/lit/ - Literature

Learning Hieroglyphics right now before I become a student of Egyptology pls dont bully me STEM anons
The books by Bill Manley are very good for basic and intermediate learning, and it's been remarkably more easy than i've anticipated.
>questions
No questions, but I hope to progress to more eastern cultures, I have many theories in regards to ancient and classical history, and if I do become an Archaeologist, I'd like to learn Sanskrit to gain the key to the east.

Learning German because I love the culture, literature, and architecture

>>10478584
Latin because Cicero

Learning German because I'm a philosophyfag

>>10478604
Hieroglyphs, anon!

Hiero- (sacred) glyphs (symbols)

Hieroglyphic is the adjective! "A hieroglyphic script is made of up hieroglyphs." Technically it shouldn't matter because you can use a plural adjective to stand in for the nouns it is describing but people will still be snooty about it

>I have many theories
Try to maintain the paradoxical tension between realizing all of your ideas and theories are shit, and that you will look stupid and naive to any expert you try to tell them to, but ALSO that you should never let go to your pet theories and ideas because they are the seeds from which your real lifelong projects will grow.

You're a rare breed so don't give up! If you just pursue learning the languages, you will be leagues ahead of your competition by the time you get to grad school. Just maintain that passion anon.

Don't forget to learn Greek and French too since they built the fields of archaeology and egyptology, and learn the history of the discipline and the history of the Near East as well. Also, read Jan Assman - a friend once recommended him to me and he's great.

>>10478610
>because I love the culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXYddJ_tonk

>>10478584
Spanish right now, then maybe afrikaans just because it's apparently easy (I'm Swedish). If I still feel like learning new languages by then I'll study French, German or Arabic

Latin. I studied it in high school, but never got that far. Hoping to read texts from the middle ages and renaissance and move on to the other romance languages.

>Ancient Greek
>because its a beautiful tongue
>1 week
>need actual texts to help

Learning german in my spare time right now, it is going swell. I am learning it because of the literature, and also because I just want to learn another language. I find the different cases and such quite enjoyable.

>>10478693
>tfw you will never have a german qt yell or talk dirty in german

>>10478604
That's cool, man, best of luck. Egyptian is pretty aesthetic sounding imo.

>>10478671
What's Cicero at his best?

>>10478746
>I find the different cases and such quite enjoyable.
Same, German grammar was always such a chore, but after the Stockholm syndrome kicked in I actually started to find it enjoyable. Best of luck anon

>>10478584
At what point can you call yourself a polyglot

>>10478899
after 3

Rushan
been using some apps since the sumer. I've become an understander way quicker than I imagined.

>>10478899
Checking a dictionary, a polyglot is someone who speaks "several" languages. "Several" constitutes "more than two". So you would need to know three languages at least.

>>10478899
I think it may depend on where you live. Most people here are raised bilingual and learn English from a very young age so I would scoff at someone calling himself a polyglot because he speaks the two native languages and English

what are some good sites/apps to use?

>>10479174
The app called 'Books'.

>>10479174
Duolingo or Lingvist are free. They'll get you to know basics, but aren't terribly good at getting you to know why the language functions the way it does.

I recommend those apps, reading, discord and foreign films

Currently taking a Latin course at university. Took 4 years of French in high school, and studied Spanish, German, Italian, Dutch, Swedish, and Portuguese on my own. I'm also working on Japanese right now.

Really, if you know one European language, you have a connection to them all. Hence why I'm learning Latin. I want to get a grasp on them all.

>>10479293
I second Duolingo. Use it to brush up on French and keep my Japanese in check.

I have heard spanish being referred to as a majestic language

do you agree? Why do you think some people feel so

>>10479336
People like to say grand things about whatever languages they know.

>>10478610
Islam is a complicated culture though.

>>10479174
Duolingo and Memrise are good places to start.

Lingvist and Clozemaster are decent to use.

JW language is a pretty unique language learning app made by Jehova's Witnesses. It's eared toward proselytization of course, but there are some really unique tools in that app worth checking out.

LingQ is a good website but you gotta pay to really get to use it.

>>10478584
>>10478584
Jeg har studeret dansk for to uger nu. Jeg begyndte at lær dansk, fordi min forste-mor givet mig Kierkegaards Bladartikler fra 1857 i dansk, og jeg vil gerne at læs det. Jeg studerer på Duolingo og kigger på dansk TV for omtrent tre til fire timer per dag. Jeg tror jeg lærer hurligt, men jeg onsker jeg havde personer at snakke med.

I have studied Danish for two weeks now. I began to learn Danish because my birthmother gave me Kierkegaard's Bladartikler from 1857 in Danish, and I would like to read it. I study on Duolingo and watch Danish TV for three to four hours per day. I believe that I am learning fast, but I wish I had people to speak with.

Been learning Russian for about 6 months, so I'm not at the level yet to read anything complicated. I'm interested in Russian literature but I wonder if I should read a translation now and then the original Russian later, or if I should just put off those works until my skills have developed enough to understand the original. Might take a few years though.

I'm struggling with sanskrit now. Its hard, but i also don't put enough effort in. I just want to know many languages to be a teacher or something, but i get depressed when i think my peers only want to learn english, and maybe french. Maybe i'll pick french later. Other language i want to learn of my own volition is german; and arabic because i hate the jews

>French
>required to take four French courses at University, and you need seven to minor in the language, so why not
>also I wanna read Baudelaire in the original language

>Norwegian
>superior to Sweden, less potato than Danish

I'm actually enjoying both languages a lot more than I expected. French media never really interested me when I was younger, but now I consume probably an equal amount French and English media.

>>10479602
Sanskrit is the hardest language I've ever studied, by far. Don't be disheartened; you're not alone.

>>10478584
Ukrainian, because I truely enjoy it. I'm already fluent or close in 4 languages, So it's mainly for fun.
>>10478604
>Egyptology
Kobenhavn?
>>10479469
Jeg kan sagtens forstå hvad du skriver, omend der er mange fejl. Men godt klaret, fortsæt endelig! Snart kan du kommunikere (på skrift i hvert fald) med alle os nordiske overmennesker!

>>10479723
Tak for kommentarerne. Jeg håber på forbedre med ovelse.

>>10478584
Hebrew, unironically
It's honestly the hardest fucking language I've ever tried to learn and I don't know why. It's not like it's particularly difficult or whatever, I just can't remember shit. I found it fucking easier to learn Hawaiian than this shit

>>10479925
Ovelse gor mester, kammerat! Det er et ordsprog du sikkert også kender fra engelsk.

>>10478692
Thanks Anon, solid advice

>>10478584
>What language we are currently learning
Scottish Gaelic

>why
muh ancestors

>experience
its extremely difficult because i smoked a lot growing up and cant retain information well

>questions and all that gay shit
no

>>10478584
>English and German
>why
because I never learned them in the first place and they are the only languages I know

>>10479602
>and arabic because i hate the jews
yes, yes, good kuffar

Latin.

Does anyone know if there is a collection of movies and/or songs in Latin? I'm not at the point where reading classical texts and working from there is possible.

>>10479925
Husk at om du kan lese dansk, kan du ganske enkelt også lese norsk, så lenge du unngår nynorsk. Ibsen og Hamsun er ikke meget forskjellig fra dansk.

>>10481330
shmaga shmoogen shmeegen
jeg er et pinnsvin
horebukk

moonspeak, because not being able to read moonrunes greatly hinders my ability to enjoy muh untranslated mango

How do I start learning Farsi, anons?
I'm not learning it for the literature but that will hopefully be a great boon later on since I've heard their writings are decent.

>>10481658
Are you asking for a book? Otherwise, I've heard Persian is fairly straight forward for Euro speakers and it could be learned using the latin alphabet, although most will teach with the arabic script.

>>10481159
Latin films would be interesting. I'd like to know if there's any in ancient Greek. Closest I can think of is Gibson's Passion, which is done in Aramaic and some Latin iirc.

>>10481159
>films in latin
Hang on Anon I think Charlie Chaplainopolous made one in 1450

>>10481764
I'm asking for a general guide. Most learning platforms mentioned ITT don't support Farsi, and I'm hesitant to shell out 100$+ for Rosetta Stone, which I've heard isn't even that great. Plus, I don't know whether to learn the alphabet or not. Is it difficult? Is it helpful?

>>10479469
wtf never knew danish was this similar to english

>>10481881
>Plus, I don't know whether to learn the alphabet or not.
Of course you should - don't start your language journey with being retarded. It will be worth it, lad.

>>10479933
sorry anon you need to be adirect descendant of king David to get a grasp of this glorious tongue

>>10481900
the saddest part is that I am a jew among fag-jews

>>10481979
achi do me a favour and read A.D. Gordon, zionism is the way to the ubermensch

>>10481900
Is that really so? Do I need to be ethnically jewish to get a grasp and immerse myself in jewish culture? I knew it was closed nation, but come on now.

>>10482155
i meant that in jest anon :)) by all means you are very welcome!

>>10482155
>ywn be god's chosen people
why even life

>>10482245
Thank you anon. Once I get fluent enough in german I'll start learning hebrew!
Since you seem to be well read, could you recommend me some good works on jewish culture? Obviously you use the old testament, but is that all there is to Judaism? If so, what translation do english-speaking jews read?

>>10482268
pic related

>>10478899
5+
2 languages is the minimum for educated people outside of the anglosphere, some countries also have 2 languages everyone knows on top of English and adding another language on top of that hardly makes you a polyglot so you need at least 5

why learn anything other than English? it is THE standard global language

>>10482326
if you don't already speak English it should definitely be at the top of your list but if you do speak English already then learning another language can only benefit you

I am high level French and I'm learning Russian at university from a beginner's level.

>>10479498
get a side-by-side book.
I have this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Russian-Stories-Dual-Language-Dover-Language/dp/0486262448.. I like it because it has stories by well-known writers, so it's not just some sketchy бaбyшкa writing stories in her kitchen

>>10478584
learning spanish
tried to learn french
decided spanish was easier.

I want to learn gaelic
>tfw so horribly overcome with self-hate and anxiety I honestly believe I'm not allowed to learn a language because I wasn't born there and I'm not part of the culture
I swear to fucking christ, I could go to church every day for 100 fucking years and I'd still say something like "yeah, I'm not like, a real christian, or anything, so I don't want to bother anyone by showing up at [random extracurricular fun-time activity]"

>>10481330
Hvad er din anmeldelse på Knausgård og Min Kamp? Jeg vil måske være interessant i prover at læse det, hvis det er ikke meget hardt.

>>10481895
Danish is classified as one of the easiest languages to learn from english by the American foreign service. Fluency can be reached in as little as 500 hours of practice. This book is interesting as it includes passages that should be intelligible to English speakers without any training at all.
https://books.google.com/books/about/Danish.html?id=HpVjlaMCLrQC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>10480688
That's really fucking cool. I'm Irish and am very well versed in Gaeilge, alot of cross over between out two languages and you can kinda get the gist of what's going on if you strain your ear.

>>10482395
daily reminder

>>10482345
You sound like a pathetic little man

Someone give a quick rundown on korean. What are the major sticking points for learning it?
I'm a native speaker of english and have learned irish and french to a good level so it's all looking quite alien atm.

>>10482422
if you're going to learn a gook language learn Chinese or Japanese or even Vietnamese, all have a much more interesting much less soul-less culture than Korea

>>10482413
RUDE! but fair.

>>10482422
Amazing alphabet. VERY polite culture, which you need to be aware of. Sounds good, and when you tell people that you are learning Korean, it will give less of a weeb vibe than Japanese. All in all; easy to start, hard to master. Enjoyable.

>>10482431
b-but i want to learn korean
>>10482455
Have you learned any?

>>10482271
Jewishness is solitude, suffering, transgression, intelligence and prophecy. Get to know these, then read the OT, Kafka, Proust, Schulz, Pasternak, Bialik and Mandelshtam; listen to some Mendelssohn, Mahler, Schoenberg, Ligeti, Gilels, Heifetz and Horowitz; take a look at Modigliani, Chagall, Schoenberg, Pasternak and Pissaro; ponder on some Talmud tractates, Maimonides, Spinoza, Benjamin, Buber, some Wittgenstein, some Marx, some Freud, some Husserl and a tiny bit of Shestov, get to know the history. There's a lot to do but the problem is we're a STEMfag nation, so most of our culture is both unaccessible to most and diluted in the formatting that is necessary in those fields. I've voluntarily excluded some famous names so as to keep the list reasonably short.

>>10482542
thank you anon, your kindness is appreciated. God bless.

>>10482548
my pleasure my frogposting friend

>>10482326
only 16% of the world population speaks English, more or less the same proportion as Mandarin Chinese

>>10482603
problem is outside of China and Southeast Asia nobody speaks Chinese
but anywhere in the world you go educated people will speak English

China will never become the lingua franca because of their writing system while English is becoming more entrenched by the year

>>10482463
Why you want to learn Korean anon?
I'm learning it as I live here and it's functionally important for me to not be an illiterate but I simply can't find anything to latch onto to enjoy the language or spark my interest.
From what I can tell there's little to no literary culture (web toons?), the TV shows are the worst, kpop hurts my soul and the majority of people speak at a default level of SHOUT. On top of that I don't even like how it sounds - particularly the clearing phlegm from throat sound that's used to denote anything ranging from mild surprise to anger.

I previously lived in Japan and studied diligently to the point I could enjoy manga and then used this as a stepping stone to progress to novels. Anyhow I'm finding it really hard to find any motivation in Korea.

>>10483224
>China will never become the lingua franca because of their writing system
True but I believe within 50 years the majority of non-chinese will know the meaning (if not pronunciation) of at least 250 kanji. I think these will slowly filter into daily use but we'll continue to pronounce the characters as English or whatever our native language is.

>>10483340
> within 50 years the majority of non-chinese will know the meaning of at least 250 kanji
Nope.

>>10483340
>kanji
they're called hanzi m8
also you are completely bananas here, this is not happening

I'm learning Hebrew and slowly becoming a rabid philosemite.
>>10482542
Are you actually Israeli? Are you STEM? If not, how are lit and history courses in Israel? I'm under the impression that it is mostly neglected and that it is basically R&D, the Country.

>>10483271
Have family living there who I will be staying with and working for a couple years. I have no idea what I want to do in life so I'm jut gonna chill with my cousin for a few years, save and then get a degree and go from there.

>>10483271
There are plenty of worthwhile and artistic Korean films

>>10483586
Gimme names

>>10483528
In that case what you waiting for? Start studying now. Korea's a pretty comfy place to live despite my ongoing struggles with the language.

>>10483528
You’re a loser and they won’t accept you desu

>>10483271
No one gives a shit, you dumb ESL teacher

>>10483506

no i'm a french jew, and yes i'm in STEM. You shouldn't take my word for it but I would be tempted to say that at least history is ok since they have lots of recent famous historians and archeologists and stuff. lit I don't know, but they have decent living writers which is not that common

>>10483506
explain your philosemitism please

I’m thinking or doing philosophy/classics majors at uni, but then I need to pick between Greer and Latin. Which language is the patrician’s choice?

can someone give me a cool bit of prose in german so i can have some practice translating

>>10483803
i-i just want to have fun with my cousin while saving for a few years anon whats the problem?

===ACHTUNG!===

ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS! DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKEN. IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS. ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN.

>>10478819
not that anon but de Senectute and de natura deorum are great. De Officis is the best though. I've only also read De Amicitae and De Oratore though...

>>10483939
Both

I learned English (French is my first language), German, Spanish and Latin over the years. Currently, I am trying to add Japanese to the list. It being the first non-indo-european language, I am struggling quite a bit, desu.

I'm currently learning english. I'm pissed with the great amount of irregular verbs and their lack of systematic to conjugate.

>>10484052
est-ce que tu les parles suffisamment bien pour lire par exemple du Goethe, du Lucrèce ou Don Quichotte ? C'est un de mes objectifs très chers d'apprendre le latin, les langues romanes, l'allemand et le russe (je parle déjà anglais et hébreu bien). Tu pourrais m'indiquer comment tu t'y es pris, et en combien de temps ?

>>10478610
>>10478671
>>10478683
>>10478706
>>10478716
>>10478746
>>10478832
Can I ask what texts/textbooks you guys have used and would recommend? I’m interested in learning German, Greek and Latin, but I’m unsure where to start.

I’d be autodidactic, and I honestly learn better from books than any online program I’ve tried before.

English, German, Vietnamese, Russian, and Japanese next year

>>10484104
German for Reading has done me good

Which Scandinavian language should I learn? I would love to visit Norway, but I am of Danish heritage, but I heard Swedish is the easiest.

>>10484635
They're all useless. Lear the one you like the most, faggot.

Could you recommend me some modern french books?

>>10479605
Could you give some examples of good french media to consume? Looking forward to that.

>>10484091
>tfw 2 months in learning french and I completely understanded this

>>10484833
bien joué anon :)

>>10484764
Houellebecq, Modiano, Le Clézio, Eric-Emmanuel Schmitt for living authors. I recommend Perec and Gary if you consider the 70s modern

>>10484812

theres none, everything is shit, sorry

Learning Russian because that's where my family came from and because I've always enjoyed Russian literature and video games.

>>10484849
Thanks, anon.
Take a look at these beautiful tits before I get fucking banned

>>10478584
Classic Greek, biblical Hebrew, classic Latin and French. Cold not study classic Arab this year after unfortunately.
Although this year I will master in philosophy and will have to quit all but French. I hope it's worth.

trying to learn german to understand wagner, i have duolingo installed but im too lazy

>>10484622
German for Reading is amazing. Highly recommended.

>>10484091
Goethe et Lucrèce, oui. Don Quichotte, pas encore - pour l'instant, j'arrive à lire des classiques du 20ème comme Garcia Lorca, Rulfo, Cortázar etc.

Après, pour ma façon de faire, je commence par rapidement faire toute la grammaire avec des manuels (selon la langue, ça prend entre 6 mois et une année). Ensuite, je bruteforce des livres. Au départ, je lis très lentement, je cherche deux mots par phrase, j'ai besoin d'une traduction à côté. Et puis, petit à petit, ça va de mieux en mieux jusqu'à ce que je me rende compte que j'ai plus besoin de la traduction et du dictionnaire. Avec cette méthode, j'arrive à lire assez vite, mais reste en retard pour l'expression et la compréhension orales.

>>10484079
*lack of systematic conjugation, is what you mean :)

>>10484012
Was du sagst aber unironik.

>>10484079
What you mean by 'irregular' verbs is actually 'strong' verbs, and they're perfectly regularly conjugated. There only a few truly irregular verbs, like 'to be'.

Verbs like 'sing' conjugate regularly: any verb with a middle 'i' sound will umlaut that sound in the preterite to 'a'.

> sing > sang
> shit > shat
> ring > rang

>>10479723
>Learn Polish vocabulary
>learn Russian grammar and pronunciation
>you speak Ukrainian AND Belarusian now

>>10479498
What are you using to learn?

>>10484863
What are you using to learn?

>>10485511
merci beaucoup (et bravo), ta méthode est très séduisante !

>>10485511
>Garcia Lorca, Rulfo, Cortázar
Excelente gusto anon

Te quería preguntar ¿Cuánto tiempo tardarste hasta que pudiste leer a Kafka en alemán? Yo llevo un par de años aprendiendo alemán pero utilizo el método contrario: desde que aprendí la gramática apenas leo y escribo, mas bien me dedico a hablar con nativos. El resultado es que me puedo desenvolver en el día a día en alemán pero soy incapaz de leer libros, por muy sencillos que sean.

Por cierto, deberías plantearte comprar un e-reader. No sólo tienes libros gratuitos, también te ofrece diccionarios integrados en todas las lenguas que necesites (traducciones y definiciones). A la larga te resultará más cómodo y económico.

>>10485511
>j'arrive à lire assez vite, mais reste en retard pour l'expression

HAHAHAHAHAHA

TU ES EN RETARD

>>10479336
yes. spanish from europe is quite majestic sounding depending on what part of the country you are in. spanish outside of europe tends to drop in its magnificence but this is of course absolutely based on personal preferences so why did you even ask such a silly question in the first place?

>>10484622
Seconding this, german for reading is amazing

>>10486188
Can you read a Kafka story after finishing German for reading? And how long did it take you to get through the textbook?

>>10486201
Question is also addressed to:
>>10484622

French because culture
I tried starting Japanese but the writing kills you

>>10484635
Learn Norwegian if you care about the literature

Where do I start with French?

I don't really need to be able to speak it, just read French lit and understand French films.

Can I start reading The Stranger-tier French after 2-3 months?

>>10478584
Spanish
I need it to speak with Spanish people
Two years of torturing Spanish people with questions about Spanish

Can someone recommend me a way to learn more complicated vocabulary words, maybe a book that is simpler but uses more complicated words. I can speak it pretty well, but my hang up is not knowing what some words are and having to ask people what they mean.

>>10481830

Trying to decide between learning russian and german. Any advice on which to pick? I'm attracted to the literary depths of the russian golden age but don't know how relevant it is outside of that

>>10486154
No te puedo contestar exactamente porque alemán, lo he aprendido a la escuela y, más tarde, vivendo y trabajando en Alemania. Sin embargo, no creo que sea multo más dificle que español. Pues, ¿sabes por qué eres incapaz de leer libros? ¿Es que no entiendes gramática? ¿Es que hay demasiado palabras que no conoces? A pesar de todo, es normal si al principio se necessita una hora para leer una página.

>>10486373
Mi problema es que me falta mucho léxico. He leído libros para niños tipo Momo o die Unendliche Geschichte, pero cuando me enfrento a textos literarios o científico-técnicos cada frase tiene dos o tres palabras que no conozco. Me cuesta seguir la narración si estoy parando a cada momento, además tampoco disfruto de la lectura y como me frustro lo dejo en seguida. He pensado en comenzar a leer historias cortas (p. ej. Kafka) para solventar esto.
¿Me podrías recomendar algún autor de cuentos en alemán, o algún autor tipo Hemingway en alemán?

>no creo que sea multo más dificle que español
Hombre, siendo un hablante nativo de Francés (lengua romance), creo que si que es relevante.

>>10486428
>>10486373
>>10486154
>tfw you can understand all of this perfectly eben though you never studied spanish because you're from a romance language-speaking country

>>10486445
I can read alot of French through my knowledge of Spanish too, same with Italian. Though that is not the case with spoken french of Italian.

>>10486370
German

Russian is more difficult and less worth the effort despite the great works

>>10486464
it's good to be latin

>>10486464
This desu, I can understand most spoken Italian as a Spanish and Catalan speaker though, but French is downright impossible.

>>10479602
>>10479608

To the people learning Sanskrit. Have you noticed the amount of nutjobs sharing your interest? I got interested in Sanskrit once and I kept stumbling upon either Hindu nationalists who believe Sanskrit is the first and of course the greatest language, or 'spritualists' who believed that saying Sanskrit words out loud will give them magical powers.

I like the language but the community is kind of shit. Luckily there are still some notable Western orientalists studying South East Asia but they are few and between these days.

>>10486201
I've only gone through to chapter 4 so far. Holidays set back my progress but it didn't take me too long. You could probably bet on at least 2-3 hours per chapter. First two are pretty easy though.

>>10486201
It says in the textbook that it takes 80-120 hours to go through the text

>>10486535
That's literally everything out of India though. Look up "Classical Tamil Language" on youtube. You will find NOTHING about thr language, just armies of smelly Dravidians rambling about aliens and muh first language and muh Tamil super powers.

>>10486535
Yea, i'm one of such nutjobs. I believe God descended to give us the sanskrit language along with the vedas; but i've always been crazy like that. I haven't met others studying it, but i can definitely see it. Actually, prabhupada insisted people should chant the gītā and bhagavata even without knowing the meaning, and especially the name of Krsna, because the name being of God has it's potency.

Anyone have one of those /lit/ infographics on how to approach learning Spanish?

I came across them here a while back and they looked super useful

>>10486428
>Mi problema es que me falta mucho léxico
En todos idiomas, léxico es la parte más larga y aburrida. Prueba "anki" y ve si te gusta.

>He pensado en comenzar a leer historias cortas
Robert Walser, Stephan Zweig y E.T.A Hoffmann son maravillosos. Tal vez tú puedas leer obras también (Max Frisch, Friedrich Dürrenmatt).

>Hombre, siendo un hablante nativo de Francés (lengua romance), creo que si que es relevante.Hombre, siendo un hablante nativo de Francés (lengua romance), creo que si que es relevante.
Yo también soy francés. Pero, ya que hablamos inglés (germánico idoma), alemán no debería ser demasiado difícil.

Currently working on Spanish even though I don't care about it because 1) it's easy, 2) """usefulness""", and 3) I'm using it to learn how to learn a language. After this I'm going to move on to something I'm actually interested in. Either French or Hungarian, haven't decided yet (and have plenty of time think on it).

>>10486545
That doesn't answer my first question though.

>>10487253
im interested too

>>10483271
Studied Japanese for 2 and a half years then spent all of 2017 studying Korean. Feel exactly the same way. Could easily smash out 2 hours of Japanese study a day but with Korean I’ve been struggling to find that kind of motivation. I find Korean a lot harder than Japanese as well due to the difficulty in listening and pronunciation. If I was in your position, I’d just try and get to a decent everyday level and stop there, unless you want to live there for a long time.

>>10487253
>>10486545
It also says in the book you should be able read German literature competently with minimal intervention

>>10487394
I'm not asking what it says in the book, I'm asking if you can do it after studying with the book. There are hundreds of books that promise you'll learn German in weeks, I'm asking about your experience with it. Are you autistic or trolling?

Any advice for someone who literally just started memorizing hiragana and katakana? Hopefully will put 3 hours a day into Japanese until college starts again.

>>10486535
Yeah, 99% of Youtube videos are Indians practising their hymn recitations, praising some obscure Sanskrit 'guru', or bleating about Krishna or whatever.

I tend not to use videos though, nor believe in any of the supernatural nonsense, and just plough through as many Victorian-era grammars as possible.

Max Müller's Grammar is fantastic, by the way, and is essential reading.

>>10486000
Well i don't know, I'm trying out a few online courses, i have duolingo and I've bought a few bilingual books.

>>10487590
Look into using Anki for flashcards. There’s tonnes of free flashcards and there’s great paid ones on sites like Japaneselevelup. Once you’ve got a decent vocab of about 2-3000 words, you can start reading manga and for listening practice I recommend watching western movies that you’ve already seen dubbed in Japanese. It really just takes time, consistency and patience. It’s not overly hard, just time consuming.

>>10478584
我学CHINAR for 可爱中国少女

don't bother with duolingo, it's still in alpha, but there are decent apps and a lot of mainland folks are interested in language exchange

>>10487671
Is watching anime for listening practice a waste of time?

>>10487403
the book mentions those results are based off the experiences of students who used the first edition of that text

>>10487403
hothead

>>10487728
it's literally why half of non-Japanese speakers know the language

>>10487728
Not at all. But most animes won’t teach you everyday conversation. But animes like Beck are pretty realistic in my opinion. If you want to watch anime, the best method is read the manga then watch the anime straight after. The dialogue is the same most of the time so you’ll understand heaps.

>>10479469
>>10479723
Om man bara lär sig ett nordiskt språk så kan man med lätthet vänja sig vid de andra. Lär dig ett, få två och ett halvt på köpet.

On a slightly different note; I'd like to learn french but I'm too much of a lazy cunt to actually bother.

>>10483271
I've always wondered what kind of Classical tradition Korea has. China has their ridiculously vast stockpile of untranslated Classics (http://www.chinaknowledge.de/Literature/literature.html)) while Japanese has stuff like Noh and Kabuki, as well as the flourishing of Literature that came during the Meiji Period. Yet, you rarely hear anything about a Korean literary tradition.

My new years resolution has been to study 10 chinese characters a day.

So far so good. Found me a new hobby boys.

>>10488197
Whats the point if you aren't going to use the language for anything.

>>10488197
Better supplement that study with some simple texts though. Learning the two-character compounds and what nuances they hold in different contexts is probably more important than just drilling the characters.

>>10488239
学而时习之,不亦说乎?

>>10487644
Thanks for the reply. Just wondering what I should try.

>>10478584
>what language
I'm trying to learn French.
>why
I've "learnt" French for 8 years in middle and high school but never really cared for it as I was already good at English (not my native language).
I want to be able to read French texts.
>experience
I'm still studying the basics, but I know English and Romanian so French is not that hard to learn.

im lerning inglish

>>10488504
Yu are greit so far!! Kip up the god wourk!

>>10488504
>>10488533
show bob and vagene

why should i learn anything besides english most good books and anime are translated fuck off

>>10488573
>most good books and anime are translated

This isn't

https://vndb.org/v21535

I have to take exit level courses for a foreign language to graduate at my university. I'm taking Spanish currently and it's difficult for me (I only speak English) but I find it enjoyable. The thought of being bilingual at some near point in the future makes me very happy so I think I have the drive I need to stick with it, plus I'm studying in Madrid next year. Is there anything I can do on my own to speed up the process? I already try speaking it with my bilingual friends and professors.

>>10488640
Find a friend to speak it with, find simple books to read, read newspapers in Spanish, listen to shows in Spanish.

Has anyone here taken the C2 level test for German? I'm planning on doing it sometime this year and I'm curious to hear what someone else did to prepare, or even just how they might've practiced their German day to day if they weren't living in a German speaking country st the time.

mandarin chinese, to fill a college requirement. this language has a really high skill floor unfortunately.

>>10488573
languages are different ways of not only communicating but thinking too. very worthwhile experience even for brainlets like you

I want to learn Norwegian. Any suggestions that aren't on the int wiki?

>>10485540
Thanks anon, that's clearly better.

>>10485566
I didn't know this. My teacher introduced just two types of verbs: regulars and irregulars. To conjugate regular verbs you have to just add an "d" af the end of the verb. In the case of irregular verbs, you have to memorize the respective conjugation.

What is good novel, essay or whatever to start to read literature on english and improve my vocabulary?

>>10488839
the phrase '我要冷水' will be your greatest ally should you ever visit

>>10488573
found the murican

>>10488785
I have not taken it for German but for English. The general rule of thumb is to study the test, not the language. Familiarize yourself with the structure and the particular quirks of the test. If there is a writing part, check out the types of text that they ask for (report, formal letter, etc.) and FOLLOW THE FORMAT to the point. Use older tests to study, they should either be available on the internet or in books from Goethe Institut. Remember that the speaking is also a part of the test that needs to be practiced, even though it's harder to self-assess. Viel Glück anon.

>>10486864
Gracias anon, me he guardado tus recomendaciones. Tu español es cojonudo, por cierto.

Do you burgers who learn Spanish go for a peninsular or lat-am pronunciation?

Currently learning French and Greek.

One day I hope to also learn Latin and German and maybe Italian.

>>10489287
Then your teacher doesn't know English well enough.

'Weak verbs' add a dental consonant to the end; it is *not* always 'd'.

> open > opened
> build > built (from *builded)

'Strong verbs' change their central vowel sound by a set of umlaut changes which are quite regular, not irregular.

> drink > drank
> write > wrote
> eat > ate

These umlauts are quite subconscious in native speakers, so that given a made-up word, one could give its strong past tense.

For example, the made-up verb
> prif
Would have a past tense
> praf

Then there are the 'irregular' verbs, which usually include 'be' and 'go' (but 'go' isn't actually irregular at all, just has a past tense of another verb).

Leaning French mostly on Lingvist. Any frenchanons can tell me a decent newspaper so I can try to read it every day?
Also I wanna try to learn Hungarian one day

My German is on a basic level, any short stories recommendations for improving?

>>10478683
me three

>>10478604
Good stuff. I've been reading a book about Ancient Egypt and I was suprised to find out how little we know about them. How hard is it to actually learn hieroglyphs?
And don't give a shit about what stem fags say. Most of them are miserable because they don't even like the subjects, they just do it for money.

>>10494275
Thanks anon. Surprisingly, reading Hieroglyphs on the level of understanding required to read the Sarcophagus or Stela at your local museum is about as easy as Latin when you get the hang of it. As hieroglyphs were a religious craft, most of it follows a formulaic layout that can be easily identified like how you'd identify a shitty copypasta on /lit/.
The lack of understanding we have of the Egyptians is why its so easy to love them. Infact, the more you read about them, they start sounding like a bunch of self aggrandizing autists

>>10495089
>as easy as Latin

Japanese. Finally on Neetbux so I figured I should step up my weeb game

>>10492552
It's not literature but The Pirate Bay has a huge collection of German graded readers that are very good.

>>10486445
Yo encuentro que el francés, seguido por el portugués, son los mas "raros" de leer pero como quiera se pueden entender.
>feels gud to be latin

>>10495242
> he thinks Latin is hard
Time to reevaluate your life, son.

>>10486370
Russian by far

all Germans speak English

>>10478584
Been teaching myself Hebrew the past few years. Keeping that going. Wanted to read their news in the original language. Wayyyy different than the English versions. These jews really hate White people.

>>10483340
I think Japanese has a better chance of gaining traction internationally simply because of anime and manga.

>>10496521
what ? only haaretz do (and they hate jews, ie themselves, even more), all the other newspapers that you can only read in hebrew lean heavily on the right

>>10490996
What?

French, Hebrew (sort of), and basic Italian.

>>10497345
I thought leaning heavily on the right was just a feature of Hebrew

>>10495089
Are you the poet?
> bunch of self aggrandizing autists
Any particularly good examples?

>>10486288
Start with basic grammar, être, and basic conjugation of simple -er verbs. Building vocabulary everyday is a good idea.

>>10486288
There's a website with beginner lessons called lawless french dot com that can be useful to you

>>10498190
Who's The Poet?
>gotta stack the tallest tower
>work 20 years building a 150metre lego set
>officials give themselves hundreds of titles like "watcher of the King's shoe cupboard" to make them sound important
>priests are furries: a key event in Egyptian religion is a dog man raping a bird man
>Akhenaten took the Bogpill
>hates foreigners

>>10478584
Spanish. I'm just reading stuff and need to focus more and listening to and speaking it.

>>10484104
>I’m interested in learning German but I’m unsure where to start.
My grandfather learned English as a second language - only speaking German for the first few years. He had a large impact on my learning of English and he continued to use a lot of typical German sentence structure - sentence structure that is still considered grammatically correct in English but that has fallen into disuse. My advice is to master archaic English sentence structure. This should be easy if English is already your primary language and you already have a solid foundation. This will give you an advantage when you have to write using foreign words that are not well established in your vocabulary, as you will only be overcoming one difficult obstacle at a time because the grammar will be second nature to some extent. Also, make heavy use of words that are either spelled the same or pronounced the same in English.
>eis = ice = spelled differently but pronounced the same with the same meaning
Review a dual language dictionary for more examples.

>>10482410
Irish as well but never learned Gaeilge despite our wonderful education system forcing it down our throats.

I was surprised to read in "The Islander" by Thomas O Crochain (botched his name there) that it is not difficult to learn and he was fluent in reading and writing within a year.

How would you recommend learning Irish? (if you say Gaeltacht you can come right off it, I lived beside a Gaeltacht my whole life and most of those cunts can't speak a word)

>>10495089
Tell me Egyptanon if you're still here, how do you pronounce Thoth? Do you focus on pronunciation at all or don't bother?

>>10487403
It won't teach you every word that Kafka uses, but it will absolutely provide the groundwork. Read it with a dictionary at hand, write down the words you had to look up, then read it again.

>>10488573
>why should I work to better myself and increase my understanding?

learned italian last year in 6 months, my 3rd language (including my native), goal this year is to at least be able to read latin, learn fluentely spanish and french

what I did
>only duolingo until I completed 30%, at this point I joined an italian-speaking wpp group to practice and started reading simple texts, kept doing duolingo daily
>when I was like 70% I started listenning to some podcasts about whatever, watching italian movies or english movies with italian subs. Started reading news in italian daily, and kept doing duolingo
>reached 100%, studied the most used verbs (to do, to be, to stay, to have, to see), started writing a daily journal exclusively in italian and kept reading news, watching movies and reading novels

took me like 2~3 months to finish duolingo. I intend to do the same with spanish and french, I believe it will be easy to reach fluency in like 2 months with spanish, but french will take longer

>>10478899
5 or more is the commonly accepted unspoken standard for polyglotism

>>10488573
"[...] And I think that studying the spirit and the mechanism of other languages helps greatly to more deeply understand the national language. In general, however, I studied for pleasure, desire, distraction"

>>10499280
not him but tg4 is great. spongebob and south park in irish (dubs and subs so you can't cheat by turning on subtitles) and a lot of watchable shit regularly. i'm not sure spongebob is safe for children dubbed tbph. maybe the rudeness is just more apparent in irish idk, but i doubt censors are checking it either you know?
>tldr- animes :3

>>10498960
There was an anon here who made hieroglyphic poetry

>Akhenaten took the Bogpill

Nice

Also how wrong was herodotus about the Egyptians?

>>10499358
More than you'd hope, less than you think

>>10484812
I like au service de la France, it's on Netflix in Europe.

>>10499299
Thoth is just Th-o-th. In Egyptian script he's called Tehuti or Tehuty or some form therof. They didn't write down vowels though so there's no point getting hung up on it.

I've been learning German in Germany the last 1½ years, and I'm going to study it now, to earn some money (socialdemocracy, fuck yeah).
I basically speak it fluently, but it's also easy as fuck, coming from Scandinavia.


>>10484635
As soon as you learn Danish or Norwegian, you have a good possibility to read in the other scandinaviian languages.
(Protip: Finland is not Scandinavia)
also check out this comment
>>10482395

>>10487618
>relying on outdated 19th century western textbooks to learn Sanskrit
Believe it or not, the best way to study Sanskrit is from those very same Indian gurus you mock. Sanskrit is difficult, and without a teacher I honestly can't see anyone getting too far.

And last of all, your pronunciation is most likely going to be screwed up. Although I suppose there's nothing to be done about that.

>>10486535
Hinduism is still living, unlike the Greeks or the Romans, so it's only natural you'd find Hindus who are passionate about their culture.

>>10498072
kek

>>10499330
What is a wpp group?

>>10501829
whatsapp group where people from all over the world learning a language join to speak that 1 language exclusively. Italian group I joined has people from USA, brazil, mexico, spain. Usually there are few people that natively speaks that language, so they help out sometimes. Its good, but it gets old after a while

>>10502003
wow, i use /int/ for this. how does one join one?

Are the "for dummies" guides any good? Want to learn french.

>>10502766
No. Assimil is really great. I've used it to learn several languages from French, and they have a French from English book.

>>10487644
What are those online courses, anon? I also want to learn Russian

>>10484051
>>10478819

All of Cicero is him at his best. Extremely challenging to read, however.

I want to learn Russian. Where do I start and what general advice can you give?

>>10503361
Honestly it's early days for me, i don't feel like i can properly evaluate much beyond this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.caesar.rusalphabet
For learning the alphabet, it's just a series of videos but i found it really really useful.

>>10481159
So there's a Poland-made latin movie, Imperator/Emperor by Konrad Łęcki. available on Youtube. got the info from an academic latin buff.

>>10503381
Another anon here. I just went through a few lessons (parts 1 - 5, plus part 15 videos once they were mentioned), and it's not bad at all. I like it. I come from a Russian background and understand basic spoken Russian and speak a little. In regards to reading and writing, I'm not nearly as good though. I can slowly make out some words already, but could definitely use some further learning and practice.

The whole contextual learning strategy the app uses is beautiful and has inspired me to finish it and seek further resources. Cпacибo!

>>10499280
Honestly? This https://www.edco.ie/Bunt%C3%BAs-Gramada%C3%AD/Default.2876.html
I used this textbook when I was 12 and it served me very fucking well. If you master all the grammar in here and pick up your vocab in other places you'll be fucking flying. Also, buy an A4 for vocab only one for grammar only and one for doing comprehensions, listening exercises etc. Good luck friend.

>>10500114
Hey anon, if you don't mind me asking, where in Germany are you? And are you studying or working? I'm planning on moving to Germany and study the language full time for a couple of months (I already have a B1-B2), then try to find some job to sustain myself while I keep learning by inmersion, so I'm interested in your experience.

>>10500162
> relying on outdated 19th century western textbooks
Mate, it's Sanskrit. Shit hasn't changed for 4000 years.

Those guru-circlejerk videos aren't going to teach you how to conjugate a Sanskrit verb and the one billion exceptions to exceptions.

>>10486428
Empieza con algo muy,muy fácil, como libros infantiles. Leelo capítulo por capítulo, subscribiendo cada palabra nueva y su traducción en el libro. Entonces, relee el capítulo varias veces, durante el curso de tres-cuatro días, poniendo atención especial a las palabras desconocidas y tratando de memorizarlas.

Así vas a aumentar tu vocabulario continuamente.

>>10479605
What media exactly? I pretty much know French but if I don't use it more it'll wither away. Hit me up mate.

Also Swedish would probably be superior (coming from me as a Swede), our Nordic neighbours don't have "Eurocop". Check out "NRK Humor" on YT though

>>10485511
Moi aussi je le fais comme ça et faut dire que ça va très bien. Mais en effet, pour mieux apprendre à écouter et à parler, il ne tient qu'à regarder des films/series à la langue cible. Je n'écoute aussi que de la musique de cette langue. Je veux préciser qu'en regardant ces films/series, il faut trouver des sous-titres pour la langue cible, sinon ça va à la poubelle.

Après avoir regardé "un village français" et "braquo" avec des sous-titres français, j'ai commencé à (presque) tout comprendre.

>>10503697
I had German a bunch of years in school, and had the basics from there.
I've been traveling in Germany quite some, and living in an occupation camp near Cologne (in the west). Generally, you can learn alot from the language by being in Germany. Everything is in German, and some people barely speak English anyway.

>>10486373
>>10486428
Me encanta cómo todo francés afrancesa el español cuando lo habla.

>>10478584
I need your help /lit/.

In the context of fiction, has anyone ever depicted a character not knowing a language and not being able to read their own language? I mean in written form.

>>10487708
Got any easy Chinese novels?

>>10502807
second assimil
bretty expensive at 30eu a book, but exercises are ok and after four months you'll be able to perfectly read french news articles and simple books

>>10487708
>don't bother with duolingo, it's still in alpha
It has been in beta for a while now