/lit/ - Literature

>>10433938
every subject makes this board lose its shit friend

>>10433938
All right faggot I'm gonna try to answer you but you should know this is basically a guess.

Postmodernism can be characterized by its rejection of obvious truths and mores, its fractured story lines told from the point of views of multiple characters, its relative high level of energy, and
philosophical themes post continental and analytical divide. It usually comes in the mid-to-late 20th century.

Here's how I explain it to my friends. We got past the major threats toward the extinction of humanity and WWII, knocked down the major hurdles in science and industry, perfected the two-hour film and the novel, and then looked around and said, "well, what's our excuse for living now?" It's looking back at the aftermath of all that and saying, "Oh, shit guys, we probably shouldn't do that again," and getting really meta on a bunch of shit and using pop culture references all the while.

>>10433954
Yeah but this one along with Marxism have caused the biggest shitstorms I've seen on this board and very little of it seems to come from the subjects themselves but their wildly varied interpretations of it. It isn't the controversy itself that makes me curious but how you guys deal with it.

>>10433938
>Either way this subject makes this board lose its shit and I'd like to know why.
Americlaps and anglos in general are prone to going apeshit everytime they don't understand something. See: the whole body of knowledge known as "analytic philosophy".

>>10433938
>muh progress
>muh enlightened humanity
>muh modernism
>two world wars holocaust hiroshima gulags later
>hmm...
>let us be a little more suspicious of these cultural narratives, perhaps even critical

>>10434150
This.

When I understood it was looking at Dickinson and realising her poems had strong structures and objective meaning, if idiosyncrasies, as a response to romantic era subjective truth within changing structures. Early America was a stable world where everyone played by the rules of the game of capitalism, certainly more than traditional European life. She is really a quintessential modernist.

I then realised that Elliot was more a return to romantic ideas, but in a soulless world. In a world where social structures are dissolving in the pursuit of maintaining capitalism, and with the threat of atomic bombs, you had neither the structure of modernism nor the hopefullness of romanticism.

At least that’s how I understood it. These terms are as ambiguous as the true nature of god, in that you can approach understanding but never reach it.

Where the alt-right view arises is that this new world means an individual must find meaning independent of society, and class consciousness and inclusion in an activist group are both great proxies for belonging. It just happens that Marxist theories(I mean in the sense of social sciences which won’t cite anything before Marx, and whose citation networks inevitably centre on Marx’s work) provide a great excuse to form these bonds. As does belonging to a strong religious movement, which is why the internet has hosted both super fedoras and hyper trad Catholics(at least people who self identify as such) so far this millennium.

>>10434280
The alt right does not exist. Your post is being reviewed.

Judaism.

>>10433979
If they cannot reduce something to a single definition that is workable in a logical framework is more like it. They think words are things in themselves. Aristotle overdose.

>>10434150
>two world wars holocaust hiroshima gulags later
every one of those things is the fault of the german "people" besides
>hiroshima
>bad

>>10434614
No, they were fault of or were responses to jewish actions.

White Noise is a pretty good example of post modernism writing and also a great book in general.

Although a good amount of the humor in it is nuanced and intended for those with a functioning brain.

>>10434622
You might have well just posted the rick and morty copy pasta

Does it really matter?

Enlightenment / modernity was a huge fucking frat house party in which the West partied as hard as it could in the high fumes of FREEDOM and REASON. Around the beginning to middle 20th century, the party started to end, people started going to their houses and the west went to clean the house. What it found was that it's FREEDOM and REASON party completely wrecked their own house, the rest of the campus and the possibility of the university acting as a cohesive harmonious structure for a while, so the West swore off the Enlightenment, but that is only until it finds another party it wants to go, of course.

>>10433938
ok senpai, watch in this order, it'll explain it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoG9zBvvLQ&t=658s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urd0IK0WEWU&t=54s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyzSrtr6oJE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfH8IG7Awk0

>>10434621
Nope! Literally the evil in the Germans let loose.

>>10433938
>someone sperged out so hard over /lit/ having reactionaries, right wingers, evola fans et al that they made that entire autistic incomprehensible image
holy shit lol

>>10435296
Nope! There would have been nothing to "let loose" if jews hadn't been trying to keep them down.

>>10433963
This was probably one of the worst posts this board has ever seen.

>>10435362
Yes there would, everyone has the potential for evil. Even IF they were being oppressed culturally that would not be justification of the evils they committed. If they were so advanced they could have risen up without literally being possessed by the drive to torture. They were disgusting immature filth.

>>10435414
>he still believes in the holocaust

>>10435421
Exact numbers don't matter once you get to that amount of torture, and yeah, it definitely happened.

>>10435362
OH SHIT LOOK OUT HANS SHE'S COMING RIGHT AT US

>>10435414
You are disgusting and every jew the Germans may have killed was killed justly. It was the jews who murdered 60 million Russians prior to WWII and tried to overthrow the German state in similar bolshevik revolutions that led to national socialism in the first place.

>>10435425
The holocaust survival stories are the greatest works of fiction the world has ever seen

>>10435425
You really need to take this stuff to reddit. This isn't the place for jewish lies and propaganda.

>>10435430
Oy vey.

>>10435439
Honestly, what is the evidence it is fake except for some of the accounts of literal trauma victims being somewhat extreme? They were psychologically fucked up.

>>10435443
This is not the place for anything in particular, you lame-ass little treehouse club-loving fuckwit shitdick.

>>10435451
I'm sorry, you're the one making a claim. Where is your proof that it happened?
>besides "psychologically fucked up" people making extraordinary claims

>>10433966
It's because DFW is postmodern and his fans are psychotic memers, and it adds to the furore of the SWTG postmodernist memers already present on the board.

Postmodernism is basically "maybe all the technology ain't so great, and studying the Greeks might make you happier". It's also basically "memes are important pls do not steal my memes i am already stealing my memes"

/pol/ is afraid of it because it thinks that it means SJW/Jewz. They should really hate it because it more often means pedo than either of their things, but they were already busy hating SJWs and Jews when they first heard of it, so they assumed it was like other things they hate.

Postmodernism usually is just a return to the Greeks and a disillusionment with modern progress. This speech from Trainspotting captures it pretty well
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCxgqHqakXc

>>10433938
I was in your position for a long time OP, and am definitely still in it to a large degree, but I've caught a glimpse along the way into postmodernism's nature.
The book that tied a lot of strands together for me was pic related. I recommend it for its completely straightforward while still somewhat decent analysis.
Post-modernism, at its broadest definition, can most aptly be defined as a lack of substance in the current era of some field (whether its art, architecture, philosophy, or political thought, etc), and a resulting looking backward to previous eras for inspiration. The most neutral and least harmful expression of this is in the realm of architecture. Modernist architecture was so ugly and horrific, the succeeding period of Postmodernist architecture (which we are in) candidly realized it had nowhere to go and thus looked to the past to create hodgepodges of older styles, while introducing modern sensibilities.
In philosophy, social thought, etc (i.e., "academic though") the problem is much graver when a generation of thinkers cannot find a foundational base for their ideology that they can actually believe in, and thus the problems start. By refusing to believe in the past seriously, as well as the present, Postmodernist academic thought rejects the possibility of meaning even being possible, and thus embrace chaos and nothingness as the only meanings themselves. That is precisely why most Postmodernist art is so chaotic and ugly, precisely because such qualities are seen as the goal. C.S. Lewis said something of "nothing being strong" without God, in the literal sense of the desire for chaos and nothingness becoming the overriding power in a person without a firm base in some faith.
Now, in such an environment, the human intellect is weak to deeper ideological temptations, and thus you have the rise of Marxism having subtly infected most of upper academia.
That is the best way I can express my general understanding atm, OP. I hope I helped a little.

>>10435460
>DFW is postmodern
lel

>>10435459
I'm not the one making the claim, I am accepting concensus history. It's like you are like saying
>Elvis isn't really dead, if you're saying he is you better have evidence!

>>10433938
Just read some Eco, the rest is trash

>>10435451
Anyone who still believes the 6 million myth is not the curious type. Jews and truth go together like feces and applesauce.

>>10435466
I didn't say DFW spammers were smart enough to know that.

>>10433938
Postmodernism is just vague and pretentious language dressed up to mean something important when it really means nothing at all.

>>10435362
The Jews weren't responsible for WWI and the treaty of Versailles, both the result of collective European fuckery that Germany was significantly involved in. They were also near responsible for anything in the Pacific theater and the Japanese refusing to surrender or the preexisting conflicts between them and the US in the region. Nobody made Germany invade her neighbors and murder millions of people for no reason nor did anyone make the nips greedy subhumans. Shit just happens and there isn't always a giant evil conspiracy behind it.

>>10435467
>I'm literally not smart enough to doubt "history" or come up with a proper analogy: the post

>>10435472

>>10435485
>The Jews weren't responsible for WWI and the treaty of Versailles

Jews were heavily involved, what are you talking about? Judea also declared war on Germany in 1933 and were the primary actors responsible for pushing England and the US into the war.

Holy fuck the /pol/ is strong in this thread

>>10435504
No, Tel Aviv is.

>>10435497
>germans elect a leader who wants to kill all the jews
>jews boycott germany
>MEIN GOTT KILLING 6 MILLION PEOPLE IS JUSTIFIED NOW KAMERADEN
so THIS is the power of german philosophy

>>10435467
>implying the jews didn't kidnap the king of rock to stop him from dispensing his groovy red pills to the masses
You seriously have to go back, 4chan is not a place for dishonesty and jewish bullshit.

>>10435494
>let's cut out your examples
>i have provided more examples for mine
>but i will ignore all other examples of the use of 6 million
>now i have more

>>10435472
>mainstream media outlets don't all agree on poll results or rally attendance
>the election never happened!

>>10433938
reminder: if you believe Jews run the world or that the holocaust was faked you are mentally ill

>>10435508

Please tell me there aren't seriously people this stupid on this board. Can you just go back to r*ddit and stop bringing down the average IQ?
>muh kill all jews nazis wuz ebil

>>10434614
>nuking a fucking city
>not a bad thing
Are you a fucking retard?

>>10435527
I see this happening a lot now. You guys do realize that the whole reddit thing doesn't work when /pol/ is the most reddit board on this site these days.

>>10435540
Just because you came here from shilling on /pol/ doesn't mean you belong here, subhuman filth

>>10435523
This post is jewish projection. Jews have the highest rates of mental illness due to inbreeding. Jews also never belonged in the west and it is no one else's job to protect them.

It's kind of hilarious /pol/ hates jews and postmodernism when the first English language post modern novel has a bit with a jewish fertilizer conspiracy. It's almost like they don't read.

>>10435563
>/pol/ hates jews

It's unfortunate people don't listen and refuse to familiarize themselves with the facts. Have you ever read a jewish religious document, the type jews have been memorizing psychotically for centuries? Nothing as hateful has ever been produced by a non-jew.

>>10435549
mental illness flaring up here

>>10435523
the holocaust happened but it was blown out of proportion by allied forces

>>10435515
Not him, but son, you are a cretin.

Has anyone else got to the point where they honestly don't know what they think of the Jews

I can't tell if I'm crazy or that's just what they want me to believe

To tie it into the OP, I feel a lot like the protagonist of Foucault's Pendulum

>>10435578
Yeah I've read the Bible, but I won't have you insulting Wyndham Lewis's ability to hate. What does this have to do with postmodern novels?

>>10435593
>>10435582
>>10435540
>>10435523
>>10435508
Shouldn't you guys be at temple?

>>10435606
>temple
Are we buddhists this week?

>>10435595
Why do you think they're always slinging mud and calling people mentally ill? It's just the last resort trick that they fall to when they have nothing to actually discredit someone's beliefs.

Do Americans get beat up by Jews a lot? kekekekek. Explains why they're also their bitch, and why they feel so persecuted by them. Seriously LMAO at the image of Americtards regularly getting their pudge tenderized by Jews. Try pulling their beard next time, lardies.

>>10435595
Jews are very bad people, a sick tribe that causes serious problems wherever they go. No white man can be considered crazy for studying why that is, informing other whites about it, and proposing their removal from our societies. No group is responsible for more misery and death than jews; disliking them is not only natural, it is obligatory.

>>10435430
>tfw no qt anne frank gf

>>10435618
Tell me where you live and I'll find you the jews running your society. No one is immune to the jewish problem, you pathetic mongrel.

>>10435618
>why they feel so persecuted by them
IKR? They seem genuinely afraid of Jews. Who gets bullied by a Jew? I mean, really.

>>10435629
>Tell me where you live and I'll find you the jews running your society.
Why would I need or want to meet you or a Jew? Where do you live that you're being bullied by Jews? What kind of halfman are you that you get bullied by Jews individually or through your society? Frankly, it sounds like you deserve what you get.

>>10435630
>>10435642
What non-white shithole do you reside in and why are you currently on a white literature board? Are you lost?

>>10435629
>you pathetic mongrel.
Lads I'm offering 3/2 on this poster is a filthy American trying to pretend he's a real person. Any takers?

>>10435649
I'm Irish. We own the English language and several major languages of literature since you dumb mongrels can't spell.

>>10434280
You mean Eliot? Fag

>>10435439
Whats your argument here exactly? For example someone lied about being a Vietnam veteran so it obviously didnt happen is what you're claiming

>>10435649
>What non-white shithole do you reside in and why are you currently on a white literature board? Are you lost?
>>10435652
>I'm Irish
fukkin tyrannysaurus rekkt

>>10435362
Stop

>>10435652
fun fact: the Irish Culdaen monks taught the illiterate Saxon nobility how to read and write and were the most literate people in northern europe for centuries

>>10435431
Lenin and Stalin weren’t Jewish, brainlet

>>10435657
>people lie about being vets
Vs.
>these actual accepted testimonies at the nuremburg trials

Why the fuck do stupid people feel the need to enter discussions they've obviously done zero research on? The internet was a mistake.

>>10435652
No real surprise there I guess. You need to screw your head on straight craic boy and stop attacking other whites while defending jews, unless you want Dublin to turn into a Muslim hellhole like London and your sisters to get gang raped like the girls in Rotherham.

>>10435663
Lenin was jewish.

>>10435664
The paragraph about research is amusing, the irony is lost on you it seems.

But please do tell how these were used as actual testemonies, because I havent seen them before. Its like when people link the faked stormfront photos that werent used in any publication ever as an example, so pardon my scepticism.

oh fuck /pol/'s bad enough, the irish are just going to tell us their entire oral history of owning literature since the neolithic again now. fuck you /pol/ your jews bullshit might be boring but we didn't need a 10,000 year history of "did you know we invented cowboys? did you know we invented modernism and postmodernism? did you know we invented overuse of litotes and irony and english spells both of those wrong if you know any greek? did you know my brother knows karl marx? you know i know a little latin: amicus amici? did you hear me pronounce the colon stop?"

>>10435497
There were technically jews involved in the negotiations but there was no jewish lead conspiring going. Germany got fucked because they were biggest and strongest existing country on the losing side of the war and were causing problems for British before it, of course they got screwed in the aftermath by the victors. No mass jewish manipulation, just basic politics.
England went to war with Germany because they broke the treaty of Versailles and invaded their allies. America did because Germany's allies were bombing their navy and taking over the Pacific, which they still had interest in.

>>10435608
No, you're a Jedi.

>>10435667
>other whites
We're not white, you retarded monolingual cunt. Read The Commitments by Roddy Doyle, it's probably all your popaddled brain can manage, nobody's ever given a shit about Dublin.

>>10435689
Can't I be the Princess?

>>10435527
>literally lol ur dumb
Not an argument.

>>10435667
>Dublin to turn into a Muslim
m8, Dublin's got better since the Muslims came here. You seem to think Dubs would not charge their drinks to your tab and steal your shoes. I think most people would view that as a social service if it happened to you, to be fair. You sound like a dick.

>>10435683
Very naive perspective. I recommend doing more thorough research before weighing in next time.

>England went to war with Germany because
Their leader, Churchill, sold his soul to jews.

>>10435539
Justice isn't bad, it's good.

>>10435702
>Their leader, Churchill, sold his soul to jews.
Is that why Churchill called Gandhi an evil man, or was that before the Jews did their magical soul possession contract ritual over him?

>>10435699
Utilize some long-term perspective and try to imagine what your nation will look like in 100 years with these trends. You're creating war for your children and grandchildren. Stop being retarded.

>>10434614
Jew detected

>>10435708
>You're creating war for your children and grandchildren
You act like we're adverse to that. It's good, gives the kids something to do so they don't turn out like you. Utilize a book more often, retard.

>>10435539
>ending a war and preventing a land invasion that would have killed several times as many more people by bombing cities with large military presences after warning them in advance
>a bad thing
The Japs were genuinely evil so it would have justified anyway.

>>10435708
>You're creating war
>telling the Irish not to do something it might start a fight
You should tell him be careful of alcohol too, he might listen to that from you.

>>10435708
>in 100 years with these trends. You're creating war for your children and grandchildren
>saying this to MUH 800 YEARS MORE
good luck, never go to ireland.

>>10435702
>very naive perspective
That's a very creative way of saying you have no argument
>the war was all Churchill's fault lol, if it wasn't for him Britain would have rolled over and let their greatest enemy break the treaty of Versailles, remilitarize, and take over Europe

>>10435717
>>10435721
They won't be too effective in a fight as junkies giving what little money they have to mossad heroin traffickers, but I'm sure they'll cope using that bleak sense of humor they inherited from their retarded dad.

>>10435749
>junkies will never crucify you to a pool table
I see you've never been to Dublin.

>>10435767
To be fair, The General was against heroin, he was probably sober when he did it.

>>10433938
/lit/ has a habit of over-complicating its definition. Meanwhile, /pol/ and other conspiracy theorists are just flat out wrong about it being secretly orchestrated by any particular group of people with a particular sociopolitical agenda — whatever version of postmodernism they think they are dealing with, its fairly removed from it at this point.

The Wikipedia summary is actually not that far off. Its in the naming: "postmodernism" is a response to "modernism," which was a movement characterized by the desire to eliminate various Western traditions and establish something new. The desire came up from the increasing complexity of life in the West, thanks to the fruits of the Industrial Revolution, the growth of capitalism, and all sociopolitical reforms and technological advances which came after. However, it was not that people came to lament having to maintain those longstanding traditions of the West in the face of modern social demands: rather, it was the democratization of the West which eventually produced individuals who were somewhat well read, but too INEPT to maintain those traditions, hence they sought to "modernize" them — i.e. dilute them in order to suit their own mediocrity.

Postmodernism, meanwhile, is a response to that — to the mediocre inventions of their modernist parents. Not quite as harebrained but just as inept, the postmodernists were even more skeptical than their modernist parents, having experienced the somewhat ineffective mediocrity they left behind, and focused entirely on tearing down traditions which they felt the modernists did not succeed at doing well enough. This "movement" contains various different individuals, but can be rendered shorthand in this way.

All of it is rooted in Western nihilism, which has been developing at least since the 19th century. Modernism and postmodernism is strongly reactionary. Most "movements" since the 19th century in academia have been.

>>10435667
>warning Ireland off getting raped by an oppressive religious organization
>it's the Muslims
>not the Catholics who made camps for women and children who were too pretty to not cause sin, raped thousands, beat millions more, and kept condoms illegal until the 90s
I'm sure what you're expecting to accomplish. ISIS would probably have a hard time matching it. Rotherham's hardly a threat in comparison to the Irish Catholic Church. They'd probably think it was a day off.

>>10435835
Do you know how to tie a proper noose?

>>10435856
Yeah, their suicide rates are pretty high too. Understandable really.

>>10435539
Nips deserved it.

>>10435622
Sounds like the superior people if they can cause such destruction, and be in such positions of leadership.

>>10435865
You're missing the plot big time allowing your hatred of the semitic religion jews forced on your ancestors and using the arab semites jews are now forcing on your nation as excuses to attack your fellow white countrymen. Obtain some fucking perspective here.

>>10435904
>he hasn't read Ulysses
Obtain a fucking book, there's many famous ones that will tell you how your entire post is wrong at every noun. I suppose you can't help it.

>>10435622
Wherever there's Jews, there's also anti-Semites. Jews do contaminate, and part of their contamination is the development of anti-Semitism, which has never produced anything great in history. Meanwhile, the healthy races migrate on to the next place, to further humanity, free from all of the contamination.

tl;dr you are as bad as corrupt Jews. A little worse, actually, since you're more reactionary than they are.

>>10435904
>jews forced christianity on the irish
lol m8 that bit of medieval scholarship is to to troll people. you don't really believe that ireland is where the tribe of dan went, do you? are you a wiccan or some other hippydippy?

>>10435925
>ireland is where the tribe of dan
HOLY SHIT I forgot about this. Is that the story the Irish monks came up with where the Irish are the only white people on earth because the only white survivor of the flood came there after he'd been in Greece starting civilisation or whatever? Fuck, man, I wish I could remember more of those stories. Finding America first is top notch too.

>>10435923
Your post makes very little sense and indicates you are a low-functioning person with an at best marginal understanding of how even basic things work. Stop using the Internet until you're 18, you're doing no good.

>>10435925
Do you know where Christianity comes from and how it was spread?

Postmodern debate threads (aka /pol/: /lit/ edition) is basically the schizophrenia general.

>>10435938
Show me the inventions, discoveries, and artistic masterpieces of anti-Semites. I'll wait.

>>10435904
>your hatred of the semitic religion jews forced on your ancestors and using the arab semites jews are now forcing on your nation as excuses to attack your fellow white countrymen.
The Irish aren't white, you dumbfuck. We may be violent, oppressive, schizophrenic, talented, religious agnostics, but that doesn't mean the Jews forced us into shit or that we need to hate the Church. Saying they're violent and oppressive and rapey and more so than Muslims doesn't mean we hate them. We're more into judging. You know, Mene Mene Tekel Parsin, as your area of "research" would have it if you had a brain, waster.

>>10435945
A whole lot of it comes from Ireland and that's why things survived past Rome being sacked. We promise we didn't change anything while we had all the books, and Pelagius wasn't right at all. :3 How did you like Halloween? That was one of ours.

>>10435948
schizophrenia and pastiche are considered the mainstays of postmodernism by frederic jameson tho

>>10435953
What? Many of the greatest men going back to ancient times were aware of the jewish problem and made important contributions to our present understanding of this nomadic menace, from Cicero to Ford and many in between. Please, you lack knowledge of the jewish problem and are only wasting people's time here. Study the problem for six months and then provide your input.

>>10435992
>lists nothing at all but responds anyway
Sad. Not even the obvious ones named, like Wagner or Speer.

>>10435992
>Please, you lack knowledge of the jewish problem and are only wasting people's time here. Study the problem for six months and then provide your input.
>Divney argues for further time and moneys to spent towards to recognisance of manure unadulterated by the Jews
Would it be about an American gold watch?

>>10435964
>The Irish aren't white

Then what are they?

>>10435971
Perhaps the issue here is our interpretation of the term "comes from." And I don't how one would arrive at the conclusion that Christianity "comes from" Ireland.

>>10433938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osduuvX3RNQ listen to the rabbi

>>10436008
>Then what are they?
Irish.>>10436008
>Perhaps the issue here is our interpretation of the term "comes from." And I don't how one would arrive at the conclusion that Christianity "comes from" Ireland.
Probably all the missionaries. It did fuck with some anthropologists when they thought they had an uncontacted tribe and their numbers and catechism were all in Irish, but them's the breaks.

>>10436007
>Would it be about an American gold watch?
I'd say he likely enquiring about a bicycle pump, tracking the previous criminalities in the area.

>>10436003
I gave you bookends of almost 2000 years. You need to exercise some restraint and not talk about things you don't understand, it's a bad look unwittingly defending an inbred gang of swindlers that hates you.

>>10435595
You do realize Foucault's Pendulum's character is being prosecuted because people believed in shit he completely made up, right? You haven't read any other of Eco's books, like say, The Prague Cemetery, have you?

>>10436008
>And I don't how one would arrive at the conclusion that Christianity "comes from" Ireland.
i warned you
>>10435680
you didn't listen and now you have to listen to that. something which the irish also probably invented. let us know if you find out in which millennium, eh?

>>10435322
I made the image because the posts are irredeemably shit I’m a “right-winger” you faggot

>>10436037
>let us know if you find out in which millennium, eh?
Since the tána, of course, anon

>>10436019
Well, I don't know about the details of Ireland's case but that's how it spread to the Germanic tribes; I'd guess Ireland wouldn't be much different if you really looked into the details. Christianity was something your people submitted to out of force, threat of force, and then because that was all that was left after the past traditions were lost or incorporated into it. And jews had a major hand in that process.

>>10436032
It's a postmodernism thread, anon. Not all anons are the same person.

>>10435890
>>10435718
>>10435703
Inhuman niggers

>>10436048
But the Germans are only good at philosophy though the Good People of Ireland appreciate they are both very guttural languages, I think you'll find ours the elder and more distinguished. We didn't submit to Christianity out of force, but out of mutual enmity to those who do not understand the passing eternal nature of logos and the eternal passing way of the flesh.
You think a lot of the Jews for them to bother helping us to become great when we were already so. Or maybe you mean to say they tried to help where no work was to be done? I'll send them a thank you card for Christmas any way, just in case they did.

>>10436031
>I gave you bookends of almost 2000 years.
You lazily gave me two names. The case remains that anti-Semitism does not birth healthy values for society; it is a symptom of the decadence that a society is experiencing. What is healthy about becoming a paranoid schizoid like yourself who is not producing anything of worth and pursuing the solution to REAL problems in society like how do we get to Mars and travel in space freely?

>>10436060
>the Good People of Ireland appreciate they are both very guttural languages
nice

>>10436063
"Antisemitism" is not a real word, and what you believe it describes is and has always been a natural response to jewing.

>how do we get to Mars and travel in space freely?

That's what white people do, are alone capable of doing, but will never do again unless we stop these jews from importing low-IQ brown people into our countries and producing propaganda that encourages our kids to make dysfunctional mongrel mud babies with them.

>>10436080
>>how do we get to Mars and travel in space freely?
>That's what white people do,
if only

>>10436080
>producing propaganda that encourages our kids to make dysfunctional mongrel mud babies with them.
I don't think anyone's producing propaganda to tell your offspring or you to reproduce, and if someone is, they ought to be stopped.

>>10436085
You seem committed to denying reality, I'll give you that.

>>10436089
The Irish wogs are still posted up itt?

>>10436080
I'm talking about people who make it their life mission to remove Jews. This has never produced anything of real value to the world. Nothing fueled entirely by political hysteria and hatred (i.e. weakness) ever has.

>"Antisemitism" is not a real word
>producing propaganda that encourages our kids to make dysfunctional mongrel mud babies with them

Damn, man. You /pol/tards really disgust me. You degrade yourselves and adopt the same underhanded tactics as those you claim to be your main opponents, by dancing around arguments, refusing to communicate outside of your terminology, and forcing your propaganda and politically-fueled agenda into everyone else's life. "But the Jews do it too" — then be better than them. If you were better, you wouldn't even hate them; you'd be proud to have people who are so much of a threat to you. Do you not crave a challenge at all? "But they are overwhelming, and give us no choice" — then admit defeat, because you are already at their mercy, and their culture has already overtaken yours; it would be so much more honorable and so less annoying for everyone else who has not had their strength yet deprived by them and has to deal with your petty bullshit in every single thread across various boards if you just altogether dropped your pathetic crusade. Fucking children.

>>10436110
>The Irish wogs are still posted up itt?
The Irish wogs aren't encouraging you to breed or to even keep living, dumbshit.
They are memeing the shit out of you though, it improves the bantz
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FhTvryqPgM

>>10436116

>I'm talking about people who make it their life mission to remove Jews. This has never produced anything of real value to the world

Stopped reading here. The Spanish removed the jews and the muslims they let in in 1492 then (re)discovered the new world and became the most powerful empire the globe has ever seen.

>>10436129
>spain most powerful empire ever
lulz, the dutch did better than you without you

Art trends just defined by calendar. Lame

>>10436118
Sad when someone's vocabulary revolves around internet culture but they can't even use the resource right. I'm also on my phone so not interested in your video.

>>10436129
>The Spanish removed the jews and the muslims
>became the most powerful empire the globe has ever seen
Prove these things have anything to do with one another.

>>10436150
Prove you have an IQ over 95 and I'll consider it.

>>10436144
No, m8, they're talking about works of postmodern and pre-modern literature in front of you with the smug assurance even if someone told you that, you would not get it or be able to respond in kind.

What are you going to do? Read the entire corpus of authors who regularly switch into dead languages at a whim, overnight, so you can find out how they're comparing you to characters in those works, and come back with a witty and apt retort if the thread's still up tomorrow?

>>10435783
>pol: postmodernism is from da jews
>also pol: Sam Hyde is /ourguy/ amirite?

https://youtu.be/js0JutcAJj0

>>10436159
Not an argument. The term "IQ" was also coined by a Jewish psychologist. I have never bothered to take tests that measure for it.

>>10436166
I think you have me confused with someone else. I mop the floor on the JQ and many other topics, postmodern literature being one of them.

>>10436186
Can't say I'm surprised.

>>10435680
>the assmad ugly *nglo
lol get fucked Sassenach

>>10436201
>wanting to be Divney
Okay then.

>>10436223
he's got the lyrics to where's me jumper in there

>>10436208
Can't say I am either. Derailing a request to provide substance to back your "arguments" (which are not arguments until substance is provided, by the way) with some weak non-argument ab absurdo. Typical of /pol/tards, it seems.

>>10436239
You showed on several occasions a lack of basic intelligence and lost my interest with your non-white space exploration gaffe. You are not an intellectual opponent worthy of my time.

>>10436275
Why are you still posting when you still have no additional substance to provide for your lack of an argument? That's not going to keep you from looking like the sham that you currently appear as, not especially when you were also asked earlier in the thread to provide some specifics as to what fruits anti-Semitism has bore in history and instead just named two people. Get to researching, since you obviously don't have the knowledge on-hand to put your money where your mouth is and demonstrate that intellectual pomposity that you show brazenly on this anonymous image board.

>>10436300
You are not a very smart person and this intellectual deficit caused you to embarrass yourself several times. Instead of lashing out, use it as an opportunity to better inform yourself on the matters of which you tried to speak.

>>10436300
Don't fall for the b8 m8

>>10436322
>>10436275
>the /pol/illiterate is so triggered by the irish talking to him he's only posting responses to the guy from /sci/ telling him IQ was invented by a Jew
>calls the /sci/ guy dumb
how is ireland so based?

>>10436353
>how is ireland so based?
Well, we did invent postmodernism...

>>10436353
Sad showing from the Irish today, based status: fail. Cucking for semites and employing weak, dry humor to excuse away your degenerate and drug-addled society is only indicative of the weakness people like myself are talking about. Also, I've never posted on pol.

>>10436415
they mocked the shit out of you, you're too dumb to understand literary references, it's okay someone has to be the butt of jokes and you fit the bill. maybe read one of their many classics and pick up some literary banter.

>>10436415
>if I say so Ireland won't have owned literature for millennia
Oh, bless, he thinks he's magic.

>>10436415
>Cucking for semites
Don't you mean bulling? Haven't you read Ulysses?

>>10436424
This strategy simply isn't going to work out for you, but if you expect anyone to believe it did, you're going to have to at the very least capitalize the first letter of your sentences.

>>10436457
the strategy of knowing who nietzsche, umberto eco, and flann o'brien are, and recognising anon lecturing you on jews, christianity, belief systems, literature; the recurring nature of hell, words, and postmodernism; and i see a bit of the book of daniel, and realizing you don't see any of those mocking references or how truly cruel flann o'brien (and his fans it seems) can be?

it's not a strategy. i just know enough from those works to know they might continuing writing to you to get you to read ulysses in all its forms on pen and paper if they get deeply vested in what they're doing.

don't fuck with the nietzsche or flann o'brien readers, anon. they're too edgy for you and they read a lot more than you. you'd have to read six very allusive books to get smart enough to find out what level of stupid they called you. which is pretty much the definition of postmodernism, and i think the eco and o'brien posters know that. it's pretty breathtaking.

>>10436495
>continuing writing to you to get you to read ulysses in all its forms on pen and paper
I don't think he's posted pics.

>>10436495
I think the guy pointing the guy afraid of Jews to The Third Policeman might have made up the guy afraid of Jews to let this play out. You're right that Flann and his fans are often too good at trolling, and it is almost too neat for it not to be a set up.

>>10436525
i don't trust any of you fucks now

>>10436495
I'm having trouble thinking of a word other than 'pathetic' to describe the way you conduct and express yourself. I can't imagine what a sad life you must lead to be the extra wheel and overtime enforcer of some online clique of Flann O'Brien posters.

>>10436601
>>10436601
>I can't imagine what a sad life you must lead to be the extra wheel and overtime enforcer of some online clique of Flann O'Brien posters.
shut up flann we've worked it out

>>10436607
>we
brian?

>>10436129
>Most powerful empire
Ummm sweetie, that would be the English and now currently the US, two countries that didn't kick out the jews.

>>10436610
fuck you fuck you all

>Its another /pol/ gets triggered by Jewish superiority episode

loving

every

laugh

>>10435673
Lenin had a grandfather who was born Jewish but converted to Catholicism. By that logic, Hitler was probably Jewish too. In fact, Hitler even had to exclude himself from his own definition of Jewishness when he codified it into law.

>>10436624
>logic
Is not something you seem to employ very well.

>>10436644
did he hire you?

>>10435703
>>10435718
>>10435890
>nuking thousands of innocent men, women, and children
>Americans think this is justice
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE

>>10436839
>innocent
Nah, those evil little slant eyed bastards reaped the whirlwind, and that wind was atomic. Lemme guess, you think Nanking didn’t happen?

>>10436839
haha they are not WHITE praise keke brother

>>10436846

>>10436855
haha I am not WHITE praise keke borther

>>10436839
>oh fuck /pol/'s bad enough, the irish are just going to tell us their entire oral history of owning literature since the neolithic again now. fuck you /pol/ your jews bullshit might be boring but we didn't need a 10,000 year history of "did you know we invented cowboys? did you know we invented modernism and postmodernism? did you know we invented overuse of litotes and irony and english spells both of those wrong if you know any greek? did you know my brother knows karl marx? you know i know a little latin: amicus amici? did you hear me pronounce the colon stop?"
>>10436845
>>10436846
>>10436855
>>10436860
>Americans couldn't read as far as
>4chan is an anime website
They're going to nuke themselves by accident one day like in a bad genre novel from the 1950s.

>>10436879
>>4chan is an anime website

>>10436879
Sorry, had some other faggot's post highlighted. Ignore the first one, I'm acquiring stupidity by being ITT.

>>10436883
>can't greentext
>daveposter
Why can't we have one intelligent postmodernism thread?

>>10436889
d-don't bully me it was an accident
Also, the reason we can't have a good postmodernism thread is evident from the getgo, even OP described it. Certain elements, who will go unnamed will not allow it, and I don't really believe this thread was made in earnest.

>>10436897
We also might not be smart men. I remember there being better threads but I could be lying to myself.

>>10436897
It could have been good if the relevant posts got attention.

>>10433938
too many lefties in this board

>>10436906
It was, you're not crazy. Honestly, I only davepost to remind myself of the good old days.

>>10436614
>this kills the /pol/tard

>>10436915
we've been campaigning to have the plebes kill themselves for years, please join them.

>>10436910
yeah i agree, /pol/fags excel at turning literally anything into a retarded debate about the holocaust
there's like no way to stop it

>>10436879
>>oh fuck /pol/'s bad enough, the irish are just going to tell us their entire oral history of owning literature since the neolithic again now. fuck you /pol/ your jews bullshit might be boring but we didn't need a 10,000 year history of "did you know we invented cowboys? did you know we invented modernism and postmodernism? did you know we invented overuse of litotes and irony and english spells both of those wrong if you know any greek? did you know my brother knows karl marx? you know i know a little latin: amicus amici? did you hear me pronounce the colon stop?"
What the fuck are you going on about?

>>10436931
See>>10436885

It's times like these I'm glad nobody listens to holocaust deniers or antisemites
After all if THIS is an example of what kind of discourse they're capable of I'd rather never let them be able to speak again

>>10436927
>turning literally anything into a retarded debate about the holocaust
Do you live in the jungles of Suriname or are you just so dumb that you don't realize that that's what jews have turned western culture into, but in endless guilt-charged lecture form instead of debate? You'd be better off hiding your general cluelessness instead of announcing it here as well.

>>10436955
>you don't realize that that's what jews have turned western culture into, but in endless guilt-charged lecture form instead of debate? Yeah Catholic church didn't have a monopoly on that or anything...

>>10436950
>>10436955
You too. I know you can't think for yourself but don't announce it.

>>10436918
We should give them a different buzzword to latch on to so we can talk about Nabokov and shit like unreliable narrators again. Does anyone really care if we throw New Criticism under the bus? We could easily convince them that's Jews because everything's Jews to them.

>>10436962
>people who think the holocaust was real can't think for themselves
supreme gentleman

>>10436960
Precisely the type of stupidity being addressed. Stop posting about shit you don't understand, read, learn, and start thinking for yourself.

>>10436967
It's not even about it being real or fake per your definitions. Who is telling you you must be a believer or denier? Huh? Who? Your brain, turn it on.

>>10436976
>The holocaust? Why would I believe in such fairy tales? It's clearly a story fabricated by the jews, although it should have happened!

>>10436991
Maybe, but if that's too long a step to take just start by asking questions like why the ideologies and historical events involving semites allow for only two sides, portrays one as evil, and then pumps that notion into your culture through Christianity, communism, liberalism, the holocaust or whatever. No shit you aren't going to believe strangers on the internet telling you jews are bad and develop elaborate lies, but they are and do and there is simple pattern recognition that if you are even reasonably smart should tick the "something's off here" box in your brain to at least allow you to stop thinking like you've been programmed to and mimicking shit over and over.

People keep talking about jews because there's information about them that you don't know yet. Are you going to look into it or are you just going to keep whining about conspiracy theories and calling people these names you've been instructed to sling about and yell "denier!" like you're on some postmodern witch hunt? If you're complaining about people who talk about jews go look into it so you can arm yourself with information and develop better arguments than "go back pol antisemite conspiracy theory denier." It's you who are ruining this board and stifling discussion, you jewish question deniers.

>>10437071
>It's you who are ruining this board

>>10437071
>non holocaust deniers are ruining this board

>>10437071
>people who do not deny mountains of evidence are ruining this board

Umm sweetie, you have to be 18 to post here.

>>10434150
>slavery ends
>industrial revolution happens
>unions get formed, workers are respected more than they ever have been
>look how great progress is!
>suddenly another massive war happens, like has happened every century since the dawn of time
>people get genocided, again
>entire cities wiped off the face of the earth, again
>progressives lose their goddamn minds
>SOCIETY IS BROKEN, THINGS ARE WORSE THAN EVER BEFORE, WE NEED TO TEAR IT ALL DOWN, GOD IS DEAD, GENDER IS FAKE, RACES DON'T EXIST, BUT CLASSES EXIST I GUESS, ALSO WE NEED TO THROW OUT ALL OF PHILOSOPHICAL THOUGHT (except Hegel and Marx, also forget the parts where Hegel says he likes nation states and nuclear families)

so this...is the power of postmodernism

>>10437543
You underestimate the uniqueness and scale of the suffering and horror enabled by technological, philosophical and political developments of our time. Of course, your perspective isn't without merit, but I guess we need a more substantial difference in response that isn't simply reaction to a shift in emphasis. The progress narrative - be careful not to link this too exclusively to contemporary political left, we are almost all Whigs - rightfully took a huge blow and underwent disenchantment and dispelling. Of course, under the reigns of America, the world didn't spend very long explicitly distatesful and nauseous with modernity and progress.

Beside, it's not simply reactionary. Nietzsche had probed these problems and rejected our entire fundamental raison d'etre before the consequential deluge had even happened. Marx himself compared bourgeois civilisation to the feudalism that preceded it and made his predictions for the coming society based on that, so there has always been an awareness of liberal democracy's fragility.

>>10433938
The reason why nobody knows what postmodernism is exactly, is the perfect explanation of what postmodernism is

this thread is a postmodern mess

>>10435523
I've literally had Jewish friends tell me that they run the media and banking. Study the history of Hollywood and the nickelodeons along with banking and Court Jews. Hell, look at how AIPAC and the media controls the Israel Palestine narrative and calls anyone who's pro Palestine anti Semetic(the irony of that term in this context).

>>10437576
Many great thinkers have warned of the suffering enabled by technological advancements, but some have better reasons than others. Postmodernists see technology as somehow changing how humans live, while other thinkers see technology as the means by which charge occurs. Just to give an example of the latter, Spengler wrote a short book called Man and Technics. In it he writes how the technological achievements of today become the interesting but unimportant spectacles of tomorrow; he also notes that technology is the means by which outside groups can overcome the original creators of the technology.

Contrast this with a (valid) postmodern idea about how our world is completely changed by the Internet, and by social media. In a certain sense, postmodernists believe that what it means to be human, if it's even possible to define such a thing, is changed by the technology we use. Someone like Spengler doesn't see human nature changing much anymore, despite technological changes.

All of this is simply to say that what prompted postmodernism was a reaction to all these changes in our world, as though these changes actually substantially altered how humans have been operating for 1000's of years, instead of simply changing the specifics of how we operate. Killing someone with a spear in battle is a little more personal, but not substantially different than killing someone with a gun. Killing someone with a drone is still killing someone on behalf of the government, as men have been doing ever since they organized themselves into political communities/hierarchies. Destroying an entire city by slaughtering everyone in it and burning it to the ground takes longer, and comes at a greater cost to your army, but it isn't substantially different than nuking that city in terms of accomplishing what it set out to do.

You can do this same analysis with political developments. What's the difference between a democracy and a monarchy, realistically? There is obviously a different structure to each, and each has its own faults and strengths in terms of what it's susceptible too and what it's designed to protect against, but at the end of the day both of these are merely governments. Democracies have existed in the past, as have monarchies, as have really all forms of government we see, and each one flows into the other almost naturally. The democracy is inefficient, so a leader rises up and becomes the monarch. The monarch is abusive of his power, so an aristocracy takes his power from him. An aristocracy's power is split continuously until it's simply a democracy of some sort, and on and on and on.

Postmodernism thought something special had happened that changed man. It's a naive point of view.

>>10437700
Looks like behind the two greentexts yours had the better deal of cards.

What's the proper difference between the idea of essentially similar human behaviour altering itself and "human nature" changing in response to these developments? Humans develop agriculture, but also emergently respond to agriculture, its opportunities, drawbacks and other consequences by establishing completely new forms of social life, fundamentally altering the way their many generations of descendants will live.

The discordant element here might again be the emphasis. Do we see modern human behaviour as primarily in continuity with previous human behaviour? Or do we focus on the differences, and their consequences? It is a little like the difficulties in comparing Napoleon and Hitler - moreso for the implications you draw from your conclusion than from the conclusion in itself.

Individuals develop new ways of relating to themselves and to others. Groups develop new self-consciousness. So on and so on. Perhaps nothing utterly and groundshatteringly new, inhuman, but nevertheless profound evolution occurs. Pericles, Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler. In a sense we should not be blind to historical comparisons but we must also not be intoxicated by them.