/lit/ - Literature

>>10183582
If Canada counts...
>sffg book: Tigana
>author: Guy Gavriel Kay
>last non american book: Heart of a Dog

I'll just leave this here.

>>10183582
>butt-blasted yuropistan edition

>>10183658
>America and Europe are the only two places in the world
>Lets talk about america every thread
>No one wants to sample from other places

thoughts on Jeff Vandermeer's books?

Is Brave New World really great? I'm getting a copy today.

>>10183751
Yes. Huxley wasn't the best writer from a technical standpoint, but from a socialogical perspective it blows 1984 out of the water.

>>10183751
you will either dislike it or become scared shitless at how accurate it is compared to our current global situation.
1984 was the beginning. brave new world is our reality.

>>10183751
It's pretty good as far as utopian novels go.

Looking for good pulp, or even trashy pulp.

>>10183956
Minute Maid Orange Juice.

>>10183751
It's shit compared to 1984.

>>10183255
>not remembering that Dorcas and Jolenta were lovers
That's gay.

>>10183582
>Recommend some SFF books from your country (not America)
Aniara, Kallocain.

>What was the last non American book you read
Susanna Clarke is British so I guess that'd be Jonathan Strange.

>>10183582
>Recommend some SFF books from your country (not America
I don't suppose any of them have been translated. Plenty of surrealists have, though: Victor Brauner (check out his paintings, too), Gherasim Luca, Max Blecher, Urmuz.

>>10183746
Bourne is meant to be good, but Southern Reach becomes significantly less interesting after Anihilation.

Just finished reading Dune for the 2nd time.
Genre literature really isn't tha good, uh?

Is Paul a mary sue?

>>10183761
>how accurate it is compared to our current global situation

Yes, cause we all pop pills to desetisize ourselves, we live in strictly genetically secluded casts, and we periodically have State orgy.

Stop being edgy. Xanax and degeneracy are 4chan memes.

>>10184156
degeneracy is fucking real man

>>10184156
you say that now but maybe it would do you good to sometimes just take a break from the internet and just observer the world around you, anon.

>>10184156
Soma is more like an amphetamine/opioid mix from the description. Both are problems in the US. We have filter bubbles and tinder.
This focus on the details misses the point anyway, it's more to do with
>Amusing ourselves to death
as in, letting ourselves be controlled by the abundance of distractions. You're pointing out that nobody actually plays centrifugal bumble-puppy but ignoring the fact we spend a hell of a lot of money on increasingly complex entertainment systems.

>>10184161
>>10184173
Sexuality and substance use have always being a part of the human experience troughout the centuries and if you think about you can actually see how our modern society is actually quite repressive about all of this.
Think about all the stigma about sexual assault and drug possess.

>>10184178
This I can agree with

Jesus fucking Christ, /lit/, I stopped by to share some joy at finally finishing my foolish foray into the aptly named inert and weepingly bad Stone of Tears and can finally pick up a good series with Deadhouse Gates and see this shit.

The idea that you owe something to the future and can't just fuck and drink and smoke and snort and shoot all you want without destroying society grew out of the Western cultural agreement that we all just want to make our children as happy as possible. There are brilliant, successful, well-adjusted and happy people who grew up on the streets, abused drugs and sold their bodies and there are wastes of human existence that can't even think critically who had every golden opportunity they could ever want delivered to them under ideal conditions and never had a want, need or care in the world.

You can't decide which books everyone should read because you're never going to read all the books and therefore cannot possibly judge which ideas are worthy of memetic transfer.

>>10184230
the fuck are you talking about

>>10184238
I guess even /sffg/ isn't safe from /lit/'s brain armchair of feels.

Where's the Brave New World where everyone is fine with being rigidly controlled, drugged-out humautomatons because it beats any alternative they can think of? Huxley wasn't making brilliant social commentary, he was being a spicy little tween about stuff he doesn't like being THIS BAD FOR REAL YOU GUYS without providing any alternatives.

>>10184257
>Huxley wasn't making brilliant social commentary, he was being a spicy little tween about stuff he doesn't like being THIS BAD FOR REAL YOU GUYS without providing any alternatives.
Oh, like you’re doing now? Huh? Huh?

>>10184266
I'm not the one insisting children read my posts in school and calmly and rationally approach the issues they raise before taking the final test on the matter to determine if they "got it" only to have the real world fling issues with unsatisfying conclusions and to be continueds accompanying them at such a dizzying velocity that they elect a reality TV star President of the United States.

I'm all for introducing tough issues to students to teach them constructive ways to approach them, but maybe associating intelligent conversations about race relations with agonizing, punitive-seeming school reading assignments isn't the best way to prevent white supremacists rallies down the road.

The alt-right is literally mad because Obama was giving them too much homework.

>>10184277
Huxley didn't insist on any of that either.

>>10184156
This. The arguments used by people that say that Brave New World have come true would be just as applicable on a number of historical and ancient eras and civilizations. Honestly it fits quite well with ancient Greece.

>>10184230
>The idea that you owe something to the future and can't [just do whatever the fuck you want]...grew out of the Western cultural--
Stahp. You blatantly don't know anything about any "cultural agreement" Western or otherwise. I know it's cool to mindlessly trash white people as the cause of every single problem but if you want to actually be a cosmopolitan instead of an ersatz cosmopolitan-flavored dipshit I would urge you to actually spend a few hours looking into how both modern and historical societies function.

>Some people grew up selling their ass for smack on the streets and turned out fine but other people didn't have to.
OK? You sound mad but you didn't actually say anything here.

>You can't judge books because you, personally, can't read everything ever written.
Meanwhile in the real world, cultures (consisting of multiple people, you'll notice) do in fact manage to transfer ideas across both space and time. How curious! It appears people manage to form aesthetic judgments after all.

>>10184257
>Where's the Brave New World where everyone is fine with how things are going
That book already got written, it's called Brave New World.

>>10184277
Yeah why teach people to calmly and rationally approach issues when we could be teaching them to...?

>race relations
>alt right
>BLUMPF
Drunk, or stoned?

i like it when the space ship goes zoom and the guys swings a sword with his big arms it makes me happy

>>10184382
also when u get mad u get more power :)
beat the bad guy by being rly rly mad
xd rawr

>>10183751
Very boring from a story perspective
Long winded especially

>>10184348
The people making these arguments have never been outside, don't have enough friends and don't live a healthy sex life, so they think everyone uses Tinder, everyone is doing X or whatever drug they last heard about and there's an orgy on every street corner.

>>10184178 is correct

>>10184368
>Stahp. You blatantly don't know anything about any "cultural agreement" Western or otherwise. I know it's cool to mindlessly trash white people as the cause of every single problem but if you want to actually be a cosmopolitan instead of an ersatz cosmopolitan-flavored dipshit I would urge you to actually spend a few hours looking into how both modern and historical societies function.

I left out the part where it came from post-WW2 America because "think of the children" became a Western meme after all the victory sex and I'm guessing from the short nature of your responses after this one that you saw one thing and got jacked on how right you are and just turned on autopilot without the cruise control.

>OK? You sound mad but you didn't actually say anything here.
I was saying the common argument for "working for real true personal betterment" is invalid. Academic nurturing doesn't guarantee an intelligent and effective human being.

>That book already got written, it's called Brave New World.

That one doesn't count. It sucks.

>Yeah why teach people to calmly and rationally approach issues when we could be teaching them to...?

Taking the monkey see, monkey do approach is blatantly not working. My point was that you're not actually teaching those things, you're associating intelligent conversations about race with a forced march through To Kill a Mockingbird.

A video of Killer Mike talking about the history of the American Civil Rights Movement would be more engaging, if you want an example.

>>10184583
>tfw there's not an orgy on every street corner
Gonna go read me some Heinlein.

>>10184607
Mah nigga. Were Clarke and Asimov even trying?

>>10184583
That's actually an exclusive view of the world among 90's kids and 90's kids accessories in places like 4chan. 80's cartoons were pushing toys and social media gives postmillennials an early crash course in social consequences, the 90's was the magical time when youth culture was dedicated to melting your brain to the point that there are now adults who can't deal with anything without resorting to the calm, soothing maturity of Rocko's Modern Life.

>>10184634
The convergence of alternarock sensibilities and an unapologetic devotion to manic glee has created a nation of people who find any system that makes sense threatening.

>>10184607
Bobby H knew what's up.

>tfw no hypersexual society where sex is socially similar to going out for a smoke with someone in our zeitgeist

>>10184634
I would have no clue since I was born behind the Iron Curtain and got cable just a year or two prior to getting non-dial up internet.

>>10184607
>>10184620

>>10184668
no gay stuff tho

A book with plain prose and great worldbuilding? Need inspo for my own book

>>10184895
Isn't there hints that Ben Caxton in Stranger have experimented with men? Anyway, the lack of homo stuff is one of my problems with Heinlein.

>>10184932
The lack of GRI in general is a problem.

Is terry goodkind necessary reading?

I feel like I don't understand enough about fantasy literature by having not read the entire series as a teenager.

>>10184940
He's an objectivist and also into BDSM

...wow

>>10184940
I think he's one of the most ridicu-, let's say critcized, fantasy authors.

...whoa

...wuht

...wuuuuhhh

>>10183582
The only Sanderson I've read is the stormlight archive. Is any of his other work worth reading while waiting for oathbringer?

>>10185152
Not really. Warbreaker is quite good but there's loads of better books by other authors out there.

>>10185207
Name 3

>>10184940
Absolutely mandatory.

>>10183654
Nice. Iain M Banks 'Culture' novels have some great passages involving megastructures.

>>10185065
did somebody say Book of the New Sun?

>>10185351
Non Sanderson fantasy?

Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell
Howls Moving Castle
A Game of Thrones

To mention the first that come to mind.

I guess this isn't technically /sffg/, but I assume it has some crossover so I'll ask anyway: is the Baroque Cycle by Neal Stephenson worth reading? Would any anons here recommend it?

>>10185793
> this isn't technically /sffg/

>>10185804
I have no idea what you mean by that, you'll have to explain how I've offended you instead of just posting a reaction inage

>>10185857
I ain't offended mang, just confused. Did you not check what thread you're posting in or something?

>>10185867
>I guess this isn't technically [related to] /sffg/, but

>>10185867
She appears to be operating under the assumption that Baroque Cycle is historical fiction and not really /sffg/ material.
>>10185793
If you can stand Stephenson's autistically longwinded style, then yes, it's worth a read. I both enjoyed it immensely and nearly died of boredom.

>>10185152
Mistborn book because Vin is one of the few decent female characters Sanderson wrote. In book one when she barely talked until [CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT]

How do we address the serious dearth of little girl protagonists?

>>10183956
You don't know pulp until you have read the "Lensman" series by E. E. Smith.

>>10183956
Robert E Howard

So Daniel Black is just some fat loser's fantasy of having a harem because he's a pathetic loser?

>>10186123
Yes?

>reading wish fulfillment fantasy and not expecting wish fulfillment

anything like this?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18108609-the-sort-of-dark-mage

this was unexpectedly good. i assumed it was some indie drivel but the first and second one was amazing. too bad theres no eta on the third book.

>>10183956
the berserker series by fred saberhagen

>>10184154
Yes and no. Paul is meant to be a Mary Sue, but he's meant to be a Mary Sue who can't control anything and ends up not being able to do what he's supposed to. He's tormented by his conscience.

Him being a Mary Sue is also a bit of a point of the novel. Remember Kynes in the desert.

No one's ever written a good fantasy locked room mystery, right? Good.

anyone know any scifi/horror/weird books about strange small towns or communities. something with similar vibe as stuff like Twin Peaks, Wayward Pines, Salem's lot, Under the Dome, Welcome to Night Vale, Harvester(video game), Silent Hill, Alan Wake

>>10184154
Is God a Mary Sue? He keeps fucking things despite his amazing powers and everyone either worships him or is punished until they learn the error of their ways and starts worshipping him.

>>10186412
Invasion Of The Body Snatchers by Jack Finney has an idealised 1950s suburbia/small town. All pleasant routine and domesticity until the spores from space turn up. Read it anyway.

Finished Absolution Gap this morning, breddy gud, why was The Prefect so bad? Will the next Reynolds book be better?

>>10185793
>I guess this isn't technically /sffg/
??????
It's fantasy, or if you want to get specific, historical fiction. How isn't it sffg? No if you were talking about Infinite Jest.. then Yes that isn't sffg.

Any good books with tripods besides The War of the Worlds and the John Christopher books?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00P03SFPY

>>10186668
because it seemed like straight up historical fiction based on the blurbs I've read, which is neither science-fiction or fantasy, you giant sperg. how the fuck am I supposed to know if there's actually magic in the book or some shit?

>>10186748
Not all fantasy has magic. You fucking normie slumming scum. If you actually read you would know this. Speculative Fiction falls under SFF. If it's tech related, it's scifi, anything else, fantasy.

>>10186412
The Lottery by Shirley Jackson
The Stepford Wives by Ira Levin

>>10186412
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

H. P. Lovecraft is waiting for you anon.

The Shadow Over Innsmouth, The Dunwich Horror, The Festival, The Colour out of Space, The Strange High House in the Mist, The Dreams in the Witch House.

>>10186748
Fantasy =/= magic. It means fiction with fantastical elements. Magic is a common fantastical element used in fantasy stories, but it's not the only one that exists.

>>10186762
you're right. even though, based on what I read before coming to this thread, there seemed to be no fantastic elements in the series, and it seemed to be based on Earth in real countries with real people and real discoveries, obviously I should have somehow concluded that the series had fantasy and sci-fi elements.
thank you, anon. next time I ask about a book I'll head over the TV Tropes and spoil the whole thing for myself so that I know these things beforehand. i'll also word my posts more carefully so that people don't autistically hone in on one thing and ignore the rest.

I'm just finishing Jack Vance's third Demon Princes book. I haven't been bowled over by these as much as his other books, but they have all been very satisfying reads. Vance's tauter style, sense of pace, and visual style gives these books a moreish quality; and the mix of detective, spy and sci-fi novel tropes is very pleasing. Lots of interplanetary jetsetting, assumed names and double identities, phone calls with hidden meanings, meetings at promenade cafes, discretely rooting through people's rooms, going through local newspapers etc - with the odd fist fight and ray gun going off. This mix of 20thC genre writing tropes is very appealing to me.

Anyone got recs for books like this?

Have anyone here read French (or the original Japanese, for that matter) edition of Koji Suzuki's S/Sadako? I absolutely adore Rasen (barring the epilogue; also, I was really disappointed via both Loop and Edge), I really liked the first Sadako 3D movie, and I need to know, how the book fares in comparison to those two.

>>10184947
SPANK ME HARDER RON PAUL

>>10186864
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/427475.How_Starbucks_Saved_My_Life

say one bad thing about BotNS (something legit, not like "I won't ever read it for the first time again" or something).

>>10187110
>For the first time in his life, Gill was a minority--the only older white guy working with a team of young African-Americans. He was forced to acknowledge his ingrained prejudices and admit to himself that, far from being beneath him, his new job was hard. And his younger coworkers, despite having half the education and twice the personal difficulties he’d ever faced, were running circles around him.

for fucks sake

>>10186802
I thought #3 was the best of them, although they were all worth reading. #4 has a hilarious ending, if you feel like it's kind of weak don't worry, the last paragraph makes up for everything.

>>10187111
I'm trying to think of something but I can't.
I guess it takes a while to get the story going? But I guess that's sort of the point of what Wolfe is trying to do?

>>10187111
The background and world building were neat, but I didn't really care about the plot or characters.

>>10187111
The generational transfer of the Autarchs' consciousnesses both seemed somewhat silly/high risk (how was that kept up for thousands of years?) and didn't seem to change Severian as much as it probably ought to have. I know there are counterarguments but that part always seemed a bit sketchy.

>>10183751
Really great. John Savage and Lenina are essentially an antithesis of the pedantic Winston and Julia romance. As expected from an actual scholar and not some sort of anarchist journalist

>>10187110
Is it really so much to ask for a book with multiple sources of systemic conflict?

>>10187361
mein kampf?

>>10187119
>By the time he turned sixty, he had lost everything except his Ivy League education and his sense of entitlement. First, he was downsized at work. Next, an affair ended his twenty-year marriage. Then, he was diagnosed with a slow-growing brain tumor, prognosis undetermined. Around the same time, his girlfriend gave birth to a son. Gill had no money, no health insurance, and no prospects.

Boomer Glurge: The Book.

Also lol that reads like half of the DOD industrial security clearance denials I've seen. It's like, hey you're 54 years old and have a cushy defense job making radar widgets for the Air Force, better cheat on your wife, rack up massive debt and start doing crack cocaine so you lose your security clearance and are ruined!

>>10186864
Hyperion. The only classically Cyberpunk theme is the Detective's story, but the rest is pretty good too.

>>10186335
>>10186426
I get that it was the point, but is that a valid excuse?
He is still the protagonist of a book, and as such he is just not engaging.

Also I'm talking about Dune specifically, and in this particular novel being godly isn't his downfall. He won everything and lost only his son by the end (a son we didnt care about)

Suppose we get the backstory of Rey in the next Star Wars film and we get to know she was actually trained during is childhood and as such is Mary Sue status is retconned. Does that excuse how off putting she was in TFA?
Still bad writing IMHO

>>10186144
Incredibly shit after the first few books

>>10187111
The war, when Severian is in the north. It's mostly a plot point Severian is passing through and the Autarch chilling around with his mammoth and cat bitches. It felt shallow and underdeveloped.

>>10187551
>Rey
Image related.

Robert E. Howard is better known for the Conan series and Solomon Kane, but he also wrote what is essentially a story about a boxer being saved by a 「STAND」
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0607301h.html

So I just finished the void trilogy by peter f hamilton, man it was not even remotely as fun as pandoras star/judas unchained, what happened? I mean it had its fun moments like based gore going post physical and paula vs the cat, but for the most part it was just not as gripping. How is the next duo of books he released?

>tfw another fucking water walker chapter

Kill me now

Why does Simmons go to lengths to never reveal the Consul's name if it has no significance whatsoever to the story? It's not even mentioned or hinted at.
I've asked the same question to people I know who have read and loved Hyperion and they hadn't even realized the Consul was never named.

I can't believe the reason is that there was no point so he didn't find a name for the Consul. Having a name for a character is convenient to avoid repetitions. It seems to me that not having a name costs a lot more work than finding one.

>Got memed into reading the Wind-Up Girl

Well that was a fucking shite novel.

>>10187882
I liked it
Then again that was 4 years ago
Christian, if you're reading this, I want my copy of that book back

Redpill me on Watership Down.

>>10187909
Rabbits can't really talk. They're just soulless beasts.

>almost 2018
>still no stormlight lewds
REEEEEEEE

>>10187909
According to Wikipedia, it created the furry fandom.

>>10187969
Seek help.

Any fantasy series set in east asian inspired setting?

>>10184940
Only If you wanna read a bout Richard saving a society of people from subhuman bankers(i'm not kidding)
Also there is lot's of rape.

>>10188004
Bridge of Birds

>>10187969
19 days left until release

>>10187525
Hello Mr Spook Anon. Can you say how security clearances are given? What are the factors involved? Do you have to be married? Does cheating on your spouse strike marks against your name?
I've read a lot of scfi (and urban scifi) where they talk about clearances. Always wondered how it works.

>>10187644
My master?
awaken pillarmen

>>10187757
I always wondered about this as well.

I also wonder why he makes such a big, foreshadowy deal about the Consul mysteriously leaving the ship in Endymion even though it never affects anything. But that's probably the least of the problems with Endymion

>>10187882
You didn't like the thai ladyboys?
You didn't want to save a perfect genetically created waifu from all the evils and live happily ever after? Don't you want a qt asian gf?

>>10188306
The hype is not there. Sanderson is taking too long with these added YA shit he is doing. Why would I be hyped to read a Shallan chapter? I'm getting more enjoyment from GRI APPROVED©® novels.

>>10187909
Scarred me for life.

>>10187920
Shit, does this mean that Animal Farm is also a lie?

>>10187982
That's, funny.

>>10188393
How so?

>>10188423
>How so?
I couldn't see the lighter side of entire bunny warrens getting nerve gassed from the perspective of the chronically PTSD survivors.

>>10184156
This is your reaction because you were born into a world with normalized social appeasing. It isnt a mirror, but there are several threads between 1884, Brave New World and today's reality.

Best novels on transhumanism?

Loved blindopraxia and accelerando.

Just finished consider phlebas, my 4th culture book so far... Theres so much other stuff I want to read but I have also never been so hooked on a series before!!!

Will start with State of the Arts now since I want to start reading them in publicación order From now on (already read player of games, excession and use of weapons)

>>10188239
Ken Liu's recent series.
Journey to the West for classics.

>>10188631
They are indeed great. Against a Dark Background and Feersum Endjinn are also extremely good reads, but very different from The Culture. Algebraist is sort of Culture adjacent but he put it in a separate universe for some reason. Which have you enjoyed most so far?

>>10188541
Permutation City by Greg Egan

https://best-sci-fi-books.com/29-best-transhuman-science-fiction-books/

>>10188541
Have you tried Greg Egan? You might enjoy Diaspora

>calculate the distance to the horizon, the volume of a space station, the weight of said station, the volume of the air in said station under 100 times the pressure and much more
>because he like to keep track of things
The focus character in Heinlein's short story Misfit might be the most autistic main character I've ever encountered.

is this series worth getting into? I read the first chapter on Amazon and it seems pretty fun.

>>10188879
I've read a couple of short stories by Abercrombie and I did not like his writing so I've assumed it's shit.

>>10188891
I like the writing style, I was just worried about starting a series that would be another Game of Thrones lite

>>10188905
>I like the writing style
Then you should read it, it's only 3 books and they're not that long.

What's the word for a story where someone attempts to transcend (to godhood or something else)? Kinda like FMA Brotherhood or Evangelion.

What are some good books with that subject? So far I've got Childhood's End on my list. That one seems promising, and there are a few on a goodreads list (https://www.goodreads.com/book/similar/209414-childhood-s-end)) that look good. I'm looking for fantasy as well though, not just scifi.

Give me good revenge stories that aren’t Best Served Cold or the Silmarillion

>>10189042
I suppose a hubris story? But that doesn't quite cover it. These sorts of plots come up a lot in manga/anime where they're usually just called Instrumentality.

Star Maker and Last and First Men have group-mind transcendence plots, and they were a huge influence on Clarke's writing. They're both excellent novels, though you may find LaFM dated in its early sections. Can't reccomend them enough.

City of Miracles has a villain whose goal is somewhat similar to Father from FMA, though its less transcendence and more "gathering all power into one being". It's part of a trilogy of standalone novels so you might be able to read it on its own.

>>10188004
The Initiate Brother by Sean Russell
Across the Nightingale Floor by Lian Hearn
Tomoe Gozen by Jessica Amanda Salmonson


If you want some great historical fiction I highly recommend Shōgun by James Clavell and Musashi by Eiji Yoshikawa

>>10188684
I found UoW amazing. I had read the twist before but somehow knowing about that didnt affect the experience.

However, my fav so far has to be excession. I read the thing in a single weekend. Loved how the minds interacted and how it puts in perspective that even the almighty Culture is but a moth of dust in the story of the universe

>>10189121
>>10186802

Any novels with this type of feel? I want something that is like True Detective + Fargo + Blade Runner + COPS + sci-fi horror

>>10188879
I dont know why this gets so much hate on /lit/. The characters are fucking awesome...

>>10189572
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
Altered Carbon
When Gravity Fails
The City and the City

>urban fantasy series book 1: i'm just joe shmoe, psychic detective
>urban fantasy series book 14: psychic detective must now save the ENTIRE WORLD (and his half-devil girlfriend) from the machinations of the squid templars of Atlantis

Why do UF authors always feel the need to go full epic fantasy?

>>10190013
Because they are usually saving the city on a daily basis. You just don't know about it. As evil grows stronger they too, as a hero have to grow.

>>10189042
All of Chinese fiction. Literally every single book.
More generally, pretty much every non-abrahamic religion is about refining the soul and becoming one with God/the Universe. It's a pretty universal story tread you should expect to find in anything even remotely spiritual or religious in theme.
Can't really give you any search terms though.

>>10190013
Fiction is almost exclusively entertainment. Barring works of episodic comedy, entertainment that lacks escalation has failed on a fundamental level. The obligation to escalate increases with length, because the longer a series goes on the more time it has to wear out its welcome

Realtalk: how big of a literary crime is it to write cartoonishly?

>>10190115
>Chinese fiction

"what is the name of that city over there?"
"oh that's Big City Name"
"Big City Name?!" *eyes glow*

>>10190122
Yeah but it's entirely possible to have escalation without raising the stakes to a absurd amount.

It's like, old detective novels didn't usually go from the detective busting a insurance fraud arson ring to stopping Argentine Nazis from trying to nuke the Panama Canal.

>>10190128
Define "cartoonishly". I've never heard anyone use that word to describe writing before.

why are there no audiobooks of the books i actually want to listen to?
every single piece of smut or indie book basically gets an audiobook nowadays, except the books i have any interest in or even worse. the first book in a series will have one and then the rest will not even if they've been out for years.

fuck. hold me /sffg/.

What's the Hunter x Hunter of /sffg/?

>>10190265
harry potter.

>>10190265
Dying Earth

>>10190265
Name of the Wind.

Anyone read this? Looking for opinions.

>>10190312
well, it has a pretty shitty cover, so /sffg/ probably loves it.

>>10190240
not easy to put into words without saying "it's like a cartoon", but I'll try

>characters behaving in a more exaggerated an intentionally unrealistic manner
>humor has a stronger small-scale influence on narrative causality, altering dialog and actions in non-critical ways and either partially or completely replacing dramatic timing.
>despite the above, humor is never acknowledged in the medium as it is the norm rather than the exception

Note that cartoonish doesn't mean it's a comedy exactly, just that the work doesn't take itself too seriously

A good non-comedy example is A Series of Unfortunate Events

>>10190265
Define "Hunter x Hunter of".

>>10190128
there are no rules or crimes in literature

>>10190366
are you so sure about that?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9969571-ready-player-one

>>10190394
your opinion about some book is not a writing law

>>10190420
i now declare that it is.

>>10184178
Soma was the shit, but I think it's outlawed now. Would absolutely knock you on your ass.

Show and tell, SFFG. Show us your dirty old paperbacks SFFG. Bring your yellowed, dog-eared, creased, foxed, and musty smelling volumes. Brownie points for lurid art, rare/out of print, interesting marginalia from previous owners, obscure and oddities. If nobody else, the anon who houses his books in a shipping container must have something noteworthy. My own collection is too sterile and modern to participate.

Anyone read this?

yo /sffg/ gimme some fantasy books with romance can be scifi too. just dont you know flat out smut. i dont mind sex in them but not if its more than half the book. its notoriously hard to find good novels with romance. whenever i look i just find either smut or books directed at women.

>>10190265
Book of the New Sun

>>10190352
So basically anime?

>>10190248
>even worse. the first book in a series will have one and then the rest will not even if they've been out for years.
Will Wight fan, That you?

>>10190685
nope in my example i was refering to the rings of polaris books.

>>10190312
Plenty people. You got the Bv Larson recommendation from here. So why ask if anyone read it?

>>10190631
Night land is about a guy trekking through a dying earth full of horrors to rescue his loved one. They reunite about 2/3 in, maybe a bit later, but they do communicate telepathically before. I don't think I would call it good romance though, not what most people read it for and their interactions didn't feel that great. But I can't tell good romance so it might have been ok.

If you do check it I'd recommend the Stoddard rewrite since it adds dialogue and removes 17th century prose.

>>10190447
This was a picture I took of my collection in 2013.

>>10190680
Not necessarily. A lot of anime aren't cartoony, even if they aren't realistic

>>10190699
i dislike gay stuff. i live and let live but i go out of my way to avoid anything lgbt.
also dislike polyamory.

>>10183582

France :
>La Horde du Contrevent - Alain Damasio
>Philippe Jaworski, Serge Brussolo, Maurice G.Dantec,

>>10190699
oh boy. im so sorry. i misread guy as gay.
fuck me
ill have a look at it.
i also probably should go to sleep since its already 5am.

>>10190730
Yeah you're probably not getting lgbt in something from 1912., one warning though there's no actual sex scenes if you're looking for those.

>>10190741
i dont mind.
i just dislike flat out smut like for example in good intentions, which i dropped like a third into the first book because it was like 30 pages of sex for every 10 pages of story.
its nice to spice up relationships but too much is just not good.

>>10190694
I did? Okay then. I'll give it a read.

>>10190741
>Yeah you're probably not getting lgbt in something from 1912.

fuckin' lol. Late Victorian literature was gay as hell and I wish I could remember the name of this one gay British author from that period who wrote a book with notable people in the British theater scene as horny schoolgirls and one of them tried to get the book banned.

>>10190877
... i haven't read a book in years (like many of you i'd imagine) but i'd never put this down if i had it

>>10189042
The book closest to Evangelion that I've read is the Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch and the second is Time Wanderers. Childhood's End is quite ordinary and expected in most of the plot and Karellen is definitely not a Gendo type character and neither are the MCs a Shinji type. It also doesn't have any of Eva's religious trappings or conspiracies or anything like that.

Read this thread for more novels I think are similar. >>/lit/thread/S9970493

Three Stigmata is just as trippy as Evangelion, the MC is a real wreck of a person like an older Shinji who keeps fucking up and is depressed and somewhat suicidal to boot and Eldritch puts the psychological in psychological contamination, there is lots of weird shit happening in the background and it's like Anno and Dick took the same drugs when they were writing it.

which WH40k book(s) would you recommend, /sffg/?

>>10191047
Dan Abnett is apparently good.

>>10191053
thanks, m8. any particular books you can recommend? also, which books are generally the best at giving a broad overview of the setting and lore?

>>10190361
Not him, but

>appears as a bogstandard product of its genre
>subverts cliches small and big, but doesn't (usually) try to deconstruct or shun its genre
>this often culminates in arcs resolved through beautifully executed anticlimaxes
>characters tend to drive their own plots, not because things around them forced it upon them
>threats tend to be something that came years too soon for the weak yet talented protagonists; they have to win some other way or merely survive
>child protagonist is truly childish
>said protag doesn't care about right and wrong only things that are good (useful) and bad (hindrances)
>this only becomes apparent much later when the story starts to toy with this morality

I'd actually like to see non-meme answers based on the above.

>>10191060
Horus Rising is really popular and is the first book in the Horus Heresy collection if you really want to deep dive into 40k.

>>10190447
Well, I picked this up recently and am pretty excited.

>>10191106
I guess it's rare?

trying to find a fantasy book with a dense wizard-to-not-wizard ratio and i'd prefer if a lot of the wizards seem like they're trying really hard to be gandalf

just the crunchiest fuckin pointy purple hat wizards

or alternatively just as little description of them as possible so i can just imagine them looking like this

>>10190877
Aha, found it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girls_of_Radcliff_Hall
>Berners depicts himself and his circle of friends, including Cecil Beaton and Oliver Messel, as lesbian schoolgirls at a school named "Radcliff Hall" (punning on the name of the famous lesbian writer). The indiscretions alluded to in the novel, including mutual fingering, cunnilingus, and "upskirting", created an uproar among Berners's intimates and acquaintances, making the whole affair highly discussed in the 1930s. Cecil Beaton attempted to have all the copies destroyed.

>HA HA HA HA CECIL I'VE TURNED YOU INTO A LESBIAN SCHOOLGIRL!

At chapter 9 and I think I figured out the twist: all 3 are the same character from just different time periods of life.

>>10190454
Good start, but each installment gets progressively worse.

Fuck adare

>>10191150
Hilarious.
>>10191185
What was the tip-off for you?

ALRIGHT! So Wild Wastes was fun, the harem wasn't too retarded and it never really felt too anime. That being said, that shit wasn't deviant enough, anyone got any other suggestions? I'm looking for something on the Corruption of Champions level of degenerate.

>>10191128
The non-Cugel Dying Earth books, also Lyonesse, lots of fun wizard fights in there

>>10191128
Rhialto the Marvellous by Jack Vance have a dozen or so Wizards going around trying way to hard, doing magic and fucking up. They're totally obnoxious.

>>10191150
>Lord Berners
The face of a gentleman and a scholar.

>>10183956
anything by asimov

Okay, I'm dropping this. Dan Simmons seems to completely fuck up the second half of every set of books he writes.

>Hyperion good
>Endymion terrible

>Ilium good
>Olympos terrible

Time-traveling Muslim robots programmed to kill Jews? Are you fucking kidding me?

>>10190704
What about the pain vs Naruto fight? That cartoony enough?

>>10190694
He probably got it from the Audible sale that's going on right now.

>>10190908
>... i haven't read a book in years (like many of you i'd imagine
Why are you in here if you don't read? This isn't lit where you can bluff your way out. You have to actually read a book to have conversations here.
I just finished my 80th book for the year, there are people with much more and people with much less. The point is they are reading.
Gtfo

>>10192091
>You have to actually read a book to have conversations here
>implying

>>10191110
Why the censorship? Is it Japanese porn?

>>10191106
How does he get away with drawing porn on book covers?

>>10191342
Just go to sadpanda and type in "language:english artist:incase". You're welcomed.

>>10183956
Modern sci-fi pulp? Undying Mercenaries by Bv Larson.

>>10192087
>>10190312
Old hater fags are gone, so I can post my charts in peace now

>>10192103
Okay. You can have conversations, but when the other person (the actual reader) sees that you were trying to bluff the argument, and that you didn't even read the book, they drop talking with you. Why argue with someone who doesn't even know what you are talking about?

>>10192117
I know what incase is fgt, and I don't need to go on sad pedo to find it

Yo memelord, post the GRI seal, I need it.

Where is the starmaker shill? This book touches so well on our current racial and economic turmoil. I don't believe it was written so long ago.
how Klapistan's current president is blaming everything on immigrants, and not on the 1%. How they are using double think and newspeak to make the idiots of their society to go along with them.
Long ass introduction, foreword and poetic shiity first chapter aside this is turning out to be a great read.

>>10191342
>>10192117
>>10192245
Why is incase trying to turn me faggot? Why is it that he is making other men so attractive? Why is he continually allowed to pollute tne moldable and innocent minds of the young?

>>10192322
Godspeed!

>>10192245
>degenerate faghag is calling others pedo
>likes an author who draws "lolis" as midgets and encourages rape and the faggette justifies it
>thinks he is better than the other degenerates because he wants to fuck a man in the ass
>doesn't know they all the same trash that needs purging
kys degenerate freak

>>10192337
This one of, if not the greatest works of science fiction of all times.

>poetic shitty first chapter

Delet this

>>10192370
>poetic shitty first chapter
>Delet this
No. I hate when authors wax poetic about shit. I understand it's a product of his time, and that people didn't give you the time of day unless you had some meter / verse in your works, but I still dislike it.

The author who waxes poetic that I like is Neil Gaiman, especially when he reads it himself. Maybe because Gaiman is from our period and that is why it isn't so jarring, but that poetic first chapter in starmaker had me paying super close attention in case I missed something... all for it to be a big fat nothing, just human feelings about "muh warm cunny back home" and the theme song for little Einsteins going on a trip in a little rocket ship.

>>10192108
>Why the censorship?
It seemed like poor form to post his signature, even if he is dead already.
>How does he get away with drawing porn on book covers?
It's an art book. Full of Frazetta.

>>10192337
It is indeed a great book. Stapledon has a very strong, relevant, ethical vision, and its a crime that he's not only unread, but when he is he's often dismissed as a fantasist. Things now aren't quite as bad as they were when he was writing, but they could quickly become as bad or worse. I don't have much hope that we'll see the sort of positive transformations he speaks of, but he at least gives me solace when I'm feeling the alienation and anomie of modernity.

To the wannabe author anon who was writing about "flavours", you should read starma!er and see how it's done.

>>10192029
9/11 broke a lot of peoples minds.

>>10192337
>implying immigrants aren't a tool used by the one percent to drive down wages and destroy nationalism aka the only defense against mindless exploitive consumerism (see pol pot and cambodia or China)

>>10183582
/r/ing some books that give me that amazing feeling of discovering and exploring a whole new civilization with their own unique culture and shit

>>10192808
Stapledon was not a fan of nationalism. He lived through both world wars, serving as an ambulance volunteer in the first one, so he saw it as contributing primarily aggressive chauvinism and warmongering that ends in tragedy. That isn't to say he disliked distinct cultures and societies, but he could not see the goodness of the "me above everyone else" nationalism of the 19th/20th century.

I imagine he'd be sympathetic to immigrants themselves, but simultaneously distrustful of the elites who manufacture the sorts of scenarios that cause mass immigration, combined with their wet-noodle approach to solving the problems that it leads to.

Okay, I've been thinking. While this thread generally give quite decent recommendations it's always risky buying a book based on some random retards opinion without even knowing if your tastes align. Therefore I've created a template where you put some of your favorite sci-fi and fantasy books to show of your superiour taste, and you can post it every time you feel like telling people what to read.

>>10192991
Here is mine, while putting this together I've realized that I'm quite a pleb when it comes to fantasy so you don't need to mention that.

>>10192991
Anons can already discern the good taste just dripping off my every post.

Now you can't post a related image. Unless you're just starting out, your picks are rarely going to change.
>let's tripfag but with image macros
Okay then.
>I like the same 14 books everyone else does
Virtue signal RX 5x5, fellow female.
>perfect excuse to make a 14-book Vance macro
I withdraw my objections.

>>10193020
>everyone on /lit/ - 2017

>>10193043
>Now you can't post a related image
>implying you would anyway

>Unless you're just starting out, your picks are rarely going to change
a) Does that matter?
b) I've been reading sci-fi for a couple of years and 3 of my choices are new for this year.

>I like the same 14 books everyone else does
Are you saying you like Gaiman? Either you're a pleb or your point is Moot.

>>10192897
That's jingoism, nationalism and ethnic pride is the glue that holds civilizations together.

When you fracture that with mass immigration and indoctrinated self-loathing you get insular societies devoted to consumerism.

Which we all know is the globalists/ 1 percents wet dream.

>>10192997
>Aniara
How have I never heard of this before? Why aren't you shilling it?

>>10193095
I've mentioned it some time, but I guess I'm not the shill type.

>>10192991

Goddamn! Heinlein can go fuck himself i the ass, this is the REAL shit right here! If you want the absolute pinnacle of powered armor infantry this is fucking it! Holy christ this fucking book!

>>10192125
Sabriel, and the other 2 book were great. are the precuels worth?

>>10193233

>>10193250
Armor has been on my to-read list for a long time because I enjoy fun action stories, in theory. But then I think it's probably too long at novel length, and Haldeman's Forever War bored me. If there was a novella length military SF that combined action, broken up by barracks cameraderie and genuine human interest, then I'd be on it.

>>10186864
Actually sounds like Hyperion, although I never thought of that novel as cyberpunk per se.. but I suppose it is really.

>>10189042
>sf books about transcending
Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch by Philip K Dick
and
Hydrogen Sonata by Iain M Banks

>>10189121
The Stars My Destination, aka Tiger! Tiger!

>>10193268
Emphyrio might have been any of the first three Demon Princes stories, but Emphyrio needs to get out there more.

I had to omit Wolfe's BOTNS because I've only read it once, and frankly a lot of it went over my head, but I know the second read will bump it up there. I'd put it in fantasy but I've seen pedants call it a SF.

I also feel guilty for not having room but Brave New World. One of those books people forget about when making these things, but a great book that nearly every SF reader has read (and liked?)

>>10190667
>Book of the New Sun
ftfy

>>10191047
i've always like the w40k lore, but 24+ book horus heresy series really puts me off making the plunge into the novels

>>10193332
Trust me, this will NOT bore you. The Forever War is pussy shit, Starship Troopers might as well be teletubbies by comparison. It's so fucking packed with action you'll have difficulty believing it. I've read a metric shit ton, and nothing comes even CLOSE to this! Just fucking read it right now!

You know that first thought you had about Starship Troopers? About the Forever War? Before you read them, the first thought. When you were thinking it would be hardcore action movie ultra combat. But then you read the books and it turns out no, they're not that much. The protagonists spend most of their time avoiding the real shit, and when it's described at all it's brief and relatively uninteresting. They don't live up to the idea, your first impression of the concept.
Armor does. It's really THAT book, really and truly. It's ACTUALLY what you thought the others would be.

>>10186793
Shut the fuck up.

>>10188879
They're entertaining. Go for it, anon.

>>10193372
You're doing a very good job of making me never want to go near it.

>>10193372
>hey anon, did you like starship troopers?
>you did?
>sucks to be you, i've read a book with more action and less substance
go fuck yourself

>>10193390
Good, fuck you! Stay away from it! You'll soil it with your unclean hands. You don't DESERVE it! I hope you never read it! Go back while you still can and never think about it again.

>>10193397
You too, stay the fuck away.

What if Alzabo's came from Neptune or one of the moons? I think this is very likely.

How do I name stuff in my fantasy world? People, cities, states, magical elements, etc

I thought starship troopers was a great book, but I didn't pick it up expecting rawr spess marines :3

>>10193415
Use a random number generator to pick letters.

>>10193400
>likely alzabos came from neptune
proofs? it could just as likely be from another solar system. i don't recall their origin ever being discussed.

>>10193397
Starship Troopers is bland garbage. If you think it has any substance underneath all the uninspired writing, cardboard characters and the empty hole where a story would be expected, you have fallen prey to the meme. Or are one of the IQ 89 Redditards who praise these ancient crap books that don't hold up whatsoever.

>>10193415
invent a language

>>10193415
Do not, for the love of God, try to make up your own language. They ALL sound completely fucking retarded and the same. Pick an actual culture that exists in the real world and has a real fully developed language, and then steal fucking everything from it. People, cities, rivers, mountains. Everything. Ignore their culture, you can make up some shit for your world, just steal their language. You're not Tolkien, don't even try.

>>10193430
Maybe we just like to read good books anon. Lotsa good books around.

>>10193429

I read somewhere that they they probably thrive in really cold environments before coming to Earth but if Neptune may have been their home then it makes sense giving how cold it is.

>>10193439
>good books
>Starshit Poopers
You are wrong.

>>10193444
Are you having fun :3

>>10193400
>I think this is very likely.
If it came from Neptune, it would spontaneously burst into fire, and/or explode, upon coming into contact with Earth's atmosphere. If it came from its moons, it would get crushed by Earth's gravity and possibly also catch fire.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

>>10193447
How could I not, talking to people with such impeccable taste in genre fiction?

>>10193471
That's why I like it here too.

>>10193441
i know Urth is colder than Earth, but nowhere near as cold as Neptune anon.
I would insult you, but I actually pity this level of ignorance tbph

>>10193471
>taste in genre fiction
>

>>10193353
I meant the dinosaur specifically. I was amused that you had the same idea for the MISC area of the macro.
>Emphyrio might have been any of the first three Demon Princes stories, but Emphyrio needs to get out there more.
Or "The Moon Moth". I guess it comes down to what your preference is for "fanciest Vance".
>I had to omit Wolfe's BOTNS because I've only read it once, and frankly a lot of it went over my head, but I know the second read will bump it up there. I'd put it in fantasy but I've seen pedants call it a SF.
I'm right there with you. Paraphrasing some anon, BotNS is the literary equivalent of a puzzle game. I'm more of a straightfoward, dull dog of a bloodhound; allegory and metaphor confuse the scent.
>I also feel guilty for not having room but Brave New World. One of those books people forget about when making these things, but a great book that nearly every SF reader has read (and liked?)
Respected, perhaps? Isn't it akin to a successful learning game? As a fictional vehicle for conveying an idea, "Brave New World" trounces Rand.

>>10193437
Yeah they do all sound retarded from the stuff I've read. Where can I find languages to steal from? My story takes place over multiple cultures so I need atleast a couple different languages

>>10186864
Not a book, but that kinda describes Ghost in the Shell (the original anime movie)

>>10191185
Did anyone you actually like The Fifth Season. I'm at chapter 21 and the book isn't satisfying for me. Does the second one get better or should I abandon ship?

>>10193430
>>10193437
>>10193444
>>10193471
Hey qt show benis.
I like my gf's benis to be much smaller than mine.

>>10192702
>9/11 broke a lot of peoples minds.
But it was an inside job. If it broke people's minds then that was on purpose to pave the way to a society who accepts everything the government does all in the name of "security" and "Freedom"

New to /lit/ and only recently got into reading. What's the best way to read specific short stories? In particular I'm trying to read some of GRRM's earlier stuff like Sandkings/A Song for Lya but I can't find a way to own a physical copy without paying £60+ on amazon. I can get a pdf easily enough but building my physical collection is addicting.

>>10193777
I get everything from used book stores and thrift shops. Scope out your area and see if you can find any that are worth checking regularly.

>>10188879

First book is a bit tedious, the rest are better. He also has a few side story books based in the same universe that are a million times better then the trilogy.

Also be forewarned that the ending of the trilogy is incredibly lackluster and not conclusive at all.

Are there any well written YA scifi or fantasy? is that an oxymoron? I just want something light and fun to enjoy but not complete trash prose and plot. Is this too much to ask for?

>>10192991
Aren't these implicitly just rec charts anyway? Oh well.

>>10193841
Howl's Moving Castle is great.

So how do you get a sci-fi book published?
I've got one hammered out, I'm sending it off to agents, one rejection so far (From a pretty huge guy with a pretty full list so that's expected) and each day that passes with radio silence I'm getting more and more on edge and desperate for someone to just accept it.
I'm somewhere between eat a baby feet first and watch Harvey Weinstein beat off into a potted plant levels of desperate for an agent.

>>10193903
Self publish on Amazon.

>>10193913
Anon, I might be willing to grind up and snort a Hatian child sex slave for a shot at being a professional author but I still have some self respect.

>>10193903
Is it pulpy? Does ol' Jimmy B. accept manuscripts?

>>10193923
In the current year, the best way to get anywhere is to attract the attention yourself and then cash in on an established audience. Every "new" author I know of basically just started a blog and got writing. Eventually they got popular enough to attract publishers. hell, there are people who just wrote fucking FANFICTION and got enough attention to publish! No one in the business has any idea what will sell and what won't, you need PROOF that you ALREADY have readers to get published.

Just get that shit out there, attract crowds, get published or even just live off of donations. Bottom line, you need ATTENTION to get anywhere, start advertising.

>>10193536
Whatever you want: Maya, Mongolian, some Chinese dialect, German, Slovak, Hungarian, some African Mbumbo Jum'bo...

>>10193714
Post yours first.

>>10193923
actually, its currently one of the best ways to get money and get noticed by bigger publishers.
the days where novels are actually written by a horde of college dropouts are actually over. no one wants to pay that bit of money anymore.
so big publishers just pick up indie guys and support them with advertisement and other things.
heck theres even writers that can live off patreon.
but amazon is really your best bet if you cant get anyone by asking.

>>10193903
Send it to some kind of magazine? If they still exist.

>>10193903
Hell, send it to one of the fat fucks. It's not like they're writing anything anyway so they might as well read your shitty manuscript.

>>10193923
why do you need the approval of some agent or publishing house? if your writing is actually good you would be able to self-pub and create your own audience. indie authors in Amazon KDP make way more money than 90% of trad authors these days

ubisoft stole my writer

>>10192125
i've dropped the black prism halfway
the MC is just annoying

>>10193988
He gets better

But I understand your feelings

>>10193960
Please don't share it with anyone else.

>>10193960
THOT BEGONE

>>10194088
*enters the void*

>>10194105
Pls not to be avatarfagging things not related to the thread subject. Maybe you have SFF themed images to contribute?

>>10193841
Garth Nix + Philip Pullman

>>10194128
Talking to a cute girl is a fantasy and also science fiction (robot gfs eventually).

>>10193259
>are the precuels worth?
imho? no. not worth it. wish i could get my time back. turned into a ya romance shit

>>10194239
>>10194239
>>10194239
better, and stronger than ever

>>10194240
The thread is not finished you cunt. We still have 3 more posts.

>>10183582
killing this thread like genre fiction killed literature

>>10194441
With no survivors

>>10194240
Are you always this premature?

>>10187194
It doesn't seem to change Severian, because Severian wrote the entire thing after he already became the autarch. The past autarchs' consciousnesses have already affected the entire narrative from the very start.

>She made her morning toilet

Is Children of Dune worth reading?

>>10194757
>She made her morning toilet
Yes? Do you not know what this means?

How bad is the drop in quality in lightbringer books after the first one? All the hype for that series seems to have died, it can't be 3 books of full of tight pussy right? Has to be something else wrong with it.

>>10195197
I don't think there's a drop in quality until the most recent book (coincidentally where the tight pussy starts)

>>10192139
its called google and shitposting, it's really not that hard. i've been posting here for months and i dont think i've even touched a book for a loooooong time

>>10195594
> coincidentally where the tight pussy starts
keked
IMO the latest book retroactively fixes everything that was wrong in the previous books. The vaginismus "epilogue" was one of the weirdest shit I've seen in a book ever.

>>10183582
Can anyone recommend me some good sci-fi/space opera? I've read all the Culture novels of Iain M Banks, and enjoy and have read much Alastair Reynolds, Peter Hamilton and Stephen Baxter. Any new sci-fi recommends that are of, or surpass, the authors I listed in quality?

>>10196098
>google will let you know obscure parts of books that you only get through actually reading the novel