gets blueballed for an entire other book. Bummer.

>>10612375
well theres a lot of sexual tension between the 3.
it would happen but theres uh circumstances that prevent it every fucking time. its kinda like you little bro comes into your room when you got a woman to yourself and refuses to leave. oh yeah and the room is 2k miles away from home at college where he possible couldnt show up but does every fucking time.
im pretty sure itll happen in the 4th atleast. but yeah he is getting blueballed for a while yet.

>>10612317
im much more interested in tamer the newest series from michael.
its like enemy mine but instead of getting stuck on a planet with some enemy alien mc gets stuck with a bunch of ayylien women. and they all want his D.

>>10612317
>Who else likes reading about a tigerman fucking a vampire?
>tigerman
>tiger
>man
Do you see the problem here?

Threadly Question.
Why aren't you reading Daniel Black anons?
It has the added benefit of having catgirls :3

>>10612673
They aren't finished. I hate unfinished series :3

>>10612171
Being good is never rewarded in real life.
I am fed up of capeshit trying to push morality on us. Where people are saved and the bad guy jailed... only for him to escape and kill more people before he is captured again. Why not kill him? you KNOW he is going to escape, one death saves tens of thousands, but I guess that is too nihilistic.
You cape fags are the cancer that kills fantasy.
>good for goodness sake
>turns the other cheek
>lets the guy rape his family and forgive him because it's teh right thing to do
There is a reason "grimdark" fantasy is gaining a rise in popularity. People are fed up of capeshit logic. Those books are a caricature of outdated customs. If someone hurts you, you don't turn the other cheek.
Superman killing/lobotomizing was the best thing for capeshit, there is a point where you have to stop and think, "why lock him up again". Too bad they didn't follow through.

>>10612591
tigers are awesome, men are awesome. Don't see the problem.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>10612719
You must be 18 to use this website.

>>10612026
>Lovecraft winning going away
I preferred the eras where Lovecraft was considered an emo hack.

>>10612879
>implying he's not still considered an emo hack
But still, a man's gotta have his indulgences.

>>10606814
>>10608223
>>10608613
>>10609068
Where can I get it?

>>10612751
Is that the follow up of Ages of Myth? Didn't like the first book desu. Thought it was pretty shitty.

>>10613131

>>10611462
>favorite wizard
i dont even know much wizards beyond gandalf, dumbldore and merlin
>best book about wizards
probably lotr

>>10612875
>I don't like what he says
>I'll call him underage b&

>>10612687
But catfag, he will get a catgirl harem. he will probably fuck his own daughter. who is going to be Bast

>>10613138
Second one is worst. i dropped the series after that.

>>10613623
>But catfag, he will get a catgirl harem.
incomplete stooooooory
>he will probably fuck his own daughter.
You're not helping your case here.

>>10612673
How's this book? You seem to be the expert on litrpg shit.

>>10613614
Well, yeah. Need it be said?

>>10613634
Fourth book soon ._.
Join us in degeneracy catfag. Big breasted catgirls who have hair triggered cunnies.

Is fanfiction, if actually written well, considered a novel? Is a story based on another's universe considered a novel if booklength and structured like one?

>>10612719
>gets educated on sword and sorcery
>spergs out about Batman for no reason

>>10613655
Why wouldn't it be?

>>10612673
Is Starfire good? I didn't like Larson's Steel world very much (haven't finished it yet, maybe I'll change my opinion). I like first contact stories.

>>10613653
>Big breasted catgirls
I'm now imagining Neal Stephenson writing about these and including a 30 page rabbit trail on the relevant zero-g physics and other effects.

>>10613814
He seems like an easy author to pastiche.

Name a bigger hack

>>10611687
That's not Min

>>10611942
Preach brother.
Sanderson lovers shoulde be relentlessly bullied from this general

>>10613875
Sanderson

>>10613875
it is impossible to write in the age of trump
(and also the 4 years previous)

>>10613814
The good thing about Brown (Black's author) is that he keeps shit short. If you are an engineering buff who likes survival books, or books about people using supplies to make something, or a living, you would love this series.

If you are an oldfag and grew up on the A-Team and liked that, then Daniel Black is your fantasy equivalent. Using magic to build machine guns, nuclear reactors, nukes, rp-grenades, c4, aircrafts, tanks, etc. Anyone that likes putting together shit will love this series.

>>10613641
not the guy you are responding to but it isnt a litrpg in the traditional sense.
also dont let the theme fool you you. its very unique on its own right. also it has feels.
a lot of feels. if you like emotions youll probably cry alot.

>>10613900
that is Sanderson

>>10613889
But we were the ones who started and continued the general until it because self sustaining... typical americlap. Come into an existing, already established environment, and try to kick the people out who made it.

>>10613916
I don't want feels anon... were you the one that recommended it a few thread back? The goodreads reviews says that they dropped it because of all the porn near the end of the book.

Blindsight was cool, but Echopraxia was pretty shit.

Is Rifters fungood?

well if you like vampires in space you should prolly try reading other garbage urban fantasy

Theres this awful series called the "dresden files" or something, you should read that.

>>10614057
theres barely any porn. its like two scenes in the first book that are maybe a page or two each.
its not erotica it just doesnt shy from telling you whats happening.
also just to clarify its not overly bad feels. its joy feels or feel feels. just give it a try and form your own opinion also book 4 in a month or so.

>>10614112
>well if you like vampires in space
Say no more senpai

>>10613915
Sigh...
How many books are planned?

>>10614153
Not sure. Three books are out. He is working on the fourth.
OH SHIT A NEW UPDATE
https://williamscorner.blog/

>>10614102
Starfish is creepy-good, but the rest of the series is a bit of a sprawling mess. If you're a hardcore Watt's fan then try it but I found it pretty mediocre. His shorter work bangs, Beyond the Rift is a nice collection of it, but it's all on his website.

>>10613915
>putting together shit
>A-Team

>>10612171
>>10612719
Never go full retard like this retard, anons.

So the Kingkiller Chronicle film they are making...

>The film’s script is being penned by Lindsey Beer, who served as a writer on “Transformers: The Last Knight.” It will be based on the first book in Rothfuss’ series, “The Name of the Wind.”

Ahahahaha oh god, ah-ha-ha-ha!!!!!11111111

>In 2016, Lionsgate tapped “Hamilton” star and creator Lin-Manuel Miranda to serve as creative producer and musical mastermind of the feature film and TV series adaptations of “The Kingkiller Chronicle,”

Oh god this is going to be a roaring success.

Enjoy your poz'd Kvothe lmao.

>>10612719
Imagine unironically defending grimderp lol

>>10614305
*hums A-Team's theme song*
I love it when a plan comes together.
Keep your disdain for McGyver

>>10614334
For the longest time, I had the impression that Name of the Wind was satire based on the intro.

>>10614397

>>10613925

>>10614409

>>10614417

>>10612304
Unironically me too

>>10612673

>tfw I have an idea for an emotionally complex story full of mystery and intrigue
>tfw it's generic fantasy schlock that makes the Iron Druid Chronicles sound good when describing it

Brandon Sanderson's books are to literature what Skyrim is to videogames.

He somehow manages not to excel at any facet of his work. To borrow from Bloom, he has no discernible talent. His dialogue is stilted and uninteresting. His characters feel more like plot-convenient afterthoughts than people. The plots themselves are generic filler, somehow managing to be even less interesting than million get-to-the-end-of-the-dungeon quests of Skyrim. His prose is "workmanlike" or "inoffensive" (read: shit) in the way that combat in Skyrim is "inoffensive". I challenge Sanderson fans (?) to name one thing that he does better than passably: one single thing he is actually good at.

The most common response to this is Sanderson's worldbuilding. Like Skyrim he impresses you at first with the scale and detail of his worlds but even this is quickly revealed to be flat and cliched. How many times can Sanderson get away with his utterly inane caste-system-attempting-to-be-some-kind-of-political-allegory?

>but muh magic system
Even if you're a fan of the sub-genre consisting of explaining everything about magic until it ceases to be magic (why would you be?), Brandon Sanderson does not do this particularly well. His magic basically devolves into people flying around and hitting each other because Sanderson (and his fans (?)) think this is the height of entertainment. People describe his works as anime but it should be specified that it's the anime aimed primarily at 10 year old japanese boys (yum).

>muh cosmere
Fans (?) of Sanderson think of him as some kind of genius and of his books as some kind of unified masterpiece because "it happens in the same universe xd". The "co-smere" is the shitsmear on the toilet-bowl which is his writing. Sanderson insults his readers (?) by using a gimmick originally conceived to sell capeshit with lacklustre tie-ins.

>B-But he writes fast
More evidence of him being a shit writer. It takes time to write and all the best fantasy authors spend a long time on their works to ensure we get the highest quality (see for example Rothfuss).

>you haven't even read all his books
No shit. I've read enough to make a judgement.

The only possible justification for people reading his mediocre works that I can think of is a desperate attempt to fill in the hours between now and the time they die. At least Skyrim has loli/shota(yum) mods, Sanderson's nutcase religion manages to stop him on this front too.

Read BoTNS

>>10613655
Any specific recommendations?

>>10614102
This >>10614288 anon is right.

Try The Island, it might be the best thing Watts has ever wrote. Also some of his short stories are great.

>>10614334
Can Kvothe BE more pozzed than he already is in the book? He's already an ambiguously gay twink who gets assraped.

>>10614726
Sir, I have taken a liking to your post and wish to have your permission to reproduce it as a "pasta." You will be paid a fee of one (You) for this service.

Thank you

>>10612673
Where is super sales? That is like a mercenary group. when is book 2 audiobook dropping? You said end of January. You made me read this shit and only one book is out

>>10614817
My good lady, as usual all my work is licensed under the wtfpl and available for all use, free of charge.

I've already found some things I don't like about it when reading in post form. Stay tuned tuned for the next version.

>>10614665
Quick read right? That is more than half the book.

>>10614875
audiobook got delayed because jeff hays pulled out to make his own recording studio label. its now done by podium publishing and read by nick podehl.
on average an audiobook of a ~250 page book takes about 3 months to produce.
audiobook guys usually tend to work on multiple books at once and rest their voice a lot to prevent damage or sickness that would alter their voices.
jeff hays is a cuck tough for pulling out. id expect the audiook for the second book in a month or two.

>>10614935
>in a month or two.

>>10613655
I mean Brian Herbert's Dune works are concidered novels. So I guess the difference between fanfiction and "official work" is whether you're a part of the original authors estate or not.

>>10611462
Great, now I'm having a nightmare about spiders, and will wake up in the middle of the night searching under my sheets for a giant spider. Fuck you.

>>10615158
>Great, now I'm having a nightmare about spiders
You a sleep-poster?

Got two audiobooks from Audible not too recently, Promise of Blood and The Final Empire. Just finished the former and started the latter.

Promise of Blood I felt was pretty good. If I had to grade it, I'd probably give it a B. There were some times where the exposition was heavy-handed and it felt like the author forgot he was writing a book and just started telling me directly about his latest tabletop campaign. The setting was alright, and I thought the powder mages were pretty cool, though I could've gone without certain details. I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why "Doing magic makes you really horny" had to be a detail in this universe. I get it, these royal dickheads are sick and depraved, but adding in this aspect makes me think you're juvenile. And I liked the different narratives, but the maid really got shafted. Her narrative appears, what, four, maybe five times in the entire book? Half the time I forgot it existed, and I can't even remember her name.

Just started The Final Empire today, and I think I can already tell I'm not going to like it as much as Promise of Blood. I thought parts of PoB's exposition was heavy-handed, but my god, I feel like TFE is just beating me over the head with repetition so I know what the setting and characters are like. I'm already hoping whatshisface "the survivor" stops fucking smiling so the author will stop cluing me in about it. Oh, and foreshadowing. The backstory probably involves some former hero turning evil and is now the overlord or whatever they call him now. I really hope that's not the case though, because it is painful how obvious the author is making this "twist". Dude, you're just shooting yourself in the foot now. It's not going to be clever when you reveal this near the end of the book if everyone can see it coming a mile away.

>>10615182
*now I'm going to

I am le tired

>>10615186
>It's not going to be clever when you reveal this near the end of the book if everyone can see it coming a mile away.
It does happen but it's not the twist.

>>10615186
>not too recently
*not too long ago
Bleh, and I can't even blame this on being tired.

>>10615202
Well thank fuck for that.

>>10615186
Oh, and this isn't a criticism, just an observation, but I thought it was really weird when PoB and TFE both had people gain superhuman senses by ingesting a material mundane in our world. Is this something that happens a lot in fantasy, or just pure coincidence?

>>10615214
McClellan studied under Sanderson and they're very good friends. This is the power of the Sanderson Dojo.

Brandon Sanderson is to fantasy what Dimmu Borgir is to black metal.

>>10615257
>Dimmu Borgir is to black metal.
Spells this out to those of us who don't pay attention to black metal.

>>10615264
Dimmu Borgir is to black metal what Big Bang Theory is to comedy.

>>10615279
>Big Bang Theory is to comedy.
Spells this out to those of us who don't watch TV.

>>10615284
Big Bang Theory is to comedy what Brandon Sanderson is to fantasy.

>>10615284
Big Bang Theory is to comedy what Brandon Sanderson is to fantasy.

>>10615292
Reported for jinxing.

>>10615279
>Big Bang Theory is to comedy.
Now that's an analogy I can understand. Yeah, if TFE doesn't do anything for me, I'm probably just going to avoid Sanderson in the future. I read the Wikipedia page describing the magic in Mistborn a while ago and thought it was interesting, so I'm mostly reading this now to see if he was actually right or just full of shit.

>>10615304
>""""magic""""
Mistborn is a medieval-tech superhero story.

>>10615313
Go easy on me, I just started.

Though the Knacked in PoB, which were OK, reminded me a bit too much of the mutants from X-Men for my liking. If it'd been said they were byproducts of magical tampering or something, I could take that, but them just existing alongside everyone else is just odd.

>>10615321
The whole trilogy is pretty rough, but he seems to have his notes together by the end. Too bad the second trilogy crapped the bed. Sanderson's at least got the same level of quality through his main series.

>>10615334
>Too bad the second trilogy crapped the bed.
Well, color me curious.

>>10615347
>comically evil governor who murders a commoner in a duel every morning and loudly complains about the "liberals" who want him to stop

Daniel Black is fucking garbage and the only reason no one is complaining is because i'm the only one who got tricked into reading it.

>>10615352
Oh jesus, he let his politics get into his work?

>>10615361
I don't know if the rest of the book was good because I stopped there and none of the characters introduced previously had drawn me at all. They were somehow more oppressed and less desperate.

>>10615369
>I don't know if the rest of the book was good because I stopped there
Oh. Well, I hope you can understand my disregarding your opinion then.

>>10615214
>Oh, and this isn't a criticism, just an observation, but I thought it was really weird when PoB and TFE both had people gain superhuman senses by ingesting a material mundane in our world
Anthony Ryan turns it up to 11 by ingesting dragon blood. Blood junkies jonesing for a fix

>>10615388
...Was he writing about the Blood Dragons?

>>10615358
I got tricked into reading it and love it.
You probably don't have the imagination or mental capacity to appreciate engineering.
Quick Question, do you like technology?

Any good Egyptian themed SF or F out there?

Ancient Greece or Sword and Sandal in general is cool too. Assume I've already read David Drake's various "The Odyssey with Plasma Guns" adaptions of Greek history.

>>10615419
Dragon safari by Anthony Ryan. A new book dropped last year i think.

>>10615432
Red Pyramid by Rick Riordon

>>10615372
Your funeral.

>>10615358
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22500562-fimbulwinter
>Summoned to a world in the midst of apocalypse, Daniel Black would have his hands full just staying alive. Add in refugees, desperate soldiers, scheming nobles and a pair of thoroughly wicked witches, and life is going to be very busy indeed. Good thing he has magic of his own to even the scales. But will even that be enough?
>Warning: This novel contains graphic violence, inventive sex, unconventional opinions and a protagonist who has no interest in being normal. Read at your own risk.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Not in a million fucking years!

>>10615452
>let me give you an incomplete opinion on something

>>10615432
The Anubis Gates. Creatures of Light and Darkness. The King Must Die.

>>10615432
David Gemmell's Troy trilogy. Though it's more historical fiction than fantasy. Still great.

>>10615452
How would you know if you never finished it?

>>10615455
I've read a lot of bad books and I know when I'm reading another one. I told you there were other signs.

>>10615454
>Warning: This novel contains graphic violence, inventive sex, unconventional opinions and a protagonist who has no interest in being normal. Read at your own risk.
I think this adds to the books meta with a trigger warning. I wonder if tumbshit still read and foamed at the mouth.

>>10615465
From what you told us, you got triggered by an evil dude mentioning liberals. Forgive me for not taking you at your word.

>>10615452
>Your funeral.

>>10615472
Why are you so angry? I just said it's your funeral. I won't stop you from reading it. I can't.

But you're going to read it and you're going to hate it. Funny, isn't it?

>>10615498
>Why are you so angry?
Is this the new internet strawman strategy now?
>You're stupid, here's why.
>lul, why so angry?

>>10615452
>>10615465
Gaze upon this pseud sffg. This waste of space is one of the cunts in this general who reads a few pages, drops a book, then proceeds to tell you how bad sad book is without even completing it.

>>10615507
>new

>>10611462
>pic
Is there a book where something like this happens?
>Hero goes into the dark woods to seek a great wizard for help.
>Suddenly, giant spider!
>Prepare for battle!
>"Hey, I'm the wizard. What can I help you with?"

>>10615509
Waiting on your glowing review of Sins of Empire by Brian McClellan.

>>10615518
>this is my rebuttal

>>10615526
>yes

>>10615525
Its in goodreads.

>>10615525
>"You can't criticize my review of something if you haven't reviewed it! CHECKMATE!"
Do you understand how retarded you sound right now?

>>10615507
Anon, if you're not angry you're a very good actor.

>>10615532
You... you're right. I sound retarded. You are absolutely correct. I retract my previous statement. I was a fool for dropping that novel, and twice the fool for opining on the sample that I had read. Have you any forgiveness in your heart for such as I?

>>10615545
No. Shameful dishonorable display
Seppuku now

>>10615547
>Seppuku now
I'm pretty sure that's spelled "Sudoku"

>>10615532
I was asking you to prove me wrong. Maybe it didn't suck, maybe the retarded characterization all through the chapters before Stock Evil Aristocrat was a facade and the book suddenly got good, but that actually never happens. You don't have to eat the entire apple to know it's rotten.

>>10615559
It's an opinion, I can't prove you wrong. I'm simply disregarding your opinion because you admitted you didn't actually read the entire book. Which would make your opinion at the very least incomplete.

>>10615565
>I'm simply disregarding your opinion
You've been harping about my opinion for twenty minutes anon.

>>10615573
And you've been defending it for twenty minutes. So who's more retarded here? The guy who dismisses an incomplete opinion, or the guy who doesn't bother to finish a book and then gives an opinion on it anyway?

>anon is mad that no one is listening to him after he admitted he hasn't completed a book
You can't fake these autism spregs

>>10615257
I don't know if you're trying to insult or praise Dimmu/Sanderson. In my opinion Dimmu is pretty good and has a high level of production, taking some heavy aspects from black metal and applying some melodic/symphonic bits to it, creating a fun, heavy, and intense sound. Yeah, it's a bit cheesy, but so is 99% of fantastical extreme metal. In my experience the people who get buttblasted about Dimmu not being "tru3 kvlt" enough seem to hate the music for not being underproduced incomprehensible noise like darkthrone or something. What's next, is Emperor going to be considered pleb music for having a modicum of melody and interpretable vocals?

/sffg/, I can't decide. What should I go with

>a cringey but fleshed-out fantasy concept that re-uses themes and plot twists from my first story
>a story that looks original but in practice is a blatant homestuck ripoff

>>10615634
See: >>10615279

>>10615644
They're both gonna suck so it's not like matters.

>>10615660
>>10615279
This analogy disappoints me. How are they similar?

>>10615644
The latter. Most people don't know what Homestruck is and couldn't call you out on it.

>>10615594
>The guy who dismisses an incomplete opinion
Nobody did this. I want to be very clear: you want to somehow convict this anon in the court of public opinion here, then, what, boot him from /sffg/? Get anons to stop telling people what they think of books they didn't finish? Your sperging out is going to start a golden age?

This is 4chan. It is going to be 4chan.

>>10615696
>Nobody did this.
I did.

>you want to somehow convict this anon in the court of public opinion here, then, what, boot him from /sffg/?
Please give me advance warning before you annihilate my sides. No, literally none of this is correct, and I think you're crazy to think that it is.

>This is 4chan. It is going to be 4chan.
Yeah, so let people have their opinions. Oh, except mean people like me who have opinions about opinions. We just can't be allowed here.

>>10615723
You're right, it was having an opinion about opinions that was bad. My bad, I'm sorry. It wasn't 30+ posts about why you are such a good person for pointing out someone didn't finish a book.

Wow. I just finished Toll the Hounds and ho. lee. shit. Those last few chapters...

That was the only fantasy I've read that has ever made me legit tear up a bit. Am I a faggot?

>>10615731
This is gold. You're desperately searching for a stick to beat me with, you're seeing things that aren't there. I don't give a shit about any moral high ground, so... you're wrong. Again.

You should really develop a thicker skin. You should've just responded to my post saying I was going to disregard your opinion with something like
>Well, I didn't think the book was going to get any better, but you do you.
or something like that, rather than carry out this crusade.

Oh yeah, and that's another thing. Don't try to take the amount of posts/time someone's dedicated to a conversation and use it as an insult if you've been taking part in that very same conversation.

But seriously, you could've stopped earlier, and then you wouldn't have made yourself look like a complete ass to everyone in the thread. But at least you delivered on some sweet luls.

>>10615644
The one with catgirls. Pick that one.

>>10615771
anon did say they read McClellan's previous three books, which I also did after I kept seeing them appear in recommendation lists. After reading that much of the author's storytelling capabilities they were justified in offering an opinion without finishing the book

>soneone didn't like my favorite book
>NO YOU ARE WRONG
>WAAAAAAAH

>>10614334
>who served as a writer on “Transformers: The Last Knight.”
>Transformers
Based on this it will be a steaming pile of shit, and a roaring success desu.

>>10614726
>the best fantasy authors
>see for example Rothfuss

>>10615358
I got memed into reading Tamer. A book about dinosaurs and hot girls. One can wonder: how could an author possibly fuck it up? It's hot girls and dinosaurs! If you're curious about that, just read this fucking pile of shit.
>spend the first 30 pages describing each of the 20 hot girls on a pool party
After that the book finally starts. I don't know if any of the girls in the party made it past this chapter, but I wouldn't count on it more to I think it matters. After a battle, some survival, the guy finds some more girls.
>starts describing girls again
There's supposed to have a dialog around here, but apparently the MC is too retarded to talk and look at the same time. It gets really annoying. Around this part I start to feel like maybe those feminazis are justified in some of their concerns about males, after all, one wrote this crap! The last straw was the GUI, skills and attributes. Now it makes sense! It's a fucking litrpg! For such a quick read that I had (since I dropped probably before a fifth), this """book""" really had a lot of bad in it. It's a good lesson on what not to do, if you are planning on writing something, imo.

>>10615432
>ancient greece
Latro in the Mist. I'm currently reading it and honestly I think it's even better than BotNS.

>>10616996
>better than BotNS.
bollocks, why?

Can someone give me some novels similar to the World of Darkness stuff? It doesn't even have to be supernatural, though I guess that's preferred. Just that kind of always-dark, gothic, seedy, urban setting.

>>10616998
different anon, also think new sun is better but can understand why some would prefer latro.

if you know your greeks then you'll get a lot out of it. you can tell gene wolfe "started with the greeks". also the way the story is told is remarkably poignant.

>>10616998
It's worth mentioning that I'm only about 1/4 finished with Latro. The writing in BotNS remain the most enjoyable I've read but I think I prefer the setting, story and main character in Latro. I'm also a huge fan of the ancient Greeks and historical fiction in general while the parallels to Christianity in BotNS do not interest me much.

>>10615432
Throne of Bones has some Roman culture in it. I didn't like it very much, it was a bit dull, but I've seen other anons recommend it here. A nice side benefit is that Vox Day, the author, is a notorious anti-sjw, although it does not show at all in the books. Take a look at the goodreads page of his book and you'll see all the butthurt from people who didn't even read it.

About the book itself, it's pretty long and has many POVs. I didn't like any of them, that's why I dropped it. There didn't seem to be much plot to it either (or I didn't get to it), aside from some wars and witchcraft.

How does one acquire a Science Fiction girlfriend?
Today I was at a SF bookshop/comicbook shop/pop culture merch shop and force once there were nice looking qts there
Not the typical hambeasts
How can they be engaged in conversation when they are strangers in a public place?

>>10615358
Daniel Black is the most fun series I've read in the past year or so. I just don't post about it because there's not much to discuss.

>>10617121
>How can they be engaged in conversation when they are strangers in a public place?
they can't, you weirdo
just sign up for book clubs or situations where they're looking to talk to people
alternatively, if you see them chatting to any guys, maybe go talk to the lads instead as it's a lot easier to open up conversation with a bloke as a bloke (I find). paint yourself as someone who needs friends and maybe you'll be invited into their friend group.

>>10614334
>>10614409
>>10614750
stop making fun of rothfuss NOW

>cruel angel's thesis on the stormlight 3 soundtrack

>>10616188
No he didn't. He said he read book one.

>>10615755
Is that the one with the an hero that was abused and died for his friend's sins? beak / bleak? His mother raping him was hot though i did get feels from that.

>>10616522
Hey Becky lemme smash.

>Latro series unfinished
>Wolfe turning 87 this year

>>10617607
Oh, don't worry. I'm sure Branderson will finish it if he dies.

>>10614170
Thanks for the blog anon. I'm shitposting the hell of it. Whomever recommended this series thank you. Engineering is fun. It's kinda like a more mature Sanderson. I think the reason I like Sanderson is because of his "using x to do y" approach of magic. And Daniel Black does the same, only turned up to eleven.

How do I avoid feeling like im writing an anime when all but one of my characters are nonhuman (not standard fantasy races, but shit like nagas) by necessity?

>tfw one is literally

>>10617113
Has the sequel for Throne of Bones come out yet? Last I seen he's released half of it.

>>10617805
Don't make them humans with a quirk.

>>10617425
Of trilogy two.
>The whole trilogy is pretty rough, but he seems to have his notes together by the end. Too bad the second trilogy crapped the bed.

>>10617833
So, like what? Weird psychology? Weird biology?

>>10617650
Don't even fucking joke about that.

>>10617805
Don't make a situation where all but one of your characters are nonhuman by necessity. It's your world, if you have a problem with something, change it.

But if you want us to help you, tell us why you have to do this "by necessity."

Hello /lit/,
I am currently looking for a fantasy book with a primitive magic setting.
I would like the book not to focus on politics or war but instead to focus on this magic and its development or battles involving any kind of primal magic.

Do you think there is anything like that ?

>>10618193
Writers' notes. Seriously, this sounds like the kind of thing writers would have as background information for their setting, not as something they actually dedicate a story to.

>>10618193
This actually sounds interesting, but the only problem I can think of is how slowly technology in our world developed.

>>10614935
>Jeff hays pulled out to make his own recording studio label
Couldn't he wait till book 2 was done? This is bad business practice. If you made an agreement, stick to it. Does he think people will be willing to work with him after they find out he is an oathbreaking cunt?

>>10618300
doesnt matter apparently hes already had work lined up for him and people are fighting over him to narrate their books.
hes like the nolan north of audiobooks.

>>10618306
That everybody likes chests was funny, I have to admit.

>>10618192
Thought this over and you’re right, I don’t need a cast of monsters. What I do need though is a “changeling explanation” for why only kids tend to wind up in a fantasy world

>>10618277
War causes great innovations

>>10618559
Do you think war in Syria caused great innovations?

Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but don't feel like polluting the front page with a useless question and people here are more likely to have read it.

What version/translation of Nibelungenlied do you guys recommend?

>>10618618
It caused the American public to hate the warmongering Democraps and Neocons even more so I'd say that was pretty innovative.

>>10614170
>reads blog
>Two months to write two chapters
What a cuck. Can't even write

>>10617979
All of that plus weird culture.

>>10618559
This meme needs to die. Not only is it annoying to hear on the internet, but villains with
>WAR MAKES YOU STRONGAH!
are just pathetic. It's one step up from just plains evuls, which somehow makes it worse.

>>10618618
probably, Russian intelligent weapons are looking nasty

You folks ought to read Tolkien. He's good at his craft. Tom Bombadil is the best wizard.

>>10618559
relatively yeah, but not quick enough for one character's journey, unless it's over a very long lifetime
Unless your magic system seems to unoccult itself as it's discovered, causing some exponential rate of discovery. Like, what if discovering gravity immediately (like, within minutes) proved the sun was the centre of the solystem, etc etc

>>10618785
Tolkien's wizards are just angels, and Bombadil is a friendly Cthulhu.

>>10611474
And yet Reinhard never beat Yang.

>>10618872
I hate that you're right?

>>10618877
The only Russian I know is "da," "nyet," and "cyka."

>>10618916
blyat cyka

>>10618916
"rush b"

Pre-Tolkien fantasy is the best fantasy. Prove me wrong, nerds.

Pro-tip: You can't.

>>10618933
Yep!

>>10618969
Nope. Had to look this one up actually.

>>10618751
While I'm solidly in the war/innovation camp, I agree that it's insufficient as a motivation. Nobody IRL starts wars to drive innovation. They start wars because they like their country and they want it to have more stuff, or because they like the world being peaceful and they want to stop someone else before they start, and they start wars because they've got rivalries with other politicians and there's no other way to one-up them, they start wars because of deep-seated issues from their childhoods, they start wars because of honor and feuds and all kinds of reasons that aren't ivory-tower intellectual stroking, because wars are very dangerous and actually pretty bad for business.

which sffg books have the best titles?
>>10617607 "Latro in the Mist" is one of the best book titles ive ever seen.

>>10619009
name your top 5 pre-Tolkiens, here's mine:
KoED
BE SKEERED AND AWA' FRAE BRANDOCH DAHA
Broken Sword (beat Fellowship by a few months, still counts)
Night Land
Day Boy and Night Girl

>>10619235
Demon Meat for Dinner

>>10611549
I read all Three Body trilogy last december. Find Death's End melancholic and a bit unsatisfactory.

Last weekend take a trip on Ayahuasca and in the deepest part of it I can't stop thinking on the end of the Universe, that feeling of melancholy amplified x1000 and a lot of things I can't describe. A voice told me "Ah that fucker, death's end is universe's end".

So... Death's End remains unsatisfactory but the idea is now cosmically engraved in my brain

What's Red sister like? Haven't seen many opinions on it here besides "better than his previous stuff", but that isn't saying a lot.

>>10619687
Three Body peaks your interest and gets you smiling wryly.
Dark Forest shits in your ear then slaps you with it's dick while you laugh maniacilly
Death's End has you close the book a few times and stare solemnly out the window wishing it was raining to make the moment more atmospheric

you read The Wandering Earth?

>>10619775
it's worse than his later stuff

Just finished McNaughton's "Throne of Bones" short story collection. Anything else that blends Robert E. Howard and Lovecraft so effectively? I'm finding it hard to leave the world he created.

>>10619775
lol, the Prince of Thorns guy? All I remember is /sffg/ trashing him a while ago.

>>10619122
>wars are very dangerous and actually pretty bad for business
Nah. You just need to start them on some other continent. Like US does since WWII

>>10612719

>>10611280
MAM
https://transfer.sh/roDso/Obelisk%20-%20Stephen%20Baxter%20%28EPUB%29.epub

>>10614750

Did he get assraped before or after his GF locked him in a chastity cage and made him watch her ride a literal cock carousel

>>10619822
Go away, no time travelers allowed.

>>10619823
Give me an epub or mobi. I found it on hulkload, but it keeps saying "wrong captcha" even though there isn't even a fucking captcha in the first place.

http://hulkload.com/vvgins8bidfn

>>10615509

If you didn't know by the end of the first sentence of the first page that Prince of Thorns was literally the worst literary abortion in the history of written language then you might be legally retarded. I only kept reading the following five pages to laugh at them until the reality that this drooling manape was actually published sank in and then it became too depressing to be funny.

So tl;dr: no, you don't always have to read the book start to finish, or every book in a series, or the explanatory essays at the author's blog, to determine if something is textual fæces

>>10619963
You're in for a real treat. Too bad dude only wrote one book.

http://93.174.95.27/foreignfiction/get.php?md5=0cbbdb5d53ef1c155e74d096c04ab964&key=8A5E4CE7HDJBA4BA

>>10619986
I dunno. Read a review for it up on blackgate.com and it sounds sorta grimderpish. But then again the reviewer could be a pussy.

Crysania is a frustrating character.
>my faith!
>my dripping twat for Raistlin!

>>10619963

Link I gave didn't work, deleted and reposting to search results for you.
You're in for a real treat. It's too bad dude only wrote the one book.
http://libgen.io/foreignfiction/index.php?s=throne%20of%20bones&f_lang=0&f_columns=0&f_ext=0&f_group=1
>>10619995
Reviewer is probably a pussy. It is pretty dark, but it's legit some of the best horror/fantasy I've ever read.

>>10620001
If you guys can't get it from here I'll even go through the trouble of ripping it from my kindle and throwing it onto a DDL site for y'all.

>>10620001
>>10620037
I got it the first time you posted it, bruh. Thanks. Don't know why that fucking hulkload link doesn't work. Asking for a goddamn captcha when there isn't one.

>>10620047

Enjoy. I'll lurk around to see what you think of it.

>>10619964
>don't always
>Translation: "The exception proves the rule!"

>>10619999
That's the worst fantasy map I've ever seen. At least put some effort in.

Tell me your favourite

>space opera novels/series

>post apocalyptic novels

>>10619926
Before. When he entered the city for the first time. If Kvothe is a set piece that represents Rothfuss, does that mean he was assraped as a young boy?

>>10620132
I know I can tell you it isn't an anime.

>>10620169
Kvothe is too weird to represent anyone. He gets brutally raped in a city, then when he goes back, he gets all misty-eyed about when he was a kid (even though he still is a kid, but this is also a guy not even twenty talking about a misspent youth). When Rothfuss wants to be write ASOIAF, everything gets dark and grim. When he wants to write Harry Potter, everything gets not that.

>>10620169
>>10620355
Ooh, I was looking for this.

What is the Code Geass of literature?

>>10620087
The only way that would be forgivable is if that's just what the land's inhabitants thought it looked like/a crude in-story representation.

>>10619809
Just finished it. Didn't know it was a short story.
Some of the themes that appear on Dark Forest / Death's End especially that dread of the unknown.
It's raining lightly outside.

>>10620873
Use this gif anon.

>>10620873
>>10621279
Or this.

I'm having trouble explaining why humans inevitably end up in my parallel fantasy world, and why they choose to stay there when it's normally easy for them to go back to the real world (it can't be something that prevents them from living in the real world like no longer being able to eat the food).

>>10621333
>why they choose to stay there when it's normally easy for them to go back to the real world
Some might go back, but a lot of people would stay in a new place if they made a deep enough connection. Maybe the parallel world allows someone to walk again, fixes partial blindness, maybe their asthma doesn't affect them there, mental illness that was conceived by a blow on the head in the real world doesn't affect there.
There are myriad of reasons.

>>10621333
>>10621395
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dust_Factory

Wowzers! The Kingkiller Chronicle is a great fantasy series by Patrick Rothfuss. Why haven't you read it yet? It deserves to be in your "selected fantasy" image.

>>10621395
>a lot of people would stay in a new place if they that makes sense. They could all have shitty lives that they don't want to go back to and friends they've grown attached to

>Maybe the parallel world allows someone to walk again, fixes partial blindness, maybe their asthma doesn't affect them there, mental illness that was conceived by a blow on the head in the real world doesn't affect there.
Not that, but I figure they would slowly develop magic there. The issue is that they're given those powers to accomplish dangerous tasks that they need some motivation to pursue

>>10621480

>tfw doing a six month creative writing course

Do you nig-nogs even aspiring author?

>>10611474
>not "THE IMPERIAL CHADMIRAL"

>>10621663
I took 4 creative writing courses as electives while in college. 2 non fiction, 1 poetry, 1 fiction. I would have done all fiction, but there were only 2 available and were super competitive to get into. I only managed it in my senior year due to seniors having highest registration priority.

Anyway, I can tell you that half your coursemates will have no writing ability whatsoever, but you will be forced to pretend that they do. There's going to be at least one weird person, can be guy or girl, that writes about bizarre shit that tanks the mood of the classroom. You will dread whenever this person shares their work. If you're lucky there will be at least one person with real talent, and you will genuinely enjoy reading their work. Then you will become depressed because it makes you realize how mediocre you are.

I poured over my coursemate's stories and gave detailed feedback in the margins. I was lucky if I got back 3 copies of my stories with more than a couple notes scrawled on them.

Overall it was a waste of time.

fuckno. come on gene wolfe, notlittle severian. why? ;_;

>>10621788
Yeah I don't have high hopes but it's better than sitting around watching japitoons all day.

>>10619897
Thanks a LOT, anon.

>>10622039
It wasn't there the last time I checked nor was it available from my multiple overdrive cards so clearly the upload gods have blessed you anon.

Is there anything else you're after?

>>10622093
The Killing Star by Charles Pellegrino and George Zebrowski if I were lucky and worthy enough to be twice blessed.

>>10622122
>The Killing Star
The unfortunate fact about this one is that it is not available in ebook form (according to worldcat) and no scan appears to exist. (As opposed to the baxter anth where someone most likely bought the ebook copy and ripped it).

An audiobook copy does exist http://audiobookbay.nl/audio-books/the-killing-star-charles-pellegrino-george-zebrowski/ (let me know if the AB copy is not well seeded) so I suggest you listen to that one (because the chance of people scanning an unknown book that old page by page (which takes hours if you don't destroy the book) is very slim).

I think a tripfag commented on this book a while back and we came to the conclusion that it's unfindable and no scan exists.

Give me a book about a derelict space ship/station.

One setting that tickles my fantasy the most

>>10621480
I have a friend who unironically loves Rothfuss's work. He considers the wait for the third book worth it because of how incredibly good he thinks it's going to be. As for me, I couldn't get through the free Amazon sample before facepalming.

>>10622431
I suppose Hull Zero Three counts.

>>10621663
I dropped a creative writing course once.

Just finished A Roadside Picnic, any suggestions for what I should read next?

>>10622431
Solaris, that sounds like exactly what you're looking for.

>>10621663
I took a creative writing course last summer. It was really basic, not sure I'd recommend it. I was really disappointed that it was all "literary fiction," which basically means everything's written like it's a biography. Definitely nothing that would show up in /sffg/.

>>10621663
Dropped my creative writing course when they deemed my Kafkaesque story too edgy.

>>10622697
Do they even metamorphosis?

>>10622700
Nope

>>10622693
>>10622697
What sort of things did you guys cover?

>>10622729
In my course (>>10622693) we covered different types of writing, going over not just the difference between literary fiction and genre fiction (the dirty, dirty /sffg/ stuff), but also other stuff like biographies. According to the syllabus we also covered poetry, but that was a complete joke. The most we got into poetry was one assignment were we had to use line breaks. No meter, no rhymes, no actual structure, just line breaks.

(Is this how you write
a poem? God this is
embarrassing. I have no idea
what I'm doing.)

Again, my biggest problem was that it was 100% literary fiction, which I just think is boring. Though in the professor's defense, she did go over the stereotypes of literary and genre fiction and told us that they didn't always apply (ie, that literary fiction could be troperific, and genre fiction could be character studies).

We had to read various short stories then write about what we thought of them. Most of them weren't really that notable. One I remember distinctly was The End of Aaron (you can look it up and read if for free), which I hated because I didn't give a fuck about any of the characters and I saw the ending coming a mile away.

>>10622761
Danke anon, I'm definitely going to read that story.

Eventually.

>>10622729
>>10622761
Oh yeah, and we had to give other students feedback for some of the stuff we wrote. It was all online, so I never saw anyone face to face. Nothing really stood out there either, and I'm sure the other students thought the same of my work. I remember there was one guy who was just... not good. Like, at all, and it was really hard to give him a review with a straight face (despite being over the internet). Oh yeah, and there was one assignment where we had to talk about traumatic moments in our lives. That was almost morbidly comical.

>>10622772
If you want I can see if I can dig through the site for more of the stuff we read.

>>10622683
Hard to Be a God and The Doomed City by the same authors, if you liked it.

>>10622729
>>10622779
Another thing I remembered (I have a very poor memory) was that we read On Writing by Stephen King. I've never read any of Stephen King's work nor do I plan to, but it was pretty interesting. I'd definitely recommend that.

>>10614409
desu Name of the Wind is horribly overrated. It's like a fucking harem anime but in fantasy novel form

>>10622023
You will learn more about good writing by taking notes on your animes than by taking creative writing circlejerks.

>>10622888
lol, no. Knowing what not to do isn't the same as knowing what to do.

You can mock DBZ and Naruto forever, but you won't know gow to write a good story.

>>10622897
>he isn't watching yorimoi

>>10622431
Nightingale - Alastair Reynolds

I've not really read any fantasy beyond LotR, but I've heard Bakker's work deals with some weirdly philosophical themes and ideas to ol' Petey Watts.

I feel like I should expand my horizons a bit, so for a newbie fantasy boi is Bakker recommended? Or are they some tropes/themes I should pickup from other, simpler texts first?

Also, as an aside, how 'realistic' is Bakker's work? I don't think I could stomach anything more overtly fantasy than Tolkein's material, no WoW-esc magical fireballs etc.

>>10623119
weirdly similar too philosophical themes, rather

I'm new to sf&f and thought I'd start by reading hugo nominees. Is this a good approach?
From the recent list I think I've only read Susanna Clarke and GRRM, I liked both well enough, tho I prefer Clarke.

>>10623119
You should be a bit more specific. Expand your horizons in what way? Do you want fantasy or science fiction? Anything as long as it's a bit philosophical? If you want philosophy I would recommend Palmer's Too Meme The Lightning over Bakker, considering you're a self-described "newbie fantasy boi".

>>10623283
>thought I'd start by reading hugo nominees. Is this a good approach?
It's not the best approach but it's not the end of the world either.

>>10623119
>so for a newbie fantasy boi is Bakker recommended?
On a scale of 1-10, how much do you enjoy gay rape in your fantasy?

>>10623283
http://hugonoms2018.wikia.com/wiki/Hugo_Nominees_2018_Wiki
I knew people sometimes go nuts with Wikias, but come on.

>>10623119
can someone dust off the GRI seal of approval, please

we need it again

>>10623283
It depends. From any era you'll get a mixture of solid stories from genre greats, underground hits from relatively unknown writers, and "what is this garbage?" from authors hip to the hugo scene. It can be a nice way to sample the trends from whatever year, but it isn't any guarantee of good reading.

>>10623460
>"what is this garbage?" from authors hip to the hugo scene.
Not that guy, but I'm curious about this part. What would you say are some of the worst Hugo nominees?

>>10623479
I don't really keep track of whether something I've read has been nominated and rarely read stuff when it's new. This is just the impression I've gotten from perusing the lists a few times and seeing how the awards process works. Maybe another anon will chime in here.

>>10623629
>>10623629
>>10623629
>>10623629
new thread

it's a little early but I wanted to get to 'shop in

>>10623457
What's GRI?

>>10623634
Too early you cunt

>>10614409
it's okay. Just stop at the first book

I hope that Children of Earth and Sky shill pays off. Or I will an hero you to my dark God.

>>10624108
Her wild ride is a shit meme

Palmer is shit

>>10623283
>Every Hugo nom
That's an awful lot of reading, and while it's generally above average...eh. It also covers a lot of time. The old winners are usually pretty solid, but a lot of the old noms are the equivalent of
>"what is this garbage?" from authors hip to the hugo scene.

except from about the 1970s or whatever. I'd stick with the winners if you're dead set on this, or use this chart (skip the pulp era if you don't want to read really old books).

>>10622897
>he doesn't know anime is the last bastion of literary art
I've read hundreds of thousands of genre fiction books, and my top ten stories are all anime and manga. As with books, you've just gotta build an intuitive sense of what's worth watching.

>>10623119
It's about wizards and vulcans fighting aliens and demons, and half the word count is graphic descriptions of gay rape and incest. How you react to that summary should give you a good idea of whether or not you'll like it.

>>10625725
I'm sorry, but you're probably a moran.