/lit/ - Literature

no women authors, no women protags, no urban fantasy, no out spoken liberals, no "fighting the nazi's/religious/evil corporations" story tales

Don't talk to me about fighting tyranny, we live in the most tyrannical bureaucratic-police state the world has ever seen, while our government denies that we even exist as a people or a nation, liberals have no issue with this.

Just finished Blindsight. Currently need more grimdark.

Will Rifters sate my lust?

>>10428313
>we live in the most tyrannical bureaucratic-police state the world has ever seen
You're posting from North Korea?

globalism itself is tyranical
we should become tribals again
lets make an organization akin to illuminati but with the objective of causing a communications blackout
we have to end globalism

>>10428313
>>10428369
FBI pls go and stay go

>>10428313

thread off to a good start lads

>>10428296
Manifold Time has some squid that get too smart for their handlers and hijack an experimental rocket

>>10428313
You seem mad and confused. What's your point?

This was finally translated in English and official released in the west. I loved the OVAs back in the day, but the anime series was kind of shit though. I probably won't be picking it up any time soon since I still have a fuck ton of books I still need to get through, but it has a nice looking cover at least. Also the plot is as generic as fantasy can possibly get. Still I have a soft spot for the series and might pick it up eventually.

>>10428296
>>10428423

All that comes to mind is City of Saints and Madmen, it's bretty good but the least good parts are the ones that are too memey and randumb, and most of the squid-parts fit that description. I am fairly picky though and would still recommend it.

I picked up dune. Thoughts on the sequels?

>>10428313
>we live in the most tyrannical bureaucratic-police state the world has ever seen
Okay Mao

>>10428650
even places like the USSR or communist china have more free speech than todays west
Certainly the Nazi's had more freedom in every regard.

>>10428313
>no women authors, no women protags, no urban fantasy, no out spoken liberals, no "fighting the nazi's/religious/evil corporations" story tales
Hi Larry

>Don't talk to me about fighting tyranny, we live in the most tyrannical bureaucratic-police state the world has ever seen, while our government denies that we even exist as a people or a nation, liberals have no issue with this.
>liberals have no issue with this.
Yep liberals are cheering on Trump

>>10428666
>the dumb thing
>the even dumber thing
n-no Satan

Im a few pages into House of Leaves. Anyone read it?

webnovels are novels too

Can we discuss Space Opera and Planetary Romance?
>Golden Age
C.L. Moores Northwest Smith stories
Leigh Brackets solar system stories and Erik John Stark stories
>1960s New Wave
Samuel R. Delanys Babel-17 and Nova
M. John Harrisons The Centauri Device
Frank Herberts Dune
>contemporary
Dan Simmons Hyperion
Alastair Reynolds Revelation Space series
Ian M. Banks Hydrogen Sonata
Gardner Dozois and George R.R. Martin have edited two retro throwback anthologies, Old Mars and Old Venus. And Dozois has also edited a New Space Opera anthology.
The comicbook Sword of Ages

What other works would you recommend?

>>10428704

Shit's insane and intense, the least like a book book I've ever read, I think if I had advice for someone first time reading it, it'd be to not be afraid to skip a bit when you think that'd heighten your experience

Authors have said there are no typos in that book anon. Keep that in mind

>>10428637
The first two are alright. Don't read past that.
If you must read all the Frank Herbert books then under no circumstances read the shit his son has written

>>10428666
Can you please go be 13 years old some place else?

>>10428736
So i can skip that three page foot note?

fucking a!

I just read Lord of the Rings in it entirety and now I'm mad at Peter Jackson for leaving out Tom Bombadil, changing Saruman, making to Eye of Sauron a literal giant red eye and for leaving out the part at the end where the four hobbits return to the Shire and kick ass and take names and Saruman gets his comeuppance.

>>10428759
The scouring of the shire is in the directors cut

>>10428759

don't forget Faramir character assassination

>>10428666
>>10428313
Hi

BotNS

>>10428776
Yep, forgot about that too. Also changing the order of things so that Shelob attacks Frodo in ROtK instead of at the end of the Two Towers and Pippin and the palantir.

>>10428759
>leaving out Tom Bombadil
Can you imagine how ridiculous this would've looked in a movie? Adaptations need to change things in order to fit the demands and take advantage of a different medium. There's no reason to get upset about it.

>>10428313

Why no women protagonists?

But the protagonist of the library at mount char was a woman & I liked that

Could I get some more psychological horror recommendations, please? Is Ligotti a good way to go, or is he just a depressing edgelord? Furthermore, and as a side question, are there any classic literary novels that have horror elements? I vividly remember the nightmare of the horse being beaten to death in Crime and Punishment.

>>10428863
women are for breeding
not adventuring

>>10426479
I'm the original poster, not the guy you replied to but I'll answer your question anyway.

Governments and NGOs do all kinds of fucked up things: organ harvesting, ethnic cleansing, slavery. There's no reason to assume any of this would change in the future. There would be plenty of even more fucked up things for them to do, in fact. Nerve stapling, cloning etc...

My idea wasn't for a military academy ala Ender's Game. Rather a school that would create supremely capable individuals destined for high positions in society. It would be created by a cabal of politicians who believed that the vast bulk of humanity isn't suited to rule and so rulers must be created. Those who excel in military aspects would become officers and fast-tracked for promotions. The academically minded would move towards important scientific organisations or political positions. This is hardly a new idea. If you look back even a few hundred years or so. The British set up schools in their colonies to create a class of local rulers who later went on to rule the independent nations. Public school boys were taught how to manage an empire and shoot a rifle, not how rivers were formed or where Manchester was on a map.

Just bought 3 dune books from a thrift store

>>10428768
Don't lie to him like that, anon, it's rude.

>>10428894
Every time I read reviews for Ligotti, I always see people saying he's a pessimist and his stories are sooooooo bleak duuude, and I have to wonder at whether the stories are actually good or people just like being shocked by abject despair. I find that stuff boring because existential crises aren't a novel concept to me. Any teenager can bemoan the nature of the universe, but a writer should find something significant in their insights. Is he better than that, or just an edgelord for the depressed masses?

>read Dune
>eh its okay
>read Messiah
>what is this shit
Do I stop now?

>>10429071
I read a few of his stories and it just felt something like a more modern Lovecraft (with better prose), if that makes sense. I didn't really get anything out of it. I'm not much of a horror fan, though.

>>10428759

Now you know how I felt when I watched the movies in theaters. Even then I cut it slack for not fucking up anything really bad and doing a solid job.

The Hobbit on the other hand... Literally the first book I read that didn't have pictures in it, the movies were soul-crushing.

>>10428314
It's all incredibly grimdark, first book is almost as good as blindsight, the sequels drop off really hard but Maelstrom is still readable.

>>10428423
Best part of that book. The squid civ rocketing away from Jupiter at the speed of light to escape the vacuum collapse was kino.

>>10428637
Messiah forms a nice epilogue for Dune proper. The rest of the books are for Herbert fanatics only. NEVER read the sequels by his son.

>>10428296

Twenty Thousand Leagues is an all-time favorite of mine. It's one of the main reasons I came to love reading
The Mysterious Island builds on it and makes Captain Nemo an even greater character

>>10428863

1) Men rarely write women well, imo
2) Woman writers are far more tempted to self-insert, and somehow seem to be (in my experience) better at writing men than they are at writing women, or than men are at writing women.
3) Le strong independent woman, and various sub-archetypes (the witty bitchy woman, the thunder-thighs Xena/Leeloo/Black Widow/ad nauseum type, the inescapable Mary Sue, the prickly tsundere girl who only looks out for number one, different combinations thereof; my least favorite is taking a male archetype that is tired and true and just slapping tits on it, as if that somehow makes it unique) is a trope that was done to death thirty years ago but due to socio-political pressures has mostly not been allowed to die or evolve by successive generations of genre fiction writers.

One of the things that I think GRRM unironically does well (unlike the show) is play around with these female character tropes in new ways and with more of an emphasis on realism (Brienne, just like an actual IRL woman, cannot actually be a super badass without also being freakishly huge and ugly, and as a result socially stunted; sometimes beautiful bitchy women are also spoiled, egotistical, and incompetent, re: Circe, etc.). But his attempts are less noteworthy for their stunning success than for the fact they are made at all, since this is so rare.

The biggest/most common problem with female characters as a whole is the instinctive and overwhelming concern of the writer that if they possess any significant flaws, then they wont be properly strong and independent, and this in turn results in an annoying character, at best.

All that said, this >>10428899
is obvious and intentional shitposting; even if he actually believed it, that's not how he (or likely she) would phrase it. This same person pops up all over the board posting almost the exact same thing in three or four stock variants, presumably due to an intense and permanent case of itchy buttrash over the (largely justified) "womameme" meme, combined with an intense and debilitating case of autism, driving xir essentially to larp as a semi-sentient strawman.

>>10429163
>not reading the version with pictures in it

I can't help but wonder if my parents will get me something like HP or GRRM for Christmas since they don't really know anything specific about my tastes.

How do authors of epic fantasy keep track of what the fuck is happening, and create an interesting story?

It seems hard enough with one protagonist.

>>10428807
The first Narnia movie left Santa Claus in and it was amazing.

>>10428296
Did someone say squid?

>>10429163
>Literally the first book I read that didn't have pictures in it
Man there are some very nice illustrated editions of The Hobbit, you missed out.

>>10429296
You could just tell them what books you want. Or ask for amazon gift cards if you're self conscious. That's what I do.

>>10429531
The first Narnia movie was also made for 10 year olds and there's a reason only Prince Caspian got replayed all the time on basic cable.

>>10428759
I had read the lord of the rings in its entirety before the movies came out and I enjoyed them very much. Yeah they didn't do things the same way, but that's pretty much always the case with movies. There's stuff I think the books did better, but the movie really brought some scenes to life. The bridge scene in Moria was incredible in the Fellowship movie. It still holds up even today. There's so many things the movies got right or did exceptionally well, I find it hard to really care that they skipped stuff or changed around plot elements.

I mean, if people really care they'd just read the books.

>>10429670
Which one of these guys has made up more words, do you think?

>>10428423
I just finished that last week.

Someone answer this riddle please. The answer is suppose to be a book.
>this word you shall find in two parts, one in an arena outside,
>where the sound of hooves beat the ground, as throngs watch little men ride,
>not full throttle nor slow, they go at steady speed,
>the second part is what's done when breath stops, and when the body has no more blood to bleed.

I want to read a Star Wars book because The Last Jedi left me disappointed. Is the Thrawn trilogy good?

>>10428313
Post a recommendation chart, I'm genuinely curious what books you like.

>>10426846
>An opinion's worth is measured by how few people share it
A contrarian? How original :-)

>>10429524
Well sanderson has a lore editor but for more i would imagine some combination of mindmaps and spreadshits.

>>10430019
All star wars expanded universe novels are trash
see here >>10428729 instead
I would particularly recommend the two Golden Age examples

>>10429177
>>10429087
>>10428637

>>10429742
Congratulations on your first drawing!

>>10429087
First Dune is good and a must
The second and third are optional
Don't read past that
Don't read the sons trash

>>10428807
But the Tom Bombadil part was the peak of the series.

>>10429721
>I mean, if people really care they'd just read the books.
People are lazy and want to be entertained. Reading is active, not passive, and thus requires some effort.
And we all know that you cannot be kept properly entertained if you make some kind of effort.

>>10429721
> It still holds up even today
I mean the movie came out in 2001, not 1901. It wasn't that long ago.

What web novels are people reading?

>>10430372
Careful Anon, my mememeter indicates that you're reaching dangerous levels.

Fuck it, I found hunters and worms of dune for a few bucks. I'm going to read that shit. Back in the day I remember starting them and Jesus, I can write a better fanfiction.

Also I'm getting hyperion. Is discontinued so I can only chose between two expensive editions. I'm gonna be pissed if I get memed in to a bad book.

>>10430121
>lore editor
Is this an editor in the sense of a person who works for him, or in the sense of a piece of software?

I started reading PKD this year. Can anybody recommend a book that will blow my mind as much as VALIS did?
Here's what I read by Dick this year:
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? - 5/5
Ubik - 4/5
VALIS - 5/5
A Scanner Darkly - 3/5

>>10428729
>repost from last thread

You might as well read the old John Carter stories. I got a collection of the first five (the ones in the public domain) and read it in between other stuff over a year ago. Aside from the invulnerable protagonist, it's actually quite good, and a lot of fun to see the origin of so many tropes.

I've got Hyperion in my backlog, will probably read it in the next month. I enjoyed Dune although it's a lot weirder than the older stuff. I understand some of the hate it gets -- it's good but overrated -- but the shills claiming it's unreadable need to fuck off. I suspect that it was the go-to "literary" SF novel for a few decades until BotNS kicked it off that perch. And BotNS is a superior work, but that doesn't make Dune bad.

On the modern side, I'm going to do my usual shill for Count to a Trillion. It's not for everyone, and even if you like it you will find parts you need to tolerate, but it's worth a shot. The author is highly genre-aware and the story has tremendous scope.

>>10429992
Please answer! What book is the riddle talking about?
If you answer I will read blindsight, ada palmer, and botns of my own free will.

>>10430642
What words can it be? The second one should be death or something like that, the clues for the first one makes me think of circus, Colosseum etc.

>>10430605
Go for A Maze of Death or Three Stigmata my dude

>>10430605
Three Stigmata

So my web novel/ warlock in a magus world rip-off starts off with child rape yet purely to create an edgy survival urge in the mc.

Does this immediately turn you off a series?

>>10430642
My instincts are to say Ben-Hur.

>>10429524
>how do I keep track

Plot maps, extensive character lists and wrote ups, they write the whole story from the ground up.
Amongst other things, if you want to do it you need to use trial and error to find something that suits you.

>>10430767
>>10430792
I'll keep an eye out for those, thanks!

>>10429670
why is he a commie, though? I though England had a caste-system like india.

>>10430804
>Does this immediately turn you off a series?
Yes, to the point where I believe your question to be bait. I would assume it's edgy for the sake of edgy garbage and/or that the author doesn't actually know how to write sympathetically so he has to resort to emotional blackmail by making something bad happen to a child.

>SotS 2017
>still putting off Elantris and Warbreaker sequels
>moving from one YA to another YA nobody asked for
>Mistborn Era 2 won't end till fall 2019
fucking ree

>>10428894
Pls respond, my need is great

>>10430868
It's not really emotional black mail.

The mc merely inherits the childs body, their apparent survival causes renewed efforts to kill them. Thus spuring the mc on to kill her would be murderers first when she would otherwise have no need to do so.

Will 2018 finally bring it to us? Or will the publishers wait till the TV series starts airing to maximize impact?

>>10430968
Umm you can’t write when trump is president sweetie. Overthrow the us government and maybe Rothfuss will write more.

>>10430996
Right, I forgot he said that.

https://youtu.be/dW8efme5eSU?t=7386

>If you want the book to come out faster, help me impeach Trump!

>>10431003
Man, I'm so glad I never pay any attention to authors as people.

>>10431010
Very unReddit of you.

>>10430642
Second part sounds like death, die, dying. Something along those lines. The first part seems like it's intentionally meant to throw you off.
>where the sound of hooves beat the ground, as throngs watch little men ride
>not full throttle nor slow, they go at steady speed
My first instinct was that they were talking about a Merry go round. dosn't explain the beating of hooves, but fits the rest. This gave me Merry/Dying. Meridian. No idea if that's helpful at all, I'll think on it some more.

>>10430968
You know, I kind of liked Name of the wind and found Rothfuss' writing style quite pleasant but my god, the second book is just awful. So much so it killed any interest I had in the series so I don't care what happens to it now.
Who's making the TV series by the way?

>>10431029
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/kingkiller-chronicle-series-showtime-lin-manuel-miranda-john-rogers-1202600152/

Any thoughts on the Farseer trilogy? good? bad?
They're short, so I just might go through them anyway but I'd like to hear some of your opinions.

>>10431032
That's better than WoT being in Sony's hands at least. I am slightly curious what they're gonna base it around. Kvothe's parents? Someone from the academy?
I just don't see what's interesting enough about that world to create an original series. It's not like Rothfuss did some decent world building...

>>10428313
you really need to work on your fake /pol/ posting. you niggers are doing this all over 4chan. at least put in some quality work.

>>10428296
>SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
>>http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php
why is Stephen Baxter not even on this list?

>>10431096
>The most numerous unjust omissions will be relatively recent authors--and "recent" goes back a good number of years

>>10430082
Do you actually believe he reads? LMAO

>>10431020
And very un4chan.

>"Tell me!" Rand yelled, throwing his cup down. "Burn you,Kinslayer! Speak to me!"
>The room fell silent.
>Rand blinked.
>He'd never . . . never tried speaking to Lews Therin out loud where others could hear. And they knew. Semirhage had spoken of the voice that he heard, dismissing Rand as if he were a common madman.
>Rand reached up, running a hand through his hair.Or he tried to ... but he used the arm that was only a stump, and it accomplished nothing.
>Light! he thought.
>I'm losing control. Half the time, I don't know which voice is mine and which is his. This was supposed toget better when I cleansed saidin was supposed to be safe. . . .
OH BOY

>>10429992
I could see the second part being either butchering or embalming as both are done after removing blood; butchery after exsanguination, which I would consider most closely matching
>what's done when breath stops, and when the body has no more blood to bleed.

The first part is trickier.
>not full throttle nor slow, the go at steady speed
This rules out every form of racing I can think of as everyone sprints to the finish line.
Still, there's the Greek hippodromes and the later Roman circuses to consider.
>where the sound of hooves beat the ground, as throngs watch little men ride
This certainly sounds like watching a race. 'Little men' could reference the short stature of jockeys or the experience of watching from high up in the stands.

>>10426889
>Answers for the MAM Book Hunt:

>1. the color purple
>2. war and peace
>3. pride and prejudice
>4. Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
>5. Canterbury Tales
>6. Life of Pi
>7. Dune
>8. Metamorphosis
>9. Treasure Island

Now go away, lazy teen.

What's a good anime-esque fantasy with cute girls and hot blooded ADVENTURE but with an interesting story?

>>10431822
Go fuck yourself

>>10431822
The Ingenious Nobleman Sir Quixote of La Mancha

>>10431822
Try asking in /a/. I'm sure they can recommend you some webnovels.

>>10431822
Keys to the Kingdom has a cute loli tomboy and a hippy girl, it's pretty anime at times but not quite hot blooded.

>>10431024
>>10430804
>>10430694
>>10430642
>>10431577
It's most likely a classic book. I will try what you gave me when i get home.

>>10432372
Read >>10431650 and not just (You)s. Also never return.

>>10432396
>Also never return
b-but I was here from the beginning
>teen
shriek is not pleased donkey, don't be a smart ass. I'm as dinosaur as you.

>>10432164
>has a cute loli tomboy
I want a cute shota tomgirl, if you have any.

>>10432410
Then you've got no excuse for not googling the question, which had this very board as the answer.

Good Lord, man. I'll forgive you this once.

>>10432418
I did google (part of the question). Nothing came up.
I knew it was Canter though.
>one in an arena outside,
>where the sound of hooves beat the ground, as throngs watch little men ride,
>not full throttle nor slow, they go at steady speed,
Why I didn't try that is beyond me

Recommend me some good right wing fantasy / science fiction books. Most of the stuff that gets talked about is shit from Tor Books and they publish a bunch of feminists or faggot authors pushing a liberal agenda.

>>10428335
nigga come to the uk

>>10432463
Starship Troopers
Memory of Earth - Orson Scott Card

Come get it while it's fresh.

We actually should make a recommendation chart for anime-esque books, just for the fun of it

Who wants to open their image editor?

>>10432504
> Mil fant

Military Fantasy Isn't For You If...
1 Chronicles of the Black Company. By Glen Cook. ...
2 The First Law. By Joe Abercrombie. ...
3 Mazalan Book of the Fallen. By Steven Erikson. ...
4 The Ascendants of Estorea. By James Barclay. ...
5 Shadow Ops. By Myke Cole. ...
6 Deed of Paksenarrion. By Elizabeth Moon. ...
7 The Company. ...
8 Codex Alera.
More items...
Military Fantasy | Best Fantasy Books
bestfantasybooks.com/military-fantasy.html

>>10432541
What's the list of recommendations? The only shit I've seen posted here is just porn memes.

>>10432661
Let's make the list, right here and right now

What are some books that can be considered anime-esque? Any that have anime cliches and tropes?

>>10429992
>>this word you shall find in two parts, one in an arena outside,
>>where the sound of hooves beat the ground, as throngs watch little men ride,
>>not full throttle nor slow, they go at steady speed,
>>the second part is what's done when breath stops, and when the body has no more blood to bleed.
Canter
Bury

Has anyone here read any of The Night Land stuff?

Is the Three Body Problem good?

>>10432715
It was interesting but genuinely felt like it went nowhere.

>>10432672
I hear there's a genre for that, it's called manga.

what does /sffg/ think of stories that handle breaks from reality with intricately thought-out fake science?

I'm trying to do something like that and I wonder if I'm going too far to satisfy my own autism

Long story short, In order to justify psychic powers I kind of came up with fictional particles that are attracted to living things and amplify their brain waves that don't require a setting where humans or life are special to the universe. (The same laws would theoretically cause these particles to be more attracted to refrigerators than to people)

Technically, it's still bullshit since it should only really allow for telepathy-based powers but at some point I have to say "eh, good enough"

>>10432734
The trilogy is sensational. Sadly Three Body is probably the weakest of the three (and worst translates) but even alone it’s a great read. It thoroughly feels like nothing I’ve read before, it’s just so bizarre and hard to describe.
Power through it and you’re awarded with more insanity in The Dark Forest which is one of my favourite sci-fi books yet.

>>10432467
I hate to pull rank but I live in Lewisham and I’m a perfectly normal human being. You’re just a cunt mate, sorry.

>>10433004
Pseduo-Hard-sci-fi is hard to to sell because it ends up being very boring blocks of text, whereas the dull passages in hard sci-fi novels can be pleasantly scimmed by readers as they’re usually scientifically trained and thus able to a) understand it easily and b) get a sense of superioty
But then fantasy cucks love a good convoluted magic system so who knows. Just depends how well you write it.

>>10433004
I dunno, what do you think of midichlorians?

Is there a book that has a mage do a dab?

>>10433045
I don't think they were necessary but I also think most people who get angry about it are literal retards with no grasp of highschool biology

>>10432672
Just read anything by Sanderson. His Stormlight Archive series seems like exactly what you're looking for. That series is anime as fuck. A little too anime sometimes.

>>10433112
I don't understand what biology has to do with the issue.

>>10433150
midichlorians are literally just magic mitochondria

>>10433160
Aren't midichlorians just force-skin mites? I.e. they're just attracted to force users and you can tell the relative force potential of a person by how densly they infest him.

>>10433212
They're found in living cells and give the host power. Their names are a combination of Mitchondria which power the cells of all multicellular life and Chloroplast, which is a part of plant cells that does a similar thing but is powered by light instead of sugar

It's kind of obvious and yet people still didn't get it

>>10433238
Where was it ever said they gave people force powers?
I've watched that scene a few times, all he says is that they use them as a measuring device to determine force potential in recruits.

If tarmon gaidon exists for the wheel to have a chance to stop the dark stone from destroying it, doest it mean the wheel will someday be destroyed?
i mean it only takes one win for the wheel to be no more, if the dark one wins just one time its all over

>>10433261
I think Liam Neeson in episode 1 explains that they are what give a Jedi his powers, but maybe it's been retconned that he was just misspeaking.

>>10433292
I just watched the scene again and he says that they inhabit the cells of all living things and speak to Jedi about the will of the force and without them life could not exist.

Sounds like they do give you the abilities but you have to be special to actually hear them and utilise your abilities.

>>10433160
Yeah, I know what they are. This issue is whether or not they were a good idea to add to the story.

>>10433306
Force mitochondria it is then. They're a bridge between the force and organic creatures, but remember that #1 they are not the force itself, and #2 Jedi of sufficient mastery of the force can use it themselves, WITHOUT the midoclorians
That's what force ghosts are, and that's why only highly attuned masters can do it, you have to be able to use the force without any outside help.

Or in other words, midochlorians are ambient Jedi master ghosts that inhabit people and train them to use the force.

>>10432463
Galaxy's Edge for right-wing sci-fi.
Arts of Dark and Light for right-wing fantasy.
And pretty much anything from Larry Correia.

>hehe, time to waste a year writing shitty YA books instead of anything anyone cares about!

Tell me about cool tech in Star Wars.

>>10433351
I'd write all the shitty YA I have to if it means having the money to snort cocaine off an underage ass.

>>10428314
Read Bakker's Neuropath

>>10428894
Neuropath

>>10433351
Cant fault the guy for taking a short break from his major works, if it gets him in a better mindset afterwards. The guy is no G.R.R Martin, or Rothfuss. you know he'll deliver on time. Even though waiting 3 years is going to suck.

Who else instinctually dabs whenever the protag pulls of a successful scheme?

>>10428296
Hi /sffg/, outer /lit/ here. I'm currently stuck in bed and I want to read some fantasy shlock in order to forget my plights. How good is Elric of Melniboné?

>>10432463
why don't you read some non-American fantasy/sci-fi instead, unless you're one those idiots who thinks that all fiction falls somewhere on the conservative to liberal scale of American politics.

or, alternatively, learn to enjoy fiction without seeing the liberal boogeyman everywhere.

>>10433783
What the fuck is a dab?

>>10430164
Have you seen other movies released around that time? They do not look great.

>>10433928
nigger gesture symbolizing success.

I feel like this question would be better in here rather than have a whole thread dedicated to it.
https://youtu.be/lmmNuic_4tQ
How do you guys handle writing adventure/fantasy-scifu stories with multiple protagonists acting in a group? Do you try and make sure to avoid certain archetypes that come with this sort of mechanic? If ypu have a favorite, how do you make sure that each character gets as much polish, detail, and attention as the rest of the cast? What's the minimum and maximum amount of people you would allow to play this off well?

>>10433956
please take your shitty e-celeb videos and tvtropes garbage elsewhere

>>10433937
>n-word gesture

Are you kidding me right now?

>>10433783
Not me because I'm white.

>>10433815
Elric of melnibourne is pretty good, it's a lot shorter than what you're probably expecting though.

My top 10 modern sffg writers:
1. Greg Egan
2. Ian Mcdonald
3. Neal Stephenson
4. Seth Dickinson
5. Joe Abercrombie
6. Dan Simmons
7. Scott Lynch
8. ...
9. ...
10. ...

>>10433967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykcz1GiaExA

>>10433967
you really are in the wrong place if you get triggerd by nigger.

>>10433238
Technically the main product of photosynthesis IS sugar, which the plant then respites separately with its mitochondria.

>>10434021
Define modern.

>>10433039
Hard sci-fi autists need to neck themselves.

King's Dark Tower series worth reading? Im new to fantasy and it sounds like my type of series.

>>10434155
not the guy you were responding to but id class modern as anything that has been written after 1990.

>>10434323
yes. read the original. i heard theres an edited "new edition" that suppsoedly lines up with the horrible movie. havent read that though.
dark tower is great and pretty much a must read in the genre. i heard the audiobooks are fantastic but i havent listened to them.

>>10433956
Read the two books under military fantasy here >>10432504

>>10434328
I'm pretty sure the word you're looking for is contemporary, not modern.

>>10434344
maybe but contemporary refers mostly to things that are related to same period of time. what i had is in mind is a mindset in writing rather than the settings of books.
its hard to explain but there is a huge difference in writing between what was done before the ninties and what has been done afterwards.
its not really a worse or better type of deal. it just feels like writing changed in a certain way.
i guess thats what i meant.

>>10434155
>>10434021
My definition of modern fantasy is any book that can be read by this generation without feeling dated.

>>10434323
Is pretty good. Don't listen to contrarians, is a good saga easy to read. Maybe the last book is anticlimactic and I can understand people disliking the "conclusion" but I don't regret reading it.

>>10434341
You do know that >>10432504 is a troll right? Those two books specifically are just porn, not /lit/

>>10434390
two generals ago turned into /v/discussinporn.jpeg.
people had a civil discussion about wild wastes.
it was actually kind of surreal.

Is there something unique about this books or are they just another generic fantasy like any other?

>>10434430
It has one of the worst females I’ve ever had to read. Does that count?

>>10434469
in what way bad ? Bad characterisation or the ridicilous Mary Sue that is so common these days

>>10434491
Bad in that other people always pay for her mistakes but she never does. So she gets away with being an arrogant bitch for all three books

>>10434493
but an unlikeable character is not necesserily a bad characterised one

>>10432504
I actually unironically enjoyed Wild Wastes. Why don't more fantasy series have orc waifus?

>>10434562
i think theres this novel series about some urban fantasy cop who works with a female orc partner.
im not sure about the name though and ive never actually read it so i dont know if there any romance between them. im pretty sure youll find it if you search for urban fantasy novels. i remember synopsis saying something about a goblin mobster not sure about that though.

>tfw you ask your friends with benefits to cover her safe hand during sex.

>>10434533
She’s characterized like she’s a growing to be a great, practical leader. She even has a scene at the start of the third book raging against bureaucracy but comes off like a spoiled kid throwing a tantrum so she can get her way. So of course it works flawlessly.

People forgive her for things they shouldn’t forgive. just fuck Adare and the horse she rode in on.

Picked this up yesterday, anyone read it?

>>10434603
It is interesting a really good idea
Dont read anything about it if you read a spoiler it really will spoil it
It was a few years ago when I read it probably will seem a bit stylistically dated

>>10434603
It ends up not making any sense, and it has completely one dimensional characters. But it's a kind of interesting concept.

>>10434493
>>10434430
>>10434587
Sounds like she's the author's pet waifu.

Who's a good female character, /SfFg/?

>>10434964
Sabriel, Lirael. Every female in the book Monstrous Regiment.

>>10434964
Felisin

>>10434964
Esmenet

if the dar kone will destroy the wheel itself
doesnt that mean that the forsaken will be destroyed if he wins as well?

>>10435000
yes

>>10435005
then the forsaken are dumb as fuck
why help the guy who will destroy you?

>>10435007
idk brah I didn't write it

>>10434964
All of Watt's ladies

>>10434328
>>10434021
Alright well I'm no expert on the 90s but post-2000 I would argue Watts is on the modern list.
Also Ada Palmer

>>10434430
FUCK ADARE

I want some sci fi operators operating, not a grand clash of a thousand starships but something that focuses on the people and soldiers struggling to survive in a harsh worId. One man or a battalion, a spy, bounter hunter or mercenary. I want space /k/, but not edgy for pure edgeness sake. Interplanetary, in space, near future, I don't mind, even science fantasy is cool, I just want cool shit with preferably a female mc I can insert myself into but idc as long as the story is good honestly

Does it exist, /lit/?

unironically Star Wars seems like the perfect world for something like this but as far as I am aware in terms of novels there's only really Twilight Company worth reading for war stuff anyway, and perhaps the nucannon Thrawn novel or Rogue One novelization

>>10435067
Aside of Adare is it any good?

Gimme your best fantasy / sci-fi / horror of the year, must be published in 2017. Seriously, I need something to read.

>>10428457
The games are relatively good if you have the time.

>>10435073
Maybe Wasp by Eric Frank Russell? One man against a whole planet

>>10435000
Destroy the Wheel, not blow whole creation into smithereens. He's trying to reshape the Pattern into his own image. Every Forsaken expects a position of power in the post-Wheel world, while Ishamael just wants to get off the fucking ride already.

Something like that

>>10434390
>You do know that >>10432504(You) is a troll right?
There are porn parts, yes. But Daniel Black is about using magic to make military grade weapons, and vehicles. It's great to see magic used to imitate modern weapons.

>not /lit/
This is /sffg/, we dicuss fantasy and scifi here. Not "/lit/".
Do you even read? I bet you are one of those persons who read a few pages, then pretend as if they completed a book and know what they are talking about. Fuck off.

>>10435106
but isnt the reality itself the wheel?
if you destroy the wheel you destroy the threads of the pattern no? since its the wheel who weaves them
The forsaken are also part of the wheel therefore wouldnt they be destroyed as well?

>>10431003
What's sad about this is that he's still going to make millions when he finally shits another lit turd. Some things thrive on lack of quality, they hit the right note in the populace.

>>10435073
Bv Larson Undying Mercenaries
Neal Asher Shadow of the Scorpion

>>10435085
w-was... that dog getting some pussy when he was caught red handed?
What does those runes say squat bro.

Help, I need a link for Jonathan Maberry's latest Joe Ledger novel, Dogs of War. Anyone got it? It's schlocky biopunk romp that I've grown accustomed to reading.

>>10435094
not really the best arguably but i enjoyed super sales on super heroes(audiobook is fantastic) this year immensely.
also while technically released in 2015 this year saw the release of the bathrobe knight as audiobook which i really really enjoyed.
2017 has been kinda lame though theres that new sanderson book that i havent read yet since i didnt read the previous ones. and from what i can tell there hasnt been good scifi released this year at all. i dont read horror novels so i couldnt tell you anything about that anon, sorry.

>>10432672
Latest Eisenhorn (Bequin) novel, unfortunately. Oh and that fantasy series from the Takeshi Kovacs guy, where protag fucks a ghost elf.

>>10435136
Do not throw us out pls...
We just turned our life in the right direction. My wife found a job. We will pay our debts just give us another week...

>>10434354
Nothing wrong about feeling 'dated'. Modern American fantasy reads like a script to a sitcom.

>>10435116
I guess the breaking the Wheel would be more like hitting the break on the force driving the passage of ages. In fact, I'm pretty sure that it's mentioned that the Dark One desires a completely static world

>>10428759
Jackson's LOTR movies are rife with nonsensical decisions and hacky stuff overall but leaving out some characters and morphing Glorfindel into Legolas etc are logical adaptation-related stuff.

Is there a good genre fiction torrent uploader on Gulf of Corsairs? libgen often does not have the latest stuff.

>>10428759
>You will never watch David Lynch's The Fellowship of the Ring where Tom Bombadil garmonbozias for 2 and a half hours and Balrog fight leaves permanent mental trauma to those who managed not to leave the theatre

Any good writers similar to Crichton?

>>10434964
Shallan

>>10435073
The Pride of Chanur. Space truckers space trucking, when they can. Bonus, female MC :3

>>10434964
Jane Sagan

>>10435213
Carlton Mellick III

>>10435175
>libgen often does not have the latest stuff.
But a BitTorrent tracker is?

Thanks to whoever posted this as a recommendation in one of these threads, I really loved it.
Anything other by Pohl worth reading, Heechee series or otherwise?

why did they pay huge royalties to people who made discoveries but nothing to those who made a new trip but came up empty,
instead of a more equal arrangement?
why didn't they use AI? surely if they have a talking psychiatrist robot they can at the very least have one that will send the ship there and back and check how long the journey takes

Why are zombies so much weaker than the other classic movie monsters?

>vampires have super strength and speed, a healing factor, hypnosis and shapeshifting
>werewolves have strength, invulnerability to anything but silver and natural weapons
>ghosts are intangible, invisible and have telekinesis
>skeletons are sturdy, semi-permeable and can reassemble themselves

meanwhile

>zombies are slow, and brainless

I think if we want to fix this, zombies need new powers. Maybe they become ghouls by eating brains and gain the ability to steal their prey's bodies and memories, as well as any supernatural abilities, or something like that

>>10435978
Traditional zombies are only a threat in a scenario where they greatly outnumber humans, and can spread whatever disease/virus makes them zombies to regular humans. But yeah, out of all the classic monsters they are the easiest to deal with.

Anyone here ever read any of The Southern Reach trilogy?

>>10431033
I recently finished the first book and it was quite enjoyable. In some ways it remind me of the Kingkiller Chronicle, there are many similar plot points. And it really makes me feel good, since Hobb is effortlessly pulling of some of the stuff that Rothfuss is trying way to hard to do.

>>10436051
Well written and atmospheric as fuck. You really get a feeling about how creepy Area X is.

The pacing is slow but works in the first book. However the last two books suffer even more from it and a lack of content. They really should have been combined into a single book.

>>10435007
Literally read the books you brainlet, it's all in there. Mordin, for example, just want to permanently kill himself.

>>10435007
They want to die

>>10436068
>They really should have been combined into a single book.
I agree with this. I'm just coming to the end of the first book and it really feels lacking. I enjoy the world it's created, but man it's incredibly light on the ground.

>>10436135
I meant it should have been a duology, not a trilogy.

> I enjoy the world it's created, but man it's incredibly light on the ground.
There's even less "content" in the last two combined than the first one. It's all just creepy tone and people being confused & confusing.

>>10431033
farseer+tawny man trilogies are some of my favorite fantasy books ever
don't bother with the rest

>>10431033
Great series, should be on the must read list for anyone interested in quality fantasy. I don't think a fantasy author has ever nailed the feeling of melancholia as well.

>>10435085

I saw this book constantly mentioned (Gardens of the Moon (Malazan Book of the Fallen #1) by Steven Erikson)

does it improve or is it just long beginning? because currently it is jumping around whit new characters in loosely connected locations

>>10436380
his books are shit
generic edgy fantasy "epics"
epic meaning way too many fucking characters

>>10429250
This is a really good post and you niggas should be ashamed of yourselves for ignoring it.

>>10432715
Really loved it. It takes a lot of reader investment but it pays off, there really is no literary experience like it. JCW's Awake in the Night Land is a pretty good imitation, and I know Tom Stoddard did a paraphrase of it but I haven't read that.

Have you read House on the Borderlands? It's even more flawed but it has some mind-blowing parts.

>>10433026
bin that butterknife achmed

>>10434871
>and it has completely one dimensional characters
That was the point, the story's asymptotal. Not defending Priest here, he should have just wrote a good story without trying for a trick shot.

>>10432504
>those 2 under fantasy
I did not expect catgirls in those novels desu sempai

>>10435793
I've liked everything by Poul that I've read. My very favorite was The Broken Sword, hardcore pre-Tolkien fantasy, then probably either Fire Time (more focused) or Orion Shall Rise (more epic).

>>10435978
Zombies' thing is there being tons of them. Anyway they need to be combined arms with other undead again. Low-level mobs chilling with skeletons, ghosts and wraiths as officers, liches in command.

How can I achieve *full anime*?

Does Sanderson hold the key?

>>10436596
Light novels, my friend.

>>10436596
Never go full anime anon, 99% of ln is garbo

>>10435094
Luna: Wolf Moon was the best sci-fi of the year for me, though it is a sequel (with no further sequels probably).
For fantasy I enjoyed Oathbringer very much, but I also liked the Unholy Consult. Both of these require a couple thousand pages of previous reading though.

>>10436380
It is very long form so patience is required. It will continue to jump between that cast of characters, but the connections will become more apparent. I've read two books so far, they seem to pick up about half-way.

>>10436609
That's text book webnovel.

>>10436546
*ear prick*

>>10430534
He just has an editor in general. I can't find the reference but I remember reading him say that they have an "internal continuity wiki" that lists everything that is actually happening and they check every event against it

>>10436639
> (with no further sequels probably)
It's a trilogy.

>>10436596
Say the Ideals.

>>10437036
Similarly IIRC GRRM basically hired a guy who runs a big GoT wiki to keep track of stuff for him.

>>10436596
build up then release
In Sanderson`s books there are few minor releases but one big one that builds on and on

Anyone read Cloud Atlas? Is it any good? The premise seems interesting.

>>10437357
Fuck, even the geography is anime

>>10436778
The catgirls happens in book 2 for both books.
They are fun books, if you can ignore all the smut.

>>10435793
I think the royalties only paid to made wild discoveries was to motivate people to take on tougher or more unknown missions
And Siegfried is like this massive machine who Rob just visits, don’t think at this point the worlds tech they could have an AI small enough.

I personally feel Pohls a bit of a one-hit wonder with gateway, but the other anon who replied to you seems sensible.

>>10435094
Too Like the Lightning really blew me away, then the sequel blew me even harder away
fuck you MUM not letting me start Will to Battle until I open it on xmas day

>>10436056
>>10436310
>>10436333
Much obliged. Seems like I'll have to pick it up soon.

>>10432463
Liberals are right wingers, inbred.

>>10437805
Except in USA, where the anon you're replying to is obviously from.

>>10437805
>yuropeon education

>>10437805
>>10437832
For now, the right is taking liberalism back.

>>10437635
Cloud Atlas
>Story 1
Similar flavour to Conrad's Heart of Darkness with less horror and I liked both
>Story 2
This is like the cut up technique applied to a letter, but not as nice or as organic as Burroughs stuff (it's quite stilted).

I'll report back.

>>10437635
*
Seems to be more alt hist than scifi, insofar.

>>10432463
book one of a learning experience.
>bunch of /k/omandos get obducted by ayyliums and instead take over their ship
>guys we have a ship lets build a country of our own in space
>oh also theres other ayys we can befriend or fight against
>but lets focus on making a country in space thats /k/ as fuck first though

>>10437832
Except in USA, what? They claim to be left wingers, but of course they're not. Celebrating for Wonder Woman doing well doesn't mean anything.

Can anyone tell me if any of these books are good? https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/98372.Magical_Engineering
Daniel black was the first series I read where they duplicated modern weapons with magic. And I want more. Any suggestions?

>>10437995
spellmonger is decent. also ALICE if you are into scifi the basic premise is earth was nuked by aliens and now everyone is basically at the technological level of the wild west. then mc starts to introduce modern technology to them and it escalates into a space opera from there on. along with a bunch of AIs that gain sentience.

>>10438094
Thanks, but I want magical imitation, not rediscover/invention.

>>10435138
https://filescdn.com/p3zqpk5ngs5f

>>10438206
Thank you based anon.

Is there a recommended reading chart for Greg Egen?

Discord acquaintance recommended his works. But I dunno how well I can focus on his writing in an audiobook format.

>>10436051
The film looks .... interesting.

>>10434964
>all the Dune women except Hwi Noree
>Dorcas, Agia
>naomi nagata
>molly(neuromancer)
>avasarala

Etc.

i think i found picture describing Shallan in oathbringer

>>10434964
Severian

>>10433902
>all fiction falls somewhere on the conservative to liberal scale
EVERYTHING does. Especially fiction.

>>10437995
>>10438126
Any help here?

>>10434964
the library at mount char mc

>>10428901
You essentially thought of the government in Starship Troopers (the movie has nothing to do with the book). I highly recommend reading it.

>>10429250
>xir
we use masculine and feminine pronouns on this board sweetie, im sorry your doctor and parents told you that you were special and could LARP as a woman.
>GRRM
is garbage
>woman are better at writing male characters than they are female
no

Just started reading this.

Only three chapters in but seems ok so far.

>>10438415
While I appreciate her overall arc, she started to get a bit grating halfway through Oathbringer. Luckily that's when she mostly started to manage it, and thank god best boy Adolin pulled her out of it.

>>10438436
Kek

>>10437710
IIRC, Roshar is based off of a Julia set. That continent at least.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_set

I know you people hate recommendations, but I'm going away for a long time for travel and I'm gathering which audiobooks to bring.

So far I have:

>Neverwhere
>The Wind Up Girl
>Imajica
>Good Omens
>Anansi Boys
>The Lies of Locke Lamora
>Malazan Book of the Fallen Series
>Prince of Nothing
>The Aspect-Emporer
>Hyperion
>Ancillary Justice
>The Foundation Series
>The Quantum Thief Series
>Warbringer
>Elantris

Have read:

>Mistborn series
>Stormlight Archive 1-3
>Ender's Saga
>Kingkiller Chronicles
>Shadow Series (I dropped Shadows of the Hegemon because why the fuck is everyone so fucking stupid around Achilles?)
>Sufficiently Advanced Magic
>His Dark Materials + Book of Dust #1
>American Gods

Anything you peeps would add?

>>10438935
Looks like you'd enjoy the 1st law trilogy. Maybe add some sword & sorcery into the mix, like Janny Wurts or some Conan. Blood Song is good, too (I've heard mixed opinions about its sequels, mostly negative though) and The Library at Mount Char which someone mentioned earlier in this thread was a great read. Get the Hobbit as well, I noticed that it's missing.

>>10438935
Wheel of Time I suppose

>you will never fart onto a womans safe hand.

>>10438935

>>10438956
Thanks, although I'll probably pass on anything Tolkien. I found the first trilogy book so dry. Yeah, go ahead and shoot me.

>>10438960
Thanks.

>>10438935
you might like this one, and i fully recommend whole series
We Are Legion (We Are Bob) (Bobiverse #1)
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32109569-we-are-legion-we-are-bob

this one is bad yet i was stuck listening to it
Into The Abyss (Demons of Astlan #1)
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21846804-into-the-abyss

this is good book
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16690.The_Moon_is_a_Harsh_Mistress

this one is also good
The Mote in God's Eye (Moties #1) by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/100365.The_Mote_in_God_s_Eye

>>10439074
Bobiverse sounds right up my alley, thanks man.

>>10439071
No problem. I'd still try the Hobbit, though: maximum comfy. Have fun

IF you’ve not read Blindsight you’re a cunt

I had sex with 3 separete women this week and Peter Watts is my favourite author

Why aren’t YOU getting your action? Read More Watts and MAYBE, just MAYBE you can get on my level

>separated parents and a partner to spend christmas with resulting in opening presents on 3 separate occasions
>today was the first
>got Latro in the Mist, Utrh of the New Sun, To Like the Lightning and Ladies of Grace Adieu
Two more to go and I can only get so erect.

I read the first story in Ladies and loved it. Will probably tackle Latro once I'm done with the short stories, unless I receive something more interesting tomorrow.

>>10435073
Forever War

>>10429192
same
i think verne is the best thing to give kids to read

Maybe this is the wrong thread to ask. But I'm kinda looking for any good books set in a fictional universe that have a 19th century setting.

Hopefully more "steampunk" than fantasy. Although not too retarded steampunk. Basically I'm asking for Jules Verne in a fictional universe.

>>10429192
Michael Strogoff is another of my favorites from Verne.

I do not care about any of the bridge 4 characters that aren't Kaladin

Shallan (and Adolin when their story intertwines) is the most interesting and deep character by a country mile

>>10439071
>I'm too good to look at a chart
Fuck off and neck yourself

i was thinking
why can the dragon feel when woman channel?
he is an unique case right?

New Thread
>>10439890
>>10439890
>>10439890

>>10430534
In the preface to Oathbringer he talked about a surprising shitton of people that helped him with the book, and one of them was a lore editor, aside from all other editors.