/lit/ - Literature

First for the Dragon Reborn, Coramoor, Car'a'carn, He Who Comes With the Dawn, Shadowkiller, King of Illian, Lord of the Morning, Champion of the Light.

>libraries in weird locations
did someboday say book of the new sun?

Which do you dislike the most?

>[author] is the most brilliant fantasy writer since Tolkien! -Someone

>This book is great. I really like it -George RR Martin

>>10203373
Anon describes Islam: The Anime

>>10203629

For me it's clearly the new tolkien meme.

Hey does anyone else feel these weren't too bad? There was an interesting system of magic along with an generally engaging setting.
It's like reading a good story out of /tg/ or watching a popcorn flick.
Burn me at the stake /lit/

>>10203662
I have much more respect for Eragon than for many other YA books.

It's absolute garbage on pretty much all criterias, but the author's eagerness and honesty is easily felt, and for me that's enough to place it above the YA degeneracy Harry Potter spawned.

There's also a bit of nostalgia. I did like the first book when I read it at 10, and I remember dreaming about having my own dragon following the reading.

>>10203662
My favorite part of eragon was that interview with that author where the journalist strongly hinted that he was probably fucking his sister and called his mother a bird.

>>10203695
link?

>>10200797
wtf? how is this implied? god i'm such a brainlet

>>10203449
>selected
>No simak
SHIT taste. Do you hear me? SHIT list. fuck you, NIGGER.

>>10203662
The books are quite bad and they get worse as they go on. Unfortunately I started to develop some kind of taste during the period of time that they were released, resulting in me loving the first book and hating the last, in the process realizing that the first book wasn't that good either.

That cover is great.

Im about to embark on my first short story that will be written within a universe that I intent to also portray in novel format.

/sffg/, what do you think is the best narration mode for the best way to get the story out there? I'm thinking limited third-person, limited by the character(s) the narrator is observing.

>>10203449
My entire library is in a cardboard box.

>>10203892
Sounds good to me. I'm not an expert critic though.

Why is it that every book sffg shills is always some philosophy shit piece?

>>10203902
I figure avid SF/F readers may have some insights on my choice and other modes of narration

what's a good series about dwarves (or at least with a dwarf as a main character?) someone recommended the death gate cycle but i don't know anything about it.

>>10203968
A Tournament of Shadows series

Was the prologue to Lord of the Rings meant for a first time reader? I'm reading it for the first time, and I have little to no clue what the prologue is talking about.

>>10203968
>about dwarves
No dwarves, but what about gnomes? You okay with that? Try cogweaver trilogy for gnomes.

>>10203979
thanks for the rec

>>10204059
i'm okay with gnomes. david the gnome was one of my first forays into fantasy as a kid

>>10203662
>There was an interesting system of magic along with an generally engaging setting
He stole the core of his magic system from Earthsea and ripped off nearly every halfway interesting thing from his setting from Tolkien. Including the names. His books are so shamelessly derivative that only somebody who has read almost no fantasy could enjoy them.

>>10204051
The prologue is absolutely meant for first-time readers. It's just a combination anthropological study of hobbit society and summary of The Hobbit for those who haven't read it, so I'm not sure what's so confusing about it. Unless you mean the foreword, which is more of a commentary on the text and not really meant for new readers.

>>10203916
If you never see anyone talking about scenes or characters they really enjoy from a book, yet you keep seeing it recommended, that's a pretty good sign it's just being shilled by pseuds. It's also a pretty big red flag to me if the only consistent praise I hear is the author's writing style.

>>10203449
>Where do you store your sff Library?
Mostly on shelves, but there's too many for the shelves now, so some of the less good stuff gets put in dresser drawers or shoeboxes under the bed

>How much did you spend to make your library comfy?
Too much. Probably an average of 5-6 USD per book (I do a lot of yard sales, flea markets etc) over several hundred books. Thousands for sure.

>How many sff books do you have in your library?
Around 300 out of a total collection of 700 or so (the rest is nonfiction, "outer /lit/", and other genres like mystery and horror)

>How many sff books you read this year?
Maybe 8 or 9. Been doing a lot of heavier Literary-with-a-capital-L stuff for uni.

>>10204207
"scenes and characters" aren't what matters about a book. Soap operas have scenes and characters.

Are there ANY decent litRPGs?

>>10204305
Yeah but books are supposed to have better scenes and characters.

>>10203921
I actually mostly read horror, and that's the narration style I like the most. So I'm not what you'd call an avid SF/F reader.

I'm currently shilling The Influence by Ramsey Campbell. It's on Mobilism. It's a good book.

>>10204325
no

https://brandonsanderson.com/oathbringers-timeline/

I love this, pure autism

What are some more old fantasy novels like Tolkien's work or the Earthsea cycle that feel mythic and magical. The kind of stuff that goes well with dungeon synth. Stuff tgat feels obscure and special. A lot of modern fantasy feels srtificial and empty. Like it's missing something special.

>It’s a period of turmoil in Britain, with the country’s politicians electing to remove the UK from the European Union, despite ever-increasing evidence that the public no longer supports it. And the small town of Lychford is suffering. But what can three rural witches do to guard against the unknown? And why are unwary hikers being led over the magical borders by their smartphones’ mapping software? And is the immigration question really important enough to kill for?

>>10204718
I remember when Paul Cornell was good

>>10204709
The Worm Ouroboros. Alternatively, anything by Dunsany.

>watch a couple Brandon Sanderson's lectures
>talks about interesting stuff like limitations of magic systems and making the fictional world feel culturally original
>suddenly starts talking about white privilege and feminist theory

What is with American colleges? I mean it wasn't twitter tier bad but jesus.

>>10204919
Well you get what you deserve when you watch Ian Brandon Sanderson.

>>10204919
nobody cares that you got triggered, snowflake.

>>10204937
Is he not popular around here? Don't post much.

>>10204976
I'll kick you're ass kid watch out

>>10204913
>Dunsany
He wrote some top-tier short stories.

I am writing a chapter in my giant fantasy novel where I suddenly throw about 20 new characters in my readers' faces. The story is pretty easy to follow up until this point, so I'm hoping to perplex and take people off guard with this.

Is it a bad idea? I genuinely need these characters to be developed, but there is so much exposition to be done early in the story that I am thinking of just slamming this group of characters down and hoping the readers can keep up with atleast the important ones.

>>10205002
lol

>>10205002
That seems like Itd be really hard to pace. 2-5 characters maybe but 20 is just ridiculous.

>>10205002
exposition is for plebs

>>10204988
>I'll kick you're ass kid watch out

you're gonna have to get out of that rascal scooter first old man, careful you don't have a heart attack.

Are they good?

>>10205109
They're amazing.

I want to read these books. Are they good?

>>10205005
Why lol?

>>10205119
No. They are edgy shit. Good only for kindling. But that's just my opinion.

>>10205119
>Are they good?
No.

>>10205002
This is science fiction and fantasy how?
Read the second apocalypse series, all seven books of both trilogies, R Scott Bakker has scenes with many new character names.

>>10205002
Why would you ever want to perplex your readers?

>>10203449
>Where do you store your sff Library?
My room, duh
>How much did you spend to make your library comfy?
Money? Not much, most of my furniture are hand-me-downs from my family house. But I spent quite a lot of time getting the arrangement right, so that direct sunlight never shines on my books.
>How many sff books do you have in your library?
Around 110
>How many sff books you read this year?
Hate to admit it, but only around 20-25. Way less than last year, don't have much time for reading lately and I don't enjoy audiobooks. Currently reading Cordwainer Smith's short stories about the Instrumentality of Mankind.

>>10205119
The protagonist can get pretty grating at times. I enjoyed The Red Queen's War and Red Sister more than The Broken Empire books but you'd still probably need to read The Broken Empire first before reading them.

>>10204709
Robert E Howard's 'Conan' stories.

Any books which involves curses like in silmarillion?

>reading codex allera
>first book was alright
>second book starts out slow and halfway through turns into invasion of the body snachters
i like it. i hope the series keeps this up.

>>10205119
No fantasy or sci-fi book is good, really, if that's what you're asking.

>>10205599
What about Borges and Calvino?

>>10204709
Gormenghast, especially the first two. Doesn't get much more dungeony than a giant castle in a mountain.

Also, what dungeon synth do you listen to? I've only heard Depressive Silence. Goes really well with The Two Towers from LotR.

>>10203477
People say that after book 6, the series loses his steam and don't get any good? Is that true? I've only read up to 5 and I thought that was fun.

Barylambdas, diatrymae, gylptodons, smilodons. Wolfe loves extinct megafauna.

>>10203698
You're gonna have to google it bro, I don't have it on hand.

>>10204919
he talked about it for like 15 or 20 minutes and it wasn't even remotely as preachy as the usual Twitter/tumblr fare. stop being so sore anytime someone brushes the topic of feminism.

>>10205644
Seconding Gormenghast. It's really special.

it helps that Peake has absolutely incredible descriptive language

What is the Madoka Magica of /sffg/?

>>10206076
Tolkien

>>10203449
Is annhilation worth a read? The trailer looks interesting.

I started on this book, getting to the half of the story. its getting interesting, also i find the fights a little close to the hyperion cantos battles with the nemes.

Has anyone read this? I can’t tell based on the description whether it’s pro or anti leftism. Author is a fan of Gene Wolfe tho.

>>10206076
>What is the Madoka Magica of /sffg/?

>what did he mean by this

>>10204919
Jesus I thought Sanderson was one of the few redpilled authors out there. I mean he’s a fucking Morman who’s against gay marriage for fuck’s sake. I need to quit coming here.

>>10206116
Don't know. There's an anon who's been asking for an sffg equivalent to popular anime for the past few threads.

>tfw you've only completed three anime in your whole life

>>10206076
For the memes I'll say Book of the New Sun.

>>10206118

>mormon
>redpilled

Are you this retarded anon?

>>10205780

>Google it with the faint hope of finding something of interest
>Stumble upon the blog of some nameless guy
>"Confessions 5 - I hate Christopher Paolini "
>"[...]Fantasy sucks. The vast majority of fantasy and science fiction novels are badly written and cliched [...] I know there are exceptions to the hideous rule, such as the well-known and quickly-declining-in-integrity Harry Potter books[...]"

Thanks for indirectly making me laugh tonight anon

>>10206036
>>10205644

>>10206146
They’re anti faggotry. That’s extremely redpilled in the normie sphere

>>10206118

You must be an ameritard to consider any of his writings to be redpilled. Literally 99% of it are reflexions over the need to believe in God or the need for social justice -especially racial egality.

And while he does oppose gay mariage because muh sanctity of bonds, he has no issue with people fucking people of the same sex and living together -at least on public record.

And I'm an absolute shiller for Sanderson. I think the only things I haven't read from him is the Wheel of Time and the animu thing. But to think him redpilled, man...

>>10206174

At the very least one of his character -albeit extremely secondary, I'll give you that- is a lesbian.
Inb4 tokenist publicity stunt imposed by his editor, but while sanderson might not like faggets on a personal level, his writing certainly does not reflect it.

>>10206182
>>10206174
>>10206146
>>10206118
>>10205987
>>10206192
Please contain yourselves.

>>10206100
>nemes.
Don't you mean weaponized memes?

>>10206182
>need for social justice
Give four examples or you’re full of shit.

>>10204937
>Ian Brandon Sanderson

You might be onto something...

>>10206118
Mormons are just another branch of your typical Israel-first, America-second, fuck-everyone-else American Protestants.

They're barely a step above Jehovah's Witnesses.

>>10206205
No, Radamanth Nemes from Hyperion Cantos

>>10206231
Oh because quantum thief has weaponized memes and battle autism.

>>10206237
just like you said, it was a huge let down.

>>10206237
I was reffering to the likeness of hyperion in the battles, like against the shrike. Its just matter of seconds to end the fight.

>>10206218

>Mistborn is about a girl from an inferior slave race (that "god" designed to be inferior slaves btw) who goes beyond the racial division to unite the people against a greater threat. Oh and also not only is she a fantasy-nigger, she's a street urchin fantasy-nigger. Double lot of social justice.

>Way of kings is about two young adult, one from the privileged side, the other from the slave fantasy-niggers side learning, among other things, to reject the norms of society and the social separation it taught them l(also goes for Delinar and pretty much everyone else) so they can unite the people against a greater threat.

>Elantris is about the privilegest white boy seeing his social order suddenly thrown upside down, with him becoming the niggrest and living in an actual segregated ghetto. Meanwhile, his future girlfriend, a privileged white girl, has to face unrealistic standards of beauty and must learn to look beyond appearances so they can unite the people against a greater threat.

>Warbreaker is about the degeneracy of an idle privileged class that totally lost its purpose of helping others. Not *that* much uniting people against a greater threat here, even if it's still present.

>Rithmatist is about seemingly normal guy that a genetic defect turned into a soft outcast -the kind of outcast that still lives in society, but knows he'll never really be a part of it, always at the bottom of the social ladder. Hopefully, his eagerness and talent forces the established social order to recognize him, and he and his privileged girlfriend unite the people against a greater threat (or, to be fair, they will once more books come out).

Broad strokes, but it should be enough for you, shouldn't it?

>>10206261
and what about mistborn 2nd era?

>>10206261
I didn't know you were supposed to get so much out of Sanderson. I honestly doubt Sanderson looks to promote such an intense agenda. He just writes what he thinks fantasy readers will find good.

>>10206261
Mistbirb girl is white. Was Charles Dickens an sjw for writing about poor english orphan boys?

>>10206294

>Privileged, upper class white boy becomes righter of wrongs with the help of his quirky former street urchin. James-Bond-Q-equivalent is a lesbian. Muh poverty creates crime, but muh the great minds behind everything are actually privileged white bois. Hero learns to look beyond social masks and markers to see the actual person -he learns to not hate/fear his wife that reminds him of the upper class he hates/fear. Ghetto with the Sazed-people (forgot their name).

I'll still give you three things: most of the social justice in 2nd era comes from the play on western codes, but it's undeniably there. Second thing is last book is a bit confusing as to where Sanderson wants to take it, with his SF-B-Movie feel, so I'll wait for the serie to end to make a final judgment. Third thing is while 2nd era is light on the social justice compared to 1st era, the whole religious pondering is much, much, much more present.

>>10206300

I don't know, were Dickens poor english orphan boys from a race that god literally designed with the intent of making them slaves -lesser intelligence, better physical performances for manual labour, better resistance to harsh climatic environment, etc, and were subject to enourmous social stigmas from the upper class due to their heredity, despite crossbreeding diminishing said differences over time?

Of course Vin isn't *actually* black-skinned, the same way Shallan isn't *actually* white-skinned. Because even Sanderson knows how not to be too heavy on real-world similarities

>>10206106
I'm reading it right now and I think I like it. The opening half is very slow because it's introducing all the characters and IMO is tiresome because they're almost all famous rich people, including literal goddamn nobility, but it picks up afterwards.

But what I'm getting from it is that she's a lefty writing a cautionary tale and is crafting a future where society kept moving towards a more socialist/communist state but did not actually enhance the rights of it's people. Society is still racist, the narrator points out that India has only one seat in the Asian Hive despite having more people than Japan's multiple seats for example. Gender issues just got swept under the rug in favor of being gender neutral, and likewise for religion, it's illegal to talk about your beliefs with more than three people at once. (and apparently most of the Middle East is a literal reservation)

In other words, I'd say she understands that in Latin "utopia" means "nowhere place," a place that cannot actually exist.

>>10206298

This isn't super deep analysis bruh. This is just pretty much just looking at the plot as a whole. Those points are so obvious and spammed throughout his works that I can't see it not being at least partially put there on purpose.

And anyway, him "promoting an intense agenda" is not actually the point. I originally reacted to an anon calling him redpilled, and I said he must have been american to call him redpilled, precisely because all of that Sanderson writing is so, so, soooo american. Because all the segregation, slavery thing is something americans are always conscious of, and therefore, in a way, you don't even see it when it's as obvious as in sanderson's case. Precisely because for an american writer, "what he thinks is fantasy readers will find good" is fantasy that, in one way or another, deals with the social justice side of segregational heritage.

>>10204305
Pseud detected

>>10206076
I'm guessing you mean "story that starts out looking fairly light and straightforward and then goes MAXIMUM SUFFERING AND DESPAIR partway through"
Honestly, I can't think of anything.

>>10203752
If I recall correctly, Wolfe describes the avern moving and appearing oddly during the combat, as if it were a multi-dimensional object or otherwise not precisely how it literally exists in Severian's perception of reality.

>>10206366
From what I've heard that would be Red Rising.

I'm holding off the rest of Elric and Clark Ashton Smith to give BOTNS a re-read, after at least a year. Even after the first sixty pages I can tell that I'm better able to get a grip on the story, better appreciating certain allusion (I ought to have noticed the St Katherine thing the first time around) and spotting foreshadowing. For another thing, Severian as an unreliable narrator is now obvious. It's explicit as early on as the penultimate paragraph of the third chapter, following:

---

I caught the name Vodalus in the air; but at that moment it seemed I was the only one who heard it, and suddenly I felt Vodalus had been
only an eidolon created by my imagination from the fog, and only the man I had slain with his own ax real. The dossiers I had fumbled through a moment before seemed blown like leaves against my face. It was in this instant of confusion that I realized for the first time that I am in some degree insane. It could be argued
that it was the most harrowing of my life. I had lied often to Master Gurloes and Master Palaemon, to Master Malrubius while he still lived, to Drotte because he was captain, to Roche because he was older and stronger than I, and to Eata and the other smaller apprentices because I hoped to make them respect me. Now I could no longer be sure my own mind was not lying to me; all my falsehoods were recoiling on me, and I who remembered everything could not be certain those memories were more than my own dreams. I recalled the moonlit face of Vodalus; but then, I had wanted to see it. I recalled his voice as he spoke to me, but I had desired to hear it, and the woman's voice too.

>>10206366
Hey
i like books like this, anyone can give me some recomendations?

>>10203449
>Where do you store your sff Library?
In stacks on my desk
>How much did you spend to make your library comfy?
Absolutely nothing
>How many sff books do you have in your library?
At the moment fifteen
>How many sff books you read this year?
Like ten, twenty

I used to have whole walls of double stuffed bookcases, entire rooms full of boxes, etc... Easily ten thousand, maybe a lot more. But I'm not really the kind of guy who re-reads things, and I was running out of space, so I sold/threw out everything and now I just keep the things I'm currently working my way through and dump em when I'm finished. Also used to read a lot more, like one doorstopper a day or about five normal sized ones, read my way through a small library in a year. But I've gotten a lot less interested the last few years. Didn't read a single book for the last three or so years.

>>10206311
> the whole religious pondering is much, much, much more present.
like a lot with a living god trying to do something, i think its like the dream for sanderson to have a living god actually giving a fuck.
>the great minds behind everything are actually privileged white bois
Sure, always the higher economic power in these books is planning something that alter the petty worker, like in that memory of Wax in the bank with is uncle but now is in a larger scale.
Also a friend talked to me about the chracters " Wax and his henchmen". I see it in a different scale, its the legend and a veteran man who is with a group of people who see it in a step higher in their moral grounds.

>>10206261
Just report and hide guys. He's not having luck in other lit, so he is trying to b8 us.

>>10203892
Third person limited is probably the easiest, you're a new writer so I'd stick with that.

>>10204718
Something like this could legitimately be good, even from a leftist perspective, but the messaging is always so far prioritized above any literary quality it never comes off as anything other than a fixed-up Reddit RP.

>>10204919
Teaching at an American college in 2017 without mentioning Progressive ideology is like teaching at a Soviet college in 1937 without mentioning Communism.

>>10203916
As a casual user of the thread, I honestly see the opposite. Most the stuff that gets recommended in this general is pulpy stuff like Sanderson and Jordan. The only even mid-brow writer I see mentioned a lot (as in consistently every thread) is Wolfe, and that's because Wolfe is legitimately good

>>10205002
You don't need 20 developed characters. If you think you do, you're wrong and you need to adjust your story.

If you want to learn how to do lots of characters, read War & Peace. I'm not kidding. You're not Tolstoy, but you can see what he's doing -- note which characters receive the most development, how he introduces new characters, how he develops the different levels of minor characters, where the line is between a "minor character" and a throwaway. If you're trying to do more than he was, you're probably doing something wrong.

>keep up with at least the important ones.
Eliminate the unimportant characters. Why are they even there?

So the Autarch's pyramid in Thrax is it supposed to be one of the pyramids in South America, anyone got a specific real world location on where it could be or is it maybe Giza?

So I'm a way through book 4 and I'm getting pretty damn tired of all the Richard/Kahlan relationship drama. You'd think at some point the two of them would just decide "You know what there's nothing in the world worth dealing with all this bullshit" and give up, but nope.

Also all of the bad guys so far have been the same. The first time it was okay, but it's a bit repetitive.

>>10206106
I've read it, and I recommend it. If I had to choose, I would say that it's "pro-left", but not in an especially retarded way; the author is a well-read scholar and to the extent she buys into any modern pieties it's not without reservation or reflection.

>>10206711

Sword of truth is fucking shit and I hope the meme and its author die painfully.

How is the gin in fuligin pronounced, like the drink or the Japanese word for silver?

after lurkin n dees genarals foe sum time i figired out sum tings

1 evry buk dis gen h8s is actualee good
>Redy playa 1, red rizing, name o da win, sundersun, war hamma, broeken empyre, etc

2 evry buk dis gen likes is actualee sh8
>gormenhast, buryed giant, Solaris, starmarker, da ting itshelf, To like da lighting, botns, conan, etc

Sorrie foe baad englishh: just learning the languaze

>>10206711
I forget, did you get to the auto-cucking yet?
You'll know what I mean when it happens.

>>10206711
I told all you faggots multiple times. Do not read books from authors who has terry in their name.

>>10206764
My Merriam-Webster app says fuliginous with gin as in shaken, not stirred.

>>10206849
What you reading donkey and how is your 17 year old teenage daughter?
England is my city and consent is 16 here

How long will it be before we get a soft cover for Oathbringer? I usually don't follow series.

>Mfw just read the chapter Terminus Est in Lictor

Any good artwork of Baldanders vs Severian?

what's a good series with well described swordplay? or even just a one-off?

>>10203968
A lot of Forgotten Realms has good dwarven stuff.

>>10207094
I wouldn't even know where to start. I've never read anything R.A. Salvatore

>>10207095
R.A Salvatore is hit or miss. If you want to read some classic stuff, you could start off with the Drow Elf trilogy. It gives you a decent background into the Forgotten Realms lore. Ther is a slew of books expanding on it and several sagas spanning years of the timeline.

>>10207065
R.A Salvatore.

What are /sffg/'s thoughts on Margaret Weiss?

>>10204325
edge of destiny by J. Robert King

>>10207113
https://youtu.be/qGSlmpDQIH8

>>10207146
Interesting.

>>10205674
Book 7 was okay, book 8 really meh, book 9 the same but with a nice ending, book 10 the most boring of all, book 11 actually good, then Sandersons picks up and even though he does some things better (like the pacing) he ruins other things. I, nevertheless, liked the last ones.
Long story short: if you feel like going on, do it.

>>10206163
You're welcome.

It was a rolling stone article. Search for "rolling stone birdlike eragon"

hi guys what is the best spooky book involving witches?

Why do we hate Malazan again?

>>10207677
for me? it's too unwieldy to give a shit about

>>10207636
Dreams in the Witch-House by H. P. Lovecraft.

Reminder that The Doors of Stone will be a life-changing masterpiece and a great commercial success. And you can do nothing about it.

>>10207733
wait, did it finally get a release date?

>>10207745
No.

>>10207733
I honestly hope it will. If it could turn out that Rothfuss had an actual plan for the series and the first two books were written that way for a reason, he could be the new Wolfe.

>>10207677
Because other than Gene Wolfe there's someone in /sffg/ who will complain about anything.

>>10207757
>he could be the new Wolfe
Eh. Maybe for his next series, if what you say would actually be true.

>>10207760
I always see people hating on it and then promoting gene wolfe over it I'm not sure why though.

>>10207766
Because there is literally no sci-fi/fantasy that can't be ignored in favor of Gene Wolfe.
Or at least that's when I get from reading these threads.

>>10207733
https://youtu.be/dW8efme5eSU?t=7386

>If you want the book to come out faster, help me impeach Trump!

What did the author Patrick Rotfuss mean by this?

>>10207840
Fucking christ. Unless you're being imprisoned by your government, there is no reason why you should not be able to write a book.

I don't care if it's a veiled allegory about Trump, just put the fucking thing out.

>>10207033
We already have a soft cover?

>>10207840
Stop trying to steer this thread to pol territory.
Or continue, the mods are watching.

>>10207944
>Or continue, the mods are watching.
So young, so naive. They barely do anything about the rampant /pol/lution on /lit/

>>10205572
Having recently read through all 6 books, I think the series is at it's best through the first 3 books but stays good throughout. Plus it's fun.

>>10205119
I haven't even read it and I know it's nothing but edgy trash.

Is dragonlance a good fantasy series?
Does it have romance?

>>10208144
It isn't bad, the Majere Twins saga was a great read.

Yes, it has romance.

>>10208159
I've read about the soulforget(forgotten the name of the badass mage).
Is it true there's ntr in his story?

>>10208106
just started book 3 and im kinda disappointed kitai doesnt seem to show up in it.

>>10208166
I don't remember if there's NTR, it's been several years.

>>10208260
She shows up a lot more as it goes on, and she manages to be consistently likeable which is pretty rare for a love interest in a fantasy series honestly.

>>10208302
i like her because of her attitude and i like dominant women.
i hope she shows up more.
the ending of book 2 was cute. and in the beginning when the first lord grilled tavi about if they slept together i was kinda mad.
>2 years with a hot women that is soulbonded to you and you still havent split her in two
fucking kids man.

>>10207065
Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd and GRay Mouser stories have a lot of sword fights. Fritz was a keen fencer so the choreography feels well observed.

Howard's Conan has a lot of fights, but they're more brutal. His violent scenes hold up well and I think this was his strength as a writer.

If you're into magic swords, Michael Moorcock's sentient Stormbringer is a lot like something from an anime or videogame, lots of shrieking and clanging displays of soul-sucking energy.

How complete is this? What am I going to be missing? (Barnes & Noble).

>>10208369
He's not that great anyway, you will get all the good stories.

>ctrl+f
>"wow..."
>0 results

are we living in a new golden age?

A month or two ago, somebody recommended a fantasy book with a lion woman character a la elder scrolls. For some reason, I thought it was Jack Vance's Lyonesse book but not that I try to get it (really fucking hard to get), the plot doesn't add up.

Does anyone remember a lion woman character? Might have been in dark fantasy setting.

>>10207935
>hype lost
>what did he mean by this

>>10208435
I remember an anon that talked about writing one. If it were SciFi I'd say Cherryh's Chanur series since it's pretty clearly "Lion Woman". I got nothing for fantasy, unless Lion isn't meant specifically and just refers to felines in general. Do you remember any more details?

>>10207935
>>10208477
How long does it take for the paperback to be released?
I would like to get hardcover now but all my other books are softcover. Plus, I like to read on the bus, I rather have a smaller book.

>>10208392
Not until the third book comes out.

>>10207065
Roger Zelazny's Amber series contains described swordplay. I don't know my broadsword from my bastard so I couldn't say if it's good.

>>10203449
What do you guys think of the Horus Heresy? Am I a pleb? I'm enjoying it, it's my first time being exposed to Warhammer 40k.

>>10208533
its good, some of the authors are really good, some books are worth skipping but not many

>>10208527
Amber is good, but not for the swordplay. I don't even remember any important actual sword scenes.

>>10208533
do you play WH40k?

>>10208558
No

>>10208555
Corwin versus Benedict, for one. Corwin spars a lot in Avalon, with Benedict's daughter, solos the Amber army up Colvir for a bit, etc. I'm pretty sure there some quartre and sextre stuff in there but I don't have an ebook handy to check in Calibre.

>>10208558
>it's my first time being exposed to Warhammer 40k.

what do you think?

>>10208548
Nice, I'm just starting Flight of the Eisenstein.
>tfw no more Loken

>>10208581
[Loken survives and comes back later]

yeah all the first 5 books are good.

>>10208578
Right those are important plot points, but I don't recall the swordplay being actually important except for throwing around a few fencing meme words. Tho I'll admit my memory of Amber is a bit fuzzy.
I still wouldn't advise Amber to someone looking for well described swordplay.

I think the best anglo-saxon fantasy for swordplay I've read is Kingdoms of thorn and bone. Too bad it's edgy shit.

I know a solid french fantasy book but it's not translated, so unless original anon knows french...

>>10204177
might be why I enjoyed them at the age of 10. I just recall them as cozy.

>>10208513
Unless Pete means to imply than Omniscience is also a medical condition, I'm at a loss as to what it's title will be.

>>10208144
>dndshit
>good
Anon, i...

>>10208507
usually about a year

does it make sense that a harvest god who taught humanity to cook their food would also be the one use an irresistible hunger-style zombie virus as a plague

Flowery prose? Yes. Gene Wolfe has it. He's a talented writer that can make a pretty sentence. I was often impressed with his word usage and some of the sentences were really enjoyable to read.

That said, you don't have to construct pretty sentences to impress me. That won't last but a moment, gone by the time I've moved to the next sentence. But when you string along a bunch of them, I start getting annoyed. Look, I read a work of fiction for story. Not to clap my hands to my face and get orgasmic because the writer is so very talented and smart.

I get that Gene Wolfe is smarter than I am. Frankly, I don't give much of a fuck. I'm reading a book for story. Tell me one. And while you're doing that, try using the language that your readers read (in this case English). Wolfe has this insanely annoying tendency to make up a bunch of words without definition and string them through the narrative, making the readers feel like the dumbfucks because they don't know what they mean. Many of these you can pick up in context, until after the halfway point of the book when context goes out the window. Because you don't know the fuck is going on. And don't much care by this point. This reminded me of China Mieville, and as people that know me will tell you, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING.

I found myself skimming by the last 40 pages or so. Sure, I missed a lot of what was happening by doing this, but to be honest, I wouldn't have gotten much more by reading every flowery word. I'd have just been more impressed with Wolfe's ability to use fancy words (which he either makes up or I'm just too stupid to comprehend), and been angry with him for wasting my time.

>>10208016
But they banning for experimental literature.

>>10209270
>implying this is not somewhat legitimate criticism
BotNS is obviously not for everyone and while I don't agree with this review I understand that some people feel that way.

>>10208314
>using a spiritual connection to force/coerce a girl into having sex with you
Not everyone thinks with their dicks.

>>10209342
pretty sure it was the other way around.

>>10208129
>i don't even read but I can tell you about a book

>>10209225
Flavor anon that you?

>>10209346
Remind me. What this connection is, I've read over 300 books since reading Codex Alera.
Was she that furry alien hybrid that was hatched?

>>10209398
its in the first book and explained further in the second.
kitai wanted to be bonded with a horse but when tavi saved her she subconciesly wanted to be bonded with him and then it happened.
turns out she was surprised by how intelligent and clever he is and was fascinated with his green eyes.
shes also the one that initiated a sexual relationship and the one that wants it all teh time.

>>10209270
In my experience prose is in fact the only thing that lasts.

>>10209456
To expand. Story is depleted by the first time I read it. Prose, well-written dialogue, interesting interactions are the only things I find myself coming back to in a book.

only faggots read such shit

>>10209385
man, I actually went out of my way to be discreet this time.

Is that you literally-always-here anon?

are there some charts with actually good sci-fi/fantasy romance novels?
obviously nothing written by a woman because those are mostly geared towards women. also should distinguish smut and regular books. theres actually a few specific things im looking for.

>love between human and alien
>love between human and monster(girl)
>comming of age stories
>crushes that develop into love
>innocent love
>love borne out of opposition

>>10208369
The main thing it's missing are the stories he co-wrote with other authors, e.g. The Curse of Yig. It also doesn't have any of his letters, which is something only a Lovecraft autist would care about anyway.

As far as stories written by HPL himself, it's complete. A lot of the "Cthulhu Mythos" stuff comes from those collaborative stories though, or from August Derleth. So if you feel like you're missing something based on your exposure to "Lovecraftian" pop culture that's why.

>>10209528
Read LMMB's Vorkosigan Saga. Chronological or publication order doesn't really matter IMO.

>>10209477
Not always here, as I wasn't a neet since 2012, but reads through every post? Yes.

>>10209595
put them on my list.
keep em suggestions coming. one of these days i might actually make a chart or something.

>>10209417
Ah yes. They native savage from across the lands.

>>10209475
>>>/vip/
Why are you slumming with us great lord? Take your "since" ass to bants

>>10209605
meant more in the sense of "always is" than "always was" but anyway, it been what? 2-4 months since last time? Hows the haps?

>>10208369
Anon, you don't read decorative copies, that defeats the entire point of them. You're supposed to have a fancy one to put on your shelf as a trophy and a more complete paperback or e-book that cost you $0.99

will I as a 25 y/o hugless, kissless virgin who've been NEET for 8 years and dropped out of HS enjoy the Foundation series by IA?

>>10209697
Go for it, it's literally made for you.

>>10209528
Perdido Street Station

>>10209762
read it. that ending was depressing. lin did not deserve what happened to her.

>>10209475
Only faggots post shit

Huh?

>>10204177
to be fair Tolkien just ripped most of his names from Norse mytology

I'm pretty sure than every one of 13 dwarves is named in Völuspá

>>10209686
Same as usual. It's becoming obvious that a lot of these anons don't actually read, and the majority of the ones that do only come around when college is closed or it's a major holiday.

>>10209844
I forgot, but didn't 4chen have the emblem on every post before they started that "since4pass" thing?

>>10209908
Yeah it was enabled by default but it was as obnoxious as a fuck. (This pass expires today and I got it for free from the banner contest)

>>10209908
Then they stopped it from popping up everywhere

>>10209896
I imagine people here do read, though not always for the right reasons, and those who don't probably have become too jaded to enjoy anything. On the other hand reading something isn't necessary to complain about it and people here enjoy hating things more than liking them.

I hope the novel im getting close to finishing can help at least one person with that middle part

>>10209956
>the right reasons
Staving off crippling existential dread and depression? Passing the time while waiting for inevitable death? Collecting literary references and talking points to discuss in lieu of any actual opinions or experiences?

>>10210013
the way I see it, reading should only be done for the sake of enjoyment or learning, preferably both though that's not always possible

Granted, the wrong reasons can occasionally lead to the right reasons. I started reading about quantum physics when I was in highschool because I wanted to look smart, now 6 years later I just do it because it continues to fascinate me and I'm learning new things even now. I just learned three days ago that brain waves are actually a form of low-frequency radio wave and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it

>>10209788
Yeah.
I love depressing endings for some reason.

>>10210063
>I just learned three days ago that brain waves are actually a form of low-frequency radio wave and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it
Did you think they were called "waves" just for the hell of it? FFS man, you said you started reading about quantum fucking physics six years ago and you still don't know what "wave" means. Christ.

>>10210080
Wave doesn't always necessarily refer to a literal wave, sometimes it just means some kind of periodic oscilation. I thought it was more like some kind of rhythmic chemical cycle in the brain and didn't pursue it any further until a few days ago when I remembered "Oh yeah, neurons firing cyclically -> alternating currents -> EM waves"

It's not so much about not understanding as it is things just not clicking. Sort of like how you don't think of tofu as fake cheese until something triggers the realization

>>10210063
The best part of reading is when you finally reach critical mass in a subject and realise that almost everything you read was bullshit and most of what you "knew" was either pointless or wrong. That "I read this entire goddamn library and it was less clear and useful than this one paragraph forum post"/"this entire thousand page textbook could be replaced by an index card reference table"/"this author actually doesn't know jack shit and has just been bullshitting me for the past twenty chapters"/"No one has any fucking clue what they're talking about or doing and is just blindly speculating with no attempts at acquiring proof or even data to back themselves up" moment.

That's for nonfiction, then you get into the fiction side where you suddenly have some sort of biblical revelation and can finally SEE the shit writing like Neo in the Matrix and every goddamn book is so fucking awful and boring and why do you even read this shit it's so fucking bad who writes this garbage? The moment when the battered housewife realizes her abusive husband is never going to change his ways, and all the hints at a better future, all the optimistic hopes about coherent plots and likeable characters are just delusions but it's too late to leave now there's no chance of a better life so she stabs him to death as he lays in one of his drunken stupors, drowns the kids and burns the house down with her inside.

BotNS is okay, but it just doesn't captivate me like I want it to. The scenes are well written and I can't think of many things I actively dislike, but I just feel no need to continue reading.

How come good fantasy names are so rare?

>>10210123
What defines a good fantasy name exactly?

>>10210130
F'tal'thu'gor'thon

>>10210123
>>10210130
>>10210134
>top fantasy names
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUsNY3--npY

>>10210130
I edited my post till I grew bored and posted this one sentence. I wanted to point out that, to my ear, Tolkien's names like Sindri, Faramir, Grishnakh, Maiar and so on sound believable and appropriate when so many others like Kaladin, Gul'Dan, and Norrec sound really weird. Especially if the name has an apostrophe in the middle.

I only have a decent at best knowledge of linguistics but isn't the apostrophe supposed to signify a change in how you're supposed to pronounce the letter preceding it? Can a linguist pro tell me if I'm a faggot or not? I remember finding that it's used to in one of the slavic languages or at least it's early forms to create letters like ch and sh from c', t', s'.

>>10210161
At least for the humans, dwarves and wizards Tolkein stole nearly all of them from norse myths

Fantasy linguistics is a mess because most people don't have the kind of autism and specialization that would let them create a whole language just for a novel they're writing. As a result, the names are either pure aesthetic or picked purely for the sake of being meaningful.

I'm actually kind of stuck with that right now because I think I need to rename my main character

>>10210183
>I'm actually kind of stuck with that right now because I think I need to rename my main character
Whatser name, anon?

what book should I read

>>10209869
That's only for The Hobbit. Names in LotR and the rest of the legendarium have considerably more autism put into them.

>>10210192
I named her Eve[line] because of a snake motif and her curious nature... also it worked really well with a character who repeatedly screwed up her name

Problem is her last name made no sense after some heavy rewrites and I can't figure out one that sounds good. Something astronomy related...

>>10210196

>>10209913
You were the cunt that made this?

>>10210119
>you get into the fiction side where you suddenly have some sort of biblical revelation and can finally SEE the shit writing like Neo in the Matrix and every goddamn book is so fucking awful and boring and why do you even read this shit it's so fucking bad who writes this garbage?
Right, but then there's the Nirvana stage when you realize you can have fun and find value even in a flawed, imperfect world with flawed, imperfect novels in it. You're almost there, boy.

>>10210183
There are a ton of conlangs out there made by hobbyists who do just about nothing else, and lifting them is completely legal since you can't copyright a language.

>>10210220
Eve[line] Celest[ial]
Celestial because of celestial dragons who are bottomless wells of curiosity and knowledge. They twine through the universe increasing their base of learning through new discoveries

>>10210370
Sounds like a character from a shit tier fanfic written by a 16 year old girl.

I just finished The Einstein Intersection by Delany and I'm really ready to die

>>10210373
Eve[line] Ursa [major]
because the big dipper is like a snake

>>10210260
I cannot wait for the sequel. One of the better books I've read in the past year or two, and I don't even like Fantasy.

>>10210390
She better be large, hairy and grumpy.

>>10210220
>>10210370
Celestial is not a last name, lmao.

Try Eveline Apollos, or Eveline Umbra, or Eveline Luneros

I have a better one but I'm already using it in my fantasy story

>>10210331
No, another board's.

>>10210390
>>10210373
>>10210370
>>10210220
Can also use Eve Serpens or Eve Ophiuchus. If my other 2 weren't up to scratch.

>>10210401
You can name anything for a last name.
What you Americlaps don't understand is that people the world over have different ways to name their children.
People have colours for last names, people have vehicles for last names, people have first names for last names. If the guy wants to put Celest as a last name it's up to him.

>>10210404
G, h, hm, biz which one??? Why do I have to ask a second question when you knew the question without me asking?

Cassini?

>>10210419

>>10210426
I did what I had to.

What I did, I did without choice. In the name of peace and sanity, but not in the name of anonymous.

>>10209956
I read shit, but since my post-reading posts never got any replies I never bother making new ones for novels I finish. I do reply to every just-finished post about a book I've read though, to be the change I want to see.

Is optimistic sci-fi a dead genre?

Damn... So I watched Blade Runner, the first one, last weekend and now have found out it was based on "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". Looks like I can't read it because I am tainted by the movie, as in cannot imagine for myself and will resort to what I remember from the movie.

>>10210491
I don't think anyone sees an optimistic future for humanity anymore.

>>10210501
They're barely even connected.

>>10210445
always felt ironic that americans keep posting this

>>10210474
The problem sffg has with post-reading posts is that you could very easily create a blog to catalog them.

I do enjoy reading them though. I just never have anything to respond most of the time as I often have not read the books discussed.

By the way guys, Halloween is here. Want to get in the mood? You can try pic-related. I promise I'll stop shilling when November starts.

>>10210622
This. I put long reviews on my blog with my real name, and I don't want to intrude my ego on here so I just give sentence-long recs.

goddammit, why did writers block have to kick in now when I'm so close to the end?

I just have to write one extended fight sequence and then the epilogue! that's it!

>>10210732
>writers block
It's okay anon, you're among friends, you don't have to use that fake excuse here.

>>10210454
It's either the jp or s banner...

>>10210603
Ikr? Because they are obviously thinking about them.

>>10210445
Not yourope pea an. Sorry.

>>10207757
I found patrick to be shit, his main characters to be terrible (his side characters were pretty neat), and his pacing god damn sinful. Whichever book that was filled with him playing music at the bar and fucking the fey queen or whatever she was killed it for me. Doesn't help that he's a literal cuck.

>>10210161
My understanding is that they signify a glottal stop however my guess is the sort of authors who use them are unlikely to follow a consistent rule for them.

>>10210501
>>10210532 is right; if anything you'll be glad the book didn't give you a bum steer on the movie.
There is this passage that pops into my head every now and again, where J. R. Sebastian is musing on the state of his apartment building; he realizes something to the effect that everything inanimate around you is detritus in suspended animation, held in stasis by your effort. I do like that bit.

>>10203449
>find one of those red boxes in the post office where people leave free books
>it's full of trashy romance novels

I hate this town. I want to find something interesting one day.

I was told to re-ask this here. Sorry for being a /lit/ newfag.

What's /lit/'s opinion of pulp scifi and fantasy adventures?

I used to love stories like that as a kid and I feel like the genres, particularly scifi has been bogged down with too many social and political agendas.

I want to write what is essentially a scifi fantasy adventure that's fun and over the top adventure with likeable character for the hell of it.

I mean, the characters would learn things about themselves and life in general but nothing beat you over the head preachy.

It does have lesbians as the main characters but the fun, Japanese yuri kind that are cute.

>>10210501
Blade Runner is just a straight up bad adaptation that gutted out all the interesting parts and replaced it with nothing except for a hack Hollywood romance. So you'll be fine.

>>10211026
Can I just recommend that any PKD fans watch Electric Dreams, episode 5? Thanks.

>>10203449
>don't mind me, just being the best sci-fi piece of literature of the last 30 years

>>10211059
GOAT episode

>>10210982
http://www.hollywoodintoto.com/pulp-revolution-apolitical/

>>10210501
The book is quite a bit different (and worse) than Blade Runner.

>>10210627
Post your blog and I'll check it out. I too hate having my effortpost book reviews ignored.

>>10211029
IS that the one w/ michael kranston? I watched e1 and thought it was pretty decent but dropped off after that

>>10211029
Best part of Electric Dreams is that they're adaptations of short stories from the 50's, when PKD was a pulpy and cynical writer and before he got too schizo and mystical.

>>10211075
No, that's E6.

>>10211066
Holy moly that's pretty much what I was thinking. I'm glad this Pulp Revolution is a thing.

>>10211116
https://discord.gg/mVDJfff

Any book where MC gets together/fall in love with some evil Witch/Warrior/etc and they end up together ?

>>10211129
Thanks anon. When i'm not feeling spergy I will try to talk. You've got some pretty interesting stuff going on, self publishing is particularly interesting.

>>10211134
Lyonesse.

>>10211199
What I meant was. Good MC gets a villain girl.
And thanks, will check it out.

>>10211219
Nevernight Chronicles kind of fits
MC falls in love with the girl that kills her former lover
it's girl/girl though

>>10211320
>woman protagonist

is the codex alera series any good? i've only read the first dresden files and liked it well enough

dresden files is fucking awful urban fantasy garbage, don't read it

codex alera was ok, I don't recall how much I liked it, but I managed to read the whole series so it had to be ok

Still suffers from the same blight of most modern fantasy, too much fucking bloat

>>10211347
>I managed to read the whole series so it had to be ok
what series have you dropped? what series are your favorites?

>>10211339
It's much better than it really has any right to be given that it was written on a bet.
It's fairly plain and generic at the outset, but that seems to have worked to its benefit instead of its detriment. Rather than trying to do some super duper original, quirky thing, the author instead took the concept he was given and tried to execute it well, and succeeded. Instead of putting all his effort into creating something totally unique and original, he took established archetypes and did them in a fun way. He doesn't get bogged down in the expansive and unnecessary world building of series like Malazan, and the cast of characters is kept to a fairly small number relative to other 6+ book fantasy series.

Worth checking out at the very least.

>>10211358
I dropped the dresden series, thats why I mention it

Right now I'm waiting for Book 4 of the War of Memory Cycle series

>>10210982
Pulp fag here, skeletor is my spirit animal.

If you get anything you're proud of post it up and I'll read the shit out of it.

>>10211070
>>10210627
I told you review fags months ago to post your stuff in goodreads so it doesn't get lost when the thread 404, but neither of you wanted to listen to me.

>>10211515
Like anyone wants to read some anon's Goodreads.

>>10211397
>anthe davis fan thinks he has the right to tell anyone what to read

>>10211515
Different reviewfag here.
I only stopped because I'm currently wading through terrible ebin fantasy that I've read a million times before. Will pick up again when I get back to one-shots.

>>10211520
Someone will. I occasionally get a few likes from my reviews, so that means someone found it helpful. I don't use gifs or meme photos, so my paragraphs of text has to be interesting.
Bonus points for you if you read obscure, usually that means you're the only person with reviews on those works, if people like your reviews they follow you. Depending on how you rate a book the site gives you a recommendation to match. Give books you dislike 1-2 Stars and books you like 4-5 stars, and you will get recommendations on books similar to what you like.

In a debate with a friend?

is there any fantasy/scifi with better worldbuilding than Malazan?

>>10209270
Imagine being this much of a brainlet

>>10211610
What makes the world building in Malazan so spectacular? It honestly feel quite generic to me, more in line with Wheel of Time than something spectacular like Vance's Dying Earth.

>>10211618
lots of pages, races, we visit lots of locations that seem real and distinct, there's an emphasis on the history and how that's affected the current time.

How is this.

>>10211778
Forgot my image.

>>10211783
It's so terrible that people feel the need to ask how it is every single thread. Even earlier on this one >>10206106

>>10211650
Well, lets start with WoT then. WoT have lots of lots of pages, races, we visit lots of locations that seem real and distinct, there's an emphasis on the history and how that's affected the current time.

>>10211618
i don't consider it spectacular, but it has some nice details like mentioning the geology of an area that makes it feel more real

>>10211783
>>10211796

It's long and convoluted with a narrator who doesn't lie as much as just has an awful lot of knowledge that he doesn't tell the reader until the very last minute and it's just annoying. There are also many many Intro To Philosophy segments which are fairly interesting but also more than a bit patronising. Also the way he talks about gender pisses me off, it's equally patronising.

The author sort of states her case towards the end; she doesn't have anything to add to the history of culture but she wants to imitate Diderot, in that she's using her writing to preserve and pass on the teachings of others.

I didn't regret reading it but I haven't felt the need to recommend it to anyone either.
I suspect it's being shilled here as there are so many repeated posts asking about it apropos of nothing.

>>10211813
Well, no doubt it's at least decent. But anon is arguing that Malazans world building is the best ever.

>>10211796
>>10211837
>being this jelly

>>10211860
What a well formulated response.

>>10211880
Yeah, yours.

>>10211618
I really, really liked the first book. It was interesting, very creative, with fun camaraderie between the characters who are these hard-bitten veteran soldiers, fighting men and women, no use for officers. But now, it's all just getting to be too much. If I had to put my finger on why the story is losing my interest, I'd have to say "too much magic."
The whole thing with the warrens, the gods, the Tlann Imass with their immortality sundering ritual, the ghost dogs, the Azath houses, the Deck of Dragons, the gods mingling in mortal affairs, etc. etc. it's all just too much. This is a world where anything can happen, and consequently nothing that happens really has much weight. There are no meaningful consequences to anything. You know if a character dies or gets horribly injured, they can easily be fixed if the right person snaps their fingers and makes it so. And if the right person refuses to snap their fingers, there isn't likely to be a good reason.

>>10211320
>it's girl/girl though
Even better!

Anyone have a word I could use in place of "helicopter" in my fantasy world?

For reference there are a limited number of technological artifacts in my world that can be assembled into war machines, but the rest of the world is stuck in the bronze age

>>10212322
Spinnybird

>a "literature" board recommends me hardy boys for adults

>>10212322
ornithopter?

flying spinner?

>>10212349
This ain't a "literature" board chucklehead. Yer in /sffg/ country now.

>>10212322
>mfw Americans call a spinny-spinny flying thingy a “helicopter”

>>10212322
IRON PEGASUS

>>10212322
METAL GEAR?

>>10212322
'Flying machine'.

Or go the Wolfe route and name it whatever chariots (etc) are called in ancient Latin.

>>10212322

Hummingbird, hummingwing or something.

Self-publishing. What do you guys think about it? Any good self-published book around? Is it a meme?

>>10212601
>>10212601
>>10212601
Mandatory Reading Edition.

>>10211134
The bad company books