/lit/ - Literature

I think oathbringer just dropped on mobilism.

Where the HECK is Oathbringer

rec me some light novels. no haremshit.

Do you know sci-fi book where the Planet Earth (location or history) is forgotten? I know only the entire Foundation saga.
Also, do you know post-apocalyptic books where the history of the mankind is lost or modified?
Thank you

>>10265490
>Also, do you know post-apocalyptic books where the history of the mankind is lost or modified?
A canticle for Leibowitz kind of I guess but not really. It's good though, you should read it if you havent already

>>10265480
why don't you read some actually good books while you wait, pham?

>>10265490

>Also, do you know post-apocalyptic books where the history of the mankind is lost or modified?

Try with the BBC

>>10265490
Q1
Embassytown
Q2
Terminal World, it deals more with the questions you axed.

>>10265498
I'm relistening to Wheel of Time, just excited for some new stuff

>>10265479
gib Mega link

>>10265485
respond fuckers.

>>10265490
In Joel Shepherd's Spiral War series the destruction of Earth is a notable part in the setting background but is not directly related to the plot.

In David Drake's RCN series Earth was functionally destroyed with asteroid strikes, along with most of the early colonies. The planet is now unrecognizable and part of the third book involves a search for a giant diamond that was hollowed out and had a map of the original continents engraved on the inside of it.

>>10265485
boku no pico

Why doesn't /lit/ like asoiaf?

You know, besides the fact that it's popular.

>>10265601
sunset

>>10265601
>Why doesn't /lit/ like asoiaf?
Tolkien is to creative literary genius what Martin is to hack pulp idiocy. They both so far surpass anyone else in their field that they will be remembered 1,000 years from now as a kind of yin and yang of fantasy, a Manichean duality of speculative letters. For every sublime, luminous beauty that Tolkien has gifted the world, Martin has cursed us with a tedious, banal ugliness. It is unfair to compare the two directly on any one point, because Martin is in every way the anti-Tolkien, patently sterile, craven, parasitical, and inferior, but so much so that he becomes a monument in his own right, and counterbalances Tolkien. Could one exist without the other? Tolkien obviously could. But it is only by the contrast that Martin offers that we can truly appreciate the full depths and heights of Tolkien. Our understanding of Tolkien would be incomplete if Martin had never set pen to page. It is through only the abject failure and futility of Martin that we can approach an apprehension of the true scope and scale of Tolkien's hitherto inconceivable greatness. Perhaps this is what Tolkien had in mind when he wrote about the Music of the Ainur. If Tolkien is a subcreator in the image of Eru, truly Martin is like unto Melkor. It is only reflected in the awfulness of the one that we can fully see the goodness of the other. Whereas with Martin we have "Sunset found her squatting in the grass etc." to Tolkien we have “Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men, doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all etc." and “Roads Go Ever On etc.", I wonder if future scholars will study the contrast and literary relationship between the two authors.

>>10265601
>besides the fact that it's popular.
That's more or less it though

>>10265601
People dislike things. AsoIaF being popular just means that there's point to saying why you dislike it, where-as everyone who dislikes The Gentleman Bastard or the Stormlight Archives doesn't ever have to deal with a fanbase loud enough to argue over it.

>>10265601
because it's not finished REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
FUCKING WRITE THE BOOKS GRRM STOP EATING AND DOING WILDCARDS AND SHIT

>>10265601
its honestly not that good.
its maybe above average at best. add to that the hordes of idiots that herald it as the second coming of jesus christ because they started reading it because of the show. it adds up honestly."because its popular" has some validity to it though. as other authors will look at it and think thats the way to go for the future.
martin got lucky with a semi decent book series. which is getting progressively worse but still gets lauded as above criticism due to the hordes of normies comming to its defense because the show is part of pop culture now.

There is any otther fantasy series even nearly as good as wheel of time?
Jordan is truly a wizard, managed to create a world that surpasses even tolkien.

>>10265622
So, follow up question, when Sanderson's work inevitably gets adapted to a screen and literally hundreds of millions of dollars get thrown at it and normies latch onto it and flood to the genre, will you all turn on him too?

Which of you will pen the copypasta that will compare him as the yang to Tolkein's ying once he becomes bigger than us?

>>10265636
They will. The cycle of contrarianism cannot be broken.

>>10265601
I like it well enough but I want him to fucking finish the goddamn series so I can stop hedging all my criticism in terms of "well this hasn't been resolved yet so I can't comment on it".

>>10265636
You know they will. Althought Sanderson already has lots of detractors ITT you can bet he'll have even more once he reaches mainstream.

>>10265636
No one will "turn on" Sanderson just like no one turned on Martin. 4chan contrarian disease is misattribution by idiots who think 4chan is a hive mind.

What happens is that most people who dislike him right now don't bring it up, because he's only mentioned a handful of times in a thread. Maybe like, five times in this one when his most anticipated book ever comes out in less than a day. Those same people will start to bitch about him loudly once other people starts talking about him after a film adaptation.

It's really obvious when you pay attention but you'd rather just meme.

>>10265479
>>10265480
>>10265573
https://mega.nz/#!5tEynIwS!eczruN_N6475KqKw0AYLd9wpWtIVdJ-Ae3VJwhus6Gc

What can I say except, you're welcome

>>10265658
>4chan contrarian disease is misattribution by idiots who think 4chan is a hive mind
Okay, not a hivemind, got it.
>Those same people will start to bitch about him loudly once other people starts talking about him
Oh, you mean like a hivemind. Got it.

>>10265680
Fine, you got me. "Some of those same people".

The point is that I doubt many of us actually read The Name of the Wind, loved it, then started bitching about it later when it got in the hands of a wider audience. But I'm sure a lot of us read it right after it came out, hated it, then just tried not to think about it until there were people saying it was the greatest fantasy novel ever, then felt obligated to correct them.

>>10265673
Oh shit, cheers senpai

I've seen Tolkien described as a reactionary (such as in pic related). Can somebody explain this?

>>10265693
I just feel like too often 4chan (/lit/ is not the only board susceptible to this) hates a "good" work just because a great deal of other people (normies) find it "great".

I don't feel like that's fair to the work nor do I feel like it's fair to the people who are fine with enjoying "good" work. I find that the attention span and memory of normies is far shorter than fans of the genre. We will hate something for years because it was overrated for a month. To say asoiaf is outright bad is as silly as saying it's genre defining like Tolkein, and to systematically remove mention of the series from generals and recommendation lists and throw pastas at any mention of his name just because it's popular is even sillier. To me anyway.

>tfw Rowling stole the wizard school and magic wand concepts forever
hahahahahahaha

hold me

>>10265490
>Also, do you know post-apocalyptic books where the history of the mankind is lost or modified?
Book of the New Sun
>I have no way of knowing how old those tunnels are. I suspect, though I can hardly say why, that they antedate the Citadel above them, ancient though it is. It comes to us from the very end of the age when the urge to flight, the outward urge that sought new suns not ours, remained, though the means to achieve that flight were sinking like dying fires. Remote as that time is, from which hardly one name is recalled, we still remember it. Before it there must have been another time, a time of burrowing, of the creation of dark galleries, that is now utterly forgotten.

Guys, how do you rate these books by Drew Karpyshyn?

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan (2011)
Star Wars: The Old Republic: Annihilation (2012)

Are they better or worse than the Darth Bane books (which I liked)?

>>10265780
Tolkein is a traditionalist Catholic who didn't think modernity and industrialism were good things. That's enough nowadays.

>>10265633
>even tolkien
it's not THAT big of a world

>>10265844
Does the Lord of the Rings reflect these beliefs?

>>10265905
>muh elfs can only love one person forever
>muh no one really dies

>new chapter of ward tonight
who hype

>>10265785
>and to systematically remove mention of the series from generals and recommendation lists and throw pastas at any mention of his name just because it's popular is even sillier.
There's no point in "recommending" something that even normies already know about, you pillar of degeneracy.

>>10265840
much worse.
Revan takes a massive shit on both kotor games.1

>>10265960
Thanks for letting me know. Fuck this book then

>>10265941
Recommending something and reminding someone it exists is not one oin the same, you scholar and gentleman.

>>10265966
It was fucking rage inducing.

>>10265905
The catholicism is subtle but the anti-industrialism and anti-modernity stuff is pretty overt.

Shallan is such a slut goddamn

>>10266141
hnnnngh.

>>10265673
sick widdit

>>10266141
Need more r34 desu

>>10265485
All You Need is Kill

Stormlight book 4 when?

How can I stop being lazy and start reading my books? I got a pile of science fiction and fantasy books but I keep doing other things.

I now see why people pol don't like Heinlein. It isn't Stranger in a Strange novel, it isn't all the sex and cucking in his novels, it's pic related. kek

>>10266329
2020 at the soonest
New Mistborn in 2019

what's the GRI percentage in Oathbringer?

>>10266498
The hwhat

>>10266520
Gay Rape Incest.

>>10265820

>>10265928
>ward
???????

>>10266498
Probably nonexistent. Sanderson hasn't fallen to Card's Mormon degeneracy as yet. Give it a few years.

This has been enjoyable pulp fair. Wonderfully free of irony and pretentiousness.

>>10266653
looks intriguing. sell me on it.

>>10266659
Well it's pulp as fuck if the cover is anything to go by. You've got Lovecraftian Old Ones, evil mummies, demon-possessed crime bosses, mad scientists, a secret occult society bent on world domination. Just all the things you want in a good pulp novel.

And like I said it's completely free of irony or pretentiousness. The writer simply loves pulp and wanted to write his own. The good guys are actually heroic and do good deeds because they want to and the villains are wonderfully evil and don't need any bullshit reason for being evil. There are some problems though : the prerequisite gay character and a dainty young girl that can beat up men much larger than her (though it's usually because she surprises them so it's not too intolerable). But the positives far outweigh the negatives.

>>10265905
Excessively.

>>10266141
>Shallan gets naked on the street in Oathbringer
>Shallan is present at an orgy in Oathbringer

humans are the bad guys in oathbringers

>>10266739
Wew, I haven't gotten there yet, I just got to her having dinner with Adolin after him seeing her almost undressed

>>10266750
>“Looking at his lips, she could think of some other creative applications for her tongue.…”
LEWD

>>10266748
So progressive.

Which Sanderson series should I read first? Which has the best characters?

>>10266764
https://brandonsanderson.com/books/where-do-i-start/

>>10266760
I just read this. Combined with syls crazy antics and holy shit Kaladin is gonna have a good time!

>>10266739
wtf I love Shallan now

>>10266739

I knew she was a slut when I first read about her.

>>10266764
Start by reading books from another author and never stop

>>10265490

This plays a very small role in both "Children of Time" and in "A Fire upon the Deep" -- humans came from Earth but that was long ago. Fluff, and not central to story of either.

>>10266605
Worm 2

/r/ecommend me a new book

Things that stick with me:

Sci-Fi:
> Windup Girl
> Diamond Age
> Neuromancer
> Foundation Series
> Snow Crash
> Nine Princes in Amber
> Anathem
> A Fire Upon the Deep

Fantasy:

Tolkein (duh)
> Rhapsody saga (Haydon)
> War of the Dwarves (Heitz)

Probably best to recommend Fantasy?

>>10266916

>>10266920
Great. The only category with a book I read & liked contains a single book.

I don't think I'm going to bother reading oathbringer
This shit looks hella long & none of the characters are likable
Also I've forgotten everything from the first 2 books

>>10267021
>I don't think I'm going to bother reading oathbringer
>This shit looks hella long & none of the characters are likable
>Also I've forgotten everything from the first 2 books
okay

>>10267021
I'll read and enjoy it and there is nothing you can do to stop me ;)

>>10267021
just re-read them

Oh baby

>>10267198
Syl-route.

>>10265498
>>10265571

>>10265601
>besides the fact that it's popular
That's literally the reason. It's praised like the best thing to ever happen humanity, while in reality it's simply a good, possibly great series.

>>10265636
In the same way, I already "turn on" Sanderson when people claim that his quite average writing is the pinnacle of modern fantasy.

>>10266916
Maybe stay with Stephenson and read Cryptonomicon?

>>10266916
The Quantum Thief
The Golden Age
Lord of Light
Hyperion
Accelerando

>>10267198
>can literally fly across the continent, jump between walls and run in the ceiling without getting disoriented
>chose to go by boat and stumble around as the ship move
???

>>10265673
Thank you friend.

>>10266939
Look at the other cates dum dum.

>>10267021
If you aren't low IQ, when you read you usually start to remember things. Sanderson helps by giving small hints that jog you memory. He knows how it is and got you.

>>10265673
Thank you. You are very kind.

Continuing after the released chapters on Tor, this part was a delight to read. 'Safehand' and 'breast' in one sentence? Brandon is getting too lewd. In addition to the sprens discussing sexuality.
Also actual use of the word 'whore', there's even some more in the book.

>>10266498
I would guess about Mormon%

Y'all know if Target will have the book today? Idk if Walmart was the only retailer who is being pushed back till Thursday.

>>10267743
Er, Oathbringer of course.

>>10267021
>I don't think I'm going to read more of a series that I don't enjoy

I'm sure this has been asked a mllion times before but can I start with Fellowship or do I need to read The Hobbit first?

>>10266600
now everyone would be accused of plagiarism

>>10267877
Silmarillion first.

>>10266916
Book of the New Sun

>>10267877
You can skip hobbit if you want, its pretty light reading in comparison though.

At what point does Historical Fiction become fantasy?

>>10267877
Neither. Both are bad, but if you must read the hobbit and then stop.

>>10267997
When it deviates from what actually happened it's fantasy. If years later someone wrote about america and said that 2017 ushered in world peace and all the leaders United under one banner it would be fantasy. If they United under one banner to oppose another, well that would be something else.

>>10268024
I've never understood the point of this chart
>some "overrated" series
>some old, dusty, but generally well regarded series
>some shitty airport novels that no one here has heard of or would read anyway

its not even bait really, I don't know what the fuck its supposed to be

>>10265601
Brienne of Tarth ruins books

>>10268037
Please list tne airport novels. I read them all and consider them trash.
How many have you read?

>>10268056
What SFFG books do you consider not to be trash?

>>10268024
What if the story more or less follows history, but characters benefit from divine intervention?

This seems like a good time for a reminder: Sanderson is at best just sort of OK, and doesn't do anything very novel or interesting.

>>10268088
Sanderson would improve a whole lot if he'd just go out of his way to write some characters he doesn't personally like or agree with, that AREN'T the bad guy.
He's got a serious case of Cookie Cutter. All of his protagonists are essentially the same. They speak the same, think the same, act the same. He projects his mormon morality onto alien circumstances and makes up for it with powerlevels. That's the root cause of all his series being called anime.

They wouldn't even need to be good characters/stories. He just needs to learn to write different characters.

>>10268109
Also there are no themes to any of it, beyond basic Mormon "good vs evil" shit that others already did better.

>>10267648
Wew, if he keep improving at this rate he might actually become a good writer one day.

>>10267648
Were reading a book about your waifu reading a book about her waifu?

>>10268061
>inb4 another contrarian attention-seeking chart

>>10267446
>has never been on a ship

>>10268228
I've been on many ships in my life. On the other hand I can't fly or stick to surfaces, so I guess I don't really know.

>tfw read an author so much I notice that the protagonist has an cold distant mother and abusive wife/love interest in all of his work and realise why he's a feminist

>>10268188
>not believing memeanon's opinions are sincere

>>10268360
>read "The Hobbit" but not LotR
>sincere

>>10268162
It's a previously unmentioned character, only in that short interlude chapter. But basically yes.

Is the audio book version of Oathbringer not out? Can't find any torrent

>>10267443

Thank you. Hyperion I have read and enjoyed. Will go with this.

Any of you read Viriconium?
How is it? I read Tales from the Dying Earth and Book of the New Sun, i enjoyed both greatly (the later even more).
Any rec for similar dying earths novels are greatly appreciated.

>Michael Kramer (narrator)
>Kramer lives in Washington, D.C. area with his wife, Jennifer Mendenhall (aka Kate Reading), and their two children
>mfw they're married and still fuck up pronouncing the names the same
Literally how? It annoys me so much how she pronounces names

>>10268056
yeah there's a version up on audible, friend.

>>10268703
Yeah. Just short of 60 hours kek.

>>10268705
those are indeed safe recs

>>10268024
start using a trip so I can avoid your posts

>>10268723
>(((Mendenhall)))

Dune

>>10268723
No idea why they won't let Graphic Audio do the release day audio book instead. Or wait I do know, they're just cheap.

Sol Weintraub chapter is the best one in the book.

Is The Fall of Hyperion good?

>>10268887
yes, it is ok. then pretend that 3rd book was never released

>>10265569
Terminal World is great.

>>10268887
not quite so much since the structure is dispensed with but still worth. The latter two are avoid tier imo.

Tonight I finished off my Claw Of The Conciliator reread. It's quite a different volume to the previous: with more explicit detail about Urth's history, the cacogens and the exultants. It also feels like a less static and leisurely volume than Shadow Of The Torturer, with more narrative thrust (I suppose because Severian is now moving towards Thrax) and well as many little episodes, memorable minor characters, intrigues, and set pieces: Executions at Saltus, The Green Man, The Man-apes, The Vodalus/Autarch intrigue, The House Absolute antechamber, Talos' Play and its aftermath, the Cumaean. Particularly, Severian with the man-apes at the Saltus mine would be the most memorable part of the book for its combined sense of gradually increasing panic and weirdness.

>>10265636
But I've been saying Sanderson is crap for years, same as other anons

>>10268109
>write some characters he doesn't personally like or agree with, that AREN'T the bad guy.
He did that with Jasnah. He talked about lurking atheist forums in order to understand how to properly write her. I think he's writing Hoid as a very grey character too but I do think he needs to improve the variety of his characters.

>>10268844
Is perfect

>dalinar flashbacks

this isn't gonna be 1200 pages of mostly filler r-right?

>>10269034
I just read a few chapters of the book as well. I was actually about to ask a question about a thing Talos says:
>The castle? The monster? The man of learning? I only just thought of it. Surely you know that just as the momentous events of the past cast their shadows down the ages, so now, when the sun is drawing toward the dark, our own shadows race into the past to trouble mankind's dreams.
What did he mean by this?

>>10269316
My bad, this is from Sword of the Lictor

>>10269316
Was that in Claw Of The Conciliator? I don't recollect the context of the quote, but it sounds like an allusion to time travel and/or memory.

>>10269349
Well, I'll be re-tackling that one next week. Until then it's lighter fare, perhaps Sprague De Camp's Lest Darkness Fall.

is there a space opera book about wars being fought in the forms of luchadores fighting in rings on asteroid belts?

>>10269407
[AUTHORSHIP ASPIRING]

>>10269411
nope. not one of them retards.
im genuinly curios.
im currently making lists about bucks with stupid/crazy premises that usually dont mesh together.
for science.

>$23 book arrives a day late
>Amazon gives me $25 in store credit
>And a month of prime

>>10265601
What does it bring to the table?
>Gratuitous violence and sex
Yeah, we get it, the middle ages were gruesome and lurid but it's not like there's a dearth of sex and violence in other books and fictional media. Might as well read history if you just want max realism.
>Backstabbing and politics
The way I hear it described makes all the characters sound like ridiculous unlikable caricatures. The politics sounds less like politics and more like Real Housewives tier "ohmygosh!shetotallywenttraitoronhim*gasp*"
>Fantastical world
Seems like pretty ordinary to me. Plenty of other series are more interesting, fantasy-wise, with better settings and more immersive worlds.

See, there are a lot of good fantasy series out there, and in order to like something, you need to know why it's a cut above the rest. Nobody "likes" something without reason, so I don't dislike ASOIF but I can't say that I like it either. It's been sold to me countless times by countless friends and every time it sounds remarkably average.

Has anyone read anything by Sean Russell. A friend gave me all four books in his "Moontide and Magic Rise" and "The River into Darkness".

>>10265485
overlord. Its got some shitty harem elements but is much better than most in this shit genre

Are there any non-shit star trek books? Or books with a similar exploring space with a naval theme?

Can someone confirm my prejudice against Brandon Sanderdon so I can tell people he's shit without having to read him?

>>10269677
He's popular and therefore liking him is bad, because /lit/ is full of elitists. He's not the most articulate, nuanced, pretentious, or other such things, so he must be objectively shit.

Sanderson seems to be becoming THE fantasy author for normies to read. And IMO, if that's where the bar is set for good fantasy that everyone can enjoy, and inspire them to read even more, then I'm ok with that.

Not everything has to be high fucking art to be a good, enjoyable read.

>>10269695
I didn't ask for a defence of Sanderson, Mr. Pleb Apologist. I only want to read books by the most artciulate and nuanced authors.

>>10268024
what's wrong with the blade itself? ive read the series and loved it. Im a normie i guess. but really, what are the criticisms?

>>10269677
There's nothing wrong with Sanderson and basically you're fucking stupid.

Is pic related any good?

>>10269711
What a fucking queer

>>10269695
>Sanderson seems to be becoming THE fantasy author for normies to read
I have seen absolutely nothing that suggests this is even remotely true. Most of the normies in my life read absolutely no fantasy except Game of Thrones, which they only picked up either because of the HBO show or because other people in their normie circle were reading it therefore making it a necessity in order to be up to date on group discussion topics.

>>10269756
most normies don't read books at all

Tell me about Kevin J. Anderson.

>>10269756
>tfw GRRM is unironically better at fantasy than Sanderson
I'll take that no problem

>Shallan is suddenly interesting as fuck and now appears to have a great personality thanks to having fewer scenes and said scenes being less filler tier
>Dalinar is as boring as always
What did he mean by this?

>>10269677
He's mundane.

He's not objectively terrible at anything but nothing he does stands out.
His prose is workman-like, his dialogue is artificial and flat and his plots are cliche.

"muh wordbuilding" the Sandersonfags will reply. But Sanderson's worlds are bad too. He combines the same hamfisted social commentary with a magic system devoid of any actual magic. Detail isn't a good thing if what you're describing is uninteresting.

There's a reason he's able to pump books out as fast as he does.

>>10269695
>He's popular and therefore liking him is bad, because /lit/ is full of elitists
lol
>He's not the most articulate, nuanced, pretentious, or other such things, so he must be objectively shit.
He's not anything. When you read Sanderson you may as well be playing Skyrim. Like if all you want is to fill the hours between now and the time you die then sure he's okay.
>Not everything has to be high fucking art to be a good, enjoyable read.
But it has to do something well.

>>10269677
He's shitty at dialogue. Actually decent to great at most everything else, but even as a fan of his I have to say that he is absolutely terrible at dialogue. He tries to write witty characters and they come off as unironically autistic.

If you need to tell people he's shit, focus on that. So much of his dialogue is a downright embarrassment. I'd like to see him plot out a story for someone else to write in his place.

>>10269910
>all you want is to fill the hours between now and the time you die
I suspect that statment represents much of this general

>>10269915
He said somewhere during this lecture that he is inspired by Joss Whedon's writing for dialogue, so that really explains a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h1zNHKQwzg&index=11&list=PLH3mK1NZn9QqOSj3ObrP3xL8tEJQ12-vL

>>10268723
re-voicing the same male characters again in Shallan's chapters is jarring as fuck.

>>10269807
>GRRM is unironically better at fantasy than Sanderson
lol no

>>10269996
Name one (ONE) thing Sanderson does well.

>>10269999
Now that I see those quads, I can't come up with anything.

>>10269999
Quads of truth

Pls tell me this will not become ntr

Can we talk about
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21326.jpg
and https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21332.jpg ?
How is it that Solaris is in both of them but Fiasco, an all around better book is nowhere to be seen? I would even settle for Peace on Earth or His Master's Voice

>>10269999
Structured magic
Worldbuilding

>>10270295
>How is it that Solaris is in both of them but Fiasco, an all around better book is nowhere to be seen?
Probably because the lists were made at different times and both sets of anon/s read Solaris, but not Fiasco.

>ywn dance horribly before a sea-green stone idol of Bokrug when the moon is gibbous

Can I get some fantasy where a villainess rapes the hero?

>>10269801
He's a partner in crime for the awful post-Frank Dune novels.

>>10270305
He doesn't really do either of those things well though. He just does them passably like everything else.
His worldbuilding is trite. He constantly repeats the "muh ruling class" structure. His world's feel unmotivated and there is nothing more than a surface level attempt to give characters an alignment which is not black and white. Compare them to actually interestingly written worlds like those of Dune, BOTNS, Prince of Nothing, etc and the difference is stark.
His magic systems basically boil down to "muh flying" and shitty action scenes. He does fill the niche of a structured magic system but even if you like that stylisticly, he doesn't do anything special with it. His magic systems are basically the capeshit of fantasy.

>>10270324
But why would you read one and not read the other next. Any of the important themes of Solaris are developed better in Fiasco, so it deserves to be there instead (or both of them)

>>10270367
>I don't know about the Cosmere

>>10270406
A great concept wasted on a shit writer.

>>10270379
Then I suggest you use that superior taste of yours to craft a chart of your very own, which can then be endlessly shilled to our poor plebeian selves. That's how we roll.

>>10270415
>>10270367
Classic example of hating on somebody popular, by somebody who hasn't read much of their work.

>>10270428
Something like this

>>10270473
Your chart's stupid, an you're stupid :3

>>10270406
>It turns out it's all set in the same universe guys!
This is sounding more and more like capeshit buddy. It's a gimmick and has been done to death.

>>10270440
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I've read the original Mistborn trilogy and the first two Stormlight Archive books (about three years ago). I tried to read him again and gave up because I couldn't stomach him.

Seeing more Sazed made sa3 goat.

>>10270440
>you only dislike Macdonald's because it's popular
>you haven't eaten all their burgers so how can you even comment on their quality?

How far along are you guys?

>>10270555
Why posting of the previous year? Not making sense. Should be the posting of this year dummy.

>>10270573
2017 isn't over yet.

>>10270580
>>10270555
>How far along are you guys?
They are not having "progress" of 2017?

>>10270555
I don't actually know what GoodReads is but I see it brought up a lot.

>>10270603
Gay ass community full of Facebook Mom-tier retards, but its good to catalog and organize your reading list and search for books.

>>10270603
Yet another online cattle pen where normies endure continuous sexual assault and theft of precious bodily fluids in the name of convenience.

Hello, gents! I came to /lit/, something I rarely do cuz I'm looking for a decent forum to start participating in. I'm really into futuristic dystopian stories like Philip K. Dick's A Scanner Darkly. I've always been told I'm creative and a good writer and shit and wanna like start writing. Any help would be great. Inb4 /lit/ these threads are great, but too volatile. I was looking for something permanent.

>>10270616
Reddit sounds more to your liking.

>>10270616
Please, for your own sake, try Reddit. I don't think you'll be able to survive here.

>>10270619
>>10270621
Don't you dare do that shit to me. I've been 4chan since a little after the old fags. I intend to stay that way. Now come on, guys. Cut the foreplay and red pill me.

where do I start with the Jack Vance?

>>10269677
he is the epitome of mediocre

I mean he is better than Rothfuss and Hobb but still not very good, he just doesn't have any interesting to say or stories to tell or interpersonal conflict, it is just world building autism

>>10270624
>listen here you little shit

>>10270633
You don't.

>>10270555
I'm reading Red Rising and so far it reads like your average Gary Stue YA bullshit. Does this get better? Do the side characters get interesting at some point?

/sffg/, I have to ask:

Why trilogies?

Not why read trilogies but why do trilogies exist with such resilience and identity that I hear people complain about the trilogy format?

>>10270640
nope, it is overrated trash

read Leviathan Wakes instead

>>10270640
No it's terrible

>>10270641
Look up the Rule of Three

>>10270641
It is a lazy but effective way for a new writer to make a name for themselves and build up hype. They promise a big ambitious sprawling series when they haven't the discipline and experience to finish it and leave everyone disappointed (Rothfuss, Martin etc)

speaking of trilogies, is it always a bad thing when an author tacks on more books after the end of the trilogy? The lat two hitchiker books were shit on toast

>>10265490
Book of the New Sun muh fugga

>>10270639
XD

>>10270640
Yes. It peaks at Golden Son.

>>10270663
Only if it ruins the story and characters of the original trilogy.

>>10265780
Tolkien disliked modernity without rejecting it outright. Nuance is important but idiots don't into shades of grey. Reactionaries are just LARPers.

>>10270663
It varies, if you're a fan of the world then more content is a good thing.

See the after stories for arifureta.

If you're a casual reader with a passing interest then trawling through crap just to finish the series is painful and a let down.

>>10270545
>all these things are the same
>no, I haven't looked at more than 2 of them (and the second one only a little bit), why would I?

>>10270641
Author write big book, yes? Publisher say book too big, make little book. Author take big book, strike violently with hammer, and it fracture nicely along two fault line every book have that divide beginning middle end. Author now have three book. Three book trilogy. Publisher happy, publishing happen. Author die freak accident. No one care.

>>10269792
Most of the adults around me actually have a college education, and that tends to instill a love of reading.

>>10269910
If Sanderson is Skyrim who's Morrowind?

>>10270689
what if it's a tragedy in which the mc fails to overcome his own flaws, culminating in cataclysm. As the story builds up, the competent sidekick keeps their hands clean trying to keep the hero from a bad end. The fourth book revolves around the sidekick trying to undo the damage the "hero" caused

>>10270537

Oh shit, you just convinced me to read faster. Sazed is my bro and my nigga

>>10270745
Frank Herbert

>>10270702
One line of my paragraph was complaining about sameness. The rest had valid criticism which you just completly ignored.

>>10270641
Three Acts method

>>10265473
What are some good books with giant spiders besides Tolkien?

>>10270796
Wild Wild West

>>10269801
A bland hack whose main distinction is shitting on Dune.

If I were to tell you I was working on a fantasy piece, what is the one thing you'd tell me (not) to put in my shit because you're (absolutely fucking tired) of seeing it in fantasy?

>>10270815

P R O P H E C Y
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P
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C
Y

>>10270815
Resurrection
Elves
Dwarves
Magic crystals(even BotNS did it wrong)
Stupid names(Richard and Eric and Anne are fine)
Lack of GRI
Prophecies
Mage schools
Barbarians
Demons

>>10270840
2/10 ain't bad. Of the two I violate, the barbarians turn out to not be barbarians, just different, and the demons aren't really demons so...

Chapter 120 Oathbreaker spoilers
You’re supposed to contradict me, Szeth, the sword said, when I say I don’t eat people. Vasher always did. I think he was joking. Anyway, as people who have carried me go, you aren’t very good at this.
“No,” Szeth said. “I am not good at being a person. It is… a failing of mine.”
KEK

>>10269502
>FREE books

I finished book 9 of the Wheel of Time series this morning and will get back to it once I finish Oathbringer

I know I'm half way into what's considered the dull part, though I thought book 9 wasn't that bad(Matt's story and the cleansing of Siadin were pretty gud)

how bad are the next two books?

>>10270909
Well if you can read the utter trash that the Wheel of Generic Dogshit is, then I guess you can read anything

>>10270868
Potato/potatoe. Don't use demons or the equivalent.

>>10270909
Crossroads of Twilight is the ultimate low point of the series, after that it picks back up. Mileage my vary on Sandersons books though. He did an adequate job, but he butchered several character (Berelain in particular was essentially tarred, feathered, and thrown out of the story), and completely forgets about others (I don't think Sulin is even mentioned in Sandersons books).

>>10270914
Any supernatural beings at all?

This is not as obnoxious as The Martian but still RPO-tier. The dialogue is beyond awful and the writing really bad. Not as atrocious as Scalzi writing though.

>>10268056
>I read them all and consider them trash.
>"You should avoid them because they are trash".

Neckbeard goon redditors have the worst literary justifications.

>>10270938
That's fine.

>>10270940
Hard scifi is usually cancer

>>10270603
It's a great way of keeping track of your books and what you've read, follow your favourite authors and reviewers and staying the fuck away from every other part of the community.

>>10270603
it's a nice autism enabler

>>10270641
tolkien

Is Conan worth reading?

>>10271050
If you like pulp, gore and grand battles, yes, most definitely.

>>10271112
I do, as long as it's somewhat well written.

>>10271113
It gets tedious when perfect woman #124b falls in love with Conan just by watching him being take prisoner and he is rescued in dark lovecraftian ancient evil wizard vizir's dungeon #76 using only a knife and a torch. I'd suggest reading 2-3 stories, taking a break, repeat until you're done.

>>10268500
Can't you see that Anon is special and his special opinions matter, Dank-ey?

>>10269564
>I haven't read the books but here's my opinion and why it matters:

>>10270735
>around me
Here's your mistake. They are not a representative sample of society, ie normies.

>>10269999
Planning his books.

>this shallan and adolin scene
>quips unironically mentioned

>>10270043
You're safe.

>>10270749
If it's just the fourth book, sell it as a spin-off. If you have more, sell it as a new trilogy about the sidekick. Avoid making 2 books out of it.

>>10270909

>>10270916
This. Book 10 was about as slow and boring at books 5-6 or so. Book 11 started to get better but suddenly, Sanderson. Mat is absolutely butchered, Egwene becomes even more of a Mary Sue, subtlety is thrown out of the window etc.

>>10270815
I don't really care, you can make anything work with good execution. Mindlessly subverting genre conventions just to be different is basic bitch shit, just write whatever you want.

>read Sturgeon's "The Microcosmic God"
>the plot is almost 1:1 the fucking the same as Egan's Crystal Nights and that Rick and Morty episode
Kilgore Trout absolutely blown the fuck out. Good artists make, great artists steal.

>>10270942
>if you don't like books I like you are a redditte
I guess we all reddite then.

>>10271135
What are you implying?

OB spoilers
Was anyone expecting Jezrien to get knifed like that? I thought we'd get bridge 4 2.0 where Kaladin sorts him out

>>10265673
For some dumbass reason mega links aren't working on my computer

>>10271582
>tfw you don't even need to read classics because it's all been parodied by rick and morty

WE KILLED YOU!
What did Odium mean by this?

>>10271648
Its available in all torrent places now you cuck. Just use your tracker of choice.

>>10271694
Dalinar was being a little Adonalsium-y channeling power from three shards.

Blindsight.

>>10270796
Spiderlight by Adrian Tchaikovsky

There is a Kindle Deal up for Anthony Ryans Ravens Shadow series and for Sullivans Riyria books for 20€

Which one is better? Should i get both?

Also who the fuck is Tad Williams? Cause his Shadowmarch series is up for the same price and i dont know if i should get it

Is there a Oathbringer audiobook torrent yet?

>>10270440
/lit/ told me not to read brandon sanderson so I will not.

>>10268306
Grrm?

Reccomend me a book series which is reminiscent of asoiaf

>>10271950
WoT. Both will be left unfinished by dead authors only to later be finished by Brandon Sanderson.

>>10271900
>>10271900
Ravens shadow tanks hard after the first book. Blood Song was great, changing it to multiple shitty PoVs in the subsequent books was a terrible mistake.

Riyai is comfy but doesn’t do anything groundbreaking. Your typical thief and warrior duo fantasy.

>>10271950
>>10271964
I mean like a story which has really good character motivations and has some logic to it

>>10271964
Sanderson has way more important things to do than clean up after Martin's incontinence

>>10271980
haha

>>10271950
The Black Company but it has fewer POV characters than A Song of Ice and Fire.

>>10265490

>Also, do you know post-apocalyptic books where the history of the mankind is lost or modified?

>>10265490
Dune

Recently finished this. It was pretty good. Just what I was looking for actually.

>>10265485
Biblia Koshodou no Jiken Techou, LoGH.

I finished the Neuromaencer book.
Where should I go now? I want more of that sweet sweet cyberpunk.
The only other /cyb/ book I read is Snow Crash, which was meh

>>10272297
Gibson's other novels are pretty good as well.

>>10271950
A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms if you want to have some comfy adventures.

>>10270633
What are you after? Short or long?
Sci-fi?
Short: "The Dragon Masters"
Long: the Demon Princes
Fantasy?
Short: various from the Dying Earth collections
Long: Lyonesse
Humor?
(Long:) the Cugel duology
Mystery?
(Haven't read these yet. "The Man in the Cage" won an Edgar.)
Horror?
(Ditto. "Bad Ronald"?)

>Book Two: Oathbringer
This error in the table of contents is fucking glaring.
Also christ almighty I'm legitimately upset that I have this fucking tome and seven more to deal with Shallan's prepubescent views on sex and all the BLUSHING is already grating. I feel that the pacing problems will reemerge as well.

Really wish Brandon would learn to change the way he writes his fucking female characters sometime ever.

>>10272374
there better be buttsecks

>>10272425
*unsheathes safehand*

>>10272425
>>10272452
>safehand
man I just looked this up, cmon Sandy B you're just trying too hard now

Despite the preview chapters being great, Oathbringer ended up being pretty disappointing. The previous two books were a better. That is all.

>>10271908
The very fucking state of sffg

>>10272425
chapter on rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dalinar

>>10272466
Not really, it has a logical reason behind it. And it's only one of the cultures on Roshar, everyone else thinks it's silly.

Please refrain from reading anything by Ian Brandon Sanderson

>>10272436
I'm afraid not

>>10271950
Seconding Black Company.

>>10272501
no.

>>10272501
I am reading his book right now an am because of it entertained.

>>10272563
Keep telling yourself that

>>10272425
Also the Oathbringer epigraphs. I'm 21 chapters in and they have gone nowhere, repeating themselves with different words.
Kinda upset

>>10272580
Yeah part 1 epigraphs are lame. I loved Part 2's though, it's a reply to Hoid's letter

I like Sanderson but his dialogue just grates on me so much. His only "witty" character that comes across as that is somehow Syl, because he knows she's supposed to be simple enough to keep to a fast zinger instead of some convoluted joke that she has to explain after.

>>10272580
It kind of makes sense once you find out who's writing them and the context in which they're written. Not that they become "good", they're still pretty bad, but whether intentional or not it becomes clear why they're bad.

>sudden Sanderson hate out of nowhere
>coincidentally around the same time anon's hype about new book

Never change /lit/

>>10272598
I figured it was Jasnah right off the bat.

>>10272605
>sudden
Lurk moar. There are many mixed opinions.

Are there lust spren?

>>10270887
>there are people who actually think this is good dialogue

>>10272605
>subject arises due to event occurring
>subject is discussed, pro and con

Oh yeah. Who are the figures in the drawings on the inside covers? Are they Heralds?

>>10272614
Just because an anon doesn't like something, doesn't make it objectively bad. It just means it's bad for them.
I know, 4chan culture, and all but discouraging people to read something rubs me the wrong way.
More people should read, and people who read should read more.

>>10272621
Szeths could be better but Nightblood gets a pass in my book due to being an artificial consciousness

>>10272624
Yes.

>>10272642

>>10272644

>>10272644
having a fap to this perhaps

>>10272651

>>10272622
It's a mystery.

>>10272653
Shalash is so elegantly lewd

>You were talking about mating! I’m to make sure you don’t accidentally mate, as mating is forbidden by human society until you have first performed appropriate rituals! Yes, yes. Mmmm. Dictates of custom require following certain patterns before you copulate. I’ve been studying this!

let's give the female autist an even more autistic spren

>>10272642
Neat. Where did you get these images?

>>10272710
don't read the comments
https://www.tor.com/2017/10/26/revealed-the-full-endpapers-from-brandon-sandersons-oathbringer/

>>10272719
stunning and brave

>>10272719
Appreciate you.
>tfw these are higher resolution than the same images on Brandon's site

>>10265485
Infinite Dendrogram

>>10265485
Baccano

where the new thread at bitches

>>10272999
Nobody reads anymore

I can't tell if the oath bringers writing is worse or if I'm losing patience with his style of writing.

New Storms
>>10273270
>>10273270
>>10273270

>>10272135
Yeah. I was surprised with how good it was.

>>10272644
Looks like rihanna