/lit/ - Literature

>>10552935
Welcome to the wild wild West

>>10552935

>He didn't start with the greeks

Don't know Plato? See you late-o.

>>10552935
>Plato and Aristotle
>Humanist philosophers

What, not even close to true

Why hate on plebs or idiots? We're trying our best.

>>10552969
It's just a way to keep Pakistani's out. There are too many as it is.

>>10552969
Shhh....

>>10552969
Humanists today have little idea of what their view is. They are just mainstream secularists for the most part.

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>>10552969
no they're not but the classical world is supremely important for the humanist tradition

>>10552969

Well Humanism (the Renaissance movement) was partly based on the new availability and study of Plato and a bunch of the other Classics

I imagine this was the work of one of you

SCENE I

ANON sits behind desk in IMMIGRATION OFFICE, reading FINNEGANS WAKE, obnoxiously moving mouth silently as he reads each word. A GUARD stands beside the door.

Enter HAMZA

HAMZA: My name is Hamza bin Walayat. I am seeking asylum from Pakistan. I beg of you, it must be granted. They will kill me.

ANON: Alrighty buddy, let's slow down. You are seeking asylum on what grounds?

HAMZA: Religious, I have renounced my Muslim faith.

ANON: Oh, I understand, give me a moment to pull this up. I know how bad it can be for Christians over there.

HAMZA: Well, actually I'm not a Christian. I am a humanist.

ANON: *tips fedora*

HAMZA: Did you just say asterisk tips fedora asterisk?

ANON: I'll be the one asking the questions here, Muhammad.

HAMZA: I'm sorry sir, I cannot tell you the danger my life is in back in Pakistan.

ANON: So who is your favorite humanist?

HAMZA: I'm sorry?

ANON: Who do you like to read, pleb?

HAMZA: Well, I mean Humanism more in the modern secular sense rather than the renaissance philosophy sense.

ANON: Mine is Plato.

HAMZA: What?

ANON: Did you not Start With the Greeks?

HAMZA: Plato is not a humanist philosopher.

ANON: Yes, he is.

HAMZA: Under what definition of Humanism would Plato be classified as one? The idea is completely preposterous. Aristotle perhaps, if you stretch the idea of humanism as far as humanly possible. In fact, do you even know what humanism is? Can you name a single humanist philosopher?

Ten seconds of silence.

HAMZA: Really? Not even Erasmus?

An additional ten seconds of silence.

ANON: Guards, take this man away. He is clearly a terrorist.

GUARD takes HAMZA by the shirt and drags him to the door and throws him out. JIHADISTS beat HAMZA to death immediately outside the door.

END SCENE

>>10553150
gilded

>>10553168
delet this

>>10553150
epic

>>10552935
Gotta hand it to you limeys, that's quality bantz.

>>10553150

>>10552935
#NotWelcome

>>10553150
the fact that you actually typed all of this out (likely with dick in hand, masturbating to how "riotously funny" this must be) makes you an absolute faggot

>>10553150
wonderful

>>10553609
>stop contributing OC, just rant about pakis, that's what I created this thread for

>When tested on his knowledge of humanism, Walayat gave a “basic definition” but could not identify “any famous Greek philosophers who were humanistic”.

>The letter said: “When you were informed by the interviewing officer that he was referring to Plato and Aristotle, you replied: ‘Yeah, the thing is because of my medication that is strong I just forget stuff sometimes’.”

>The Home Office concluded: “Your knowledge of humanism is rudimentary at best and not of a level that would be expected of a genuine follower of humanism.”

>>10553150
ebin

>>10553634
This sounds like complete bullshit. Right to asylum is about whether he is actually being persecuted at home, not about whether he knows his shit about the Greeks.

>>10553150
lmfao

>>10553660
Look brainlet: the logic follows that if he lacks rudimentary knowledge of the very subject for which he claims to have renounced his faith, then he probably actually didn't denounce his faith at all and whatever woes he encounters aren't Britain's fucking problem.

"Let me in your country I love Jesus and they'll kill me"
"Oh cool what's your favorite book of the Bible?"
"The what?"
PROBABLY NOT A CHRISTIAN MY GUY
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

>>10552935
I read the comments on that story.
Most of them couldn't understand why Plato and Aristotle are considered humanists. They thought it meant atheist

>>10552969
Yes, they are. The pre-socratics were concerned about the physical world; the sophists and Socrates -and by extension, Plato and Aristotle-, with man, morals, ethics and politics. This is literally called the humanist shift in history of philosophy

>>10553150
UNO UPPITY BATEAU 4 U HERR

But why didn't he just say he was an Atheist? Then he just has to pick Richard Dawkins out of a lineup.

because humanism is all about being able to ID statues =/ what idiots

>>10553660
That should be the criteria though. Keep the plebs out of Europe.

>>10553802
you must be retarded if you only associate plato and aristotle with ”statues”

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>>10552935
>muh patrician taste thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTM7E4-DN0o

>>10553150
I saw this right after it posted, but now that it has received a fair share of replies(you obviously samefagged) I have no choice but to post that it really wasn't good.

>>10554013
this is absolutely garbage. wagner is to plebs as purcell is to true patricians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhYP2QnwWbg

>>10553150
i was about to write some trivial nonsense and then i read this and was ashamed

>>10552969
There are more types of humanism other than the christian one, from ancient greeks to marxists and existentialists. The anthropological turn of the ancient greeks can be seen as the first humanism

>>10554346
>There are more types of humanism other than the christian one
but should they actually be considered?

>When tested on his knowledge of deconstruction, Walayat gave a “basic definition” but could not identify “any famous french philosophers who were deconstructionists, instead referring to Neon Genesis Evangelion and Breaking Bad as 'deconstructions'”.
>The letter said: “When you were informed by the interviewing officer that he was referring to Derrida, you replied: ‘Yeah, the thing is because of my medication that is strong I just forget stuff sometimes’.”

>Britain forgets its history of humanism and that the French are all humanists and Catholics
>pretends it would let them in if they knew Plato and Aristotle
>pretends Pakis don't just marry their cousins to fit in in Norfolk since Rushdie failed to stop the removal of birthright citizenship
They really have gotten worse since the Irish and Scottish stopped running their government and education.

>>10552969
It's definitely arguable.

>>10553150
faɡət

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>>10553660
Maybe he shouldn't have lied to the interviewer.

>>10553150
get Mitchell & Webb on it

>>10553150
weelll done anon

>>10554479
I laughed anon, good job.

>>10553617
Heeeyyy. Someone put /lit/ on the screen.

>>10552955
>"Plate-o"

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>>10553617
damn this pic rekt me
>you don't understand philosophy if you don't conform to the fashion we are accusing you of attributing to yourself.
Because, I read and discuss philosophy online, I am completely illegitimate. I should have spent 6 figures on an Ivy League ponzi scheme like the intellectual who made this image.

>>10554307
Faggot contrarians are the worst kind of plebs.

>>10556147

t. Guy who got rejected from Ivies and now thinks he's a philosopher because he read The Republic

>>10552983
True, but we should do this to religious Pakis, non-religious Pakis should be protected since they're on our side

>>10554501
Not for Pakis, apparently.

The UK is so fucked. The fact that the mayor of London thinks he can insult Trump/America while he leads a cesspool filled with former ISIS terrorists, child traffickers and rapers, anti-white Muslims, and people carrying assault knifles shows you how blind they are to their problems.

>>10556347
More like because he's read meditations or the enchideron. No one reads the republic and thinks "wow, that sure was enlightening", at best you just go "wow, the greeks were unironically a bunch of warlike sissies who openly talking about fucking lil boys in the bussy".

>>10556147
I made this just for you.

>>10552979
I make this exact handmotion when I see plebs like you on the street

>>10556571
I just realized that the book was not level with the table, and that the file size was almost 3 times larger than the original. So here's a improved version.

>>10556147
>when the image isn't about you but you get triggered my your own sense of inadequacy anyway

>>10557416
I just did a double take. I meant that image to be around 150KB. Just how much fucking meta data was in that file?!

>>10553609
>writers
>writing
>on /lit/

We're through the looking glass, people.

>>10557505
JESUS CHRIST. I just stripped it with a program meant to remove meta data. Just HOLY SHIT.

>>10557561
If I was meta data would you remove me ;_;

>>10557577
Of course not anon. i luv u :3

>>10553150
Upvoted.

>>10553150
Deserves the hype desu

>>10553150
Sometimes you see a post so good, it's not even worth continuing to read the rest of the thread

>>10552969

If it makes you feel any better, Hamza was humanely euthanized by his countrymen in the traditional manner, by being dropped off a building into a swimming pool filled with acid.

>>10553150
Jokes and memes and people hating any post that gets too many responses to it aside, I think this is actually pretty good.

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>>10553150
kek

...the fuck is Humanism?

>>10557883
Humanism is a philosophy and ethical stance that views humans as mere automatons motivated primarily by pleasure and base desires like food, sleep, sex, etc. The word 'humanism' comes from the Greek word for man 'hum', and the Latin phrase 'ahn-ism' or "like a machine".

>>10557830
fuck off m8, are you for real?

>>10556249
Patricians are inherently contrarian. Why would the 99th percentile bother listening to the music of the masses: the audience that Wagner pandered to. And if you were going to post Wagner, why would you choose something so generic and irrelevant to his thread?

>>10552950
Underrated

>>10557883
>>10557980
Wrong.
It's the philosophy establish by David Hum. That's a short 'u'- /hum-an-ism/. In short, all of life's shortcoming can be overcome be humming various works, such as 'Always Look On The Bright Side of Life', etc.

>>10554013

Embarrassing.

>>10552935
Wow, is the UK going back to its winning ways?

>>10558544
nice cat lol

>>10552935
>theGuardian.com

/lit/ is fucking pathetic nowadays, they discuss /pol/ topics meantime the janny deletes my thread where i quoted tennyson

>>10553609
Fuck off Hamza

>>10553150
Someone screenshot this, pure kino

>>10553150
Brekkekeked several time, very good

>>10553609
Hothead.

>>10557980
So its like...proto-hedonism or something that can lead to Hedonism?

>>10558973
btw since hedonism considers the human pleasure as the key value it therefore a form of humanism and they had to question the guy about epicurus

also i hope they only questioned the guy about the philosophers, not showed him their busts and asked him to name them, personally i am not sure i would tell plato from socrates by looks

>>10559005
Well shit, looks like I hate Humanism now

>>10552935
Why does he need to know the history of humanism to be a humanist? I'm also not sure whether pre-modern humanism would be considered rudimentary, as it implies one knows exactly what the turn in knowledge was after the pre-Socratics. This seems more a history of Greek philosophy than of humanism (which would primarily focus on the renaissance instead).

The Home Office most likely doesn't quiz religious asylum seekers on the history of their religions, which is ironic because some faiths' tenets directly relate to their history.

Also, if historical primacy is so important, virtually every belief system would need to include questions about the ancients, and not even necessarily the Greeks.

>>10559028
who cares, less pakis

>>10559044
Yeah but that's not a problem for me either way since I don't live in a poor area of the country.

If anything it would be a good thing since I only see people from that country when I pop into a 24 hour shop or petrol station. And the more people willing to slave away in those jobs, the higher the standard of customer service there will be (via competition) for customers like me who pop in for only 5 mins of exposure.

Brits who feel resentment towards those people are probably just the deplorables who are economically threatened by them. kek

>>10559079
Look id rather not have this turn into a /pol/ thread but that “third worlders doing slave tier jobs” is the same thing Democrats here in America say when justifying mass mexican immigration, gunna leave it at that

>>10559099
>Look id rather not have this turn into a /pol/ thread
I agree, let's not.

However when I pointed out the inconsistency of the HO questioning, someone said that doesn't matter because at least it reduces immigration from Pakistan.

So in return I pointed out that immigration from Pakistan isn't necessarily bad. On top of that, whether it is good or bad, it is fucking irrelevant when you consider how few immigrants there are outside of London. It's hard to find the stats for England itself on that, but the rest of the UK's White British population ranges from 80-99%. Think about that, that 20% includes more than just immigrants, people settled for generations, people from Europe, etc. And then if you think further, that 20% will be heavily represented in disadvantaged areas.

You have to be a deplorable yourself for "immigration" to negatively affect you. No surprise that it is mostly people without a degree, or of a sad old age, that complain about it.

>>10559028
>This seems more a history of Greek philosophy than of humanism (which would primarily focus on the renaissance instead).

come on, if they asked him about erasmus it would be like in that >>10553150
post only with switched sides and more awkward. i mean most of people at least heard about plato but if they demanded him to know the praise of folly or something... ok, i think most of people heard about moore's utopia, if they link it to the question about renaisaince humanism they would have something to say :^)

anyway i have noted to myself if i ever ask asylum in england i better read apology of socrates first, i think it was what they meant by his humanism in the sense as of opposing to the dogmas

not sure what i should read from aristotle, probably on ideas which would be pretty ironic, lol

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>>10559025
You guys are aware that >>10557980
was a shitpost...r-right?

>>10559242
the etymology was a joke but that nigga spot on the idea behind oomanism

Dieu de tout et de n'importe quoi le bordel des manouches à côté des putes à bite et des jolis vierges qui sont là pour leurs premières.

>pas de Chrétien de Troyes
>les histoires de cul de Bataille entre Giono et Les misérables
>Marcel Pagnol, Pierre Benoit, Le Petit Prince mais pas Léon Bloy, pas Bernanos, pas Alfred Jarry
>Nadja pour Breton sans préciser que ce n'est qu'un point d'entrée
>ne dire choisir que des romans, préciser que Bougainville est une exception, mais pas Lévi-Strauss ou de Gaulle ou Rousseau, ...
>etc.

Ce peut être difficile de maintenir une idée fixe dans un référenciel de planche, mais merde enfin abominable, les sélections bas taux de connard qui se sous viande son bac de français pour bien la moitié c'est l'anesthésie.
Peut-être plutôt que roman, récit en prose ? on évince toujours traité, essai, poésie, théâtre. Feignasses.
Pour le reste et encore dans l'esprit pavé aux milles madames, La grande Beuveurie de Daumal

C'était pour le fil du connard qui savait pas mettre .fr au bout des url pour acheter des bouquins français.

>>10553150
HAHAHAHAHAHHA

The UK has no responsibility to let in anyone even if your fellow poos will kill you

>>10553150
wp wp

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>>10560420
If in this post you read (You) more than twice you are going to suffer greatly within 3 months.
You'll know when that happens.

>>10553150
>obnoxiously moving mouth silently as he reads each word.
p e r f e c t i o n

>>10560462
All me.

>>10553150
Not funny

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>>10557883
a humanist is an atheist who does not wish to be associated with other atheists despite being equally as fedora.

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>>10560402
Is this a google translation or are you a french learner ?

>>10557997

No, but the fact that it sounded plausible should really make you think

>>10560675
>living 7 hours ahead of Eastern time
>Yuropoors

They certainly didn't consider themselves to be humanists, but rationalists. Death of the author goes too far in this case. These men were the scholarly authorities of their time, and certainly merit greater respect than our contemporaries. By what good sense is the word of the lesser taken over that of the greater?

>>10560462
all me bb

>>10552969
Homo mensura

>>10560767
Was it worth the effort?

>>10560800
I mean it took like a minute or two so I guess it was, thanks for the (You)

>>10560767
fucking samefig REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>10556486
Let me guess you're a 56%er?

>>10552969
Maybe you should be deported

>>10560813
I'll give you another (You) :)

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>>10562868
I just realized that the Boston meetup may still be going on, so that joke may have been in poor taste. Sorry.

>>10553150
>HAMZA: Did you just say asterisk tips fedora asterisk?
Lost right here.

>>10558213
>Patricians are inherently contrarian
Being contrarian for the sake of it is the way plebs try to present themselves as people with good taste. Also I wasn't the one who posted Wagner.

>>10553150
based redditor

>>10553150
>FINNEGANS WAKE, obnoxiously moving mouth silently
top kek

>>10560735
I sure do love my free university, cheap goods and affordable housing, thank you.

>>10562868
kek

>>10560696
c'est pas d'usage le français cassé sur les planches de tissage thaïlandais ?

>>10563997
sissy

>>10556053
>play-dough

>>10560779
Homo mensura was a sophist concept, READ MOAR
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>>10552935
Wait, is this fucking real?
Have we reached peak fascism now? It's like the western equivalent of these IS niggers who shoot you if you don't know the name of Muhammad's grandma.

>>10564471
>if you're white, not letting someone in to your country and giving them asylum status and a bunch of free shit is exactly the same as murdering someone if you're another race.

>>10560707
why

>>10562898
Any NYC meetups?

>>10565528
i will, are you qt?

>>10564492
it's a brave new world goyim you better get used to it, you're not a fucking Nazi are you? Good, make sure to have your wife father lots of brown babies.

>>10565544
Yes, if you like unshaven misanthropes.

>>10557830
More likely he moved to a Pakistani metropolis that is already widely degenerate and nobody gives a shit he's a humanist. Though he wouldn't be able to live in the UK and take out the iPhone X on EE™ on contract for as little as £72.99 per month ( with £150 upfront cost)

>>10556386
I agree we need more based muslims in our country!

>>10562868
wew lad

>>10565633
Reading comprehension=0

>>10554479
lmao good for you anon

>>10556386
No one is truly on white peoples side, except other whites. Even then half of white actively go against their own interests.

>>10553150
EPIC post my fellow redditor :)

upvoted

>>10553150
best post I've seen in this sub, good sir, sending some reddit gold your way

>>10564285
imp hera thrice

>>10557883
http://andalusonline.org/2016/07/27/the-meaning-of-humanism/
Read mein freund

>>10553150
include me in teh screen cap boys

>>10553150
Include me in the Screenshot.

>>10553150
KINO

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>>10554057
unironically this

>>10552935
If he wanted to get away from pakis and muslims he should have tried somewhere else

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>>10559127
>You have to be a deplorable yourself for "immigration" to negatively affect you.
Not British, but I still pay taxes for rapefugees to get new apartments. Unskilled labour from africa and the middle east is an economic burden that affects all of society, some parts more than others.

>>10558973
>hedonism
I'm considering throwing this word into the good old filter

>>10553150
really fucking gay. you obviously samefagged because half these replies are pointing out what a fag post this is.

>>10559127
>I want foreigners to enter my country and fuck over the most vulnerable because people who get fucked over are always smelly poorfags