/lit/ - Literature

>>10522354
Because a video game is just a movie that you influence or control, you dumb stupid idiot, you could have come to that conclusion on your own.

>>10522362

A movie isn't 95% of action scenes.

>>10522367
But it can be. Apply yourself Anon, this thread is garbage.

>>10522370

VGs fair well in contrast to other mediums? Please, do tell.

>>10522372
Video Games already outsell and are currently more popular than Literature so in terms of audience it does more than fair well. I like video games and books but even I'm not delusional enough to compare them or hoist one objectively above the other.

>>10522354
videogames can be works of art

just like a beautiful dress or a column in the Pantheon can

stop being so avantgarde-centric

>>10522380

And now you're appealing to popularity.

>>10522354
It's a medium, and it does have the features to be considered an art form. What sets it apart from literature, music, etc., is that the game experience irreparably ruins the art reception. When you play, you're not thinking about art, because you're disconnected from it. You're just playing.

>>10522380
So I guess statue making is a shit art since nobody gives a crap about it anymore. Video games are art because they make a lot of money.

>>10522354
There's nothing stopping a video game being art, but the vast majority of video games don't try to be art, they're focused on gameplay. Just like there's nothing stopping a board game from being a piece of art, but most of them aren't since that's not even what they're aiming for.

>>10522390
does not thinking about "art" ruin the experience? lol

Can't play, a mode of being, be artful? Cognitive art is more disconnected in my opinion

>>10522372
>>10522380
*fare
Have either of you read a book before or do you just get a kick out of mocking manchildren on the literature section of an anime imageboard?

>>10522390
>>10522405
Smart anons have spoken. Thread can be closed.

>>10522390
>>10522405

Enveloping elements of art doesn't make something art.

>>10522411

See
>>10522413

>>10522413
You don't sound very smart with all that urgency to define things. IS / IS NOT is not a good way to think about things.

>>10522413
Any medium can be home to art. Television is an art medium, despite many television shows not being art.

>>10522420

I saw a well-choreographed sex-scene in a porn once. Was that art?

>I don't want to include these NERDS in my art definition!!!! It would soil my patricianhood!! Movies are fine, but not games! nuh uh

>>10522413
Nobody with a half a brain in today's world is concerned with what art is or isn't. You should simply focus on what is worthy. Are games aesthetic experiences that don't provide any deep and valuable reflection? Well good, then they are poor artworks.

>>10522426
BLACKED is art.

>>10522426

>>10522437

By that logic a receipt from the gas station is poor art.

>>10522442
>is art
>is not art

Literature > visual art > music > video games > television and film

Hold up.

>>10522442
>>10522426
Your IQ must be below 70

>>10522446

Arrogance is essence of a noble mind. I'm purging impurities by calling "bad art" non-art.

Saying that counter strike is art, but just a low form of it is an insult

>>10522448
You're not providing any argument at all, retard. Every anon in this thread has tried to give their opinion on videogames, except you. You're only able to babble things like "muh art not art is and isn't"

>>10522448
You might as well say that humans with IQs below 85 or 100 or 115 aren't really people. Or that criminals and degenerates aren't people.
Which I'd be hard pressed to argue with in some of those cases, but I doubt you'll take that stance.

>>10522448
>Arrogance is essence of a noble mind.

>>10522448
cringe

>>10522354
autism

>>10522459

*the essence.

>>10522448
>it is an insult
to whom, the art God?

>>10522454
>>10522457

The issue here is that playing games is like kissing a mirror: You like what you see, but there's not much depth, and kind of cold. It's a shaggy ghost story, an exercise in style, an activity made with a certain lazy contempt for whom its meant for. I've played a few, hoping to glean something of value. There is nothing to be gained. To think that it's somehow improving your(and thus the human) condition is to miss the point. What you see is all you get.

>>10522475
>I played a few shit video games
>That means all video games are shit

>>10522354

Most games have music, art (graphics), and story.

Any one of these things alone is commonly accepted as art.

But when you add interactivity (thus making a game), suddenly people like you come out of the woodwork and say it's not art.

I think what's happening is that you're trying to pull some wanna-be chad shit, because by discounting the art, you are also discounting the people, therefore placing your (arbitrarily) above them on the social totem pole.

Games have all the elements of art but when you add interactivity suddenly for some reason it stops becoming art. With the addition of graphics to graphics, sound and, story, why shouldn't it be art even more so than the sum of its parts?

>>10522443
As far as I understand what is art and what isn't, the only difference between art and non art is that art was put there to be viewed as art. The protagonist wants it to be seen as art and it therefore is art. If the protagonist never wanted it to be art, he wouldn't have put it in a frame, put it to show in a museum or a public place, he wouldn't categorize it as an artform. Otherwise the definition of art can be used for everything that was ever put to existence or happend in the entire universe. Ofcourse this is a modern take on the definition, because back in the time where you could dedicate your whole life to art (no gov schools/ mostly private schools[e.g.humanitarian]) you created the most marvelous things and only these were called art back then.

>>10522354
Because it's basically all art forms put into one thing. It provides the greatest potential and variability.

>>10522367
Neither are most games. "action" is just usually a simple part of the game to engage the player and move the game along anyway. There is little difference between killing enemies within the combat system, and solving some puzzles. They both function the same.

>>10522354
>art in 2018
get a load of this pseud

>>10522444
literature, visual art, music, television and film are all subsets of video games. just like mathematics is a subset of computer science.

>>10522526
>>10522511

Is this kino?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWr9ABQcS5s

>>10522540
>5 years ago he was just a normal guy
how, I honestly cant wrap my head around why you would just throw everything to the wind for ''pleasure''

>>10522405
So if gameplay distracts from a would-be videogames "art", what would add to it? Great music and a story? Graphics?

No! The gameplay itself is the art. Now if you said major game studios focus on bland, repetitive, and shitty gameplay I would agree wholeheartedly.

As an example: Breath of the Wild is artful. Horizon Zero Dawn is not. I can and will defend this conceit.

Similarly, Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Nintendo Gamecube is arguably the greatest piece of art to come from the last twenty years.

>>10522354
because art is a meaningless word

>>10522637
Oy vey.

>>10522540
That is pretty sad. They are trying to experience bad programming practices / hardware limitations.

>>10522354
Video games cannot be art by definition since they're GAMES. Football is not art. Soccer is not art. Chess is not art.
>but look at this beautiful soundtrack and model and writing and
I can also point you to a beautifully crafted, ornate chessboard. Chess still isn't art.

>>10522433
>I'm a pathethic manchild loser who still obsesses over videogames despite being in my late twenties and I'm not even a man enough to say "Yeah I have some childish hobbies, so what? Fuck off." so I need to waste my time trying to convince strangers on the internet that video games are art because maybe then people will stop thinking I'm a pathethic manchild loser for still playing video games

>>10522702
Go back to /soc/.

>>10522702
>pathetic manchild
>childish hobbies
>manchild loser
who hurt you anon?

>>10522354
it's obviously (visual) art though

>>10522718
Are you /v/ or /r9k/? Oh well, not like there's a difference. Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.
>>10522722
Nothing I said was incorrect. There is not a single "games are art" person in the world whose parents are not ashamed of him.

Why should they be art? As far as I can see, vidya is doing better than art ever did, giving people the ability to explore new perspectives, making a difference on people's stories while also making absurds amount of bank.

>Why do autists argue for this medium as an art-form?
As Father Peterson explained in one of his videos about skateboarding, playing video games stimulates particular neurotransmitters. As you set micro goals and successfully accomplish them, you are rewarded with the same chemicals involved with the creation or appreciation of an aesthetic work.

>>10522354

Because it gives us something to do using all the otherwise pointless philosophical and artistic theory we've all been taught.

>>10522448
Run cs_tire in 1.x without players and tell me it doesn't make you feel for thousands of abandoned user generated virtual locations created for CS and other games.
— Evidence of someone's work to build the map around some story in readme.
— Exhausting long routes with little action.
— Generic textures and boring low resolution static lighting inside buildings.
— The title, Retirement Home.
— Map itself has an artifact from the years past, the inaccessible balcony behind the door that won't open.
— Unlike random users' creations, these halls were once crowded, as it was included in beta releases.

Is chess art?

Unironically read icycalm. That nigga knows what's up when it comes to vidya.

>>10522354
Bet you can't even tell me what can change the nature of a man

What does this have to do with books?

They're okay

>>10522823
Gratification is not tantamount to appreciation. Also
>Jordan Peterson
kys

Video games are fun but I wouldn't want to base my life around them

I get kind of an uneasy feeling playing them now, knowing that they are simulacrums of actual lived experiences

>>10522994
t. icycalm

>>10522354
>he doesn't understand that vidya is a medium like any other
I know this is a bait thread or maybe you're just a simpleton OP but individual works vary WIDELY in any medium. Just because Serious Sam is the equivalent of Hong Kong Phooey doesn't mean there isn't or cannot be a vidya equivalent of Nabokov or Borges. Step up your IQ game brainlet.

>>10522354
There is literally no argument you can come up with to refute this. Why is a video game not an art-form?

>>10522354
I take it you haven't actually PLAYED serious sam

>>10522524
>Neither are most games.

Yes they are you fucking idiot

>>10522354
Because pic related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5AunfmI8bs

>>10522682
>Video games cannot be art by definition since they're GAMES. Football is not art. Soccer is not art. Chess is not art.
woah I mean I'd say smart play of sports/games could be considered art. Like those crazy chess setups that fuck people unexpectedly

>>10522457
>You might as well say that humans with IQs below 85 or 100 or 115 aren't really people
Not the guy you were responding to but I consider mentally handicapped people non-human. Killing them would fix a lot of things and help keep the population down which would be good.
I promise I'm not a utilitarian.

>>10522479
Give an example of a game with better writing than the bible please.
You cannot because that is not the point of videogames, making it the point of videogames only makes them pretentious and shitty.
videogames are supposesd to be about having fun, seems a lot of people have forgotten that I am not saying having a story makes them bad but if that is the entirety of the game then why not read a book or watch a film?