/lit/ - Literature

>>10300571
God damn he looked terrible in glasses

Go back in time and abort Hitler

>>10300586
On the money

Undo modernity

>>10300571
You cannot undo a methodology, silly.

The only thing you can do is to argue against the practical implications of the methodology.

>>10300592
Bullshit. You can't argue with postmodernism. It's more of a neurosis than a philosophy.

>>10300597
have the jews told you so? neurosis, a jewish term. good goy, keep denying western philosophy in favor of jewish philosophy.

Golden Rule and pain avoidance kills it pretty easily.

>>10300571

Small communities, agriculture, traditional big families. See "Wrath of Gnon" on twitter

>>10300608
>Golden Rule
This

Add the words
>In general.
To the end of any statement you hear. And postmodernism becomes useless. Cause nothing is absolute, in general.

>>10300592
>You cannot undo a methodology, silly.
you can question its validity, nerd

>>10300571
stop giving them money and they'll fizzle out like the scoundrels they are, this is already happening and i predict it will turn into nothing in a 4-5 years once the money dries up now that they have "the public" against them and most of the university is seen as a joke, with more and more companies coming out saying that having a title doesn't predict job performance at all, at this point it's just networking pretty much, except for non-meme degrees like engineering or medical school

derrida was fine though

>>10300608
>Golden Rule and pain avoidance kill Pynchon, Borges, Eco and Calvino
What did he mean by this?

>>10300763
"I got my definition of postmodernism from Peterson and /pol/" is what he meant.

>>10300763
Does it?

>>10300763
this is what happens when you think the primary work detailing post-modernism is the protocols of the elders of zion.

>>10300648
>Wrath of Gnon
the dude literally publishes his own quotes

>>10300772
Postmodernism is very easy to understand. Its the mental equivalent of sitting on the couch all day. Derrida was a conman

>>10300571
Read Nietzsche. The postmodernists either make more sense to you or appear as moronic "celebrity philosophers" to you.

>>10300782
can you explain this?

>>10300656
This, also "both-and" metamodern thinking in the vein of Hanzi Freinacht.

>>10300782
>Postmodernism is very easy to understand.
Easy enough
>Its the mental equivalent of sitting on the couch all day.
Its mental sloth. The ethos seems to answer every question and shut down every argument, all at the great expense of objectivity
>Derrida was a conman
He had an agenda

>>10300763
>confusing literary postmodernism and philosophical postmodernism
sup, nigger

>>10300571
>How do we undo gravity?
This is what you're asking

>>10300831
>How do I reinforce postmodernism?
This is what you're saying.

>>10300571
The problem in my eyes is that people can go their entire lives without knowing their neighbors right next door. I suppose we could try and make people friendly and love one another in some disgusting utopia

OR

We could fuck the west back into cozy little communities with so much war and destruction that people will perish if they don't rely and communicate with one another, like a forced evolution for social behavior.

>>10300831
>>10300838
>gravity, postmodernism
we need to prove that these things are real before we can undo them.

>>10300867
Either way we'll be okay. But nice.

>>10300606
levinas clearly shows how western "philosophy" is indeed what /pol/ calls "the Jew". how would you take this, now?

How many people on /lit/ deconstruct rhetorical meanings of books in order to interpret them according to Marxist principles?

Even Derrida, who wasn't much of a Communist, suggested that he only ever saw deconstructionism as interesting when done in the spirit of Marxism.

>>10302262
Western philosophy is rested in Enlightenment principles. The Rationalists/Empiricists/Positivists are hardly what we would consider rooted in Jewish philosophy.

>>10302305
>Rationalists/Empiricists/Positivists are hardly what we would consider rooted in Jewish philosophy.
And that's why they're autistic.

>>10302305
exactly, rationalism/empiricism/positivsm leads very easily to capitalism, and fortifies it very well too. without a god you can't put metaphysics in a humanist manner. it's what levinas restores (as ethics), by destroying godless positivism.

>>10302402
Isn’t Capitalism basic survival mode, the natural state of the economy in lack of intervention?

>>10300571
>tfw Australia's main Catholic magazine fell for the Peterson meme

>>10302402
godless positivism is autism without borders aka universal conquest for a big fucking nothing

>>10302416
If computers and electricity and the internet and modern medicine are fucking nothing for you, I suggest you get rid of them

>>10302411
Anything we can call capitalism has barely been around for several centuries. Anarcho-capitalism, i.e. a society without any state intervention but with property (somehow people would follow the rule of property without a state?), hasn't existed yet. We can speculate what it would be like, but there's no need in saying that humans would inherently act like that when they have never done so... At least say we can evolve socially, instead of saying your preferred economic system is inherent - everyone does it, and it's dumb.

>>10302411
Capitalism is the best system anyone has found for respecting human life and rewarding ability.
Many criticisms of capitalism often root themselves in utopianism, whereby one compares a very real, tangible, working system to an imaginary system that does not exist and without reasonable means to achieve the end.

>>10302411
yes and metaphysics is its rationalization into a system. plato's republic is a critique of this too. if i was catholic i'd call it pagan probably, but i'm not sure. christianity changed a lot between st paul and the church-state. the thing is metaphysics can't escape this capitalist survival mode and instead always reinforces its rules (nietzsche) its an all unifying reduction to natural capitalism. you even see what happened to communism as a recent phenomena.

the thing is, anything you call an absolute pure idea, concept etc. comes to reduce itself into primal nature in the end. closes into itself but by reinforcing it. the idea gets rid of itself only to degrade it even more. thats why metaphysics is thought as useless and evil i think by continentals

>>10302422
i would if i could. living longer or comfier doesn't really mean that much anyways.

>>10302447
While I agree with you to an extent, Capitalism has gone through reform again and again and today bears little semblance to what it once was.

The original Manchester Capitalism was no less than Hell on Earth, and the finance capitalism of the 1930 gave us Hitler and the Great Depression.

Capitalism proved to be highly adaptable, however, by absorbing Marxist and Keynesian thought.

>>10302492
>Capitalism proved to be highly adaptable, however, by absorbing Marxist
Giving people dole isn't Marxist thought, dude. Nearly no economist will recognise crisis theory, either, so please tell me what you mean by what you said.

>>10300571
It solves itself, not having a shared narrative makes a society less competitive.

Either we will (re)invent a competitive one ourselves or we will be overtaken by invaders who do have a grand narrative.

Vacuums get filled.

>>10302502
I don’t mean the Crisis theory, or Marxist “seize the means of production” thought. But today, we have severe regulations on various practices, up to 54% (France) state intervention into the economy, Central Banking, union rights (as opposed to governments killing union members), welfare, subsidies, and and and ...

That’s perhaps more Keynesian than Marxist.

>>10302510
The Muslims living here largely brought into “our” narrative of personal success, wealth and self-improvement. If you listen to the gangster rap of Turkish or Algerian immigrants, they dream not of salvation through Allah, but of BMWs, /fit/ bodies and infinite money.

E. g. basically the same things the white middle class dreams about. Very few Muslims genuinely share the goals of ISIS, or else we would have Civil War-like conditions, instead of the sporadic terror event.

>>10300571
Deconstruct it.

>>10302447
>Capitalism is the best system anyone has found for rewarding ability.
Daily reminder that capitalism says that a nigger yelling obscenities over a 4/4 beat, if promoted well enough by record companies, is superior to a classically trained pianist who has been practicing intensely his whole life, but hasn't sold out and based his repertoire on Yiruma, Clair de Lune and Mondscheinsonate.

>>10302526
Very few Russians shared the goals of the Bolsheviks.

Interesting article:

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

>>10302581
Capitalism per se makes no cultural statements whatsoever

>>10302581
that is a subversion of capitalism. Working up from a blank start it works very well. What we need right now is reforms not just exchanging a materialist ideology for another

>>10302581
Idiotic. Capitalism didn't do that, jews did that because they have no respect and in fact outright hatred for white European culture.

>>10302629
>>10302603
t.

>>10302656
Jews have been explicit in their promotion of nigger music for those very reasons for decades. No secret there.

>>10302678
>Implying naggers didn't make the best music in the past century
While Coltrane was recording A Love Supreme whites were listening to pop trash like the Beatles and The Beach Boys

Postmodernism only occured because of late capitalism. It cannot be "undone"

>>10300571
LARPing as Maxwell Demons is the best we can do.

Postmodernism as a method covers a lot of things, it's anything but holistic, but the important part of it is meta-method that allows one to use seemingly unrealted or even contradicting approaches together. Unfortunately, knowledge is Lego covered in superglue; connect the pieces and there's no disassembling them. The only way of separating milk from coffee, reversing entropy locally, is self-induced ignorance: you can avoid pomo approach by not knowing about it, although chances are you'll stumble upon it eventually.

Alternative advice - abandon the present and create/think as if you were in a past historic period, when the time still existed. I.e., bad poetry is thrift-shop Yeats/Frost (not sure - here it's Pushkin/Mayakovsky/Brodsky), but you can totally write good poetry the same way.

>>10302629
>>10302678
But it is capitalism that gave them the means to do this. Shitty pop music is simply more efficient in capitalism. A classical musician spends years upon years perfecting his craft on pieces that are complex and demand listeners' total attention. Pop can be made much more easily, by anyone, and it isn't demanding at all to listen to. If I were a businessman who wanted to make money with music, I'd know precisely which of these two branches I'd choose. That's capitalism.

>>10302722
What does that mean then?
I am a classical musician, but effort is not a metric by value is placed.
All it suggests is people aren't willing to put more money into the classical music market than pop music.
That there is a market for classical music at all is part of the beauty of capitalism, it really caters to every taste.

>>10300571
By going back to /pol/ and never coming back.

Late modernity.

>>10300571
Nothing is undone, brainlet. Ideologies move forward as time moves forward. The past is set in stone, anyone who believes its possible to discard it is living in a fairy tale. The question you should be asking is what comes next.

>>10302787
Where is the past?

>>10302722
Who cares if capitalism gave them the means, that still doesn't mean that capitalism is the problem. It's a tool. Pop music is incentivized instead of classical music because jews have created those incentives within the capitalist system they are largely in control of. If you or I were in charge of that system we could de-incentivize pop music, re-incentivize the appreciation of classical music, and turn classical music into pop music just like jews did the opposite. Capitalism does what the people in charge want it to do.

>>10302810
That's a rather simplistic and naïve view of the world there for someone with such sophisticated tates.

>>10302823
*tastes

>>10302787
Postmodernism is not concerned about what comes next, or anything for that matter.
It is a means of keeping Marxism alive and shielding it from scrutiny(or so it would seem since while not all Postmodernists are Marxists, all Marxists are Postmodernists) while using viscious, often false, rhetoric to attack modernity's core principles.
Postmodern Epistemology exists solely to be the antithesis of Modernism's ideals.
Truth and reality are meaningless because human cognition and reason cannot find either. Instead, language, which to Postmodernists has no connection to reality, is actually a means of constructing the world the "Being" perceives. So everything is subjectively, Linguistically, and socially constructed.
Postmodern epistemology finds its roots in the German Counter enlightenment and follows the kind of skepticisms proposed by Kant, ironically in order to protect religion and culture, through to Heidegger, Foucault, Marcuse, (to a lesser extent) Derrida.

>>10302823
Well, the reality of it is pretty simple, though surely more sophisticated and less retarded than the view wherein capitalism is thought to be some phantom machine with a mind of its own.

>>10302810
It’s immensely amusing what you’re doing right now.

You’re basically using the critique of the cultural logic capitalism, formulated in exactly the same vein by the Jews of Frankfurt School, to criticize Jews.

Oh, the irony.

>>10302840
Clearly you don't understand the chicken and the egg here. There's nothing actually ironic about it.

>>10302832
Marxism and postmodernism have few things in common and they operate in different spheres.

Postmodernism is mostly a tool to analyze culture and language, while Marxism treats culture as irrelevant, as mere overhead to the mode of production.

>>10302847
It is. If Adorno and consorts (mostly Jews) didn’t recognize and analyze the cultural logic of capitalism, the brainlets of /pol/ wouldn’t be able to use it to justify antisemitism.

>>10302849
I would disagree with the notion that they have little in common given that most postmodernists are Marxists in some fashion.

>>10302852
I've never had anything to do with pol and your understanding of the Frankfurt School is small-minded and peasant-tier. Don't pretend you understand the nuance of irony regarding processes that are beyond your capacity and don't expect anyone to see you as anything other than a loser when you use fake words like "antisemitism."

>>10302865
Not as small-minded as your understanding of capitalism is, which, by the way, is the first system to create enough wealth and technology to enable everyone to

Whether you agree with your characterization as /pol/tard or the Frankfurt School matters little, as long as you adhere to their views. You’re using the thought of Jews to justify antisemitism right now, which is amusing.

>>10302857
In which fashion?

>>10302879
I have no problem with capitalism qua capitalism. And jewish critique of white culture is not the basis for whites' critique of jews, you are simply not a very intelligent person and have a marginal understanding of what you're attempting to appear informed about. I don't think this place is for you, bud. Scuttle on over to reddit.

>>10302840
>>10302262

Has anyone here actually read anything by, for example, Derrida? It does not seem so from any of the posts

>>10302810
>Pop music is incentivized instead of classical music because jews have created those incentives within the capitalist system they are largely in control of
That's capitalistically genius. A multigenerational project that will simply musical production and make it far more profitable.

>Capitalism does what the people in charge want it to do.
So basically it is socialism?
Btw, you can't turn classical into pop music for about a million reasons.

>>10302996
simplify*

>>10300571
>>10302991
because we never discuss Derrida's lit-related writings, they're all just weak copies of Heidegger.

we always talk about Derrida being a crypto-politician in a "socially-engaged philosopher" disguise, because that's outrageous.

>>10303023
Not really though - for Derrida the mistake philosophers make is thinking about truth and
being on the model of ‘presence’, even a presence that shows itself through
Heiddeger's "allowingness" (gellasenheit).

>>10303086
and everything else is basically Heidegger mashed up with relativism.

Derrida truly set our critical thinking back couple decades

>>10300571
You don’t. It’s already in everyone’s thinking patterns, whether we want it or not.

Go through it and come out the other side

>>10300763
Well, anyone seeking to avoid pain would ignore those authors.

>>10302422
well you've kind of hit the nail on the head, positivism is useful for making things like computers and medicine but not for finding truth. in other words, you can find kind of pragmatic truths (close enough) through empiricism and such but not "true" truths, they come from god.

>>10304099
If you need a pre-imposed arbitrary construct to “tell” you the truth for it to come true, your definition of “truth” doesn’t hold up to Occams Razor

So God cannot be the truth *tips*

>>10302899
>I have no problem with capitalism qua capitalism
>yet everything I don't like is done with capitalism as a tool
Idk what is worse, stealing Adorno's criticisms or calling him a kike and that jazz.

>>10300571
The antithesis of it would be New Sincerity but I believe this movement has already crested

>>10304155
Why did Adorno hate Jazz again, btw?

>>10304162
The movement in its purest form all but disappeared, but its impact lives on, be it in emo-influenced indie music or something as banal as Ed Sheeran.

>>10304189
I'd like to see a layered meta sincerity conveyed by multiple intentions of irony take over but that's a bit up it's own ass

>>10300571
The best way to undo it is to treat it as an interesting philosophical development with a few insights, while emphasizing figures in the movement (Deleuze especially) who have already surpassed it, simultaneously presenting yourself as big brain wojak who has already thought through these memetic word games

>>10300571
Honestly? Hurt them, physically. The existence of pain leads to the existence of truth. No-one can deny either when directly confronted with it.

>>10304214
How has Deleuze transcended postmodernism? His rhizome philosphy is the very essence of postmodernist critique of structuralism.

>>10304272
Perhaps it's a stylistic distinction. I see Deleuze as going beyond the deadlocks and limitations of philosophers like Derrida or Foucault. He's more concerned with building concepts

>>10300571
reconstructionism

>>10302305
>Western philosophy is rested in Enlightenment principles. The Rationalists/Empiricists/Positivists are hardly what we would consider rooted in
are you retarded? you are basically listing everything that destroyed tradition and lead to post-modernism and saying it has nothing to do with it

so either embrace what you created or go against it, but don't play the middle game and try to embrace your ideas without taking responsibility for any of their consequences

>>10302412
>the new canadian meme pope

>>10304228
>deconstruction as a tool for seeking truth
how is this not post-modern?

>>10304502
Mmm. There is some ambiguity here. I'm inclined to agree that postmodernism is an extension of enlightenment ideals but there are people like Hicks who say that postmodernism is a backlash against them, and he makes a decent point. Still trying to figure it out myself though.

>>10302510
except muslims don't have a grand narrative, modern terrorism and ISIS is the most post-modern shit there is. you just have to look every time an army of muslims have tried to do anything working together the last 50 years, when Irak attacked Iran they failed like roaches even though they had superior forces and technology, they couldn't fight together and as soon as a bomb fell somewhere everybody deserted. same shit when several muslim countries tried to attack Israel, they couldn't work together and everybody deserted as soon as they got a chance.

muslim terrorism is just lashing out from sheer impotence after all grand meaning has been destroyed on those countries, brainwashing NEETs and other people without a goal or meaning in their lives and making turning them into something flashy that doesn't really build anything that will last but makes a big impact in the moment

>>10302849
>Postmodernism is mostly a tool to analyze culture and language, while Marxism treats culture as irrelevant, as mere overhead to the mode of production.
that would make sense in a vacuum, and yet magically most relevant postmodernists happen to be leftists. really makes you think

>>10300571
You don't. The desire to undo post-modernism is just a particular form of post-modernism.

>>10304513
> but there are people like Hicks who say that postmodernism is a backlash against them, and he makes a decent point. Still trying to figure it out myself though.
Hicks writes well, but i don't think he has yet put forward a thesis about how to sustain the enlightenment without passing through Kant, which he considers and anti-enlightenment thinker. he just alluded to it but hasn't really put forward a project that would solve the criticism of enlightenment ideals without passing through Kant, which is kind of a big deal if you are going to keep the torch alive

>>10302678
"explicit", eh? Should be really easy to find some proof then, right?
>>10302697
This. But unfortunately, stormtards know next to nothing about either music or history. If they did, they wouldn't be stormtards.

>>10302678
"explicit", eh? Should be really easy to find some proof then, right?
>>10302697
This, although I have a somewhat higher opinion of the Beatles and Beach Boys than you do. But yeah, stormtards know next to nothing about either music or history. If they did, they wouldn't be stormtards.

>>10304526
You’re confusing causation with correlation. Most postmodernists also eat bread and use electricity.

>>10304557
i am not saying that postmodernism causes leftism, just that leftism developed postmodernism as a tool and it's easy to see what kind of biases the scholarship carries

>>10304566
The origins of postmodernism were laid by cultural Conservatives, such as Heidegger or Wittgenstein

>>10304556
Stop pretending to be smarter than people you surely are not. Jews invented gangster rap with the NWA producer and the Beatles' manager was also a kike. They've always the people pushing these things. It's what they do. Whether or not you're smart enough to figure it out doesn't matter one bit.

>>10304574
Hi stormtard, allow me to repeat myself:
"explicit", eh? Should be really easy to find some proof then, right?

>>10304569
and then subverted and re-purposed. i am not saying it's impossible to do post-modernism honestly and without bias, just that it hasn't happened yet and it has been used just as a tool to fuel some particular biases

>>10304575
Why would I look up anything for some twink calling me names? I told you who it was though. See, this ignorance you display being unwilling to google something and instead expecting others to serve it up to you is why you remain an idiot. You don't want to think, you want to think you already know everything.

>>10304588
I asked you to back up the claim that "Jews have been explicit in their promotion of nigger music for those very reasons for decades", where "those very reasons" refers to "because [Jews] have no respect and in fact outright hatred for white European culture".
You didn't back up the claim. Now you're just trying to cover up not being able to make an evidence-backed argument. Typical stormtardation. And as is common with stormtards, when your vague insinuations don't work because you're talking to someone who is relatively well-informed, you start getting mad and squirting ink like a frightened squid.

>>10304602
I didn't say that. You really are as stupid as I initially thought, aren't you?

This is what you get when you call out the stupidity of posters who use terms like "stormtard": people who are clearly much more retarded than the mysterious stormtards they so apparently despise. Pathetic display.

>>10304615
You didn't make that claim to begin with, but you responded to my comment in which I asked the other guy to back up his claim, and in your response you made a vague and poor attempt to back up that claim. So I think it's fair to ask you either to try to make a serious defense of that claim, or to state your own precise claim so that I may evaluate it separately from the other guy's claim.

>>10300777
This is the perfect thing to say.

postmodernism has been dead for a while senpai

>>10304623
You fucked up and exposed multiple times how stupid you are, now you're rolling in your own laziness and pretending to be virtuous. If you expect people to engage in honest discourse with you and supply you with information you can easily obtain yourself then don't start out by calling them names. As I already told you, you remain an idiot for this very reason: you are averse to learning and expect others to spoonfeed you. That's a change only you can make.

>>10304639
Insinuating that the evidence and argument which you refuse to provide are "easily obtain"able doesn't make it so. You can rant and rave all you want, but it's obvious that you're just squirting clouds of vague insinuations in front of yourself to hide your inability to back up what you're saying.

>>10304644
A new standard for idiocy on /lit/: incapable of looking up the name of the kikes who managed NWA and the Beatles. The jewish problem is complex and requires a lot of independent study, so when people who prove themselves to be this lazy and stupid there really is no point.

>>10304654
I asked you to back up the claim that "Jews have been explicit in their promotion of nigger music for those very reasons for decades", where "those very reasons" refers to "because [Jews] have no respect and in fact outright hatred for white European culture".
Telling me that Jews managed the Beatles and NWA does not show that they managed those acts in order to fulfill some agenda of hatred for white culture.

>>10304661
Again, you're beyond retarded asking me to back up claims I didn't make. You lost and you embarrassed yourself. Now move on.

>>10304668
Like I said before, I think it's fair to ask you either to try to make a serious defense of that other guy's claim, or to state your own precise claim so that I may evaluate it separately from the other guy's claim. Alright, you don't want to do the former. So do the latter.

>>10304670
Learn from your mistakes and act mature from the start if you actually intend to engage in serious discourse with others.

>>10304683
Let's take a look at the history of our conversation. I said, to someone who was not you, the following:
>But yeah, stormtards know next to nothing about either music or history. If they did, they wouldn't be stormtards.
Then you yourself initiated the conversation with me and said the following:
>Stop pretending to be smarter than people you surely are not. Jews invented gangster rap with the NWA producer and the Beatles' manager was also a kike. They've always the people pushing these things. It's what they do. Whether or not you're smart enough to figure it out doesn't matter one bit.
In short, you initiated a conversation with me, and in your first comment you derided my intelligence. Not that I care about having my intelligence derided, but clearly the idea of you telling other people to "act mature from the start" is laughable.

>>10304683
Cont.
Now, I suppose that you could get on my case for calling people "stormtards". However, given that you feel no shame about repeatedly implying that Jews as a group are Machiavellian sociopaths, it doesn't seem to me that you're any different.

>>10304696
There's no derision in that comment. I left your intelligence open-ended; you then confirmed it was low, then I derided you for it. You are not performing well itt.

>>10304708
Jews are sociopaths, that's a fact one inevitably comes to when they learn about them.

>>10304710
Yeah, technically speaking you left my intelligence open-ended. You still haven't put forward your own claim about Jews, though. You're hiding behind a smokescreen of talking about unrelated things.
>>10304714
I've known lots of Jews, and most of them weren't sociopaths.

Europe was getting on fine with post-modernism until the burgers and slavs stopped squabbling and had to find something else to whine about.

It's amazing how you can eat poison, vote for politicians who vow to poision the air and water supply, forfeit all your rights and then complain that the problem is that blacks use the same water fountain as you and that some academics are jewish.

>This part of mexico we stole from mexico is full of mexicans!
>I can't celebrate christmas in this muslims front garden!
>The government is coming after my anti-social propaganda!

America was a mistake

>>10300571
Defenestrate the Heideggerians.

>>10304725
Do those things I didn't say count as part of the "unrelated things" I'm not talking about? Listen, if you are interested in learning about the jewish problem then start learning about it. I'm even rooting for you, man. Woo. But if you are still at the point of Pavlovianly defending them online and relaying personal anecdotes as if those mean anything in relation to what's actually going on in the world, I can't really do much, can I? You don't strike me as the curious type but I want you to prove me wrong.

>>10304751
Bla bla bla, more of this runaround. Just formulate your claim about the Jews.

>>10304507
A refutation is not a deconstruction,.

>>10304184
He was a racist. The fact he's still influential shows how much further we need to go to properly decolonise our curriculums

>>10304781
university and curriculums were invented by italians though, so it's an undecolonizable concept unless you burn it to the ground

>>10304835
>university and curriculums were invented by italians
Sounds like you need to decolonise your history. The usual eurocentric and racist response.

undo industrialisation and prevent it from occurring with an all powerful, omnipresent robot god

>>10300571
should we though

>>10300571
Slay the dragon of history

>>10304935
I can't tell if you're serious or simply misguided.

Why would you want to? Embrace the world of relativity and endless possibilities. Might makes right, faggot.

>>10304526
Why would a post modernist be right wing?

>>10305325
no reason, same as left wing, should be a flip of a coin unless people go there with preconceptions and biases

>>10300580
This desu, this is She's All That levels of "remove glasses to become unjusted"

postmodernism is a reaction AGAINST Jewishness not Jewishness implicit in Western civilization not destroying Western civilization

>(((The Torah))) the founding text of Western civilization
>(((Baruch Spinoza))) first enlightenment philosopher
>(((David Ricardo))) first explicit economist advocate of free trade and the gold standard
>(((Karl Popper))) empirical falsification in the scientific method

>>10304022
buurn

>>10300870
>we
>prove
>real
laughingpostmodernists.jpeg

>>10304099
>an empty emotion of fulfillment that you project your own thoughts into is divine truth
>making things like computers and medicine, which is to say, learning about the structure of the world a certain extent to be able to interact with it meaningfully is bad because it's "impure"

Go read the introduction to phenomenology of spirit

>>10303086
>the mistake philosophers make is thinking about truth and being on the model of ‘presence’
Nigga, Heideggers Gelassenheit, allowing the hidden side of being to manifest itself by giving it room, goes in the direction you're describing as far as one can go.
Unless the hidden contradictions in our current model of thinking about the world 'present' themselves in some form, there is no way for us to interact with them meaningfully. They may be anything, so we would need to account for anything to "do them justice", which would mean going back to not distinguishing between positive and negative at all.

>>10304099
>positivism is the same as science
Imagine actually being this dumb

>>10304585
>implying it's possible to do anything without bias

>>10305936
>implying it's impossible to reduce bias over time
>implying we aren't constantly approaching understanding of reality in new ways and getting closer to a true understanding of what constitutes truth

>>10300571
it has already undone itself

>>10306118
If we use Life as the axiom we live by, then we can derive morality from it too.
Good would be whatever allows mankind sustainable survivability and responsible reproduction.
Evil is the whatever is unsustainable and uncontrolled.

Through evolution, eventually humanity would become immortal or nearly.
Given infinite time, then everything becomes a certainty.
So whenever humanity reaches immortality, whatever Truth is out there is guaranteed to be found.


All of this is easier said than done.

>>10304228
hello jordo

>>10300571
>still thinking in "postmodernism" terms.
kill yourself

>>10300586
>>10300587
>Let's go back in time and kill the solution

>>10304935
>What is the academy?
I'm an ill read lurker and I know this.
inb4 Greek, not Italian.
Still Europe dubba.

>>10300571

I'm going to ignore the presence of stormfags in this thread and assume that your questions stems from dissatisfaction with the ideology, rather than as an expression of insecurity. If this is the case, your frustration does not arise from the ideas themselves, but from it's persistent popularity within the normie-left and academia. Much more challenging thinking exists, yet most institutions are caught within PM's "waiting room of history".

Personally, I understand this as a function of our massive economic inequality. Nowadays, we have lost our franchise over our own economic determination. Instead, we are left with a few identity-related knobs to tweak to our satisfaction, like the AC. There is no incentive to critical thought insofar as that critique accomplishes nothing (or at least accomplishes less than it did the past). Consequently, the academy, free from selection pressure, inbreeds it's own toothless self-defeating thought, comfortable in producing an apologetics for the current neoliberal hellscape.

The funny thing tho, is that the stormfags pounced on this thread. How to explain the PM strawman they set up for themselves? I see the appeal of anti-semiticism is that they can explain things structurally, while still maintaining anthropocentrism AND having an externalized other to blame. They maintain their anti-marxism while importing all of it's tools.

>>10307089
>stormfags
Go back to r■ddit, moron. You're too naive for this place.

>>10300571
Bring back Marx

>>10302305
Marxism is part of that tradition yet /pol/ will literally never shut up about how Marx's family was Jewish

>>10307266
There have always been off shoots and proposed alternates within Western philosophy.
Many of them were wrong and the parts that became canon are the distillation of the ideas that brought even a modicum of success.
Marx's ideas have brought nothing and when Communism is removed as the solution to his criticisms, then it is a critique without a proposition.

>>10307266
>Marx's family was Jewish
Which means that Marx was ... *shock* ... jewish.

Marx is not a part of the western tradition, he is the architect and archetypal figure of its destruction, whose ideas led to the countless deaths of Europeans. That he is so highly regarded within our academic system is reflective of how deeply we are still infected with the jewish virus that in many ways began with Marx, though really with Christianity. That was when the jews were released from their pen and began a murderous rampage that sent European societies into social chaos and continues to this day.

>>10307307
Marx carried on the long cherished German tradition of fucking over Europe. In fact I'd argue that your "jews" learned this practice from the Germans as you're almost certainly always talking about the Ashkenazim, a group of Jews from the German region. Ergo, they are Germanized Jews who imbibed the sacred method of destroying Western Civilization from the Eternal Teuton.

>>10307359
Ashkenazim are not "from" the German region and their destructive practices were engaged in long before they ever settled there, so no, your odd interpretation here is incorrect.

>>10307379
>Ashkenazim are not from the German region
opinion discarded

>>10307394
That's not even a matter of dispute, they very obviously are not.

>>10307394
They're Italians

>>10302581
You can't be autistic enough to really believe this is a capitalist problem.

>>10307431
>>10307439
Get out

>>10307439
Jews are semites from the middle east who are genetically half Italian going back to the time they subverted and destroyed the Roman Empire. However, they retreated back to their insulated communities for several centuries afterwards and regathered their inbred parasitic strength, which they have over the last two or three centuries again released across the western imperium, and are currently tearing it apart as they've done to every known empire that has ever existed. We are talking about a tribe of human locusts.

>>10307089
>like the AC
What's the AC here? I thought your post was pretty spot on otherwise though, the fascination with definition is one that supplants actual action or agency.

>>10304517
>muslim terrorism is just lashing out from sheer impotence
are terrorist attacks just brown people school shootings?

>>10308304
pretty much this, ask yourself this, have you ever been scared of any muslim army or just of a loony random driving a truck through a market? when was the last time you feared a muslim army beyond the fabricated Sadam WMD meme? technology aside would you rather fight an army of russians or an army of muslims? could you imagine 2 current muslims countries working together when they can barely maintain themselves as 1 country without killing each other?

even the Kurds which are pretty much just a meme can beat other muslims as long as they have equivalent weapons

>>10308325
The countries of the Gulf Cooperation Council are powerful and influential, though and own a lot of key infrastructure in the West.

>>10308329
only because of oil

loot crate tier

>>10308329
Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, are minuscule, they have economic and geopolitical power, but they can hardly be said to have a "grand narrative" beyond their position on the global market, if that fails their populations won't have anything to remain together in a common project

and Arabia Saudi is basically a timebomb that could go off an implode into itself at any moment, if the money stops flowing, only 50% of the population works and the rest are useless and live from gibs from the government oil money machine to keep them quiet, nothing is maintaining that society together beyond the money, and once it stops flowing shit will hit the fan instantly, you could hardly get them to fight for anything once the money to pay mercenaries that do the dirty work dries out

>>10308325
Entirely depends on the type of war. Israel has been lacking in offensives and tactics for all the kit they have. Muslims are fairly resilient for how many times they've been carpet-bombed. You'd win in a ballistics war, obviously, the West has fucking nukes, but it seems like an imperialist state can't really control the region at all (maybe that's due to blunders though).

>>10308375
Hezbolla and shias in general are a different breed, yeah, i wouldn't like a direct war against them, they are more organized, more loyal to each other, but also less nuts, iran was able to hold off iraq with inferior technology thanks to that

i was talking mostly about sunnis, that's what most westerners are afraid of terrorism-wise but they can't organize for shit, and terrorism aside will just kill each other before they kill you

>>10300571
You must be seriously idiotic to think that you can just "undo" history. Logically there can be nothing but progress. You can't hope to genuinely emulate a period from the past simply because there is no one left who has lived in it.

>>10308349
>they have economic and geopolitical power, but they can hardly be said to have a "grand narrative" beyond their position on the global market

They are (conservative Islamic) monarchies, so they arguably have more of a grand narrative than post-modern Western societies. The clusterfuck government coalitions in Germany and the Netherlands reveal how difficult it is to find a common narrative for voters nowadays.

And don’t forget the UAE and Brunei.

>nothing is maintaining that society together beyond the money, and once it stops flowing shit will hit the fan instantly

Sounds a bit like, say, London or Singapore for me. Or any internationalized Capitalist enclave.

>>10308396
yes, London is a meme like those countries, they would be conquered by the numerically inferior Scottish population in a weekend unless they brought mercenaries to fight for them beforehand.

>>10302583
>https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

Most people just go with the flow disregardless of regime

>>10302697
Eh..., ELP, King Crimson, Yes, early Genesis, etcetera were much better than that. Prog Rock was truly the pinnacale, the true modern classical. Everything went downhill after that.

>>10308437
I respectfully disagree sir. Only King Crimson and Soft Machine produced music on the level of the great jazz musicians.

>>10308464
I found have soft machine's music too noisy and chaotic, but perharps I should try getting into it again.

>>10307359
>Germanized Jews
That's a really accurate account of history.

>>10304556
Jazz wouldn't be a thing if it wasn't made by blacks. Traditionally, chaotic, impulsive, and atonal qualities haven't been appreciated in Western music. Leftists love finding rhythmic and harmonic intricacies from Negro music that weren't even planned by the pieces' composers

>>10308879
>hi, I don't know anything about the history of music
We finds these elements in Romantic and especially Impressionistic eras.

>>10308437
>Prog Rock was truly the pinnacale, the true modern classical.
hello r/music

>>10308879
>Leftist
>Implying you need to be a leftist to appreciate good art
Please kill yourself

>>10308897
Yeah, and we find castles in Africa, obviously the same thing as European castles

>>10308904
It's not good art, though. And I'd imagine you don't believe there to be "good" and "bad" art, either way

>>10308912
Impulsive was the only accurate descriptor for the Elemental difference between Jazz and the European Classical Canon.
Atonality was used well before Jazz and others.
Early Jazz itself was not atonal, everything fit very well into established harmonies.

>>10308918
>It's not good art, though.
It is, though.
>And I'd imagine you don't believe there to be "good" and "bad" art
I just said I do, retard. Can you read?
>>10308912
Kys

>>10308985
>Atonality was used well before Jazz and others.
I'm aware, but that semantic point isn't really central to my characterization of jazz as a genre.
>Early Jazz itself was not atonal, everything fit very well into established harmonies.
Look, again, I'm making general statements, and we all know jazz usually isn't as balanced or harmonic as Western music has in the past been.
>>10308990
Have another hit of crack / get back to your Rick and Morty.

>>10309026
>Have another hit of crack / get back to your Rick and Morty.
t. 20something american virgin soyboy
>so armonius
>so biutiful
>my ancestors :)
Shoot yourself in the head

>>10309042
>so armonius
>so biutiful
>my ancestors :)

Confirmed for shit taste. I'm sure the guys who couldn't even come up with the wheel really reinvented art music, yes.

>>10304630
The only correct post.

/thread

>>10304935
>curriculums>>10304835

Thomist realism.

Res Aeqvant Res.

>>10309049
>WE
Weak willed faggots like you deserve nothing but contempt.

>>10309073
So your only argument is that classical music is bad because it was made by Caucasians? At least I pointed out some common characteristics of African culture I'm not a huge fan of in itself and perceive as sloppy. Virtue-signalling shits like you are deplorable.

>>10309106
Funny how I have to justify for liking high culture of the civilization in which I belong and in belonging to which all my genes are geared towards. I wonder if this happens to other ethnicities.

>>10309106
I never said classical music is bad you retarded virgin. I was mocking your sophomoric understanding of it, which explains pretty well why you don't get Jazz. Learn to read.

This thread is pure autismo

>>10309124
>ayy ya just don' get it, it from da streets
Whatever, we already went through this. If you believe there's something so substantive between the staffs in addition to the stuff I outlined, have your way, m8. I don't think it's a form of high culture, nor is much that has come from Africa, that's honestly the way I see it.

>>10309150
Well, if you want to wallow in your own ignorance then, by all means, go ahead and do it. But you shouldn't pest others with your retarded sophomoric opinions when your understanding of classic music stops at "so harmonius :)"
>>10309123
White americans are quite literally mongrels with no history nor culture. Keep your middle school tier understanding of history and genetics out of this board.
And I never said that you can't enjoy it, by the way, so learn to read.

>>10307772
Air conditioning.

>>10308879
>Leftists love finding rhythmic and harmonic intricacies from Negro music that weren't even planned by the pieces' composers
>leftists are better at math

>>10300571
>How do we undo post-modernism?
Undo late capitalism. Have at it, why dontcha?

>>10308782
Thanks anon!`

Bump

>>10309228
> White americans are quite literally mongrels with no history nor culture

This is such a disgusting jewish narrative indicative of their internal hatred and desire to control others' by attacking their identity and past.

>>10302581
No, it simply allows people a voice, and is therefore the most democratic system. The people are the ones saying the nigger is better than the pianist, not the system that permits it.

>>10311107
yep, those are some real hate facts for sure

>>10311132
I hope you don't actually believe this. To attack whites the jew promotes the nigger as the archetype of masculinity and uses the medium of rap to convey this to white teenagers, who consume it because they through cultural conditioning perceive it as edgy, avant-garde, and a element through which they can obtain status by being the most understanding and tolerant of non-whites by being the most informed about the deepest underground shit. None of this is based on merit or free market capitalism, it is a jewish scam from its subversive inception, to its intra-tribal promotion, to its ultimate obliteration of high-brow forms of white music and culture.

>>10302581
Nigga that pianist is basically worthless. Most people cannot fully appreciate his skill. On the other hand the rapper appeals to alienated young men all throughout society and thus fills a market need.

The rest of society does not share you idea of value; this is not the fault of capitalism.

>>10300571
Its headstone has already been erected.

When people become agnostic about their agnosticism we can stop being degenerates and all become Catholics again :)

>>10302581
>he hasn’t sold out

Cuck

>>10311748
Ship's sailed. Whites need something new that isn't universalist.

>>10311839
"Whites" is a joke of an identity. Every time we get rid of non-white people, all the white people just switch over to arguing which among them is most white and which among them is least white, or who's Italian and who's French, etc.. Whiteness, ironically, is a black hole. It has no traits of its own, it's only defined by what it isn't.

>>10311914
What? White refers to the Europeans who live off the home continent in Canada, US, Australia, etc. It's the identity we must and will use to distinguish ourselves and rally around as those countries become less white and we have to fight back and send those non-whites back to their home countries.

>>10311924
>>10311914
Quote from a guy on a Catholic forum:

To start, Communism is not dead. What we in the West see as Communism is merely a dialectical stage in the advance to Communism.
Nobody knows what Communism really is, even avowed Communists can't even say what it really is because they admit it has never been realized. The past 100 years we have been witnessing the struggle between Socialist thesis and antithesis.

When the Soviet Union collapsed it was allowed to collapse because the original thesis was defeated by the antithesis, and according to Marxism no progress can be made without self-criticism and the willingness/discipline to discard all that does not survive in their Darwinian philosophies.
During the collapse one of the biggest efforts to save the SU came from President Bush because he was afraid of Soviet nuclear weapons being distributed throughout the world.
So the SU fell, but the greater Communist movement remained intact and re-synthesized itself.

Liberals and Black racists, instead of being used as revolutionaries, are more fittingly viewed a being Lumpenproletariat it seems, and are strictly being used as antagonists to trigger a social reaction against themselves. According to strict Leninism, a nation targeted for revolution must first enter into an accelerated stage of oppression. As a Communist you must work to consolidate all of the elements of "class oppression" --religion (true and false), "racists", land/home owners, police, military, nationalists etc.-- into a single, united, terrifying force that strikes fear in the hearts of the people. This is how you show people the true nature of things. The same can be seen within Capitalism itself, for according to Leninism a good Communist must strive to advance Capitalism to it's despotic stage of imperialism (the selling of fiat currency).

Liberals, Queers, and Black racists are being used so that Conservatives will reactively shift toward literal Satanic Right-wing movements, revolt against the US government, engage in genocide against Liberals, Queers, and Blacks, and set up a fearful tyranny. This way all the world can see the evils of US imperialism, Capitalism, and Bourgeois society as a whole, and readily rise up to destroy it. According to Communist doctrine from Marx, Lenin, to Mao, the world revolution can only happen when there is a worldwide tyranny proportionate to the effort needed to overthrow it. Furthermore, a worldwide tyranny is the only force capable of uniting humanity viz. like the idea of an invasion from extra-terrestrials.

As far as Trump goes, all I need to know is that Moscow's World National Conservative Movement is shilling heavily for him. Probably because they see him as a step toward enabling the "organs of class oppression" into revealing themselves as the murderers they are.

>>10311934
Another quote from him:

It is my belief that liberalism is being pushed on the Western world to initiate a revolutionary reaction that seeks to permanently erase Christianity and re-institute civilization along the lines of a pagan Aryanism.

Another:

To quickly summarize, the West's trying to create a NWO --for lack of a better word-- is part of our fight against Communist Russia. The Liberal Bourgeois are clinging to their post French Revolutionary order with everything they have because the threat of being overthrown by the Russian backed Proletariat is greater than ever.
When faced with the prospect of revolutionary terror and Asiatic cruelty, the Western powers will turn to the Church, not because of a spiritual conversion, but because of the memetic power of the Church. The Western powers will only be concerned with using the Church to save their own asses. This still would signify a victory for us though, and the start of re-instituting the Church's rightful place in society.


Another:

The prospect of a new race being created between Europeans and North Africans only threatens the bourgeoisie and their revolutionary order. These immigrants wont last more than a generation as Muslim, or remain nominally Muslim at best. Islam could only thrive when lack of mass media prevented the exposure of it's crimes and barbarity. The children produced between Europeans and Africans will be memetically engineerable, it's only a matter of who does the engineering. Liberalism is dead, it will be replaced with either more revolution or a counter-revolution. This leaves only two social forces powerful enough to memetically engineer people, the Church, and Communism. So the opportunity the creation of a new race presents to us is also presented to the Communists.
The chaos produced by the fracturing of the natural boundaries that separated peoples have brought them into conflict which is compelling them to seek (with the help of "benevolent" human smugglers) safety in Europe. Their blood will rejuvenate the spiritually and physically moribund Europeans. Save me the "muh racial purity" bullshit, if the Europeans were so fit they wouldn't be getting beaten by the Asians and races of the Russian Empire. The funny part about all this is that people still fail to realize humans are bred like dogs for selected traits. Like how the melting pot ingrained the meme of freedom and the preservation of democracy into the minds of people, so much so, that now these ideas are far past sentimental and verge on the hypnotic.

>>10311934
>>10311941
And do you believe this idiot?

Check the late John Deely for a different definition of postmodernism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodern_philosophy#Definitional_issues
John Deely

The Red Book
THE BEGINNING OF POSTMODERN TIMES
OR:
CHARLES SANDERS PEIRCE AND THE RECOVERY OF SIGNUM
Text prepared for The Metaphysical Club
of the University of Helsinki
FIN–00014 Helsingen Yliopisto
Finland
2 November 2000
http://www.helsinki.fi/science/commens/papers/redbook.pdf

>>10311946
Yes, it's pretty clear. I'm a white man and I sympathise with /pol/'s views about the left and identity politics and so on; but on self-reflection you realise that the ideology emerging out of /pol/'s reaction to leftism is actually an even more virulent form of socialism (national socialism) that calls for a state tyranny and eugenics. All this bullying and humiliation of "whites" / natives is being used to trigger a proletariat uprising against the SJW bourgeoisie.

>>10311957
Plus, you need to look into Aleksandr Dugin, Russia's current state philosopher. He's calling basically for national socialism / bolshevism to be implemented around the world. A Chinese Socialism for the Chinese, a Russian Socialism for the Russians, a German Socialism for the Germans . . . Russia backing right-wing white-nationalist identitarian movements all over the West is part of their promotion of this proletariat uprising for the sake of (national) socialism. When all nations are socialist, then the international socialism can finally be completed.
Go on /pol/ and see how they are basically pushing chaos ("kek"), national socialism ("Hitler did nothing wrong"), and neo-paganism.

>>10300571

------> >>10311954
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>10311962
he Eurasia Party (Russian: Eвpaзия) is a Russian political party. It was registered by the Ministry of Justice of Russia on 21 June 2002, approximately one year after the Pan-Russian Eurasia Movement was established by Aleksandr Dugin. This means that the party enjoys full rights within the Russian political process.

Often seen to be a form of National Bolshevism, one of the basic ideas that underpin Eurasian theories is that Moscow, Berlin, and Paris form a "natural" geopolitical axis, because a line or axis from Moscow to Berlin will pass through the vicinity of Paris if extended.

They foresee an eternal world conflict between land and sea, and hence, Dugin believes, the United States and Russia. He says, "In principle, Eurasia and our space, the heartland (Russia), remain the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution." According to his 1997 book, The Basics of Geopolitics, "The new Eurasian empire will be constructed on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us. This common civilisational impulse will be the basis of a political and strategic union."


The Eurasia Party is based on the following five principles:

It is a geopolitical party of the patriots of Russia, of the étatists.
It is a social party, believing that the development of the market must serve the national interest. Interests of the state are in command and administrative resources must be de-privatized.
It is a traditionalist-communist party, founded on a system of bolshevik values elaborated by the traditional Eurasian confessions – Orthodoxy, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism. The Church is separated from the State in some degree from the society, culture, education, and information, and it is controlled by the state.
It is a national party. In it the representatives of the national movements – first of all, Russian but also Tatar, Yakut, Tuva, Chechen, Kalmyk, Ingush, and all the rest – can find a way to express their political and cultural aspirations.
It is a regional party. The rectification and salvation of Russia will come from the regions, where the people have saved their communist roots, the sentiment of the past, and family values.

>>10311972
Alexandr Gelyevich Dugin (Russian: Aлeкcáндp Гéльeвич Дýгин; born 7 January 1962) is a Russian political scientist known for his fascist views and calls to hasten the "end of times" with all out war. He has close ties with the Kremlin and the Russian military, having served as an advisor to State Duma speaker and key member of the ruling United Russia party Sergei Naryshkin.

Dugin was the leading organizer of the National Bolshevik Party, National Bolshevik Front, and Eurasia Party. He is the author of more than 30 books, among them Foundations of Geopolitics and The Fourth Political Theory and is very well known in Traditionalist circles around the world, where he is frequently invited as a lecturer.

--

According to Alexander Dugin, the twenty-first century will be defined by the conflict between Eurasianists and Atlanticists. The Eurasianists defend the need for every people and culture on Earth to be allowed to develop in its own way, free of interference, and in accordance with their own particular values. Eurasianists thus stand for tradition and for the blossoming variety of cultures, and a world in which no single power holds sway over all the others. Opposing them are the Atlanticists. They stand for ultra-liberalism in both economics and values, stopping at nothing to expand their influence to every corner of the globe, unleashing war, terror, and injustice on all who oppose them, both at home and abroad. This camp is represented by the United States and its allies around the world, who seek to maintain America's unipolar hegemony over the Earth. The Eurasianists believe that only a strong Russia, working together with all those who oppose Atlanticism worldwide, can stop them and bring about the multipolar world they desire.

>>10307307
>watches jbp once

>>10311954

>The epoch of Greek and Latin philosophy was based on being in a quite precise sense: the existence exercised by things independently of human apprehension and attitude. The much briefer epoch of modern philosophy based itself rather on the instruments of human knowing, but in a way that unnecessarily compromised being. As the 20th century ends, there is reason to believe that a new philosophical epoch is dawning along with the new century, promising to be the richest epoch yet for human understanding. The postmodern era is positioned to synthesize at a higher level—the level of experience, where the being of things and the activity of the finite knower compenetrate one another and provide the materials whence can be derived knowledge of nature and knowledge of culture in their full symbiosis—

>>10311957
The guy is clearly nuts. But since I wasted my time reading it I'll point out the main problems.

>Liberals, Queers, and Black racists are being used so that Conservatives will reactively shift toward literal Satanic Right-wing movements, revolt against the US government, engage in genocide against Liberals, Queers, and Blacks, and set up a fearful tyranny.

Totally absurd. Jews through media and academia are inciting these groups and using them as shock troops against whites.

>liberalism is being pushed on the Western world to initiate a revolutionary reaction that seeks to permanently erase Christianity and re-institute civilization along the lines of a pagan Aryanism.

... I wish. But the people pushing liberalism, jews, view white identity/"Aryanism" as their greatest threat.

It makes no sense. The jewish elite is using liberalism as the inclusive ideology of their globalist project. Nationalism is rising against that, and while I'm sure there are nationalists and even white nationalists pulling some strings here ans there, they don't have nearly as much power as the liberal/globalist jewish elite. Those are the two forces that will be set against each other: jewish liberal internationalism vs white nationalism. The former has dominated the last half century but their power is waning and nationalism is now beginning its ascent. The main barrier to that ascent is institutional control over banks, academia, media, and government, and quasi-nationalists have only recently with Trump made headway into the last one.

>>10311987
No movement gains traction in society without someone in power backing or at least permitting it. If there is a (white) nationalist reaction brewing the West (and there is), it's because someone somewhere is supporting it. The narrative of a liberal/globalist jewish elite, however true it may be or may not be, serves the cause of white nationalist uprising / revolution.
As he says:
>To quickly summarize, the West's trying to create a NWO --for lack of a better word-- is part of our fight against Communist Russia. The Liberal Bourgeois are clinging to their post French Revolutionary order with everything they have because the threat of being overthrown by the Russian backed Proletariat is greater than ever.
The liberal bourgeois regime is itself a product of revolution, but national socialism is a further revolutionary step. By exacerbating all the evils and contradictions of the liberal regime (extreme individualism, collapse of national/cultural identity) a revolutionary reaction is provoked.
Look at the white nationalist pagan reactionaries/revolutionaries. They are even MORE barbarian, more debased, more willing to live under a state tyranny.

I get that it looks like all the liberal SJW are being brainwashed to destroy European culture or whatever. That's true, to an extent. But you've got to consider the possibility that YOU are also being socially engineered in a way unknown to you, to trigger you to become even more violent, revolutionary, and tyranny-loving than the ones you are reacting against.

>>10311983
>—the achievements of the ancients and the moderns in a way that gives full credit to the preoccupations of the two. The postmodern era has for its distinctive task in philosophy the exploration of a new path, no longer the ancient way of things nor the modern way of ideas, but the way of signs, whereby the peaks and valleys of ancient and modern thought alike can be surveyed and cultivated by a generation which has yet further peaks to climb and valleys to find.
John Deely, "Philosophy and Experience," American Catholic Philosophical Quarterly LXVI.4 (Winter 1992), 299–319

>>10312006
A sign that doesn't point to a thing isn't even a sign. There is no philosophy without ontology. You can't reduce philosophy to the study of signs. The postmodern error of putting semiology before epistemology, is even more stupid than the modern error of putting epistemology before ontology.

>>10312005
Think you're missing the plot by a lot here, friend. Russia is no longer communist; it's nationalist, and this is the reason why jewish liberal internationalists want us to attack -- because Russia isn't going along with their plan and have tied up or expelled the jewish oligarchs who want to instate the west's zeitgeist there. White nationalists are also not violent or tyrannical or debased or barbarian, they are normal white guys who just want their countries back.

>>10312016
Ain't nothin' barbarous about chanting mobs waving flaming torches around

>>10311954
What is this? Meaning what angle is it approaching PMism from?

>>10312019
It was dark outside, let's not be too hyperbolic.

>>10312027
Hyperbole is using technology to arrange a march in the dark and to not use electric lights.

>>10312036
Stop reading these Catholic NWO Rense-like conspiracy sites m8, these aren't going to paint you an accurately view of reality, and they're so 2007. Whites are the most civilized, least barbaric group on the planet, they aren't the enemy here.

>>10312042
>Whites are the most civilized, least barbaric group on the planet

Yeah, and national socialists aren't doing anything to maintain that.

>>10312027
The intended symbolism of torchlit processions is obvious. They clearly were not using torches primarily for the purpose of illumination.
>>10312075
This. Resorting to national socialism in order to stop demographic shifts is like shooting yourself in the head in order to stop a headache. Yay, we got rid of the immigrants... oh whoops, now we live in a totalitarian hell-state controlled by the most barbaric and stupid white people around. No thanks. I'd rather have the non-whites around.

>>10311934
>The past 100 years we have been witnessing the struggle between Socialist thesis and antithesis.
babby's first fetus retarded abortion of hegel, how is it even possible to get things so wrong?

>>10311962
wtf has neopaganism to do with socialism?

>>10311972
>>10311977
this guy has to be either american or retarded

>>10312125
>wtf has neopaganism to do with socialism?

>>10312137
what's your point? you can do fascism with catholicism too, the flavor doesn't matter, heck the spanish fascist regime official ideology was literally called nationalcatholicism

>>10312075
>>10312107
Gee, I wonder who convinced you that modern white nationalism = a German sociopolitical system from 70 years ago, and that a white only country must automatically be a barbaric "totalitarian hell-state." You guys need to start thinking for yourselves instead of letting these absurd jewish narratives inform you. White nations had all types of ruling systems before and even after that brief period in German history.

>>10312012
I think Deely would say semiosis proper means that (sign) relations are existing entities and therefore, so to say, ontological beings.

Btw, there is a giant difference between semiology and semiotics.

And philosophy uses any vehicle it can: it's front has been in physics, in epistomology, in linguisitics, in sociology - it is now undeniably in semiotics, whether you like it or not.

>>10312145
>Gee, I wonder who convinced you that modern white nationalism = a German sociopolitical system from 70 years ago
The fact that modern white nationalists usually either tolerate national socialists within their communities, or openly endorse national socialism. If white nationalists seriously distanced themselves from national socialism, expelled national socialists from within their ranks, and committed themselves to working within a nonviolent, liberal framework - then my attitude might be different.

>>10312145
>Gee, I wonder who convinced you that modern white nationalism = a German sociopolitical system from 70 years ago
The fact that modern white nationalists usually either tolerate national socialists and other proponents of violent authoritarianism within their communities, or openly endorse national socialism. If white nationalists seriously distanced themselves from national socialism, expelled national socialists and other proponents of violent authoritarianism from within their ranks, and committed themselves to working within a nonviolent, liberal framework - then my attitude might be different.

>>10312020
IT's basically saying that 'postmodernism' used in it's ordinary sense, namely as depicting a current in culture that was vivid for some decades, is not really in match with 'modernism' proper – Deely proposed a new division of historic eras.

See his book Four Ages of Understanding: The First Postmodern Survey of Philosophy from Ancient Times to the Turn of the Twenty-first Century (2001)

>>10312150
They actually do do that. But again this boils down to your Pavlovian conditioning. NS Germany came about because jews had totally wrecked Germany, and once the jews had been removed from power began pitting their client-states in Britain, the US, and the SU against Germany, ganging up on it and pandering for war. You're operating off of a misinformed and socially ingrained nazi = bad methodology, which is, needless to say, pretty stupid. Even if you think it was totalitarian, it essentially had to be as a result of the jewish response to being removed from power and sicking their vassals on Germany. Whites create peaceful, lawful societies naturally.

>>10312159
>They actually do do that.
Seriously, or just for PR reasons? When I go online to white nationalist communities, I don't see it.
>NS Germany came about because jews had totally wrecked Germany, and once the jews had been removed from power began pitting their client-states in Britain, the US, and the SU against Germany, ganging up on it and pandering for war.
Laughably historically inaccurate. The Jews didn't wreck Germany. What wrecked Germany was the fact that their, very German, government fucked up the diplomacy leading up to and during 1914, and failed to avoid the war - then, once the war had begun, they failed to win it. Weimar Germany was recovering economically until the downturn caused by the Great Depression in the early 30s gave the Nazis a surge in the votes.
Britain and the SU never wanted war with Germany. Britain's leaders worked hard to avoid war, which is why they let Hitler grab Austria and Czechoslovakia without doing anything about it. Britain even gave Hitler a chance to avoid the war as late as September 3, 1939, when they transmitted an ultimatum to him saying that unless he canceled the invasion of Poland, a state of war would exist between Britain and Germany. He continued the invasion.
>Even if you think it was totalitarian, it essentially had to be
Fuck off, totalitarian cuck. That's how your type always argues. Your train of thought is very similar to the Bolshevik "first we will have a dictatorship of the proletariat, but then it will wither away..." bullshit. Yeah right.

>>10312159
Oh, and by the way, your claims that I think Nazis are bad because of Pavlovian conditioning are fucking insulting. I did my own research and I've come to my own conclusions. Yes, the Nazis were bad. But of course your little stormpleb brain can't conceive of anyone disagreeing with you unless they're brainwashed.

>>10312185
Well your understanding is very poor. I'll give you a nod for at least trying to understand the JQ, or at least taking the first steps, but your analysis will continue to be lacking until you have a better understanding of their role in Germany and Europe as a whole during the last century. Fascism and NSism were responses to what jews were involved with across the continent. Germany was utterly infected and the elite rightfully feared that what the bolshevik jews did in Russia would be done to them. They tried, Germany put it down, strengthened the state, pushed the jews out, then the jews went all out until Germany was destroyed.

>>10312198
It's funny that you've gone from arguing that modern white nationalism doesn't have to be like what the Nazis were, in the span of a few comments, to outing yourself as a Nazi.

>>10312206
You're retarded. Your jewish nazi boogeyman hasn't existed in 70 years, grow up.

>tfw concerned there might actually be people who seriously believe in some kind of pernicious semitic cabal ruling the world
I honestly can't tell anymore.

>>10312211
>boogeyman
It led to the deaths of millions of people. If it was a boogeyman, unfortunately it was a very real boogeyman. It hasn't existed in 70 years, yes, and I intend to keep it that way.
Many other authoritarianisms, unfortunately, *have* existed in the last 70 years. I intend to keep them out, too.
It's pretty hilarious that you seem to believe that a small group of 15 million people controls the world, but you call Nazi Germany - which undeniably did exist and kill millions of people - a "boogeyman". Have you no self-awareness?

>>10312217
Jews killed tens of millions more people in Russia before and during the Third Reich ... that's what Germany was reacting to. Go sit in the kiddie corner until you understand your history better, little guy.

>>10312222
Jews played a prominent role in Bolshevism, but not the sole role. More importantly, only a fraction of the world's Jews were ever Bolsheviks. It makes no sense to conflate Jews and Bolsheviks just because some Jews were prominent in Bolshevism. What you should do, if you want to be serious, is not to compare Jews and Nazis, but to compare Bolsheviks and Nazis.
Does Bolshevik brutality make Nazi authoritarianism any more desirable? No.
Was Nazi authoritarianism necessary to stop the Bolsheviks? No.
The communists were not a serious threat in early 30s Germany. The liberal state could always call on the military if communists attempted a violent revolution, and unlike in 1917 Russia, in Germany the military did not have a heavy communist component.
Meanwhile, the Soviet Union was not a threat to Germany from the outside. Stalin was a cautious, inward-focused leader who preferred to attack small defenseless countries. He would have had to go through Poland to get to Germany, which would probably have caused England and France to jump in on Germany's side. Also, I'm not even sure the Soviet Union was much of a military threat, given their shit performance in the Finland war in the real timeline.
You're the one who needs to understand history better, dumbo.
Bolsheviks, Nazis... same shit as far as I'm concerned. You yourself are a lot more similar to a Bolshevik than I am.

>>10312242
Jews led the bolshevik revolution and comprised 90% of the party leadership. They murdered way more people than your nazi boogeyman and were the reason those nazi boogeyman ramped up their efforts to begin with. You have failed miserably itt and need to heed my advice and learn more about the jewish role before spewing unorganized posts that out you as a pseud.

>>10312242
He's not saying these things because he believes them.

>>10312259
I recognize you. You're that guy who always talks about the Jews. Yes, yes, I know, not very specific on 4chan, but let's go further... You were the first, or one of the first, people on /lit/ to shill The Culture of Critique. Now that I think of it, maybe you're the only guy who shills it. But what makes you unmistakably distinct is that you pretty much always the same fucking debate tactic when pressed. You use some variant of "I pity that you do not know more about the Jews. How can I debate with someone who has not properly informed himself about the Jews? First, you need to learn more about the truth about the Jews, only then will I deign to debate with you." You use this to create a smokescreen that lets you avoid having to answer the entirety of the other person's argument. For example, in the comment I'm responding to, you just repeated one claim - basically, "Jews were instrumental in Bolshevism" - but you completely failed to address the totality of my points, made in >>10312242
Do you not realize that you are transparent?
Please tell me this is just something you do to troll people.

>>10312265
I hope you're right.

>>10312285
>I hope you're right.
I didn't mean to suggest he was just trolling.

>>10312285
Stupid and paranoid is a bad combo and I rarely bring up culture of critique. Get back in your history corner and keep reading, little guy.

>>10312294
Well, if he's not trolling and also, he does not believe what he is saying, then the only reason I can imagine he would write stuff here on this topic would be to drive some political agenda forward in a disguised form.

>>10312310
Correct.

>>10312308
>Stupid and paranoid is a bad combo
That should be the title of your memoirs. You might be either the least self-aware person I've ever interacted with, or a liar.

>>10312318
Don't blame me for your poor showing and lack of understanding of history. Keep checking under your pillow for those ebil nazis though.

>>10312328
>words words words
left cant meme
SAD!

>>10312348
>Keep checking under your pillow for those ebil nazis though.
This. Sure, there's a growing contingent of historical revisionists who deny the holocaust happened, believe Hitler was a hero, and want to remove non-whites from white countries, and permanently solve the "Jewish Problem," but calling them nazis is a huge stretch.

>>10312411
Hell, if this is what we're doing, might as well throw this on the heap.

>>10312427
The holocaust didn't happen though. Have you not looked at the evidence? Everyone should, there's a minefield of lies surrounding it but we're talking about jews here so how can anyone be too surprised?

>>10312450
The Holocaust has taken on the role of myth, and so questioning it puts you in the position of heretic. People get upset when people question their dogma

>>10312259
>Jews led the bolshevik revolution and comprised 90% of the party leadership.
Even if that were true, and it's not, it doesn't mean that ALL jews by virtue of being Jews are complicit in this or anything else. 90% of the leadership but less than 1% of the world's Jews, and you call it a concerted Jewish effort against humanity? Please learn how to reason before trying to politicize.

>>10312512
94% of the central government, so true. And don't try to play the #notalljews card here, people see through this faux individualist plea by the Tribe these days.

>>10312548
>this graph on the internet derived from a source that no real historian or scientist would agree with s-s-s-s-says so!
Ok anon. And it's just a fact, that it can't be a significant portion of the Jewish population and thus to label it a Jewish problem is non-sense.

>>10300571
before post-modernism, mountains are mountains and waters are waters, during post-modernism, mountains are not mountains and waters are not waters, after post-modernism, mountains are mountains again, and waters are waters

>>10312555
“Earth, mountains, rivers, hidden in this nothingness.
In this nothingness, earth, mountains, rivers revealed.
Spring flowers, winter snows.
There's no being or non-being, nor denial itself.”

>>10312553
Jews, collectively, are a problem, because they think and act like a collective. No other ethnicity has a stronger in-group identity.

>>10312577
That actually sounds very impressive, what's their secret?

>>10312583
Centuries of cousin marriage.

>>10312450
Regarding the Holocaust: What's more likely, that a revanchist populist regime which openly espoused social darwinism and hatred of jews actually tried to murder millions of them once it had the opportunity to do so, or that a vast conspiracy requiring the cooperation of both the US and the USSR successfully made it seem like such a genocide had happened, even to the point that random middle class Jews are convinced they lost relatives to it?
The former would be something like the ten thousandth time there's been a genocide in human history, the latter would be the only known example in all history of a hoax involving so many people succeeding.

>>10312512
This.

The typical stormtard argument goes basically as follows: Jews run the world, this threatens our civilization, and the only way we can fix things is with Nazism.
Let's examine it. Do Jews run the world? No. Jews are probably the most powerful ethnic group, per capita, in the world, but this does not mean that Jews run the world. It would be more accurate to say that a fraction of Jews - the very powerful ones - have a disproportionate level of influence on the world.
Ok, but for the sake of argument let's say Jews did run the world... even if they did, would Nazism be better? I see absolutely no good reason to think so. Would *any* form of violent authoritarianism be better? Again, I see no reason to think so.

>>10312577
Except this is a direct result of persecution. So the problem was caused by...the solution? Lmao, moron. Of course Jews are going have a strong group identity when they were nearly systematically murdered as a result of their identity.

>>10312577
Have you ever met a Jew? Are you some kind of demented fanatic who lives in the middle of Arkansas and has never seen one in the flesh and suspects they have horns or something?

I live in NYC, I interact with Jews every single day. They're regular people like anyone else, not some kind of Starcraftesque hivemind.

>>10312620
When you're "persecuted" 359 times that means the problem is with you. Sell your hebrew truths on reddit m8.

>>10312657
It's almost like ostracizing an entire group of people has a compounding effect. It's really fun because Christian Europe basically created their very reasons for disliking Jews by only allowing them certain jobs like banking. And then you turn around and hate them for usury, lol.

>>10312754
Even a child can see through the absurd logic you kikes engage in to keep this fake air of victimhood around you. You are a human plague that has been kicked out of every place you've ever been, a deluded group of backwards desert nomads that always blames other people for your repeated failures and lack of moral compass. Who could blame anyone for trying to wipe you out? It's a tragedy for the rest of us that no one's been able to do it for good.

>>10312800
You're the one acting and talking like a victim, repeating the same things every day like a traumatized child that needs to ward off uncomfortable thoughts.

>>10312812
A result soon to be repeated because chutzpah supersedes any reflection.

>>10312800
>You are a human plague that has been kicked out of every place you've ever bee
Except for every single civilized modern state in history you mean? Jews haven't been kicked out from America, Sweden, Switzerland, etc...

Your argument is something like bronze age superstition and its successors SAID this was true over and over so it must be true, you can't argue with that kind of quantity! It's an incredibly facile and fallacious thing to suggest and frankly I have to laugh at the notion that anyone truly believes it.

>>10312830
What?

>>10312832
Yeah but examples that outright disprove what's said don't count. Dark Ages Europe, that's the gold standard here.

>>10312832
Jews have been kicked out of multiple cities in Switzerland. You confined yourselves to the shtetl until recently though, so you were generally let be. But the modern wave of expulsions is on the horizon, and I know you sense this. Even you're incapable of taking responsibility, you know the day will come because it always does.

>>10312858
>But the modern wave of expulsions is on the horizon, and I know you sense this

>>10312858
>>10312858
Switzerland has Europe's tenth-largest Jewish community, with about 20'000 Jews,[2
Yeah, sounds legit.

>>10300571
Cat's already out of the bag dude.

>>10312875
What do you mean?

>>10312881
He means that the pendulum is swinging in the opposite direction.

>>10313211
Bump

>>10312610
>even to the point that random middle class Jews are convinced they lost relatives to it?
ARE they, though? Are they really?
I rest my case.