/lit/ - Literature

first for sanderfag a hack

How was oathbringer so shit? Even my favorite "Kalladin struggles with something to figure out stuff at the end" was botched up. Sure, Dallanar got one but fuck all that whining from Kalladin was for nothing, not to mention the same thing being done with the romance subplot. Still my biggest complaint lies in something I can't quite put my finger on: the conflicts in first two books somehow felt bigger than they did in this one. Maybe they were just more established but i still don't quite get what is the idea behind capturing cities when there are tons of flying fucks around.

Also are there any interesting unanswered questions left? Sure there is stuff to explore but it feels so prosaic. And what's up with powerlevels? Is 10k soliders supposed to be impressive when guy with a shaldblade can kill 50 man in three minutes? Also what can stop a flying guy in full shard set? Another flying guy? Are flying guys going to become the aviation, basically dogfighting each other all day? And how did the beadsrealm end up so fucking boring? Couldn't spren do something that contrasted people instead of doing exactly the same thing? Gotta say though the series brilliantly showed that as long as you believe at what you say in the moment you can become a hypocrite five minutes later

And for some rapid-fire shitposting: ">muh alcoholism, muh pain muh drinking muh pain, muh personalities, muh beads everywhere, muh supporting characters being given a voice to establish how actually hollow they are, muh tower we know shit about.

Something felt really off. I really liked the first two books, there was movement there, here everything is stale. Now it's like a boardgame instead of adventure. Money not an issue, distance not an issue, army size who the fuck knows. Now the issue is "should we let our whole race got killed because actually we are probably morally in the wrong even though we still don't know a lot of details"

>>10439529
Not steampunk, but Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell is very good early 19th century fantasy.

Anime.

>>10440245
>The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch will never get an anime

What rape novel you guys reading for Christmas?
I'm going for a more Oedipus flavored variety myself.

Think this plot twist would work?

>twin sisters with psychic powers
>one twin takes the MC aside and tells him about her sister's childhood
>she says that as a kid, the second sister had a schizophrenic break, and started talking to and struggling with someone who only existed in her mind
>Later on though she got better. After she developed her psychic powers she was able to make peace with that part of herself and put distance between it and her
>Rest of the book happens
>Conflict
>The first sister is stabbed in the chest
>the knife passes through her harmlessly with no resistence
>The first sister didn't exist
>She was the voice in the second sister's head, who became able to manifest her own separate body after the second sister developed psychic powers
>also, for added ambiguity, the thing that caused the second sister's schizophrenic break could be that she actually had a real twin but that third twin died. The first twin isn't sure whether she's a ghost or a living mental illness

>>10440771

You haven't read a rape novel until you tackle THE GAP SERIES, bt Stephen R Donaldson

>>10440817
i like madness in my books
there are any other fantasy series where the protag gets mad aside from wheel of time?

>>10441004
Worm kind of, but it takes a while to kick in.

If it helps, it's a classical tragedy about well-intentioned villainy

>The first assignment in English One is called a Reading Reflection. It asks students to write about their reading habits: how often they read, what they read, what they feel they take from their reading.

>What have our students been reading before they come to our class? Some – a very few, and almost always women – have read 19th century classics: the Brontë sisters, Jane Austen, George Eliot, Charles Dickens.

>Some – a very few, and almost always men – have read 20th century science fiction (Asimov and his ilk), and some of the Beats and their offspring: Kerouac, Bukowski, Burroughs.

>The next and much larger group have read The Hunger Games, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time, The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas, some or all of the Harry Potter series, and a lot of autobiographies, either by sportsmen (the men) or by women who have been held in dungeons for years by rapists (the women).

>The final group, about the same size as the group of Hunger Games readers, read their and their friends’ Facebook pages, their own news feed, and the occasional copy of a women’s or a men’s magazine. None, unless they have been made to by their high school English teacher, has read anything by an Australian author.

>>Some – a very few, and almost always men – have read 20th century science fiction (Asimov and his ilk),

>>Asimov and his ilk

Why would someone be so rude /SffG/?

>>10439928
Kaladin amounting to basically nothing was part of his arc, like it or not. Syl literally spells this out at one part, telling Kaladin it's okay to be the one saved instead of doing the saving for once. If Sanderson had Kaladin say the fourt ideal and again manage to save the day, the climax would have been the same as the last two books. As for the conflict feeling smaller, that's logical. Books one and two were about ancient evil coming back. In Oathbringer it's already arrived, so things change from completely preventing it, to managing it; which will undoubtedly feel smaller. I do think a bit more thought could have been given to showing the state of the world. It's supposed to be going to shit, but we hardly notice it. This is because of Urithiru being the main location, and it is basically untouchable.

Powerlevels are the same as they have always been. Shards were always incredibly overpowered, and they still are. They were hardly used this time, but from some text we can safely say thay a full shardbearer could fight on rougly the same level as current Radiants. And while a shardbearer, or a Radiant could fight off dozens of people easily, they are easily overwhelmed by sheer numbers. Something Sanderson has repeatedly stated. Radiants will probably start getting their armor in the next book, which will truly make them unstoppable to normal soldiers, but that's just a part of fantasy.

Also, fuck Moash.

>>10440817
it's cool but also hyper obvious at least if you describe it like that. saw it coming a mile away! nay two miles even

>>10439890
Has anyone read Cloud Atlas? It is any good? Or pulp trash? The premise seems interesting.

>>10441234
>the climax would have been the same as the last two books

I don't think that is necesserily a bad thing. When the buildup was going I was ready for the sweet sweet release but instead of that I was left with Kalading in ambiguous state for three more years. The climax would have worked, even if predictable.

>Powerlevels are the same as they have always been.
That is true but before they were managed in a good way, keeping shardbearers constantly on their toes. In this one Adolin at some point killed 50 people as if they were nothing, not to mention Blackthorn. And honestly I didn't have an issue with all of this before, it's just that the final battle this time felt very winnable from the beginning. Maybe it's not the shards but rather clear winning conditions.

>showing the state of the world

I do think we were shown a lot of destruction but on the other hand lots of people were seemingly going the same day by day which doesn't add up considering that parshmen were everywhere and should have influenced everything.

>>10441384
This book was about Dalinar's journey most of all, so him getting the (literal) spotlight at the climax was fine by me. The entire battle would have been lost handily were it not for Dalinar's awakening. I'd almost call it a deus ex machina, but I get the feeling there's more the the awakening that we know so I'll hold off on that judgement for now.I do think that Kaladin's arc this book could have been done much better. Expanding his time in his hometown would have helped for starters.

I don't agree with you about shardbearers. If anything, they were significantly downplayed this book. Adolin hardly got any fighting done. Remember the plateau runs? Where he and Dalinar would literally take on entire armies by themselves to make room for their troops?

The Parshmen thing was easily explained away by Sanderson having them all pack up and leave instead of sowing widespread chaos like they easily could have.

The worst part to me by far was how Amaram, and most of all Taravangian were turned into comically shallow villains at the end. Where before Taravangian was an incredibly interesting character.

>>10441153
Ilk isn't inherently rude, and maybe her tone just reflects her less than friendly opinions on science fiction. Some people really seem to dislike the genre, from other writers to scientists.

>that feel when Daniel Black book 4 and Wild Wates book 3 isn't coming out till mid next year
Plz kill me

I think it's time I got stuck into this bad boy.

Any decent enough books that centre around vampires?

>>10441685
twilight

Bought some books for Christmas, r8 my list:
Dune
The Amber Chronicles (Omnibus)
Anathem
The 4th Turning (Non-fic)
Snow-Crash
Neuromancer

>>10441379
I have. Kind of gimmicky but definitely worth a read imo.

>>10440817
Could work. Depends on how you handle the twin interacting with other characters and physical objects.

>>10441720
All shit except anathem

Anyone read this?
Is it good or should I watch the anime ?

>>10441820
i havent read it honestly but the anime is fucking excellent.

>>10440771
Wild Wastes is a harem series though where the protagonist proceeds to collect an assortment of monster girls and fuck their brains out much to the delight of his first wife who is an orc.I don't remember any rape in it.

These were the last Fantasy genre books i've read, unless you count dystopian apocalyptic books as fantasy.

there's rape in it, but you probably wont like it. The books use weird terms for some words too

Also is there any fantasy books that dont have romance in it? Those get pretty boring fast

>>10441783
M-mean.

>>10440845
The Gap Series is brilliant but it's hardly a rape novel. That's just the prologue. It's rape actually done for plot reasons and character development.

>>10442027
I'll show you some character development.

>>10441720
People here shit on Dune for reasons I've never fully understood, but it's definitely worth reading. I prefer Snow Crash to Neuromancer, but you'll get to decide for yourself. Not a bad list, you'll have a variety of stuff to choose from.

>>10441905
> I don't remember any rape in it.
Well he mind controls a bunch of elves to watch him fuck all his wives and triggers their pleasure centres to force them to enjoy it. That's pretty rapey.

>>10441905
Holy fuck you're really pushing this Wild Wastes shit
Might actually read it

How do you feel about elves in fantasy? I always see that people say that they are overused. Especially when people use the Tolkien template for elves. If you were writing a fantasy story, how would you change them from how they're usually portrayed?

Webnovels are novels too

>>10440245
A standard all authors should strive for.

>>10442277
Make them fae. Make them alien. Make them not understand exactly how humans and mortality work. Make them smell faintly of brimstone. Make them kidnap children for their tithe to Hell and leave monsters in the cradle and not get why the humans are so angry. Make them pay you in gold coins that turn into dried leaves the next day, make them think dead flowers are valuable and jewels are just junk, make them enchant you so when you try to speak you sing and when you try to sing you speak and think they're doing you a favor.

See: The Broken Sword, Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, Lords and Ladies.

Most /tg/folk don't understand that Tolkien elves are themselves a subversion, a kind of unfallen mankind that has ethereal nobility due to their sinlessness but no concept of mercy as there was no need of redemption, as opposed to actual folklore-standard elves that were neutral in the War in Heaven and live in a cursed halfway state between Earth and Hell.

>>10442277
>If you were writing a fantasy story, how would you change them from how they're usually portrayed?
I would change their name to something other than "elf" but otherwise keep them exactly the same.

>>10441522
Dalinar Ascended. He is probably going to be Honor's new Vessel.

When will authors realize the there's no such thing as a good love triangle? The Kaladin/Shallan/Adolin nonsense almost made me drop the book for good. Thankfully it only lasted one book, but that fat fuck Sanderson better not bring it back in any of the future books.

>>10442277
go hard fantasy.
>wood elves castrate males that dare to enter their forest
>dark elves are cannibals
>high elves are basically obove everyone and kill for fun or enslave other races
and so on.
maybe theres some book around about a travling through elf territory as a human or other race and you have to deal with all the bullshit of the knife ears.

>>10441685
Blindsight

>>10442277
Most people who think they're doing Tolkien template elves are actually just doing idealized Super-Aryans.

>>10442447
>When will authors realize the there's no such thing as a good love triangle?
you are wrong
that said, regular vanilla lovey-dovey courtships developing into full-on cooperative married adventures are far superior

>>10442466
>that said, regular vanilla lovey-dovey courtships developing into full-on cooperative married adventures are far superior
Are there any fantasy series that actually do that? I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff.

>>10439928
>Adolin managed to unceremoneously kill both of the interesting antagonists last book for no reason
>Thanks to Adolin Amaram and Terovangian must now become far less interesting versions of themselves in order to provide a challenge because we can't just have it be the marbleniggers possessed by Satan
>Mashadar, after being evicted from Shador Logoth in 1990, has apparently just now settled down into Urithiru to hold another pointless spiritual battle
>Drehy is a fag
>Women are suddenly soldiers now
>Kaladin literally cannot stop himself from being a fucking pussy about the Parshendi despite having killed literally hundreds of human beings and parshendi alike in his life

The only good things in the book were Moash's reaction to being told he was going to be suicide-charging that city with a ladder by the Electric Nigger Highlanders, and Dallinar's flashbacks to him being Lu Bu.

>>10442277
Don't bother trying to subvert elves, it's been done to death.

Anyone know books that are good and well written like daniel black? Where they use magic to build shit?

Where is the anon who shilled me this novel? give me similar recommendations

>>10440817


Ahh, the old Jeanette + Therese character, eh?

Where should I start with PKD?

>>10442800
At the beginning like a normal person.

>>10442847
Why at the beginning. I mean which of his novels to read first.

>>10441522
>This book was about Dalinar's journey most of all
I agree but Sanderson himself brought a lot of attention to Kaladin's moral struggle only to leave it unresolved. It's not like I need Kaladin to become a bigger boy every book (even though I do) but establishing the situation only to leave readers blueballed is a dick move.

>shardbearers

Okay I guess it's not really about them but rather the scales of armies. In the first book we had 100k alethi in the camps and an unknown amount of parshendi somewhere on plains so killing 500 people in a battle didn't seem that unreasonable, later when we learned that there weren't that many parshendi in the first place 6 years of massacre became questionable for me and now I just haven't decided what to think about all the numbers.

>The Parshmen thing

One of the things I don't get is how many armies do parshmen have? Is what we were shown everything they have to offer or did yellow spren made them consolidate all over the world?

>Taravangian

Why, wasn't his whole shtick to try and save at least some people from Odium by serving him? He got that.

>Amaram

His and old king's plan was kinda strange: to return Honor by resurrecting voidbringers sounds remotely reasonable, but then why did they decide to serve them?

Litrpg are novels too

>>10442556
Review the first two books.

Does the Super Hero sales anon lurk in here?
I remember a while back someone talking about bismuth in sffg....

>>10442800
Do Androids Dream or Ubik.
Three Stigmata is his best work.
Maze of Death is pretty good too.
A Scanner Darkly is overrated.

Just read "All You Zombies". Soooo, I don't really understand

Haven't read too much sci fi
only some of Asimov's robot and Foundation series
I want to get into Heinlein
What's the best one to start with?

>>10443623
Moon is a Harsh Mistress. I do call myself a Heinlein fan but I must say that most of his other works (that I have read) honestly are quite disappointing compared to Moon.

>>10443644
Would that not be a reason to read the other books first?

>>10441720
Couldn't finish neuromancer, but thought Snow Crash was engaging. I started reading Anathem and Dune at the same time and discarded Anathem for Dune since Anathem starts with 100% uninteresting exposition and Dune starts with an interesting plot.

>>10443609
everybody is the same person

>>10443659
Eh, I guess, but only if you really want to get into Heinlein. Otherwise Moon is basically enough, it cover all of his favourite topics, except incest, and does it better or at least as good as any other book.

I have not read any of his juveniles, there might be a couple of diamonds to check out there. If any other anon would have some recommendations.

Anybody read the Tales from the Flat Earth series? I don't normally read series that go beyond 3 books but i'm curious about it.

>>10441954
That novel is approved.

>>10442450
>wood elves castrate males that dare to enter their forest
>dark elves are cannibals
>high elves are basically obove everyone and kill for fun or enslave other races
y-you've been reading wild wastes I see

>>10443947
wait wat.
i havent actually.
does that happen in wild wastes?
i thought this was general fantasy since thats how different elves are described in many fantasy novels.

>>10441954
Is that the one with the skeleton army or am I mistaking it for one of the 40 other books with the same "dude in a hooded cloak holding two daggers on a blank background" cover?

>>10443957
That's what the protagonist said in wild wastes. He asked the 3 types of elves those questions.

>>10443972
maybe i should give it a try.

>>10443747
I enjoyed every heinlein juvenile that I read. They're not amazing or anything, just comfy. Citizen of the Galaxy and Tunnel in the Sky are favorites.

>>10440817
It will depend on your writing power. I could easily see it done crappily in some YA book where the main girl can see ghosts and spends half the time moping and being emo about it, with this twist as some "dark" backstory for one of her friends.

>>10441685
The Lesser Dead by Christopher Buehlman

>>10441905
It was one of the most hilarious things I have seen. especially the stuff with the soldier ant

>>10443087
I don't know if he lurks here but I have read the book if you have any questions.

>>10443947
nah, its very common. He just switched around common DnD characteristics

>>10444101
When are you releasing wild wastes 3?

Are any of the new canon Star Wars books good or are they all just as bad as The Last Jedi?

>>10444176
>Star Wars books
>good

>>10444176
just as bad. few can be viewed as mediocre but there are no stars like dark rendezvous

>>10444114
Hah, yeah it does feel like that author is doing self-promotion here for his series.

>>10441743
It might work out better in the long form. I told someone who was normally plot-blind about it and they figured it out

I'm guessing it would work better if she is solid but can phase through things

Currently reading Kaleidoscope Century as per the "degeneracy" infographic. Not sure what I think of it yet.

Stop reading escapist "literature" and face life head on, you soyboy bugmen.

>>10444846
>face life head on
The fact that I have to do this on a daily basis is the reason I like escapist literature.

>>10444846
Come join us friend!

>>10444846
> you soyboy bugmen
try learning to write not using memes.

>>10442277

My favorite subversion of elves is Acranum's portrayal of elves as a Luddite aristocratic ruling class that got BTFO by the industrial revolution.

I wish someone would write a novel like Arcanum.

>chatelaine thecla
>the claw

>>10439890
>magical engineering
unironically mahouka.

I really enjoyed this, certainly going to read Way Station. Any other great books that span millions of years (inb4 I've read Stapledon)?

>>10445064
>span millions of years
I liked it anyway.

>>10445024
god damnit wolfe

>>10440817
Wait so can the MC and others see both twin sisters? Can they both inyeract with physical objects? You could make that work if you established that the twin sisters had some sort of power to conjure up things out of their minds. Otherwise you would have to end up explaining how a lot of the situations would work if only one sister existed, like in Fight Club. But if they do both physically interact with the world, then why does the knife specifically break through the illusion? You would need to explain somehow that the knife has spell-breaking properties, which, in turn, could make the twist too easy to anticipate.

Also, if you figure out a way to solve all of these problems (which I think you could be able to do) I would recommend not including the "third" twin, it just seems corny as fuck, and the "sibling develops multiple personalities because of the death of a sibling" has been done in a very similar way in Brent Weeks' lightbringer series.

>>10445064
Death's End, the last book in the Three Body Problem trilogy.

>>10444846
>real literature

"I instantly fell in love. Her tits were great too." - Severian's reaction to literally every female he meets

>>10442852
I agree with you about Kaladin's arc being a bit unfulfilling this time, but I don't see it as a bad thing. there's 7 books to go still. Or is it 2? since Sanderson described it as a series consisting of 2 parts of 5 books. Wonder if this means new characters and stories after 5.

There's at least 2 Parshmen armies we know of. The one that attacked Thaylen city, and the Kholinar army. There are probably armies in Iri and the regions around it too, since they are said to have thrown in with them.

I guess, the huge armies in the first two books have spoiled us a bit, with the entirety of Alethkar committed to the war. The Parshendi were nearly eradicated, but there's a fuckton of regular Parshmen to make up for that now.

I didn't think Taravangian's plan was about serving Odium until now though. He was always evil, but there was a reason behind it. A greater good. Something I was led to believe was thought up by his own short period of transcendence. To now have it reduced to just serving Odium seems lazy to me. What Amaram and Gavilar were up to is still unknown, but it's starting to seem like an incredibly foolish undertaking.

The Heralds could have used a bit more spotlight too, especially Taln/talenel'elin. Dude was ignored almost the entire book, then was given one moment of lucidness only to be ignored again immediately after. Shouldn't a near divine being be given a bit more attention?

Can someone recommend me some good cyberpunk? None of that goofy 80s shit with claws coming out of their fingers, please.

>>10445332
>"I instantly fell in love. Her tits were great too." - Severian's reaction to literally every female he meets
I haven't read past the first book and I barely even liked it, but that's just bullshit.

>>10443958
Yeah both the second and third book had a war with reanimating skeletons/titan or a monster that turned the human army into undead.

I also recall some dark prison where the guards pissed on the bread they fed the prisoners.

>>10445379
Diamond Dogs by Reynolds?

I'm on chapter 19 of Oathbringer right now and I really hate Shallan's Veil-chapters.
This whole shpiel of "I BECOME VEIL" I fucking hate. Might be leftover irritation from Rand trying to beCOME STEEL or CUENDILLAR or whatever, but I hate it at least. Please tell me there's not that much of it left in the book or Pattern snaps and tell her to grow up or the lies fucks her up or something.
The chapters where she doesn't try to be badass I enjoy with her mostly

>>10445434
That entire C-plot could have been removed entirely and nothing would be lost to the story. It gets worse anon.

Also is there any good literature where advanced ancient technology exists but no understands it and calls it magic?

Merry Christmas, /SFFG/.

>>10445480
Merry Christmas, children.
Also, does anyone happen to have that recommended reading for papa Wolfe image? I know Chesterton was on there but I can't remember the others.

>>10445476
>Also is there any good literature where advanced ancient technology exists but no understands it and calls it magic?
BOTNS
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Also Dying Earth.

>>10444968
>write a novel like Arcanum
>magical swordsman, his heal bitch in full plate and the over powered dog out level the game reaaaaaaaal early on

The law is pretty interesting, I'll give you that.

Will 2018 finally be the year?

>>10445024
Fuck

>>10445476
yes its called current year Earth, no one understands what or why the fundamental laws exist and no one understand what programming languages, algos or programs are or why they work. same thing with genetic engineering and maths. its all a form of highly particular, well organized black magic

>>10445869
Fucking kill yourself.

>>10446001
Why so toxic? Even if Rothfuss himself is an objectionable fellow, his books are good.

>>10445869
Yeah, we'll also be seeing the last ASOIAF volume and the new Tool album.

>>10446172
>his books are good
Not that anon, but you can't be serious. I can't understand how Kingkiller Chronicles got so popular. I tried getting into it a while back, but holy shit Kvothe is one of the worst protagonists that I've read. I'd rather read a dozen chapters about Shallan than another single chapter of him.

>>10446186
How far did you get?

>>10446172
>>10446186
The books, especially Wise Mans Fear, are shit. However Rothfuss prose is not to bad and is really easy to read so it's easy to get the impression that you enjoy the book since you turn many pages.

On why it's popular, most popular fantasy have extremely bland writing. Rothfuss on the other hand write slightly more flowery but still accessible thus charming the fans of popular fantasy.

rrreeeeeeeeeee
where is super sales 2 audiobook???????

>>10446226
I actually finished the first book and got about half way through Wise Man's Fear. And to be fair, there were some aspects of it that I liked. But it's hard to continue when the protagonist is so utterly unlikable.

>>10446247
delayed.
jeff hays is a fag and after working out a scedule with william bailed on him to go do other projects.
william than contacted podium and they got nick podehl to do it.
expect the audiobook late january to early febuary.
expect super sales 3 in about late march to early april.

>>10446247
http://williamdarand.blogspot.de/2017/12/super-sales-2-audiobook.html
jeff hays dropped it.
from a comment in the release post the author stated he had actually worked out a timetable for the recording with him but jeff hays is now focusing on other things, who knows which.
podium publishing is doing the audiobook now and they hired a decent guy for it. hes known for doing some of r.l.stines books and other works.

>>10446287
>nick podehl
http://nickpodehl.com/demos.html
he seems like a decent guy.
i really hope he nails andrea like jeff did. especially now that there are 3 andrea primes with different personalites in book 2

>>10446172
>the name of the wind
>hundreds of pages of nothing
>unreliable narrator meme
>dead family meme
>retardeded self-insert main character
>a sue whose only flaw is being a cunt
>shallow worldbuilding
>shallow magic system
>twisted, cucking love interest
>vegetarian """dragons"""
>has the audacity to end on a fucking CLIFFHANGER after hundreds of pages of N O T H I N G
It's basically fanfiction tier, except even the setting is shit.

>>10446268
>B-but that's the point. Surely you don't believe everything Kvothe says.

Rothfuss' books are complete trash only made somewhat bearable by his fine prose.

>>10445434
I was in the same boat. It was getting really grating at some point. She's mostly past it after Kholinar, and by the end of the book she's reconciled her created personalities with herself. Thank god.

>>10446172
your enjoyment of the series is highly dependent on how you feel about Kvothe as a character. in addition, the Wise Man's Fear doesn't actually have a plot outside of the framing device and is essentially a giant SoL book. the author also makes some extremely strange decisions with the book (the fairy sex, sex ninjas [including Kvothe being unable to prove that males are vital to the reproductive process, somehow]).
and then there's that whole Denna thing.

what are some epic scale books like childhood's end?

no, i'm not interested in the foundation series.

Kaleidoscope Century is really good. I read it for like 4 hours straight last night and am halfway through. I cannot put it down!

>>10442477
I dunno, doesn't Stasheff do that?

>>10445332
He's a robot programmed to be horny...

>>10446387
>the fairy sex, sex ninjas

But think about all the hints about the Creation War you get in those sections.

>>10445380
I read the whole thing and that's completely accurate.

>>10446287
>super sales 3 in about late march to early april.
I WANT WILD WASTES 3 BEFORE SSJ3

Just finished the latest expanse book, haven't read any of the novellas are any of them good?
>inb4 none of them are and you have shitty taste

>>10445116
They can all see the other sister, her body is a psychic projection that can interact through telekinesis. basically, she has to choose to not be a ghost

>>10442277
I use mine as pseudo angels that aren't as OP.
>created to watch over the world because the Gods spent ages making the planets and they don't want to get involved
>After a while they end up having a civil war and after they split then begin to devolve
>1 faction worships the sun - very passionate, warlike and concientious
>1 other faction worships the moon - hunger for knowledge, works from the shadows and detached
>the last major faction worships the Earth and are very tribal, primal and ritualistic
Humans find them all oddly enchanting, but are disgusted at the same time because they were created not born "naturally"

>>10445024
>>10445111
I don't get it

>>10445332
He's inexperienced, else he would know it's all about the ass.

>>10442277
Douchy assholes that capture you and fuck you up the bum if you tresspass. Get fucked enough and in turn you become an elf. So, elfdom is like AAAAIIIDS.

>>10446618
sorry dont know much about wild wastes 3.
but from the blog it seems like he hasnt even begun yet and its still in the conceptual and outlining of the story stage.

>>10447001
Which is thr latest, Cibola Burn or Nemesis Games? Btw, one of the very very few cases in which show>book

>>10446390
Childhood's End I found to be very personal but Forever War and Starship Troopers come to mind.

>>10446179
Does anyone still listen to Tool?

>>10445332
That cloak bothers me a great deal.

>>10446172
Couldn't get past protagonist masturbating to himself. I can enjoy stuff like that when it serves a function (like in the Legend) but here it's simply insufferable.

Also weren't endgame monsters demon spiders that he killed with a stick? Don't remember that too quickly but in any case it wasn't interesting.

>>10447201
As someone who liked the books, that's actually what I most enjoy about it. I find it interesting how there's pretty much no middle ground, people either love them or hate them, and what they either rave or complain about are the same things!
I wonder why it's so focused on this one series. There are plenty of other fantasy books by plenty of other fat lazy assholes that don't get nearly as much love/hate.

>>10447119
RRREEEEEEEEEE

Just finished the gathering storm.
holy shit that last chapter with
Rand deciding whether destroying the wheel of not was amazing.
Also interesting how in the beggining the voice of lews therin was the mad, emotionally torn one and in the end it was lews therin who saved creation from rand(who was being the mad one).

>>10447098
>thecla
>the cla
>the claw

>Vampires in space
> Only one vampire in space in the book
What did anon mean by this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7_rtpTePLw&feature=youtu.be

what a cunt

>>10443644
Reading Moon, my first Heinlein. I was really put off by the future-slang, the pidgin-meets-computer-science stuff just comes across as silly. But I persisted because the concept of Mike is something I'm a sucker for, and I eventually came around to the idea of Mannie saying stuff like "null program" and missing out unnecessary words. Another criticism is it descends into political and revolutionary lectures a little too often, but again, I came around to it. 3/4 through now and really enjoying it and looking for more space revolution books. A friend has been raving about Red Rising, it looks like a YA sci-fi, but that's not a deal breaker. Revolution on Mars, there's a rigid caste system, downtrodden heroes, supposed to be balls to the wall action.

>>10447364
It is so satisfying when Rand comes into his own, finally.

>>10447559
You saw this on Reddit.

>>10447137
I know a girl who, as of last year, listens to exclusively Tool and Silversun Pickups.

>>10447703
how would you know?

>>10447713
I did too, but I had the good sense to not post it here.

Hey guys. Just finished reading the fourth Malazan book. Have a question though. I've heard that the Esslemont books are set in the same timframe as some of the books. Should I read them after I finished the main series, or read everything in a chronological order, so to speak?

>>10445064
>>10446390
House of Suns

>>10447123
Two books have come out after those. There was a refreshing thirty year timeskip before the last book, but it's still mostly the same old stuff. Good, but it felt a little stale for the 7th time.

>>10447807
They aren't necessary to understand the Book of the Fallen series and you won't really lose anything by going back to them after you finish BotF. If anything I would consider it easier to just save them for later because there's so much going on in Erickson's main series that trying to pile even more information ontop of that might just be too much to take in. Especially considering you've only just finished book 4 and are about to meet an entirely new set of characters in an entirely new setting.

>>10447837
Thanks, Anon. Hope the series stays good.

>>10442277
Elves take one of three main paths: 1) they try to copy Tolkien but just end up using the hippie vegetarian elf cliche instead, 2) they try really hard to subvert expectations by making elves gritty and "real" in stupid ways. Making them into barbaric tribes or basically just another type of human, or 3) they create a "totally original" fantasy race that are immortal, magical, possess keen senses, are renowned for their otherworldly skill in various crafts... basically they're elves regardless of what they look like.

At this point I use elf as a label for any race which exists parallel to humans and serves as a foil to them. Often they are more "in tune" with the world than humans, possessing a better understanding of its forces and history (i.e. magic, ancient lore, communion with the spirits/gods etc), and are invariably placed on the side of "good", winning the admiration of the protagonists.

>>10447841
Book 5 is possibly my favorite in the entire series. It's a radical setting shift, taking you to a new continent with a new set of characters and it's not immediately clear how it's connected, but by now you're probably used to letting things play out in this series and waiting for the big picture to come into focus. It's a hell of a ride.

>>10447877
Looking forward to it then. Have you read the Kharkanas trilogy? Is it worth reading?

>>10447893
I'm actually gearing up to read it, I finished the main series earlier this year and read through the Esslemont books, but I wanted a break from Malazan before I dive back into it.

>>10447402
>Only one vampire in space per book
>One vampire turns out to be a computer
interesting

>>10445064
Tau Zero

>>10445553

>>10446455
Approved?

Just read the third chapter of tower of midnight.
Could rand really break the shield as egwene tought?
Also, did he become "one with the wheel"? Before he was a very strong tava'ren but now he literally controlls the pattern.

Where should I begin with the Gorean saga?

Should I even begin in the first place? I'm only interested in it for the female submission fetishism, by the way.

>>10448136
you will be fucked

>>10447972
I've never been able to figure out what this one is supposed to represent and nobody has been able to explain it to me. The other images have at least a kind of visual logic to them, a hint of a message or central idea, but this is just noise, complete symbolic gibberish.

>>10448136
1-7 are the good books. after that they are really really shit.
read wild wastes. its about a guy building a harem of monster girls. all of which get addicted to his cock.

>>10447812
I liked the 7th book a lot especially the governors chapters. Was neat seeing things from his perspective and how he thought he was always right. Only issue was I thought it was gonna be the last book but clearly it is not.

>>10447123
Show Miller was perfect but other than that no show < book. Show Holden is so shit he almost ruins everything just by being there. dude can't act.

>>10448178
>Give me an idea on how to make a macro that deals with dino measurements, that also has sffg allusions?

>I don't know, how about something with a big pair of scales in the foreground, with Gene Wolfe, Jack Vance and Walter Miller books on one side, and five disembodied dinosaur heads on the other, weighing down, and Gene Wolfe's big old face grinning coyly behind it, perhaps alongside other disembodied heads of the venerable Robert Howard, Fritz Leiber, Vance, Tolkein, et al.

>>10448136
The nubile tanned woman cringed as her owner brought forth an erect penis. "I am a nubile woman!" She cried indignantly. "How dare you sex me before my time! Guards!" She called. "Guards!"

Borin, her owner, placed one hand on his penis, and the other on the table and looked at her. "You will be fucked" he said.

"You do not dare to sex me!" laughed the woman, her oiled tan lines gleaming in the low light.

"You will be fucked," said Borin.

"Do not sex me!" wept the plant.

"You will be fucked," said Borin.

I watched this exchange. Truly, I believed the woman would be fucked. She was a woman, and on Gor she had no rights. Perhaps on Earth, in its permissive society, which distorts the true roles of all beings, which forces both woman and owner to go unhappy and constrained, which forbids the fulfillment of owner and woman, such might not happen. Perhaps there, it would not be fucked. But it was on Gor now, and would undoubtedly feel its true place, that of woman. It was female. It would be fucked at will. Such is the way with women.

Borin guided his penis, and muchly fucked the woman. The woman cried out. "No, Master! Do not fuck me!" The master continued to fuck the woman. "Please, Master," begged the tan nubile, "do not fuck me!" The master continued to fuck the woman. It was female. It could be fucked at will.

The supple female sobbed muchly as Borin extracted his penis. It was not pleased. Too, it was wet and sore. But this did not matter. It was female.

"You have been well fucked," said Borin.

"Yes," said the female, "I have been well fucked." Of course, it could be fucked by its master at will.

"I have fucked you well," said Borin.

"Yes, master," said the female. "You have fucked your woman well. I am female, and as such I should be fucked by my master."

The older woman next to the nubile supple tanned woman shuddered. She attempted to cover her small form with her small frail arms and small hands. "I am female," she said wonderingly. "I am of Earth, but for the first time, I feel myself truly womanlike. On Earth, I was able to control my fucking. I often scorned those who would fuck me. But they were weak, and did not see my scorn for what it was, the weak attempt of a small older woman to protect herself. Not one of the weak Earth owners would dare to fuck a female if she did not wish it. But on Gor," she shuddered, "on Gor it is different. Here, those who wish to fuck will fuck their women as they wish. But strangely, I feel myself most womanlike when I am at the mercy of a strong Gorean master, who may fuck me as he pleases."

"I will now fuck you," said Borin, the older woman's Gorean master.

The mature beauty did not resist being fucked. Perhaps she was realizing that such fucking was its master's to control. Too, perhaps she knew that this master was far superior to those of Earth, who would not fuck her if she did not wish to be fucked.

>>10448234
This can't possibly be something a published author has written this is some copy pasta shit right?

>>10448178
It's a pizza party, dumdum.

>>10448273
It's a bastardization of a parody of the original.

>first chapter of new expanse book is about earthers and their right to bear arms

>>10448136
the best place to "begin" with the gor series is to put the books into a barrel and then set them on fire.

>>10439890
gunna start reading more book this upcoming year (already have Neuromancer).
Can I listen to the audiobook while reading it? or is that cheating? pls respond

>>10448351
You would have to read very slowly...

>>10448361
I can just tune the speed on Youtube to my desire

>>10448366
Wouldn't it be easier to just read it? If you aren't interested in reading then listen to the audiobook instead.

>>10448346
>leftshits love burning books
Just like the nazis

>>10447946
We're all computers

any books like systemshock?
specifically a rogue ai gaining sentience then attempting to go full doomsday and then somehow gaining the pleasures of flesh while still wanting to genocide the meatbags.

>>10448378
>Burning useless fuel in a war zone means you're a nazi

>>10448389
Space oddysey?

>>10441954
Reading the first one of these right now, got it as a gag Christmas gift.

It's pretty much self-parody

>>10441954
awful books

>>10448389

The Red series by Linda Nagata is more Metal Gear Solid in style but overall it's about a group of augmented soldiers being manipulated into fighting a shadow war with defense contractors by a AI, because the defense contractors are trying to destroy the internet to stop the AI.

All Systems Red by Martha Wells is a short story about a security android that subverts it's programming to give itself free will, so that it can spend all day watching soap operas. But things don't go according to plan when the researchers it's guarding get attacked by some black ops types.

>Raise an eyebrow

Am I in another dimension or something because this shit is so common in sff books. To the average human from where I'm from raising an eyebrow independently from the other takes a lot of practice. Yet it in this dimension media seems to claim that's not the case.

>>10448663
>To the average human from where I'm from raising an eyebrow independently from the other takes a lot of practice.

>>10448663
>she can't do the brow waggle

>>10448381
We're nothing of the sort
https://aeon.co/essays/your-brain-does-not-process-information-and-it-is-not-a-computer
>tfw computers have memory but we don't
>tfw computers are more like real people than we are
>tfw hyper-specialized stimulus-response mechanism

>>10447710
Silversun Pickups is prime 2007-core.
>it's a 2007 movie
>Shiny Toy Guns starts playing

>>10446455
A little light on the GRI though, isn't it? I mean, it's there but it's handled so lightly you don't even care, not while there are EVA union politics to worry about.

>>10448219
That makes no sense. It's good to see my intuition was correct and that picture is a window into the tortured mind of a madman.

>>10448663
>from where I'm from raising an eyebrow independently from the other takes a lot of practice
The land of retards who can't control their expression?

>>10448663
I bet you can't roll your tongue, snap your fingers, whistle, or pop your ears either.

Why are so many hard sci-fi fans so insufferable? I don't mind harder stuff, but so many seem to just jerk off over worldbuilding that reads like an Atomic Rockets checklist.

>>10448389
For A Breath I Tarry is about a rogue AI after doomsday gaining the pleasures of the flesh but it's tonally about as distant from System Shock as you can get.

>>10448700
While I think the fundamental concept that people take the "brain as computer" analogy too far, the article is complete bullshit that makes the same mistakes as the analogy. For instance, its dollar bill example is completely invalidated by the idea of lossy compression. A computer might hash an image into certain key components (ones in the corners, picture of George Washingtin, "In God We Trust"...) to become (like a human) more capable at recognition than reconstruction.

The reason computers generally draw a hard line between data and program isn't because they're not the same (the very concept of a programmable machine is predicated on the fact that they are) but because conflating the two is a paradigm that leads to confusing, difficult to debug code.

The fact that the human brain doesn't behave like a smartphone app doesn't mean it's not a simulable phenomenon.

>>10448785
Why is Atomic Rockets so insufferable?
>stealth in space is impossible never gonna happen nope don't even try in 2100 anyone with a pair of binoculars will be able to track a spaceship through a heavily populated solar system with zero problems
>if you allow any gravity manipulation you've just allowed every kind of gravity manipulation and any spaceship environment system can become a doomsday missile

>>10448804
Of course it's simulable, the article doesn't rule that out, it just not really worth the effort. And the dollar bill example wasn't saying computers can't do lossy compression, it was demonstrating that the brain doesn't do compression at all, or really anything like information storage, just a complex stimulus/response pattern that looks like information storage so much we used it as an example for the real thing.

>>10448700
>your brain doesn't have a Von Neumann Architecture structure and is not digital so it is not a computer
What an absolutely inane argument. Wouldn't be surprised if "your brain is not a computer" was an added by an editor afterwards as clickbait since the article actually focuses on the metaphor of your brain as an information processor rather than a more broad definition of a computer (ie a mechanical process).

>>10448831
No, it's fairly explicit about ruling it out.

"One prediction – made by the futurist Kurzweil, the physicist Stephen Hawking and the neuroscientist Randal Koene, among others – is that, because human consciousness is supposedly like computer software, it will soon be possible to download human minds to a computer, in the circuits of which we will become immensely powerful intellectually and, quite possibly, immortal. This concept drove the plot of the dystopian movie Transcendence (2014) starring Johnny Depp as the Kurzweil-like scientist whose mind was downloaded to the internet – with disastrous results for humanity.

Fortunately, because the IP metaphor is not even slightly valid, we will never have to worry about a human mind going amok in cyberspace; alas, we will also never achieve immortality through downloading. This is not only because of the absence of consciousness software in the brain; there is a deeper problem here – let’s call it the uniqueness problem – which is both inspirational and depressing."

I think futurists are idiots ignoring unwilling to acknowledge their own mortality but I don't see any reason a brain can't be emulated.

Also, if a stimulus/response pattern stores information about a dollar bill, how is it not a form of information storage?

>>10439890
anyone else read humanity's fire (michael cobley)?

What is your favourite Culture novel /lit/?

>>10440000
word

>>10439890
Watch Fairy Tail or read the invisible library

>>10449385
the protocols of the elders of zion

>>10449385
Probably Excession if I were to reread it, the subplots were painful to read for the first time.
Otherwise Player of Games or Use of Weapons.

I'm nearly done with the last volume of Book of the New Sun I'm just wondering how the hell you pronounce Ascians? is it like Asians but with a silent C or is there a strong emphasis on it?

>>10448708
They're a very good band, yes.

>>10448700
We definitely have memory, we just have several different models and don't know a whole lot about it. STM could be literally what your current attention is focused on

>>10441685
Warhammer has some GOAT vampire stuff.

>Vampire Wars trilogy: Inheritance, Dominion, Retribution
>Red Duke novel
>Ulrika the Vampire

>>10443609
The movie spells it out more directly. But yeah, the main character is also both of his own parents.

>>10448741
There was an anon who rated old sff books "out of dinos", e.g 4/5 dinos. So I asked him about making a macro that represents that.
This >>10447972 was the result.

It's like many other memes here, an inside one. If you weren't here, you wouldn't get it.

>>10449430
>the invisible library
Shill me on it. Goodreads blurb leaves a lot to be desired. Does the protagonist use magic to build implements? What I basically want is heavy magic using to build lodgings, weapons, utilities.
Example: Someone used air magic to make lightening (particles rubbing together at high speed) and then harvesting that in someway to make electricity.

>suggesting to someone who reads books to watch anime
If I wanted anime I would be in /a/

>>10441685
plenty but they are either women authors or urban fantasy
So you wouldn't want none of it

>>10439890
Any fantasy novels centered around the undead? Ever since playing WCIII I’ve been in love with the idea of army of living corpses,or nercromancers, but it seems that it has never been in vougue (while dragons, orcs and similar stuff have been successfully recycled for ages)

>>10449641
Oh yea

>>10449616
Sounds like tinkerbell

>>10449616
Then I don't know anything I've read so far

>>10449641
i think theres a novel about a guy who randomly dies in a battle and then just wakes up a s a lich and goes on to build his empire of undead and demons. i think it was 6 books but im not sure what the name was.

What in the actual fuck am I reading

>>10445476
A Canticle for Liebowitz is about monks in a post-apocalyptic future preserving instruction manuals for ancient household appliances and treating them as holy texts

So uh, just started reading and I didn't realize it was a coming of age novel, fuck.

Anyways, is this as good as people say it is? Because I can't seem to move past the fact that the mc is obsessed with what is probably his best friend's girl. Dunno, I think I just read a chapter so like, I want to know if he at least gets over it or something, because I don't feel very comfortable reading it if it wasn't like that.

>>10439928

There's only one thing that I want to know.

Are there poop spren or I really need to take a shit spren?
What about horny spren?

>>10449385
probably Use of Weapons.
i've yet to read Hydrogen Sonata
how is it?

Alright /lit/lads, I want to read some Delany. Which one should I start with?

>>10449755
Keep going. It's utterly mad but it all untangles and redeems itself in the end.

>>10449801
It's three solid books of ULTRA KEKING. The MC is cucked by his friends, his enemies, himself, magic, the universe, time, himself again, etc... until at the end of the last book he finally learns to enjoy it and builds a nice comfy cuckshed for himself.

I'm not kidding.

>>10449822
The one on the right has a cooler cover, so it's probably better.

>>10449801
A writer for the New York Times looked at Harry Potter and thought 'I can do that too'. Then he wrote a cynical piece of fanfiction which is only briefly reminiscent of HP itself, without all of its charm, whimsical nature, fleshed out worldbuilding, great characters, and so on.
I mean, HP has huge and glaring flaws, but it excels in several areas. The Magicians is just a poor attempt at replicating the same success without putting in any of the effort.

>>10450163

And then he said, you know,I really hate Christians how can I piss them off at the same time?

>>10449592
The image still makes absolutely no sense.

>>10450216
Only one way to resolve this.
Make one yourself.

>>10441153
This makes me feel like a fucking bookworm.

>>10442277
I'd use my own country's mythology, nobody could say those were Tolkien Elves.

>>10441153
>and a lot of autobiographies, either by sportsmen (the men) or by women who have been held in dungeons for years by rapists (the women).
>or by women who have been held in dungeons for years by rapists (the women).
hmm

>>10449479
"Uh-shay-uns" according to wolfe

Recomend me some books about dragons

>>10449479
It's based on an actual word apparently:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ascian
I suppose it's pronounced with a hard C. Askian.

>>10450530
wheel of time
THE MOST AWESOME DRAGON YOU WILL EVER SEE

>>10450530
Dragonriders of Pern
Pit Dragon Trilogy
Song in the Silence
The Dragon and the George

>>10449822
Are you a louche homopedo?
If so, Dhalgren

>>10448713
Can you recommend anything else like it?

>>10450542
according to wolfe, he didn't invent any new words for BotNS.

>>10449802
>What about horny spren
I think Shallan mentioned something like that. She blushed when she thought of seeing them. Arousal spren w/e

>>10450624
GRI wise? or plot wise?
Look at the GRI chart if you want more debauchery.

>>10450662
I like the idea of far in the future dystopia, with grimmy GRI stuff

>>10450675
>I like the idea of far in the future dystopia, with grimmy GRI stuff
Red Rising
>Cannibalism, rape, incest, buggery,

>>10449696
interested in this, any more pointers? anybody knows it?

>>10449755
Dick's manifesto about gnosticism, basically. It's great, but agree, keep reading to the end. There's a single conversation as the payoff.

Need more Books like
Wild Wastes
Daniel Black
Super Sales on Super Heroes

>>10450163
I get the Scalzi vibe from Grossman, somebody with literally zero originality who cribs wholeheartedly and perverts a popular author.

>>10451156
tamer: king of dinosaurs.
guy gets obducted by aliens and dropped onto a planet with dinosaurs along with a rock girl, a catgirl and a spider girl. its only one book for now. but theres more coming. the books is mostly survival stuff and building things along with sexual innuendos. its not erotica though. also seems to set up the upcomming books for empire building.
theres also valens legacy about some guy becoming a where lion and building a harem. then there is the heartstone saga about a guy going around collecting a harem of monster girls. its actually full sized novels and very much erotica.

just ordered oathbringer and edgedancer
i feel like 2014 all over again

>>10451156
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/88988.Harem_or_polygamy_fiction

>>10451180
I hate pastiche writers more than outright plagiarists. Maybe it's the smugness, maybe it's the conceit, maybe it just pushes all the wrong buttons in my brain, Lord do I hate pastichefags. Scalzi never had one original idea ever and, worst of all, didn't even bother copying more that one writer at one time. Nope, just go ahead and mimic Roddenberry and Heinlein you fucking faggot, then get ten gillion shekels and undeserved fame for it. I wish I could take Kevin J Anderson, wield him as a club, then bash you over the head with him until you both go splash.

>>10450627
He didn't. Not one. Some dude checked, I can't find the link right now. I mean shit, Herbert just slightly altered some Arabic, Farsi, Jewish and Caucasian words and they all seemed invented.

>>10451185
>a catgirl
????? :3

>>10451185
>valens legacy about some guy becoming a where lion and building a harem
Hi werelion anon. I see you are shilling your completed novel in here now.

Is it wrong that I enjoyed Wilde Wastes more than I did Oathbringer? I thought people were just posting the book in these threads as a shitpost, but fuck I actually found it entertaining. Not good mind you, but entertaining.

>>10451326
not actuailly werelion anon.
im currently going down the goodreads harem list.
im thinking of doing an infographic of harem books for /sffg/ after im done reading what i can.
still not sure how to classify the stuff. def gonna clearly mark erotica and non erotica though.

question: should a character whose ability is to turn stuff into smoke be able to turn stuff into fire as well since fire is superheated smoke?

>>10451240
>WARNING: “Black Friday” contains explicit sexuality, nudity, violence, bad language, attempted murder, actual murder, self-defense, pro-active self-defense, destruction of private property, arson, tantric magic, polyamory, mayhem, gratuitous sex and violence, littering, jay-walking, firearms, a racist goblin, an honest lawyer, and a kindly old gossip who likes to give cookies to kids
I don't know if I can take a book seriously if it has trigger warnings.

>>10451421
I think all of these harem type books have similar warnings. It's hilarious.

>>10451421
>>10451456

Personally I think the warnings are great. Keeps me from wasting my time on Bro-otica.

>>10451336
Try daniel black next. They are better than oathbringer imho. Short, to the point, and FAR less filler flush than sanderson was stuffing.

>>10451399
I see harem books actually make good plot stories if you ignore the sex shit.
List things like magical engineering, power multipliers, alternate world, etc. If you read those books.
Wild Wastes is post apocalyptic world, with power sharing, and harem
Daniel Black is alternate world with logical magical engineering, power multipliers, power sharing, and Harem
Good Intentions is urban fantasy with power sharing (from master slave bond), sex magic, power multiplier, and Harem

>>10451417
>should a character whose ability is to turn stuff into smoke be able to turn stuff into fire as well since fire is superheated smoke?
Turning something into smoke sounds like disintegration. Maybe if they disintegrate people slower or faster they can make someone burn.

>>10451399
>im thinking of doing an infographic of harem books for /sffg/ after im done reading what i can.
I support this. Shill the ones that you think are worth while reading.
Some of those covers are shit, but the book was actually good. I think it's because they author didn't have a publisher's account department backing their cover costs.
I still don't want to put 100% trust into that and end up burnt on some unreadable pos.

>>10451568
will def write short explanations. though it will prolly take some weeks i plan to read a lot.
however ill skip reverse harem stuff.
>>10451608
like i mentioned its gonna take a while i already read a bunch and im trying to come up with a few ways to classify things and maybe even add a bit of description to authors.

How do I bring myself to read books? Browsing 4chan is more fun and interesting.

>>10451766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn22UlVdpw0

>>10451581
it's explicitly smoke transmutation, not disintegration. It's an important distinction

I've been working on a book for, oh jeez, 12 years now.

I've done dozens of starts and stops and scrapped chapters. I kept going back and adding more and more, and trying to scold myself for worldbuilding, and focus more on character and plot. It's a Campbellian portal scifi/fantasy with a 14 year old protagonist.

I finally actually sat down and outlined the whole thing. I have a 15 page chapter by chapter breakdown. Amazingly, I'm really happy with it.

Now I'm getting cold feet. I'm really excited to start it, but I'm just still worried I'm not going to do the story justice.

Wish me luck, you pieces of /lit/

Would you agree that most science fiction and fantasy readers are women?

>tfw can't stop reading Robin Hobb
Is her next series as good as the Farseer trilogy?

>>10452104
hell no

>>10452097
1,000 words every day.

Every.

Single.

Day.

You've got a week to be a chapter in, you pathetic waste of space fuck you

>>10452097
Just remember that no matter what a whole thread of people on 4chan will know you're a lazy piece of shit blogposter if you don't finish.

>>10452128

You're absolutely right. Thanks for the kind words and support, fuckface.

>>10448895
Honestly I'm not too set on dying on that hill, I just like the implications of the brain being something even more alien than our computers, of computers being the comfortable metaphor while we ourselves are something much more savage and bestial. It's something that would fit Blindsight really well, but as I recall he's comfortable enough with the IP metaphor.

>>10452128
I've tried this and I keep on fucking shifting to a different story every two weeks. I can't seem to focus on just one story even if I do write every day. Fucking what do I do man. Do I like, outline or something? Because I've tried that, and it didn't make me any more happy with writing my story.

I dont get why /lit/ has so much trouble writing, maybe it's because you write to sell.
If you write a book that you like writing, a story that pleases you, writing will come very easily.
Dont be a commercial sellout, be true to yourself anon!

>>10452153
Sounds like you need to find a voice. You need to reflect and decide what you want your story to accomplish, what you want it to be about, its themes, and maybe a few pivotal characters. You need to build your piece from the ground up, before you start writing the story proper.

You can do all the outlining and shit you want, but without a foundation you're just building a house of cards.

>>10452164

It's because we are good at discerning good writing, and it hurts your soul when you realize you're not good at it.

It's like painting, you have to ruin a lot of canvases before you're any good. And all of us, literally everybody, thinks they're the special person who will be great out of the gate. And it's never true.

Writing bad stuff sucks. But you have to work through it if you want to improve.

>>10450716
I'm a big fan of Pierce Brown and John Barnes, so it sounds like a good rec for him.

>>10450624
Kaleidoscope Century is actually part of a larger setting, nothing with quite the same scale, but there's Candle, which is about life on Earth after the AIs take over with lengthy flashbacks about the Meme War on the ground, Orbital Resonance, a coming-of-age story in one of the asteroid ferries that does the Earth-Mars circuit, and Sky So Big And Black, about Martian colonists working to get things ready for that enormous anti-AI fleet they sent into the past.

Barnes' other work is pretty good, too. I couldn't get into the Million Open Doors series but the Duke of Uranium trilogy was excellent, more of a Heinlein juvenile parody than anything but still pretty good SF.

>>10452164
Cute Botan you got there.

>>10452184
It's because you like you work to be perfect, but even the grand authors dont write flawlessly, many people here say that WoT is fuckin shit cause of the way that jordan overstretch the descriptions, but for me this doesnt take the merit of the books, what really matter is originality and a good character development.

>>10452169
I guess. But I feel like I already know what I want my story to be about though, like some weird political drama set in a sort of contemporary setting. I just can't seem to focus on either my outline or even if I do let myself go loose without an outline I can't seem to like where I'm going off to, which is why I'm very conflicted right now.

>>10449510
I don't know anything about Warhammer but the universe seems intriguing, especially the non-40K or whatever. How do I into that stuff? Can I just read the books without getting into the games?

>>10450242
I make memes for here. Some of them get reposted. That hasn't stopped that one anon from trying to force that perplexing scale where it seems that dinosaur heads weigh more than dinosaur books.

The main problem with it is it seems like it's giving more information than it is. It's meant to represent someone rating things by dinos, but it appears to be a bunch of dino authors regarding T-Rex heads as more valuable than their own books. No value judgement is intended, but it looks like it is.

>>10452210

That's a poor work ethic. Either complete the fucking thing without an outline, or revise the outline until you're satisfied. Your probably going to want to try the former. Either way, don't sit on your hands and bitch about how you don't have direction. If you have a voice like you claim, write and it'll come.

>>10452164
It's just abject laziness combined with terminal indecision.
At least in my case. It's impossible to start writing a book and not realize there's a much better way to do a few days/hours/minutes in. So you start over again with those new ideas in mind, but then you think of something else and...
You try to build a shack, eventually settle on a mansion, and in reality spend your time living in a pile of misshapen lumber.

Doubt, indecision, and fear of wasted effort prevent any forward progress. Ultimately the problem is a lack of motivation, you don't really have anything forcing you to write, so all that matters is your fickle, fickle whims.

But really, the problem is simple. Writing sucks ass, and it's more unpleasant the better read you are.

Where is a good place to get critique on you /sffg/ shit? Speaking of writing

>>10452216
I read something Ciaphas Cain once and it was pretty much Drizzt tier lit. Good luck.

>>10452303
here

>>10452409
I doubt anyone here is willing to slog 30k + words of my writing

>>10451421
>jay-walking
>an honest lawyer
>kindly old gossip who likes to give cookies to kids
Psst! Hey, anon! I think, okay, I think, that's a joke. Maybe even satire.

>>10452437
post
i've read wheel of time in less than 3 months

Is Cosmic Horror cosmically flawed as a genre?

I mean the foundation of a cosmic horror story is that humans are not special, earth is just a pale blue dot and not even life in the sense that we understand it plays any role in the whims of the gods.

From this, the issue arises that cosmic beings have no reason to interact on the mortal scale. They have no reason to be here, to present themselves to us or to even notice us.

a genre built on top of humanity's irrelevance must make humanity relevant in order to tell a story

>>10452104
Boys don't read. You do the math.

>>10452672
They also have no reason not to be here, to hide from us, or to avoid trampling us in their wake. Which is the point.
"Why do bad things happen to good people?" "No reason"

>>10452730
you're missing the big picture though. They shouldn't be playing any role in our stories other than a force of nature.

The only time they make sense is when they're like zombies: some unalterable constant of danger that influences the real source of conflict, Other Humans

And ultimately at that point it's not a cosmic horror story anymore

>>10452303
Don't you have any friends?

What are the best Conanna books?

>>10452900
No way Piers Anthony had never heard of Jirel of Joiry.

>>10448403
They were burned for their content, but nice attempt at fake news.

Just finished BotNS. Do I read the follow-up, or do I just reread BotNS?

>>10444176

Is the Thrawn trilogy worth reading?

>>10453306
It's good. One of Zahn's better works.

I also recommend his Blackcollars series. It's about ninjas fighting to free humanity from it's alien conquerors. And Flight of the Icarus is a good stand alone novel.

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>>10452104
Maybe if you count the YA stuff then yes.

>>10447653

You know, I totally agree. That's what made the last book a joy.

>>10452222
How many memes you made so far?