/lit/ - Literature

>>10281233
Hicks is an Objectivist, throw that shit in the trash

>>10281233
>Hicks' thesis that postmodernism is a result of butthurt from socialism failing
Yeah, this is an oversimplification at best.

>his conclusion that postmodernism is a rejection of enlightenment ideals; this may be partly true, in a way, but current strains of leftism are more correctly viewed as the twisted end result of enlightenment ideals
This conclusion is more than party true. Those current strains of leftism that you are referring to would not be postmodern, I'd say, if they are some sort of logical conclusion of enlightenment ideals. I'm not even really sure what you're referring to or what you mean by this if I'm being honest. Read Dialectic of Enlightenment. That's literally what the whole book is about. It's also the most influential thing to come out of the so-called Frankfurt School.

>skirting around this essential ethnic component, which the author was no doubt aware of, is disingenuous
How is the Jewish ethnicity of the philosophers you've mentioned relevant to explaining postmodernism (presumably the aim of the book)? Not really going on the offensive here just curious as to why you think this should be discussed in the book.

I haven't read this book or anything just trying to help get the thread going.

>>10281258
the jews created postmodernism to disenfranchise the west and ensure their absolute rule over us. just like how they pushed feminism continuously to keep men feminised and scared of their women. you see how they took down harvey weinstein? fucking jews. they are destroying all that is good in the world, like the jewish hollywood elite, through their pushing of feminist values. the jewish conspiracy to take down the jews is relentless.

>>10281233
I read this, really enjoyed it.
>>10281273
This has to be bait, but I'll bite and tell you to go back to pol

>>10281294
how could you be this blue pilled. can't you see what's happening? the jews are attacking our very way of life. they've gotten so bold as to attack our cultural center: hollywood. think of all the jews who've been taken down in recent weeks. do you think that's coincidence? no. the jews are getting so bold that they are attacking people we thought were untouchable: the hollywood elite. what happens when the jews are gone from hollywood and the jews take over? hmm?

>>10281294
>fucking jews. they are destroying all that is good in the world, like the jewish hollywood elite, through their pushing of feminist values. the jewish conspiracy to take down the jews is relentless.

he's obviously being facetious you fucking retard

Doesn't this guy say that Kant was a postmodernist?

>>10281273
>when your whole worldview stems from ad hominem

>>10281258
>logical conclusion of enlightenment ideals
OP btw. Not logical lol, just egalitarian idealism taken to its ends.

To the part about jews, it has everything to do with them, and you (meaning anyone) will only have a partial understanding of postmodernism if you don't understand the jewish question. The iconoclastic, revolutionary behavior that to a large extent is personified by postmodernism and proto-postmodernist movements, of which Hicks gives several examples not limited to the Frankfurt School, is in essence a reflection of the jewish spirit, and jews have been enormously influential in both shaping those movements and institutionalizing what have come to be postmodern concepts within western universities.

>>10281233
>Hicks

>>10281294
I did too, it's a good book. That other poster is jewish though, btw, and trying to muddy the discussion about his tribe. They always do this.

>>10281427

im not jewish. im just taking your argument to its logical endpoint. the jews invented postmodern feminism, to what end? it seems that they have done so only to reduce the power they have over the media. is that part of the conspiracy too? what discussion am i muddying? are the jews so powerful they can just give up hollywood for shits and giggles?

>>10281340
Every single philosopher ever is a white hating jew, especially the Christian ones. They did their best to come up with retarded unplausable arguments in order to discredit Christianity and install nihilism. But Christianity itself was a Jewish plot to enslave the Romans (the only ones capable of helping whites gain world supremacy). The words on the cross, the first atheism, was the sure giveaway that Christ, the jew, wanted to destroy all Whites. That and creating wine in order to get Whites drunk and decadent, multiplying fish and bread to invent communism, criticizing the poor rich who only wanted to create jobs for their fellow Whites and so on. Also the turn the other cheek thing was meant to get Whites to surrender without a fight.

put me in the screencap

>>10281443
Are these posts yours?
>>10281273
>>10281307
That's who I was referring to, so if that's you, and you don't understand why pretending to take positions you don't actually believe in just to derail a thread is acceptable behavior, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised that this information would go over your head.

>>10281476
what are you talking about. you want to push the idea that postmodernism is a jewish attack on western values, fine. im asking you what the plan is with this whole weinstein thing. feminism is the jews fault, yes? but now we got feminism going against the jews. is that part of their master plan?

>>10281503
You don't even understand the basics of jewish behavior, so you why are you defiantly pretending you do here? Jews to not invent things, they subvert things and manipulate the social order so that it is bad for their host and good for them. The notion that you think the problem is some big plot only shows that you aren't thinking for yourself, but instead just repeating phrases like "conspiracy" that jews have framed for you so that you will continue to not think for yourself.

>>10281574
>jews don't invent things
are white people jews then for stealing math and physics from africa?

>>10281596
Come again? If you are black that would actually go a long way in explaining why you've been whiffing so hard itt.

>>10281307
>>10281273

Everyone ignore this poster.

>>10281309
>this has to be bait
How's your reading comprehension there buddy?

>>10281574

How the allegations coming from the feminist world is good for them?

>>10281574

so is feminism jewish or not

>>10281635
Women outing jewish perverts and exposing the sickness of the jewish mind is not good for jews.

>>10281651
Jews promoted feminism more than any other group. But you aren't using logic here because the "feminist world" (what is that some kind of conspiracy?) is not what is exposing the aforementioned jewish perversion and sickness. Is the promotion of feminism coming back to bite jews? Seems like it, and I hope it continues.

>>10281596
>are white people jews then for stealing math and physics from africa?

>>10281233

Where the fuck do you even get this book? I wanted to read a hard copy but it's like $400. Is it really only available digitally?

>>10282144
Appears so. I downloaded it.

Not a major Peterson guy but I agree with his general positions on this subject. Question: has Peterson actually written anything on postmodernism, or did most of his views on it come from, or do they generally mimic, those of Hicks as contained in this book?

>>10281651

Bump

>>10281233
bump

>>10283570

so jews started feminism and now feminism took out the jews

>>10286532
Jews don't "start" things; jews don't "invent" things; jews don't do anything except behave parasitically. This is a human parasite, a biological disease, you understand that, right?

>>10286567
jews invented judaism

unless... it was reptilians?

>>10286597
Jews did not invent judaism; the principles of judaism were lifted from the Greeks. Jews don't invent things. All of the knowledge the jew has acquired existed in other cultures the jew parasited off of and destroyed. The jew is the destroyer of nations. It is not a thing. It is a sickness.

>>10286617

that's interesting, because the greeks date back to 800 bc, while judaism has been around for over 3000 years. so the greeks had time travel... interesting theory.