/lit/ - Literature

>>10427113

>tfw have to throw his books in the trash now beause he's a filthy SJW

at least I didn't actually waste my time reading them.

>>10427113
>He was conscious of his privilege as a white, male author, and used this privilege in order to tell a story buried by white history

tfw u discover pynchon is /leftypol/

is this news to anyone here that he talked lots about the Herreros?

also, if we're going down that road, look into the early parts of Mason and Dixon when they're in Cape Town and Pynchon describes the depraved and inhuman system of living with which the Dutch created their colonies.

He literally talks about the sexual serfdom that the Dutch employed and how it really bit them in the ass because they were all destitute

>>10427149
Took you long enough.

>>10427167
>is this news to anyone here that he talked lots about the Herreros?

No one here's actually read his books.

>>10427113
>black polo necked students

Hmmm. I always picture stoner/surfer types when I hear him mentioned. But then IV is the only one I’ve read.

>>10427113
>WASP sociopaths on /lit/ see documentation of their races confirmed atrocities against Nature
>laugh like the hyenas they are
i wonder what’s waiting for you all at the end?

>>10427196
Valhalla?

Isn't there something in GR about white people being racist because they associate brown skin with shit?

>>10427211
and don't forget there's the shit fetish scene as well as a long passage describing a white man crawling through the sewers to get to freedom

>>10427202
doubtful, subhumans get last priority for their chosen afterlives. more likely Gahenom or Tartarus for the lot of you. But, then again all you have to do is stop laughing every time one of your ancestors’ blood sacrifices is unveiled.

>>10427229
>>10427211
Let's start memeing Pynchon as an SJW. Find incredibly out of context quotes, and let's make this board great again

why would the name conjure images of black students wearing polos? he probably meant black turtlenecks but since he sucks at writing that's not what he wrote

>>10427257
Pynchon is primarily a satirist and culture critic. He relies not on answers, but on the questions he provides. Evidenced by his belief in paranoia, he can't be an ideologue. He distrusts both individuals and groups.

If we were to impose ideology onto him, I believe he would be most in defense but also most critical of the free market, because his characters are driven by conflicting self-interests and stupid luck

>>10427149
he always goes on and on sympathetically about west coast organized labor, you must be a real brainlet not to get that

If you read GR, it's pretty obv that Pynchon has some amount of disdain towards those racist against black people in America, and compassion himself.

>>10427196
>whitey is responsible for all evils in the world because non-whites are both totally equal but at the same time our agency-free pets

How can you appropriate blacks in writing when blacks never invented a written language?
These people spew a fairy tale about history, writen solely from the white side(because the blacks recorded no history) painting everything done as villainous. So all black on black interaction is ignored, their own domestic slave trades or abuse or raids or wars are all assumed to not exist.

Do these rich white liberals live anywhere near the animals they champion? No, they live among the whites they claim to hate. One day these scum will get their deserved death.

>>10427113
Thoughtful article, genuinely appreciated reading it.

For the /pol/acks who couldn't see past the author's occasional soapboxing (or the anons who are just too lazy to read the thing), the basic thesis was "Write what you know."

The author praises Pynchon for writing about colonialism from a colonialist perspective, and tackling the conflict between the self-interest of soldiers and slave-owners and the moral guilt their actions leave them with.

The author praises Pynchon for writing about black characters displaced by war, like Pynchon himself, who had to leave his homeland to fight in WW2.

The author criticizes other authors for writing about stereotyped, destitute African poverty, and for writing quasi-journalistic accounts of Africa as-is, because those authors aren't expressing themselves authentically.

Of course, all this goes off the rails when the author ends the essay with a call for white authors to "get out of the way," but the actual substance of her argument is just "Write what you know."

Even if you disagree with her ideology, she makes some valid points about how great writing comes from an author reproducing the same experiences, perspectives, etc. that he/she has had herself.

Wow, I completely read GR differently than everyone here. I took him to be saying that the black movements in the sixties and all were futile protestations organized and allowed by higher powers to let the subjected think that their future was actually pliable

>>10427329
this. his dominant theme in all that i've read of him (v. tcol49, GR, M&D) is that bigger powers control everything, so it's all futile but also that you should keep fighting nonsensically (absurdly desu)

>>10427323
Pynchon was 8 years old when WW2 ended.

>>10427341
naw

>>10427323
>ike Pynchon himself, who had to leave his homeland to fight in WW2.

are you retarded? pynchon didn't fight in world war 2, but then again you can tell that blogger is a retard from the first sentence as i pointed out above

>>10427323
What the hell does an out of touch commie like Pynchon know about colonialism? Or about the behavior of black africans?
It's people like him who would want real documentaries of Africa banned because they portray Africans in a bad light.
See: Africa Addio
They hand Africa over to the communist negros, who engage in mass slaughter & mass destruction, then they blame whitey for all of it.

The article is not even by a black
who are these white liberals to preach about stuff that happened long before they were born ?

Would the savages have spared any whites they caught? Not goddamn likely, but I guess its a genocide because evil whitey wouldn't accept their own deaths.

>>10427149
All of his books are very left wing but he's more of a conscious social democrat than a communist

>>10427113
How the fuck did you not get this by reading GR or fucking M&D? Christ I thought everyone had read Inherent Vice and Crying of Lot 49 at the very least.

I always thought /pol/ kids on /lit/ were just shitposting. The meme trilogy were all written by socially conscious white dudes raging against the societal structures that crippled human souls

>>10427517
>The meme trilogy were all written by socially conscious white dudes raging against the societal structures that crippled human souls

How over educated do you have to be to write garbage like this.

>>10427553
not very desu

>>10427553
>Jim Crowe, wage slavery, slavery, union busting, gentrification, CIA drug epidemic isn’t soul crushing
lol yup mommy and daddy’s $800,000 home is reality

>>10427582
>gentrification

Is a meme.

Black people face enormous issues in the US, but focusing on a nonexistent one will only waste time and energy.

>>10427553
You just have to have actually read Ulysses, Gravity's Rainbow, and Infinite Jest at any point of your life. So I guess pretty fucking over-educated by your standards. Why are you here?

>>10427553
>over educated

You clearly haven't ever read anything to begin with, so I don't know if we can take your concept of "over education" as legitimate

>>10427627
t. I have never lived in a large metropolitan area and all my friends wear khakis on the weekends

>>10427627
>Black people face enormous issues in the US

t. learned about black people in college and from my drug dealer

>>10427632
>>10427634
>>10427582
>>10427563
triggered over educated liberals
wow life and work is so soul crushing! It was so totally different for people living in a preindustrial society! Or for the non-white savages we idolize(from a safe distance ofc)!

>>10427636
>t. I have never lived in a large metropolitan area

Wow Miami isn't a large metropolitan area, who could've fucking thunk it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/01/the_gentrification_myth_it_s_rare_and_not_as_bad_for_the_poor_as_people.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/gentrification-bad-word/396908/

https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21644164-gentrification-good-poor-bring-hipsters

>>10427627
gentrification is a multifaceted phenomenon about urban development and displacement which creates effects beyond nice shops and shit. it's real bro. Even whitey is effected.

>>10427636
YOU LIBERALS are fully responsible for gentrification
You wanted an end to segregation, this destroyed whole cities, and now the shoe is on the other foot, rich liberals moving in raising rents....

Guess its ok for blacks to complain about non-blacks flooding in if it inconveniences them huh

>>10427651
damn all that ideology in one post disguised as realism. see ya when you get your GED, friendo.

>>10427651
i can smell your room from here

>>10427654
>gentrification is a multifaceted phenomenon about urban development
Once upon a time communities existed, liberals destroyed them because communities are a racist concept.
Now 60 years onward, liberals want to pretend they aren't the cause of it all, and that in fact their liberal agendas of the past were racist.

>>10427149
Wrong, he's a liberal

Am I supposed to be surprised that he's got a left bent? The dude grew up in the 60s and 70s and rolled with hippies and the beatniks and is a postmodernist writer. I'd be more surprised if he wasn't a lefty.

>>10427756
Its one thing to be a commie when you are 20 and addicted to LSD
It's quite another to remain a commie at 80, after seeing your home country flooded with foreigners, and the independence revolutions of Africa that he championed lead only to destruction.

>>10427133
low effort bait.

>>10427766
>addicted to LSD
Had a laugh, mate, thanks

>>10427651
>/pol/ proves it still can't read anything that doesn't align with its political views
>reality is my ideology and these people are blind!
No one in this thread said life was better in a pre-industrial society. You are attacking boogymen and hate literature. Leave this board.

>>10427653
Shocking! You googled gentrification and posted articles that align with your opinions. I could do the same, but you wouldn't read them. How about a response written by one of the same sources which you cite, explaining one aspect of the complications of massive human migration?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/the-criminalization-of-gentrifying-neighborhoods/548837/

>>10427660
/pol/'s favorite defense: everyone that calls out their bullshit must be a libhral! Leave this board; go read books.

>>10427766
uhh yeah the communist rule that has reigned in america the last 60 years have really ruined the country

Supposing he was a completely full blown turbo commie, what should I do about it? Close myself off to literature I enjoy simply because the author doesn't align with my views? Should I close myself off to the opinions and thoughts of people who don't share my views?

>>10427833
I read lots of books
I don't try to pretend you get fucking life lessons from some delusional rich white communist like Pynchon who writes books ironically

>>10427860
>I read lots of books

(Hasn't read a book since he graduated from the 11th grade, btw)

>>10427867
I read sci-fi and fantasy

>>10427867
>(Hasn't read a book since he graduated from the 11th grade, btw)
(is a gay doo doo head, btw)

>>10427883
Believe me it shows

>>10427905
Says the g uy who reads "post-modernist literature" for "the great prose"

Can someone tweet this thread @ the author of the article? No tengo twitter

>>10427924
>thinking this is an insult

>>10427957
It was meant as praise in a neo-ironic sort of way

>>10427133
>gets triggered enough by SJWs to throw away their books after buying them

>>10427318
non whites are equal to whites. non whites possess agency. agency is different from privilege. get your basic theory straight, kid. you're outing yourself as 19

>>10427651
>everyone is calling me on my bullshit
>i should insinuate they've all been triggered by my brave and pithy truthtelling
you know you're losing the war when you resort to insulting the opponent for reading too much. go back to the hills, hillbilly

>>10427766
please tell me how it's the immigrants who are taking your jobs, and not the capitalists and robots and automated technology

>>10427349
>what does a guy who served in the navy and worked for multiple military industrial companies before becoming a writer of esoteric and heavily researched fiction no about people I hate? He should hate those people more, watch these documentaries and learn to be disgusted like me

>>10428104
How can PRIVILEGE exist if they are equal & fully capable human beings?

>>10427456
my dude's an anarchist. i think "social democrat" is a little bit of an oversimplification

>>10427329
This is a very leftist point of view, as long as you don't think the left = the democratic party.

>>10428125
>I care so much about the poor, and the down trodden, and the oppressed, and the mistreated, and the neglected, and the dispossessed
>BY THE WAY GO KILL YOURSELF YOU POOR WHITE TRASH GARBAGE

>>10428142
I know its hard to think outside your little ideological box, but do try huh
Where is your empathy and open mindedness huh? If you can't even conceive the thought process of people who are like you, such as right wing whites, how do you imagine you understand the thinking of racially alien foreigners?

>>10427297
Which one should I read for the labor movement stuff? I read Stegner’s Joe Hill a couple years ago and enjoyed it.

>>10427329
>>10427338
That's a far, far left attitude

>>10428360
>has no idea what the left/right dichotomy means and also can't recognize the difference between prescription and reaction

>>10427113
This just makes me hate Pynchon even more, as if it were even possible

>>10428464
Yeah dude talking about history is wrong

What is Pynchon?

Is this man regarded anywhere else, but internet forums like 4chan and reddit?

>>10428184
>>BY THE WAY GO KILL YOURSELF YOU POOR WHITE TRASH GARBAGE
They may go on about empathy, but they actually have very little of it.
>>10428524
Yeah, he's popular among critics. Harold Bloom likes his books I that means anything.

>>10427113
>2017
>caring about inferior life forms

I love how lefty /lit/ is getting. Let's throw out all these /pol/tards from here. Intellectualism doesn't belong to the right wing. It never has, it never will.

>>10428621
Intellectualism is a spook, and affirming it renders you sterile.

>>10428621
>how lefty /lit/ is getting
guess how I know you're new here

Lit was left/"centrist" before christposting got popular. /pol/ kids just pushing us further and further that way

>>10428647
Speak for yourself.

>>10428045
holy shit you're so dumb anon, unless this is like double-bait in which case excuse me

>>10427133
/pol/tard sjw whiners epicly satirized! like a boss xD

>>10427553
>reading three books is considered over-education in America

>>10427113
>tfw the only conservative postmodern author was David Foster Wallace and all of the rest are filthy liberals.

>>10428880
I wonder if you'd still think that if you read his (very short) essay "Just Asking"

>>10428918
The great thing about DFW is that he’s constantly contradicting himself, privately he was very traditional/conservative in his views.

>>10428988
Yes, I know. He literally thought he was Kafka and Wittgenstein personally, but his author personality was like street smart critical theory Gen X New Left, or, Gen X Rorty

>>10427113
>The writer known as "Pynchon" actually exists.
Congrats on falling for the biggest psyop in American history, fags.

>>10427177

why don't you climb into a v2 and have someone launch you at a cinema?

>>10427257
> let's troll the shit out of this
> and let's make this board great again

you just arrived, didn't you? /s4s/ is over there. bye!

>>10427113
>There is a particular set of circumstances that authorized Pynchon’s telling of the event, circumstances which do not exist today. For starters, there weren’t any Herero (or Namibian, for that matter) writers of fiction who had prominently addressed the genocide at the time of his novels. In the ’60s and ’70s there was no internet, nor the masses of scholarship we take for granted. In such circumstances, it was almost a moral imperative to write the genocide down—repeatedly, in Pynchon’s case—to draw attention to it again and again.

Pynchon was "authorized" to write about the Herero because there weren't any Herero writers at the time; if there had been, then he would not have been "authorized" to write about it. But because there was no internet, and no Namibian writers, nobody even knew about the Herero so Pynchon was compelled, required by law even, to write about them and how they got their shit pushed in by ebil rayciss pre-Nazi Nazis

>I thought, okay, this is obviously a very cool book with proper lefty sentiments

Thank God it didn't offend her sense of propriety

>When I first read V., though, I was taken aback by the sudden change of scene. What is this, I thought, Pynchon’s ‘Out of Africa’ fantasy? I was deeply skeptical about this white man, not to mention tired and afraid.

"I was afraid, literally shaking, as I contemplated the racism I was about to confront, and the outrage it would inevitably generate."

>Later that same year, 2016, we would all hear Lionel Shriver’s speech on how the concept of cultural appropriation was just stupid. She praised bestselling author Chris Cleave—white, British—for his “courage” in creating “Little Bee,” a fourteen-year-old Nigerian asylum seeker in his book of the same name. She scoffed at the critics who believe Cleave was wrong to appropriate such a story for himself, because “they are his characters, to be manipulated at his whim, to fulfill whatever purpose he cares to put them to […] It’s his book, and he made her up. The character is his creature, to be exploited up a storm.” It felt like an imperial slap in the face—but it didn’t surprise me.

Holy shit, I can't even mock this anymore. Literally shitting on a white leftist author because his pro-refugee propaganda was racist because he wrote about a nonwhite character. "Controlling" the actions of a fictional negress is Imperialism. I just imagined Morgan Freeman being shoved into a gas-chamber, I guess that makes me Cecil Rhodes.

Kudos, OP, for forcing me to acknowledge that people like this actually exist.

>>10427627

"Gentrification" means ghetto blacks get shoved out into the formerly white suburbs that they once wanted to live in but now are considered shitholes because nobody lives there but ghetto blacks. Essentially, economic reality butting into social fantasies of two groups, white liberals (who wanted "cultural" edgy avant garde neighborhoods, but got instead a bunch of white liberals looking for the same) and ghetto blacks (who basically just want drugs, cars, and sneakers without having to pay for them, and instead get racist boolsheit like drug-tests at the parole office and poe-lees gettin up in they grills for selling foodstamps). Meanwhile the white working class gets to watch their neighborhoods become surrounded by black and hispanic ghettos as the wealthy liberals leave them behind, too poor to follow but not poor enough to live off free shit.

And then get lectured by affluent marxists about their privilege.

>>10427229
I'm glad I could never get into his pointless ramblings.

>>10428988
if you know them I guess they weren't that private

>>10428621
If the left is so intellectual, why is it so stupid and wrong about every false ideal it champions? Why does everything it pushes cause destruction?
>HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

It is funny watching a libtard try and seize "intellectualism" from people he doesn't agree with, which is both contrary to the nature of being intellectual and a hilarious addition of 'ism' to the end, which libtards love to do.
The only 'ism' you lay exclusive claim to is 'moronism,' commie.

>>10427113
>Alexandra d'Abbadie

Yeah OP, thanks for sharing yet another piece of provocative garbage. God I wish I had a pussy at times. Self-indulgent moral posturing gets you anywhere in humanities.

>>10427766
>Its one thing to be a commie when you are 20 and addicted to LSD
wow it's 1969 (ok) again

>>10430087
>If you're so smart, then why are you so stupid?

>>10430228
>being this sheltered
Slit your throat, maggot. You're never gonna make it in the real world, with or without a pussy; you definitely lack the balls.

>>10430087
>The only 'ism' you lay exclusive claim to is 'moronism,' commie
Well the only ISM you lay EXCLUSIVE CLAIMS to is STUPIDISM, capitalist huehuehue

>>10430278
Why so mad, nigger?

>>10427651
leave this board

>https://electricliterature.com/thomas-pynchon-shows-us-how-white-writers-can-avoid-appropriation-8902a5563a1c
This is where OP's quote is from.

Is the majority of /lit/ really empathising with the author's thoughts there, or are you guys just memeing?

when the fuck did lit become inundated with polshit?

>>10427349
yeah i bet this pynchon fellow doesn't do much research

>>10429953
Somebody didn't make it through the plen filter lol lmao

>>10428621
you faggots were never invited in the first place.

>>10430382
Nice rebuttal.

>>10430390
Nice revisionism

>>10428918
Just Asking is a flat out disavowal of the Bush era Military overspending, jingoism, and surveillance policies. None of this is remotely conservative. Just because he says there is a tradeoff between safety and freedom doesn't mean he is saying dismantle all but local governments and buy a machine gun, fuckwit.

>>10428162
don't bother. these people deny basic chemistry without realizing it.

>>10430087
>libtard
>left

>>10428621
Great work politicizing a neutral board you infertile moron.

>>10430879
>on /lit/
>can't read

pottery

>>10431225
if you weren’t a massive newfag you’d know this is a leftist board that /pol/ has brigaded constantly for about 3-4 years and slowy caused the original posters and mods to just not want to engage anymore. that it leans right now is just because of the frog niggers on twitter advertising their intellectual acumen and trying to associate themselves with this place. its not a right wing board in origin at all.

>>10431259
>making a rebuttal
>no substance

Faggotry

>>10431293
This is not a leftist board. I first started browsing lit in 08 and while the loudest political voices always were leftist (and possibly adolescent as they bore the annoying self-indulgent tone of a changing larynx and a stronger desire to be on the right side of history than that of uncovering truth), there was room for conservatives of the Whigite/Glorious Rev tradition, even lolbertarians, pre-war Rebublicans, Victorian prudes, etc.

The faggotry that Jew-meta-narrators and appalling self-righteous twenty something Marxist bring to this board is more unbearable than ever.

>>10431392
>This is not a leftist board. I first started browsing lit in 08
/lit/ didn't exist until 2010. You only started browsing here this year. Your posting style is obvious.

>>10431392
http://tanasinn.info/wiki/Complete_History_of_4chan

/lit/ didn't exist until 2010
Go back to /pol/ where people accept whatever history fits best with their ideology. Posters here aren't so fucking stupid

>>10431401
>>10431405
Well, I done goofed. I remember being an undergrad at the time so it was probably towards the end of my degree.

My point still stands though. /pol/ posters and meta-narrators that attribute everything to the Jews are only an excuse for equally self-indulgent obnoxious Marxists.

>>10431422
I've been browsing /lit/ since 1990 and I can tell you with authority that you're incorrect.

>>10431429
Tell yourselves whatever confirms your political views then. It was never as politicised as it has been for the past year and a half. Certainly not in the partisan sense of the word.

>>10431441
No, but it has always been more left-leaning than the parts of the site that aren't traditionally associated with left-leaning academia. Weird coincidence. I can't think how that might have happened.

>>10431451
I never disagreed with that. I stated from the beginning that whenever discussions had an explicit political tone, left-leaning voices were more louder. Hell, I used to be one of them. They were never as obnoxious as they are now though. It's just like, my opinion, brough. I have no way of measuring that now.

The best way to engage with /pol/ posters is by ignoring them.

>>10431456
More obnoxious than the constant derailing of threads to talk about jews or kevin macdonald? I don't think we're browsing the same board.

>>10431392
>This is not a leftist board
wrong.

>>10431460
No, certainly not more obnoxious than that.

But calling people like OP /pol/ posters merely because they find articles such as the one in question (https://electricliterature.com/thomas-pynchon-shows-us-how-white-writers-can-avoid-appropriation-8902a5563a1c)), which is just a string of moral posturing and self-indulgent attempts to validate her political views; an author who unironically marches against "cultural-appropriation", is "deeply skeptical about this white man, not to mention tired and afraid" and reads merely to strengthen her high-school tier self-victimisation narrative which makes pets out of groups that she believes are more oppressed than she is: "When I finished the chapter without outrage, I re-read it, determined that I would find one way that the novelist had failed, had been dismissive, insensitive, crude".

Please, /lit/ wouldn't have stooped so low as to call someone who objects to this article a neo-nazi. This is all new and just as worrying as /pol/ /lit/ posters, most of whom are probably just trolling.

>>10431503
why would you make an entire thread around a single article you don't like.

That may pass muster for /pol/, but not here.

>>10431503
I see your point but when it seems like every other post is actual pol race baiting (trolling or otherwise), stuff that would otherwise be fine gets picked up on. The most shit/pol/sting there is, the more likely a nearly innocent seeming post is to be bait. It's a natural response.

>>10431538
Because people are impulsive and their intuitions will always firs look towards whatever stirs their emotions. It's not as if the majority of threads on /lit/ are impeccably lit-related, or have the benevolence to steer polite conversation within the confines of literature. Such discussions are rare and have always been. My point is, accusatory reactions to merely objecting to the author of such an article were also rare.

>>10431556
I don't see it as natural. Even though my left-leaning days are over, I either ignore or ridicule /pol/-posters to the best of my comedic ability. Calling people like OP nazis, for merely pointing out the sheer ridiculousness and almost pornographic moral posturing that the author of said article engages in, is not a natural response, nor is it commensurate. It is however, transparent of a very particular kind of 'leftism' that I won't stand by and which I think is just as wrong to tolerate.

>>10431578
It seems pretty obvious to me that the OP is being sarcastic, it's very much a /pol/ post. I don't see why your refusal to tolerate people responding to him in that way (by responding to them) is any different to their original response.

>>10431558
It's like you hardly ever come to this board

>>10431591
Well, I guess we could argue ad-nauseam about how many layers of irony we need to peel off to uncover posters' true intentions. Maybe I'm baited by both sides, due to my inability to detect all those layers, I can't say.

I'll concede that OP is definitely sarcastic, but he's merely satirising the article - and there are plenty of reasons to do so, as you can see in my direct quotes a few posts above. His poor attempt at satire is in no way /pol/ tier though. The author deserves satire and ridicule - her self-righteous tone and unaware pathos is past the point of correcting through mere benign pointers. Disagreeing with her, or her tone, or just ridiculing her, whether right or wrong does not make one a neo-nazi. I can't stress this enough.

But again, maybe OP was baiting and hoping for the shit-storm that this thread turned into, and maybe the people who called him a /pol/ nazi were baiting themselves to provoke /pol/ lurkers. My intuition is that there aren't that many levels of irony here.

>>10431634
/pol/ posting is /pol/ posting is shitposting regardless of the posters actual political views and if they're being ironic or not.

>>10427113
LOL!
All that "White Privilege" talk is so stupid and delusional.
Fuck you faggot.

>>10431645
Sure mate, I've already agreed that it's shitposting.

>>10431674
Alright then.

>>10427860
>I read lots of books

I have my doubts.

I feel this is missing the point. The inclusion of the Herero stuff has nothing to do with the SJWism they want to impose on it.

Especially considering that it's about V, when P had not yet become some sort of anarchohippie.

>There were no more princes. Henceforth politics would become progressively more democratized, more thrown into the hands of amateurs. The disease would progress. Stencil was nearly past caring.

>tfw shit like this is what ruined Pynchon's discussion and the Pynchon's mailing list

Basically it's impossible to discuss Pynchon without racebaiting and politics.

>>10431293
I don't see a problem in any of this.