/lit/ - Literature

>>10326704
Hillary Clinton.

bunp

>>10326733
ROFL this is gold!
Upvoted fellow kekistani!

You're talking about a region with people who are completely dysfunctional, inbred, and borderline retarded. There is no art or literature of merit and what little has come from there was produced by holdover Indo-European post-Islamic rape baby populations.

>>10326928
Sounds like America tbqh famalam

>>10326928
Kys

>>10326928
Without Islam we wouldnt know what greek philosphy is.

>>10326928
This but unironically

>>10327167
*Without Arabs greek philosphy would not have been as influential to the Medieval world.
Arabs not Islam, you racist backwoods fucktard.

>>10327142
Why would you even defend arabs and islam? This is a force entirely for bad.

>>10327167
That's just not true and those savages destroyed an enormous amount of western culture. The people who did that were the Indo-European peoples who had their societies taken over by these heathens.

>>10327167
>>10327167
When will people stop spouting this meme?

If you're not baiting, look into who the Arabic translators of Greek texts. Hunayn ibn Ishaq al-Ibadi and many others were Nestorian Christians. The Eastern churches never forgot.

>>10327167
The Arab golden age and all of the advances that came out of it actually happened in spite of Islam.

>>10327185
>A fucking christian talks about destroying other cultures
Unironically off yourself

>>10327232
I'm not a Christian and Christianity is what originally destroyed European culture. Semitic ideology is the central theme and the main problem here.

>>10327167
what were the byzantins?

>>10327246
Go home, Varg

>>10327465
You've still failed to put forward an argument against his original statement that Islam is and has been a destructive force to western culture.

>>10327185
>Why would you even defend arabs and islam? This is a force entirely for bad.
I’m not defending Islam. I’m just saying you have to be autistic to ignore all their art, music, and architecture. Some of it’s pretty good.

>>10327579
You mean those things that were produced by the semi-competent R1b rape babies living in lands arabs took over and destroyed?

>>10327796
A lot of those supposed “rape babies” were Muslims.

I can't really think of anything that would be equivalent to Tolkien or Lewis (i.e. allegorical, instructive texts for children)

>>10326704
Whatever amalgam of writers did the 1001 Nights.

The closest I can think of is one thousand and one nights, which gave us aladdin and sinbad

>>10327851
The Chinese?

Conference of the Birds

>>10327868
pretty sure it was sandniggers

>>10327868
>The Chinese?
Burton's covfefe translation

>>10327900
Aladdin is Chinese

>>10327912
Aladdin was a later addition.

>>10327912
>>10327930
Just because the character of aladdin is interpreted as being chinese, doesn't make the story itself chinese you antirationalist tardhammer

I het the feeling most Muslims would fond such a thing heretical.

Taha Hussein and Naguib Mahfouz are cool.
>>10327956
They did.

>>10327167
Read Sylvain Gouguenheim's "Aristote au Mont Saint-Michel" and stop spreading these jokes

>>10327183
eh... given the time period, the Arabs that acquired and preserved Greek philosophy were Muslims, the original Muslims.
Besides, it's the Sunni Muslims (i.e. Arab Muslims) that the western world seems to have a problem with via terrorists.

>>10326704
thousand and one nights or whatever the fuck it's called.

>>10327183
It's not even Arabs; the majority of scientists were Persian. Arabs made a fraction, somewhere between 1-2% of all contributors to the Islamic Golden Age.

I find it interesting the muslim apologists in this thread didn't respond to this post >>10327196

Has there been a Buddhist Tolkien or a Hindu CS Lewis? No. Genre fantasy novels were primarily a popular invention in a particular time in European history. Buddhist, Hindu, and Islamic cultures have incredible mythologies, but they never even have such a trivial art form as the fantasy fiction genre novel. How could they ever even have their own versions of Tolkien or Lewis?

>>10330220
In all honesty, it's most likely related to mass literacy.

>>10327547
>implying Western culture is good

>>10330220
>Buddhist Tolkien
Wu Cheng'en

>>10330250
Not for children.

Who’s the Islamic version of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison? Ohhhh right. Cars and lightbulbs are inventions of advanced, industrial superpowers and making a comparison between a vast multi-continent empire and a few competing desert caliphates is actually pretty fucking silly.

For the bulk of European history, fantasy fiction wasn’t even a genre. People took these things very seriously, as fact or probability. Islamic cultures have many myths and oral traditions concerning jinn, but they simply didn’t develop the popular trend to write fantasy stories about them. There was simply never that need or cultural byproduct. How does that make them less advanced or less cultured? They have sophisticated, beautiful poetry. Was European civilization any less advanced before Tolkien? Come on.

>>10330256
I believe "fantasy novels" and light fiction for children in general is a product of mass literacy, which it is safe to say is a European invention. Note that this is not however necessarily good.

>>10330254
>Moving the goal post this hard

>>10326928
What is art FOR? Have you considered that? Maybe living in a fucking desert makes artistic life rather hard? What you’re implying here is really stupid. Europe wasn’t always this great cultural and creative region. It took thousands of years. It took fertile land and leisure time for artists and craftsmen. There were a few geniuses every couple of centuries or so. Most Europeans lived unimpressive, uninspired lives as peasant farmers.

>>10330256
>Cars and lightbulbs are inventions of advanced, industrial superpowers
They were the inventions of white people, like just about everything else.

>>10330284
Environmental determinists realized they were stupid and wrong about a decade ago, mate. Why did you miss the bus?

>>10327199
the caliphate was what provided the political stability that led to that, without Islam there would still be tribal infighting all over the place

>>10330256
>Who’s the Islamic version of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison? Ohhhh right. Cars and lightbulbs are inventions of advanced, industrial superpowers and making a comparison between a vast multi-continent empire and a few competing desert caliphates is actually pretty fucking silly.
Technological advances and cultural development are not the same thing, and it's a false equivalence to compare the two. Stop being intellectually disingenuous.

>>10327579
>Some of it’s pretty good.
Kek'd.

>>10330287
It took a particular economy, a particular political system, a particular culture, a particular opportunity of conquest, a particular availability to metals and metalwork, which could create certain tools.

It had nothing to do with whiteness. The Slavs were white and they didn’t “accomplish” much compared to other cultures. Early Germanic tribes were similarly pretty backwards for centuries, in spite of their whiteness.

The Chinese, the Indians, and the Egyptians (which were an Arab people with a black minority population), all had great advancements, sophisticated technology, and great academic cultures.

>>10330256
>Who’s the Islamic version of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison? Ohhhh right. Cars and lightbulbs are inventions of advanced, industrial superpowers and making a comparison between a vast multi-continent empire and a few competing desert caliphates is actually pretty fucking silly.

>>10330317
>the Egyptians
>which were an Arab people

>>10330317
Economies, political systems, cultures, and fortitudes unique to and created by white Europeans. The accomplishments of Europeans result from European genetics.

>>10330317
>>10330331
Seriously, talk about embarrassing yourself.

>>10330317
>The Slavs were white

>>10330336
The Chinese, the Egyptians, the Indians...were all white? They all had immense technological achievements, vast empires, philosophies, mythologies, political systems, etc.

You just glossed over the white European failures. Germanic tribes, the Celts, the Druids, the Slavs, lived lives which many would consider “savage” or “primitive.” Europe didn’t start becoming advanced until about 500 years ago. For the majority of human history, Europe wasn’t as significant as China, the Mongol Empire, Babylon, Egypt, and India.

And before you say “the Roman Empire”, you should know that this was a very racially, ethnically, and culturally diverse country that took over and fought against whites and blacks alike. The ingenuity of the Roman Empire came from their brute force and their intellectual prowess, not their whiteness or “white genetics” because white genetics did no favors to the German barbarians which the Romans were often fighting against.

>>10330351
>only my particular perfect example of whiteness is correct

The US once legally considered Latinos white. Are they?

Do Celts and Druids count as white? They lived just as “primitively” as Native Americans.

>>10330361
You're so out of your league here. Egyptians were white before semitic invasions and Indians to this day speak an Indo-European language. The highest castes have the highest European admixture because Europeans settled there about 5000 years ago, and the same with Iran, the name for which literally derives from "Aryan." Please, don't start talking about stuff you no understanding of.

>>10330361
Intellectual prowess derives from genetics, you mongoloid.
>Last 500 years ago
>What is the Middle Ages
>What is Rome
>What is Greece
>What is the Byzantines
All of those are white and there is a continuous progression of white ingenuity.

>>10330364
>The US once legally considered Latinos white. Are they?
Si.

>>10330370
>every successful culture ever had to have been white in some way

Jesus Christ, you white supremacists are so pathetic. What are you trying to prove?

India has an Indo-European language and white settlement, but Germany and Russia also have Indo-European languages and they’re fully (not partially) white. For thousands of years they lived tribal, peasant lives while India was a great center of culture and knowledge.

What next? Are Chinese people also white? Come on, get serious. Whiteness isn’t a superpower.

>>10330393
India was nothing until white people settled there. They created the caste system because they wanted to halt more people breeding out into the brown hordes. You don't belong in this conversation, guy. You're working from too far behind.

>>10330361
>Europe didn’t start becoming advanced until about 500 years ago

Do think that advancement just materialized out of thin air? That we all received some sort of divine revelation at exactly 1500 AD?

>>10330393
We white supremacists go where the facts lead. And the facts lead to the fact that "whites" reached India and slowly became mongrelized with the Dravidians.

>>10330370
>>10330374
>>10326928
>>10330287

White people lived in squalor as tribesmen and peasant farmers for centuries. It took the Enlightenment, the Renaissance, and the Industrial Revolution, to pull Europe out of its witch burnings, inquisitions, crusades, etc. You speak of Europe as if it’s perfect and has always been great. It hasn’t. Remove your bias and your stupid belief in white supremacy and see history for what it is. Life doesn’t give you a medal just for being white. You aren’t better than anyone for your whiteness. It took the collective ingenuity of many generations of people trading knowledge and ideas across national and racial lines.

One-Thousand One Nights?

>>10330419
European civilization was destroyed first and foremost with the plague of jewish Christianity spread by Charlemagne whose court was stacked with jews. That's the common theme here and the accomplishments of white people speak for themselves. Whites lived in peace until the jew decided he wanted in.

>>10330411
It was the Black Plague and the instability of feudalism, which led to capitalism, which then advanced and enriched Europe, over time. Had this happened anywhere else, the result would’ve been the same.

>>10330419
>It took the Enlightenment, the Renaissance, and the Industrial Revolution, to pull Europe out of its witch burnings, inquisitions, crusades, etc.

Why is it that certain ethnic groups are seemingly unable or unwilling to undergo this process?

>>10330427
If the Jew is so inferior, how has he managed to infiltrate, dominate, and oppress white people so much? I thought you guys were supposed to be superior?

>>10330419
>Muh crusades
>muh war
>ohmygahd
Fuck off. That is part of life.
>witch burnings
>inquisition
Yeah, and?
>that pic
Explain why ancient Greeks describe characteristics that are typically associated with "whites", i.e., northwestern Europeans, in their stories and myths.

>>10330432
Whites are far superior in every way except for perhaps pure tribal cunning and desert savagery, but we're getting there.

>>10330429
Where did you read that? I'm genuinely curious.

>>10330432
>How can parasite kill its host?
>chekmate, nahtzees

>>10330432
He doesn't play by the same rules.

>>10330431
A lot of it is by chance. It wasn’t white people as a whole who invented things and had these amazing ideas. It was a handful of geniuses over time. Meet any average white guy and I guarantee you, he isn’t going to be a Mozart or a Socrates. He’s going to be ordinary—as smart or dumb as any randomly selected black or Latino person.

By any roll of the dice, one civilization is going to surpass others. Throughout history, this has happened. At times, the Chinese have been ahead of everyone by a lot. At other times, it has been other cultures—the Mongols, the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Egyptians, the Indians, and so on. But even after centuries of domination, all empires eventually collapse, all civilizations wane, and new ones take their place.

Right now, it just so happens that white people are on top. Centuries ago, this wasn’t the case and centuries from now, this may not be true anymore. It’s important to see progress not racially but nationally and economically. Race had nothing to do with it. Whites have conquered and oppressed other whites. Blacks have conquered and oppressed other blacks. It has been nationality, religion, culture and economic self-interest which have been the primary driving forces of history.

>>10330456
The Mongols never reached a civilization; they only conquered, and left nothing but genetics; moreover, Rome and Greece were coeval to China and India and dominated "civilizationally". China dominated only in East Asia. Whites dominated continuously from one European civilization to the next.

>>10330456
It's dumbfounding how anyone can reach these types of conclusions, that after thousands of years of evolution and various social and environmental selective factors, vastly different people would magically produce the same result. It's completely retarded. Europeans are individualists, which stems from having to be creative in order to survive harsh winters, which is why they are today responsible for 97% of all innovation. The poster above is promoting a half-baked rendition of the debunked GG&S hypothesis that it's all just a fluke.

>>10330468
It’s dumbfounding how, after scientists have debunked racial science as bunk, untrained conspiracy theorists keep buying into this.

>responsible for 97% of innovation
That sounds like you pulled it out of the deepest parts of your ass. Where exactly are you getting this number from?

>>10330445
http://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-economic-impact-of-the-black-death/

Here you go

>>10330485
>racial science is bunk
Is that why you can tell racial differences from skeletons? Or how about the different cranial sizes? Or how about the fact that center of mass is different between whites and blacks? And IQ distributions are all exactly the same? And what of the mirror test? It's astounding that it takes blacks several months to recognize themselves in a mirror when it takes Asians and whites a couple of months. Or there blacks gestation periods being longer than whites and Asians. Here's a fact for you, you dumb nigger, racial science isn't bunk: your PC dogma is.

>>10330485
>>10330287
What you call "racial science" is just science. The races are different and you have been blasted with egalitarian propaganda you're going to have to try and shed if you ever expect to be half as smart as you think you are.

>>10330419
Unlike continental Europeans, Nordic people don't trace their civilization back to Rome or ancient Greece but consider it something of their own creation. Completely contrary to your meme, though that is actually the stupid position to take.

>>10330494
*several years, I believe.

>>10330429
The lengths people will go to to believe all people are equal and equally capable. It's ludicrous.

>>10330494
Umm race is a social structure sweetie...

>>10330494
Any sources for this information?

Stormfront? Breitbart?

Most actual scientists recognize this for the bullshit it is. But I’d like to take a look anyway. Show me your best scientific evidence for white supremacy.

>>10330494
Blacks being mentally inept is not proof that there exist a black race.

>>10330419
Islam is not a race. I dont know why you started talking about white men. It doesnt have anything to do with it.

>>10330509
I could read and write very well when I was 4 years old, and I’m not white. What do you make of it? You don’t think there are retards and mentally defective whites? Hell, most random mass shootings and most serial killers are white people. At least when black people kill, its for money or turf. When whites go shooting, it’s just plain insanity.

>>10330515
Hola reddit

>>10330515
What are you even trying to say? There should be an entry exam to post on this board, this reads like a twitter post

>>10330512
>Any sources for this information?
Everything that anon posted is so trivial that you can just look it up yourself. This controversy merely exists outside of America.
>>10330515
>Well, most random mass shootings and most serial killers are white people
So? White people are more effective at that as well.
>At least when black people kill, its out of short term gain

>>10330522
It’s irrational to kill random people then blow your own brains out.
It’s rational to fight a competing drug seller and do what you can to survive in a poor, ghettoized community with limited resources and a low class education system.

>>10330515
>most random mass shootings and most serial killers are white people
This only is the case in nations which are mostly white. The most serial killers in African countries are black and the most serial killers in Asia are Asian. This has nothing to do with racial qualities.

>>10330507
You believe white people are equally superior and black people are equally inferior. THAT’S stupid. How about basing it on individual actions and achievements?

>>10330512
I would if I could only post this fucking post, but I'm treated as fucking spam by this stupid site's captcha.

pastebin.com/AbdiR26R

>>10330515
One of two things: white admixture or you're one of the lucky few to be in a high percentile in the IQ distribution of blacks.

>>10330536
The US has a significant minority population (about 30% are black, Latino, or Asian), yet 30% of random mass shootings don’t come from minority populations. They come from white men. The same goes for serial killers. Even with large non-white populations, there isn’t a proportional amount of non-white serial killers and mass shooters in the US.

>>10330546
But that's likely because blacks and Latinos commit more gang-related crimes/shootings than whites do. They are channelled differently.

>>10330546
Have you even read what I said? What about a majority do you not understand? Most shootings actually happen because of black gang members but you very obviously typed the word mass in front of it so it defudes that.

>>10330534
>>10330546
>americans
>white

>>10330556
t. Kike

>>10330555
Yes, but like I’ve already said, there’s an understandable reasoning behind gang-related shootings. It’s turf, it’s personal feuds, it’s drug sales, it’s profit, it’s survival, it’s incentive, it’s motivation, it’s competition. It’s a healthy human instinct to fight for your life. This is what gang related shootings amount to.

But the random mass shootings of murderers is irrational. It’s predatory and self-destructive. There’s no reasoning behind it. This comes from a defective mind. By chance, a white mind most of the time.

>>10330560
You got me

>>10330562
Typically mass shooters are white and liberal. Maybe there's something I'm not seeing.

>>10330563
Well, at least you admit it.

>>10330556
>>10330560
Why are Amerimutts so assblasted by the truth?

>>10330562
No there is not. Killing never has an understandable reason. You are trying to justify killing and shootings on a mass scale purely because it helps your argument. Killing someone becauese that mothafucka be on yo turf, yo isnt a good reason.

Of course mass shooting is irrational. Its always preformed by mentally ill depressed people in their early twenties or even teens.

>>10330579
People killing other people is not irrational.

>>10330579
>Its always preformed by mentally ill depressed people in their early twenties or even teens.
Usually but not always. The worst mass shooting in US history just happened a few months ago by a man in his 60's.

>>10330580
You should kill yourself.

>>10330626
You first, cuck.

>>10326704
Maybe the Arabian Nights for Lewis.
Shahnameh or Amir Arsalan for Tolkien.

>hundreds of posts later, this >>10327196 has only one reply, it noting how said post had no replies

>>10326704
OP, just read the Quran, Hadith and Sunnah (the Sira/gospel of Mohammed) and Reliance of the Traveler (the sharia law manual used by all imams), to learn straight from the horse's mouth how, if Tolkien had taken from Islam instead of the Poetic Edda, the main characters would have been on the side of Morgoth, and most likely Uruk-hai. Particularly the Sira, jesus fuck.

Hell, I'll even provide MEGA downloads for you.
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>>10330626
People thinking killing is irrational are irrational.

>>10330342
I'm not even necessarily asserting that they were europoid, but to call them in any way arabic is just plain ignorant.

>>10327167
>>10329237

This. I was going to say the same thing. Stop spreading this meme justification for islam. "Muh muslims saved Greek philosophy".

>>10330284
>Maybe living in a fucking desert makes artistic life rather hard?
I feel quite the opposite desu
I had quite the spiritual awakening back in the days all alone at night right in the middle of the sahara
the desert is truly something to behold

>>10326704
Islam hasn't contributed anything for over 1000 years, there are more books translated into Spanish in one year than there have ever been translated into Arabic in all of history. You will find no Tolkein or CS Lewis in Islam, your best bet is to look at Persia where you may find Zoroastrian books but I doubt it.

>>10327876
This.

>>10331162
I believe it's actually translated FROM Spanish in one year than there have ever been translated books FROM Arabic to other languages in all of history.

>>10326704
1001 Nights

>>10331162
>using this meme reply from one of Sam Harris's podcasts
go back to r/atheism please
Most of the arabic world is bilingual due to the colonial era, you'll find that locals publish their own books in french rather than arabic in areas such as north africa, aside from poetry pretty much most of the third world is adapting to english and french given how much cultural stagnation colonialism had on them

>>10331178
It's not a meme it's true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL_2dKs-MAs

I thought this place isn't /pol/.

>>10331182
This.

>>10331191
>>10331182
>if you don't bend over and take it like a bitch, you're /pol/

Read these >>10330684

>>10326704
Boku is haram, you infidel kaffir. Report to your neighborhood mosque for a lashing.

>>10331182
You need a functioning brain to think, hombre.

>>10327167
Without Islam the Christian Levant and North-Africa would have retained their wealth and knowledge themselves - this wealth was now plundered and largely destroyed. Luckily some of the loot was kept by the plunderers (or their dhimmis) in somewhat good order - still the knowledge was retained more in spite of Islam than thanks to Islam.

>>10331176
perfect