/lit/ - Literature

>>10276241
True fantasy can only exist in love.

It goes against biology but in your mind it can be real.

>>10276255
That's true, but I have grown too cynical, rational and skeptical from the last few years. Catfish tinder threads, MGTOW, female hypergamy and branch swinging.

The Disney true love stories we grew up with are only real in fantasy. Which is why I look forward to lifelike sexbots

Truth can only exist in fantasy.

>>10276241
>>10276271
LOVE can only exist in fantasy

>>10276245
t. Lacan

>>10276269
We are the only primate I know of that's delusional. Use it to your advantage, go for that schizotypal edge. Religion is not "I was blind and now I can see" it is "I was always blind and this new type of blind keeps me going." Organisms that don't take advantage of chances die out, there's even in-build positivity biases - though the opposite exists too.

>>10276245
Woah.

>>10276245
fpbp>>10276269

>>10276241
I still believe anon.

>>10276269
>lifelike sexbots
sadly, that's for the next generations, not us

>>10276241
Fantasy is part of life though.

>>10276241
No, because a fucking sperg like me found and somehow managed to bag grade-A wife material.

>>10276509
yeah, we're going to need the recipe anon

Given that 'love' is an experience, it is real to the extent that it is experienced.

>>10276241
Define "true love".
Closest I've seen it happen is two of my friends started dating in the seventh grade, now 8 years later, they're married and living together.
I guess if both people are infatuated with each other and care about making each other comfortable + share traditional values, that's a cocktail for a pretty good life.

>>10276514
>Step 1: find yourself a cute outdoorsy girl who likes to hike and do stuff like that. They are almost always happier, healthier, and more well adjusted human beings.
>Step 2: Ask her out.
>Step 3: Once you’ve been on a couple dates and have hung out a bit, and you’ve reached the point in the burgeoning relationship where she realizes that you aren’t a serial killer, drive her out somewhere dark away from the city lights, somewhere pretty like a meadow or something.
>Step 4: Bring snacks, comfy things like pillows and blankets, and put them in the trunk of your car.
>Step 5: Blow her mind with your autistic knowledge of mythology and love stories that you can point out to her in the night sky.
>Step 6: fuck like rabbits.

It’s easier than it sounds.

>>10276953
>premarital sex
>not marrying an innocent virgin

Yeah enjoy your 'true love' anon, enjoy loving half of your shit and the child support payments

>>10276509
Im in the same position anon. Going to be married soon. Considering what I've done in my life, and how much Ive changed in the past two years, it almost makes me want to believe in some kind of cosmic karma.

>>10277942
Dude married life is solid if you find yourself the right lady. Been hitched for two years now and its pretty dope, its like hanging out with a best friend you can bang.

>>10276743
>Given that 'love' is an experience, it is real to the extent that it is experienced.

Go tell that to the faggots here.

>>>/sci/9289317

>>10276241
No. Women don’t feel love – if they even feel it at all – the same way we do.

>>10278056
I meant yes.

Fantasy has to come from somewhere real.

"True love", as distinct from normal everyday-love, is a marketing tool created to subdue you into procreation and servitude.

>>10276241

True love can only exist in classic literature if one or both of the people die, otherwise it's shit like The Sun Also Rises and The Great Gatsby where love is a sham and the concept of love ruins everybody's lives.

>>10277998
Yeah its great. Shes really fit, and a huge outdoors type. Owned her own ranch and bread horses for a few years. Doesn't watch tv, not much into electronic media, Ive gooten her to read books with me too and now we both read a book for a month and then discuss it afterward. Shes a bit older than me but weve both agreed we want a family so shes going to sell her ranch and follow me around ( I travel for work.) Anyway I just wanted an excuse to talk about it, have a nice day anon.

>>10276241
God's love is the only truth.

>>10276241
>>10276271
>>10276273
>exist in fantasy
what?

>>10278141
And the only big enough to fulfill our aspiration.

You have to make sacrifices for love

>>10278224
You have to make sacrifices to deal with all of existence anon. Love is no different.

Yes because just like dragons, love doesn't exist. What you call love was invented by ad men to sell nylons

>>10276903
That's so cute and nice and I want to die.

>>10276241
Absolutely. My parents are the greatest example of true love I’ve ever seen. Our family has been faced with some horrible things through nobody’s fault, and every time they’re up against the wall, I see the two of them lock hands even tighter and crush every single challenge they’ve faced, together as a united force. If there’s anything I’ve learned growing up in their house, it’s not only that true love exists, but it also turns two people into the most formidable and resilient team you could imagine. As long as they have one another and share that bond, nothing can stop them. Men need women, and women need men. Without that dynamic, everything is lost.

I’ve seen it work, and now I want to create that for myself, because I hold their values, have been cognitive formed myself with the healthiest example of what a relationship should be, and know for a fact that it is possible.

true love is for fags

>>10277998
just wait until you've been married for 10 years, anon
it's even fucking better

>>10278140
nooooooooo
not the ranch!
what the fuck are you doing faggot?

>>10279097
how am i crying right now?
i-i didn't ask for that feel, anon

Existing is only fantasy in truth... Wait...

Love is not entirely about passion or wanting for someone, as many romantics believe nowadays, but is instead about growing to love the person you have through tolerance of one another and mutual overcoming of hardships.
Your 50 years married grandparents obviously have not been passionately in love for a long time, but knowing they are better as one they did not divide into two when things looked dour, as many would nowadays.
If you think your relationship problems are worth fixing, you may find yourself happier for sticking things through during the worst

>>10279097
You have the right idea, Anon. It is not our desires which make love so great, but the power of union and the great achievements two can accomplish as one

>>10276241
Fantasy isn't exactly a strict category. I can fantasize about many things I can make real - what matters is the level of my seriousness in pursuing it. Aka, faith.

>>10276245
holy... I want more!

>>10279097
>tfw

>>10276241
>Can true love only exist in fantasy?
For chan-dwellers, yes. For healthy people, no.

>>10279399
>>10279411
>>10280449
It’s just crazy to me you know? Coming to this website or even in real life, and encountering people who don’t believe that something like true love can even exist, because they haven’t seen it in their own lives. It’s the fucking saddest thing in the world to me, and every now and then I look back at my own family and realize how fortunate I am to have been immersed and formed as a person in something so special like that, to have that model to work off of for myself. For me, it’s one of the most concrete truths I know in this world.

Hang in there guys.

>>10279097
Made me feel anon
We're all gonna make it I think

Fantasy doesn't exist.

>>10279476
>Fantasy isn't exactly a strict category. I can fantasize about many things I can make real
yes it is. fantasy as a genre is about things we know aren't real and can't be made real as far as we know. nice pseudo-intellectual rhetoric though, kiddo.

>>10279097
Great post man. Exactly the sort of message I needed today.

>>10279097
>Men need women, and women need men. Without that dynamic, everything is lost.

>>10279399
>>10279411
>>10280449
>>10280811
>>10280928
>>10280938
There's more to it than that.

>Dad is a social recluse
>Always had trouble making friends, spent all his time reading books and studying
>If 4chan had existed back in the 70's/80's, he'd have certainly been the kind of kid who'd have posted here 24/7
>mother dies of cancer while he's in college
>gets depressed as fuck and only retreats further inwards
>has to pay his way through uni and goes to work in a shitty restaurant during the summers
>one night he's bringing dishes into a storage room at 1:00 AM
>sees this tired looking cocktail waitress sorting silverware
>it's my mom
>immediately struck by her but he's an introvert who's terrified of girls and doesn't do anything about it

Long story short, she liked him because she said just getting to know him at work, she saw that he was just a genuinely good person, and ended up chasing him down. He's not particularly good looking either. They got close because the two of them had gone through some shit and connected over that. I don't care that this is a blogpost, because I'm trying to make a point. Don't ever let any of the cynical pseudointellectual retards you meet, be they online or in real life tell you otherwise when it comes to the concept of love.

We're all gonna make it.

>>10281015
What's worse though
Being genuinely convinced that true love cannot exist and life a straight life accordingly trying to make your best with this conviction in mind, or realizing that true love is real and could make your life worth it but you'll reasonably never get to experience it?

>>10281049
They are both the worst option because ultimately they are the same defeatist mindset, one is simply less self-aware than the other. The right answer is to separate yourself from that paradigm, to have the courage to be an optimist and to risk your own emotional safety fighting for one of the few things in life that’s actually worth it.

>>10279109
You’re a fag

>>10276241
Yeah that's what I used to think, love was only true in fairy tales, made for someone else but not for me

>>10281184
hahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhah SHREK THE OGRE

>>10278140
>bread horses

>>10281015
>>Dad is a social recluse
>>Always had trouble making friends, spent all his time reading books and studying
>she saw that he was just a genuinely good person, and ended up chasing him down. He's not particularly good looking either.
I w-want to believe

>>10277826
>a contract ensures true love
You dun goofed.
In fact, every retard who hates women thinks of marriage as a goal. Free yourselves, for fucks sake.

>>10281015
Oh anon that was beautify really inspiring. After becoming cynical and heart-broken hearing this gives me hope. What do you say though to those that don't make it? The older I get the harder it's gotten for me. Now I am genuinely scared. Scared that after my hard work a girl like that will appear but only interested what I can provide.

Can you give more details about their story? It gives me hope.

>>10276357
I am pretty skeptical about it too but sometimes I see results like this that make me doubt my skepticism. Crazy things happen in 40 years. Maybe when I'm 60 it'll get really interested. I won't be a young horny guy anymore but we already have chemical solutions for age-related sexual disfunction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I

>>10278056
This is the kind of cynicism that assails modern man. I understand where it comes from but it seems lazy and incomplete. Clearly there is value in the traditional family values of love of old. What/where is the best way to find this in the modern world?
>>10276953
>find yourself a cute ______ girl
Anon you are skipping over the hardest part in the first step. TFW work in tech and might as well live in a convent.

Even when she is in a relationship, a girl likes to be kissed by other men.

>>10276241
Yes. But you can live in a fantasy (temporarily).

>>10277826
>he’ll never know what it’s like to intertwine his body with another person at their physical prime, channeling the energy of ancient cosmic love stories through your own soul and into another, out in the middle of the pristine emptiness of dark wilderness where the loudest thing for 100 miles is the sound of your shared ecstasy

The worst type of cuck is a self-cuck anon.

>>10282389
Ya gotta change your life to find that wife!

>>10281201
fuck you that song is way older than Shrek

>>10282675
Holy fuck. Googled that quote and didn't find anything. Did you just come up with that?

>>10282675
It's basically a better way to phrase that quote from Extension du domaine de la lutte.

>>10282728
Yes, because I have lived out that very experience myself. Jesus Christ, are people here really that uncreative? No wonder none of you can get laid.

>>10282795
It's not about creativity. I just enjoyed it and hoped there was more.

>>10276245
talk to me, darling

>>10282803
Oh. Well now I just feel like an asshole.

>>10282733
It's from the opposite perspective, in my opinion.

The only true love is incest love.

>>10278141
>>10278217
You see, I know Aquinas' famous statement on the matter, and consider myself a decently adapted Christian and well-educated, but for some reason I cannot fathom devoting oneself to attaining God's love in this life. To love, one must know, and one cannot know God personally through one's own effort I've become convinced, only become *closer*. The only people that convincingly and coherently speak of God's love are Saints who virtually all led shitty lives previously, so it seems like an opaque matter.

>>10279097
lies

>>10282852
Yeah that's a good explanation for why I like it. Instead of just looking at the bitterness of sexual frustration it captures the frenzied essence of of true love. You're still not getting laid but at least here you get a taste of what you missed.

>>10282903
How so?

true love exists, but only between a woman and her various sex providers

>>10276245
I wish I was high right now.

>>10283427
Jesus fucking christ dude. It's way to early for this shit. You just fucked me up.

>>10276241

Anything can be true in a fantasy world, not just love.

>>10283427
>grown up people split after years of marriage
Why do autists spam this shit?

>>10283427
Chad Kenobi strikes again

>>10276245
Damn.

Any recs of well-written books with a great element of romance that is not necessarily the center of the plot? I really could use a nice adventure with some true love in it.

>>10284199
Brother's Karamazov

>>10276953
If you are attempting to forge a bond through predetermined steps then what you achieve is not love but simply a planned result. It is false.

"True love" stems from a friendship without any other premise, innocence has for many of us been long lost and I'm currently not sure if you can experience love without it.

t.can't emotionally connect with or respect any woman after first love.

>>10284277
Hey, I own that. Thanks anon! If anyone has any other recs, I'd greatly appreciate them. Feeling lovesick lately and could use some catharsis.

>>10284603
Oh but that’s what made it so great anon. The two of us just started out as coworkers and knew each other for about a year until things ignited like that. I totally agree with you. It’s do much better if you actually know one another really well first. There’s nothing like the slow burn.

>>10279097
This kills the cynic.

>>10285217
No, it did not.

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>>10276953
Dang I get to the last part but I always end up killing them by accident

JRR Tolkien made the characters Beren and Luthien/Arwen and Aragorn off of the love he had for his wife. Fantasy stories are just an extension of the experiences people have in life, and no one gets to experience everything. Some people find true love, others dont, and thats okay.

You can chase Fantasy, but can find Bliss only in reality...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_(film)

>>10285217
The cynic has plenty success killing himself

>>10286265
Oh shit, man. I need to watch that film again. I remember the scene with Marty on the phone.

I never cried at a film before until then. I'd never before seen a film try to express what it's like to be a man like me; unattractive, unwanted, and lonely. It was so cathartic to just weep and to know that the way I've felt isn't something I'm alone in.

I'm not the only one. Maybe I can make it.

>>10278140
>shes going to sell her ranch and follow me around
you are awful, why would you sell the ranch.

>>10282338
>What do you say though to those that don't make it? The older I get the harder it's gotten for me. Now I am genuinely scared. Scared that after my hard work a girl like that will appear but only interested what I can provide.
Then I would tell you the story of my uncle who is the brother of the man I have written about in this thread. He was married for 20 years, had two grown sons, and life was going well until his bitch wife went psycho and destroyed his life with the most brutal conniving divorce you could imagine. However, do not let that sway you. Two years after that ordeal, he was in his 50s and met the absolute love of his life, a secretary about his age wo workwas d for a rival lawfirm. When you talk to them about how they met, the first thing we see is her face light up and turn all rosy, as she says “I didn’t even see him, I just heard this wonderful laugh that captured my heart.” The two of them have been married for 15 years and could not be happier. She also came from an abusive situation like my uncle did, and the two of them bonded over that. My whole family always had a bad gut feeling about the first wife, but this second one? We all absolutely adore her. If my parents taught me that true young love was possible, then my uncle taught me that it is never too late for the same exact thing.
>Can you give more details about their story? It gives me hope.
About my parents? You know, I’m not sure there’s much more to it than that. I honestly think that just like with abuse cycles that span generations, the same happens with good families too. Both of my parents had parents with wonderful marriages, so a lot of what’s responsible for their success I believe is that they too had good models of relationship behavior, something which was passed down to me.

I know that when my mother met my father, she smoked cigarettes, and he couldn’t stand it. She quit because he told her that he really cared about her and wanted her to be healthy, and she liked that he cared enough about her to approach it in that way. She never smoked again. They both think very differently. My mother is one of the most socially intelligent people I have ever met. She’s excellent at networking, finding jobs, and navigating business environments, and persuading people. However, she’s horrible at math and analytical thinking while my father is one of the most intelligent people I know academically. He can’t navigate a social situation for shit, or make a business deal if his life depended on it, but he can do complex equations and spit back complex economic theories like it’s nothing. He and I read Dostoevsky together for fun.

They both recognize these things, communicate consciousy an openly about everything in their lives, and understand how important and healthy it is to fight with one another as a means of processing and reconciling the problems they face together. That is what they’ve taught me by example.

each night of their live, these women have true love

>>10284199
I have a similar request. I am searching for a novel about exploring love as a teenager or young adult. The problem is, most of these are written for a rather young audience. Therefore they don't contain explicit sexual scenes. On the other hand, the explicit novels are poorly written most of the time. So I ask for the best of both worlds.

>>10281015
Stop giving me hope.
I hate you.

me and my waifu think so

>>10281086
>>10281015
Good posts

>>10287085
Hell fucking yeah Anon
thanks for sharing!!

huh guys, I just found out about this: is cum brushing the purest love?

ex= amateur cum brushing and swallowing

>>10276245

This.

Life is suffering.

>>10279097
Thanks. I don't believe you but I needed this.

>>10281015
besides all my "cons" i'm not a good person either, so no hope for me i guess

>>10285217
>implying any of it is true

True form of love truly does exist. Me loves wemen but they return no love to me is how its ment to be.

>>10289411
What was your home life like growing up anon?

>>10289224
You have the power to change that, do you not? Can you truly love anyone else without giving something away yourself?

True love itself is a selfish fantasy of being loved unconditonally yet loving conditionally.

>>10289582
>loving conditionally

How? I can imagine a relationship where I find someone who I love unconditionally and vice versa, and we take a great deal of mutual joy from that.

>>10289592
Do you care at all about things like looks or personality?

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>>10276241
no because genre fiction cannot convey something that complex and significant

>>10279392
>>10287079
This. SAVE THE RANCH M8 YOU FULL ON FUCKEN MORON.

>>10282675
What if the very thought of sex disgusts me? I cannot see myself with anyone at all, there is no one to know, and the thought of degrading myself to a level where me and another are just using each other for each other's pleasure makes me wish I was just a bug that could be stepped on and forgotten.

>every action a human being does is in its own rational thought, using it for its own self-serving purpose
>all humans are inherently selfish
>the only reason you are here is because you believe you cannot go out into the real world and find a gf/bf
>you will only use the person you get into a relationship with
>the person you get into a relationship with will only use you
>both of you will continue this until you gain a sense of security, and call it love, to justify your selfish using of each other for self-esteem

>>10289802
damn bro is highschool fun

>>10289802
>2017
>having low testosterone

>>10290194
>2017
>being materialist

>>10291190
dude it's just busting a nut like haha calm down bro

>>10276241
It can exist for neurotypicals maybe, I'm incapable of communicating with people so not for me. This is what gets me about me about people that place so much importance on "true love" how can it be so pure and good when it's so conditional and limited to a very specific set of criteria? The only true love that exists is that which ends in double suicide.

true love is raping a supermodel! how can you not grasp this?

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>>10289598
I'm not sure its quite that black and white. I feel like from my own experience, that "true love" is something which arises out of conditional love. Two people go after one another because they both realize each has something to offer that the other cannot get on their own, but at some point after that initial phase where we've successfully evaluated whether or not somebody is a good mate, a sort of transformation takes place. Suddenly they mean more to you than you do to yourself. We're programmed with protocols to determine whether or not we're risking energy and resources for the right reason. It seems like selfish conditional love is a necessary function in order to reach "true" love.