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Who is your favorite Mars trilogy character?

>>10174244
nigger

>>10174272
Coyote WAS pretty great, wasn't he. I find the idea of stowaways on multibillion dollar science missions to uninhabited worlds very interesting.

I just finished all of the old man's war series. I find Scalzi is pretty damn enjoyable. He also has another one called redshirts that's out of the series but it's pretty good.

is terry pratchett long earth worth of reading?

>>10174341
The first one is pretty good, with diminishing returns for the sequels (though I only read up to Long Mars, so maybe they pick up afterward).

Excerpt from CAS' The Seven Geases, a wry, weird, and very misanthropic subterranean travelogue from Hyperborea. Here, a wealthy magistrate on a game hunting trip has unwittingly interrupted an old sorceror's invocations at his remote mountainside abode.

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"May the ordure of demons bemire you from heel to crown!" cried the venomous ancient. "O lumbering, bawling idiot! you have ruined a most promising and important evocation. How you came here I cannot imagine. I have surrounded this place with twelve circles of illusion, whose effect is multiplied by their myriad intersections; and the chance that any intruder would ever find his way to my abode was mathematically small and insignificant. Ill was that chance which brought you here: for They that you have frightened away will not return until the high stars repeat a certain rare and quickly passing conjunction; and much wisdom is lost to me in the interim."

"How now, varlet!" said Ralibar Vooz, astonished and angered by this greeting, of which he understood little save that his presence was unwelcome to the old man. "Who are you that speak so churlishly to a magistrate of Commoriom and a cousin to King Homquat? I advise you to curb such insolence: for, if so I wish, it lies in my power to serve you even as I serve the Voormis. Though methinks," he added, "your pelt is far too filthy and verminous to merit room amid my trophies of the chase."

"Know that I am the sorcerer Ezdagor," proclaimed the ancient, his voice echoing among the rocks with dreadful sonority. "By choice I have lived remote from cities and men; nor have the Voormis of the mountain troubled me in my magical seclusion. I care not if you are the magistrate of all swinedom or a cousin to the king of dogs. In retribution for the charm you have shattered, the business you have undone by this oafish trespass, I shall put upon you a most dire and calamitous and bitter geas."

"You speak in terms of outmoded superstition," said Ralibar Vooz, who was impressed against his will by the weighty oratorical style in which Ezdagor had delivered these periods.

The old man seemed not to hear him.

"Harken then to your geas, O Ralibar Vooz," he fulminated. "For this is the geas, that you must cast aside all your weapons and go unarmed into the dens of the Voormis; and fighting bare-handed against the Voormis and against their females and their young, you must win to that secret cave in the bowels of Voormithadreth, beyond the dens, wherein abides from eldermost eons the god Tsathoggua. You shall know Tsathoggua by his great girth and his batlike furriness and the look of a sleepy black toad which he has eternally. He will rise not from his place, even in the ravening of hunger, but will wait in divine slothfulness for the sacrifice. And, going close to Lord Tsathoggua, you must say to him: "I am the blood-offering sent by the sorcerer Ezdagor.' Then, if it be his pleasure, Tsathoggua will avail himself of the offering."

I just got an audible trial, Recommend me a book to use my free credit on please.

I like sci-fi and fantasy movies and TV but haven't read many books, so some absolute classic that hasn't been adapted to screen would be perfect.

>Name of the Wind has an unreliable narrator
>This makes it bad
>Book of the New Sun has it
>"Oh my gosh I love Severian the bland edgelord, his bedazzled sword, a giant pale women getting tortured by mystical light, everyone and their mother secretly being someone else, and two grown men throwing leaves at one another."

>>10174512
It's more that Name of the Wind uses the unreliable narrator concept poorly

Just finished the southern reach trilogy and thought it was decent, first 2 books I really liked but the third was weak imo. Is Vandermeer's other stuff worth reading? Borne has very high reviews

>>10174528
No it doesn't. If you had any backing for that you'd just say what you mean instead of vague "I don't like it so it's bad".

>>10174660
This is Gene turf, fuck off

>>10174512
>>Name of the Wind has an unreliable narrator
I've yet to see any evidence for that.

>>Book of the New Sun has it
Not giving all information immediately doesn't make a narrator unreliable.

>>10174754
Severian says he has an eidetic memory, and yet he forgets things at least 3 times in the first half of SotT alone. Lying like that is exactly what we mean when we talk about unreliability.

>>10174763
What does he forget?

>>10174771
SotT chapter 7:
>I tried to recall what her meal had been (she had put the tray on her little table, where I could not see its contents through the grill). I could not, though I nearly burst my brain with the effort. At last I said lamely, "You'd probably better eat it. But I think you can get better food if you ask Drotte."

He carries a tray of food to her, then she puts it where he can't see it, and suddenly he can't remember what was in the tray, despite presumably looking at the tray when he picked it up.

>>10174789
Thanks. I'd have to read it in context to see whether he actually looked at it, it's been a couple years.

Is there a list of such things somewhere?

>>10174811
Probably somewhere, but I wouldn't know.

>>10174504
>classic
I was going to recommend Library at mount char ... But you want classics.

Saw this Virgil Finlay illustration and couldn't resist.

>>10174434
The Long Utopia is pretty good, better than the rest of the sequels. Cosmos was meh.

Be honest with me sffg. Do you think I would make a good mother?

>>10175205
>Be honest with me sffg. Do you think I would make a good mother (male)?

>>10175221
A mom is a mom

Just bought pic related, how'd I do?

>>10175035
I thought this was Songs in the Key of Life from the thumbnail

>>10175205
Naw.

>>10175205
Sauce?

>>10175205
Man i wish i had a family like that
>tfw 25yrold khv

I'm not sure how much Sanderson is loved or hated here, but I've been listening to the first two books again in the Stormlight Archive and damn I'm excited for the third come November.
Certain chapters I absolutely hate Shallan though. Just lying and being a little shit. Might have to do with the fact I don't like how her voice actor voices here as well, though. She sounds like a robot at times

I'm very new to Science Fiction and just finished Neuromancer, is there any more Gibson I should read?

>>10175404
If you really loved Neuromancer, read the sequels, and his other series have broadly similar styles and themes, otherwise no.

>>10175404
>>10175412
I listened to the Neuromancer audiobook a couple times and a lot was lost on me. I then read the book and enjoyed it much more.

I recently read, "All Tomorrow's Parties" and really enjoyed it. I think his style and themes would get old after a while, but I'll try some of the Neuromancer sequels.

waldo rabbit book 3 as audiobook when?
REEEEEEEEE

>>10175357
Oh shallan is the fucking worst. I skipped all of her chapters and just read the Kallan or whoever's chapters, interspersed w/ the occasional dalaran

>reading a canticle for leibowitz and it's dull as fuck in comparison to book of the new sun, which I just finished
does this make me a brainlet or a patrician

>>10175759
Everything seems dull coming off BotNS. Give it time.

I was ignored last thread so I'll ask again :^)

Are there any books like the text game Corruption of Champions? Like a fantasy world full of deviant sex stuff?

>>10175891
wild wastes
good intentions
daniel black

>>10175895
>good intentions
>roperty, portrayals of beings divine and demonic bearing little or no resemblance to established religion or mythology, trespassing, bad language, sacrilege, blasphemy, attempted murder, arguable murder, divinely mandated murder, justifiable murder, filthy murder, sexual promiscuity, kidnapping, attempted rape, arson, dead animals, desecrated graves, gang activity, theft, assault and battery, panties, misuse of the 911 system, fantasy depictions of sorcery and witchcraft, multiple references to various matters of fandom, questionable interrogation tactics, cell phone abuse, reckless driving, consistent abuse of vampires (because they deserve it), even more explicit sexuality, illegal use of firearms within city limits, polyamory, abuse of authority, hit and run driving, destruction of private property, underage drinking, disturbances of the peace, disorderly conduct, internet harassment, bearers of false witness, mayhem, dismemberment, falsification of records, tax evasion, an uncomfortably sexy mother, bad study habits, and a very silly white guy inappropriately calling another white guy “nigga” (for which he will surely suffer).

BUENO

>>10175895
to elaborate
wild wastes is about a guy building a harem of monstergirls that want his dick at every opportunity
good intentions is about a guy who ends up having an angel and a succubus magically bound and fall in love with him both of them encourage him to fuck around every chance he gets.
daniel black as a about a nerd becoming a wizard and making his own coven while also fucking every relevant female character including monster girls and witches.

>>10175904
Thank you friend, I just hope they're not too anime

>>10175909
daniel black is the really anime one.
i actually recommend the audiobooks of wild wastes and good intentions.
both are read by women and it really adds to the flavor.

>>10175912
Fimbulwinter ?

>>10176013
its the first in the daniel black series.
good intentions has 3 books. and wild wastes has 2 so far and its hinted at a 3rd.

>>10176021
>Guy gets cucked in the first pages

>>10176038
yeah its really the only bad thing that happens though. its sort of his "bad" luck thing that starts all the crazy stuff happening.
at some point hes actually doing some cucking.

>>10175891
That one Jose Farmer book

Am I blind, is my noscript blocking shit, do you need to be logged in, or is there just no way to see more than 50 results on goodreads? It says (showing 1-50 of 1,250), why is this site so shit.

>>10176120
looks that the /shelves/ page only shows top 50 or something? With no option for others? Go to other parts of browse or peoples lists

>>10176021
Lovely, beginning reads like an intro to some virgin loser's MGTOW manifesto...
The author must really be pathetic

>>10176167
sometimes you just need a way to experience fantasies. nothing wrong with that anon.
beats going on a mass-raping spree or some school shooting, dont you think?

I was listening to "the core" of the demon cycle and there was some character called derek. And i don't fucking remember him at all. Who was that and in which book

>>10175205
What are some of your favorite works of SFFG?

>>10175891
>tfw hiatus

>>10174504
>>10175357
>>10175433
>>10175912
>>10176295
Will audiobooks eventually be the bane of physical copies?

>>10176336
No. It takes a whole lot longer to listen to an audiobook than it does to read a book for most people. I can gt through text four or five times faster than an audiobook.

>>10174176
Where do you find new release ebooks to download?
Looking for Miles Cameron - The Fall of Dragons

I fuckin refuse to pay the same price as the paperback and the paperback isn't released yet.

And if anyone is looking for a new series I highly recommend the Traitor Son Cycle.

>>10175357
Looking forward to Oathbringer. But fuck, the start of the series is boring as fuck. Turns around though.

Fuck Shallan, gimme them Kaladin and bridge chapters.

>>10176397
Retard

How standalone is Assassin's Apprentice? I won't have time to read the two other books in the trilogy for a while, it it worth to read it now or should I wait?

>>10176575
It's the first act of what is essentially one story. The series is a trilogy of trilogies with each act covering a different part of FitzChivalry's life.

>>10176581
So basically, I should wait until I can read the whole trilogy and not just 1 book?

>>10175645
Man you have to get their names straight rofl. Kaladin and Dalinar*. But yeah I usually go through her chapters at 140% reading speed ugh
>>10176336
Of course not. I only listen to some books I can't be assed reading and I can do it while walking to and from uni. I'm still reading Malazan, Gentlemen Bastards and several others. But now when there's a shit ton to do at school I don't have the time to properly read so I mostly read during christmas break etc.
>>10176404
The start of the new book? I haven't been reading the chapters that's been released. Yeah fugg I'm hyped.
If they end up bringing Shallan and Kaladin together though I'll be fucking mad. I'd ahte that

...wow

>>10176599
Catering to Reddit sensibilities: the book.

>>10176599
>hugo award finalist
>finalist

>>10176167
It's the typical male power fantasy with some guy just getting really hot chicks to fuck him constantly while he has godlike powers.
They're really pathetic in real life so they have to use fantasy to delude themselves

>>10176539
How is that retarded? The ebook was released on the 19th. Paperback comes out on the 31st.

>>10176598
Nah the start of the first book. I found the intro a bit boring, but once the real story started I was hooked.
Haven't read any of the chapters. I'll read the whole thing instead.

Yeah I really hope they don't get together, but I don't think they will. I want to find out where the Ghostbloods story is heading, and Shen? Can't remember his name. The pershendi that joined bridge 4.

>>10176599
>>10176616
>>10176620
Fuck off samefag

>>10176642

>>10176628
You're over the age of 18 but don't even know how to pirate things or find out sources where to pirate from?
Typical normie

>>10176638
Oh yeah, true. Same here. I'm really curious to see where Sanderson is gonna take this story through 10 books.
Oh yeah damn. He just left the bridge crew in WoR I'm listening to now. As long as Shallan stops lying to herself and the other main characters I'll be happy reading her parts

>>10176599
Blindsight is most likely going to be the best science fiction novel of the 2010s

>>10176733
2000s, I am a little surprised to say. Felt like it's been around for a lot less.

>>10176658
I have absolutely no idea how this will end with another 8 books to come out.
But I bet it'll be nothing like the first 2.

What should i read next?
Hobb`s Farseer Trilogy or Lawrence`s Prince of Nothingness Trilogy?

Is it true, that Hobb writes epistolary style? I dont know if ill like that. Also, is it true that the Prince of Nothingness is edgy as fuck?

>>10176861
Im stupid...its prince of thorns, not nothingness

>>10176861
>>10176866
Prince of Thorns is a really bad book and its only merit is its shock value. If you're really into GRI it might be for you but otherwise you should really avoid it.

>>10175900
>an uncomfortably sexy mother

What's a good fantasy book by a new author, published in the last five years or so?

And no stupid litrpg anime shit please, like an actual book by an actual author.

>>10176861
Farseer

>>10177019
City of Stairs

>>10176866
>>10176861
Main character of Prince of Thorns does not appear to have a conscience, he'll do just about anything to achieve his goals. He's also super ambitious,so the shit he pulls off can get really crazy sometimes. The books are also pretty short and are quick to read too. The storytelling is non-linear and can be a little disorienting at times, with trying to figure out when the events taking place occur in relation to one another because it's not always clear what is a memory and what is happening right now. This is a style that Lawrence uses in pretty much all his books, though it's especially pronounced in his first trilogy.

But yeah if you find characters who murder without remorse and who apparently enjoy violence to be unpalatable the you'll probably not enjoy Prince of Thorns.

I can't find any of jack vances demon prince books in epub on libgen or b-ok
All I ask for is an epub where the original text hasn't been destroyed after a conversion and then uploaded
I thought jv was popular?

>>10176790
Yeah I'm wondering if that's when all of Cosmere will come together. Speaking of that, I'm pretty excited for the last Mistborn as well. At least for this trilogy. There's two more to come lol

>>10175891
Isn't that pic drawn by incase? with his elf tranny series?

>>10176336
Maybe? Stories were usually transferred orally by the fire, or by some bard faggot recounting it.
We might go back to the days of ole with oral retention. Major Doubt

>>10175891
The Second Apocalypse

any good sci-fi stuff about falling in love with ayylums? maybe a first contact kind of deal?

God, Lift is such a shitty character. Getting through Edgedancer is a chore.
I really hope she is very little in Oathbringer.

>>10177509
Apparently she has matured / leveled up by a degree by the time we see her again in the main books.

>>10176336
No? They are still very niche and are mainly just for people with bad vision. I can't imagine very many people who like SFF books are the type who retain information better while listening than reading, since people who like books tend to be visually oriented and better at retaining information by reading.

>>10177509
I found her funny. Sanderson did a passingly good job writing a little kid's perspective, but it would be quite tiring to sit through a whole book of Lift chapters.

>>10177479
Do you want smut or an actual story?

If actual story than check out Foreigner, it's about a man I, despite being a communist, consider a race traitor.

>>10177598
i dont really dislike smut honestly but story should be the forefront.
i guess im fine with either.

>>10176583
The first three books really disappointed me because of their incredibly lame ending. I also remember the books being depressing as fuck

>>10177564
>I found Sanderson funny
I'm raising an eyebrow right now.

>>10177626
As I said, go read "Foreigner" series, it's about a human diplomat who becomes so fascinated with an alien society that he seizes to protect human interests.

Book tries to portray this as a good thing, but because the writing quality is actually pretty decent he comes off like a complete alien cocksucker.

Romance doesn't play a major role, but it's there. If you are looking for something more explicit/sexual however, you'd have to ask someone else, I prefer my porn in video format.

>>10177669
alrighty then. ill check it out.

>>10177252
>I can't find any of jack vances demon prince books in epub on libgen or b-ok
I have lots of Vance stuff in TXT, its flawless. Why do you insist on those formats? You can always convert it into anything you like.

>>10177681
I should probably clarify, that it's a long series and it takes it's time to build up the romance, so nothing sexual happens in the first couple books.

>>10177701
no problem. i like it when romances develop naturally and dont seem forced.

>>10177669
>>10177701
LOL at Cherryh and her awful unimaginative "aliens" which are somehow always 99,9% identical with overall human culture, from form to language to society

What is the /sffg/ equivalent of Ulysses?

>>10177479
>any good sci-fi stuff about falling in love with ayylums
Try "The Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula K LeGuin. Its not exactly about genuine aliens, its about a human ambassador living among very peculiarly gene modded humans whose planet had been cut off from greater galactic society for thousands of years, but I think you may like it better than most anything else I can think of. One of the greatest novels in scifi.

>>10177729
>99,9% identical with overall human culture
Nah, the anthropomorphism is a bit overdone, but I think she does a pretty good job at providing them with their own cultural identity. You can say that she is just basing them of a combination of historic cultural norms from different eras and parts of the world, sure, but then any remotely anthropomorphic society in SF is exactly that.

>>10177744
>Ulysses
Which one? The greek one, the new vegas one, o some other one?

>>10177747
ill take a look, thanks.

>>10177776
The Irish one, I guess.
>the new vegas one
I should probably play F:NV someday.

>>10177809
>The Irish one, I guess.
I can't think of anything that compares well.

>>10177839
How 'bout the greek one, then?

I need something to tie me over until Oathbringer, any ideas? Just finished Edgedancer and the 2 other books.

Is the Quantum Thief book 2 worth it? I really kind of liked the new concepts the first book had, but it was also hard to follow at times and I'm not sure I can remember everything from it.

>>10177847
Well frankly, there are far too many examples to count, but some that stand out:

Horatio Hornblower, where a man is equally forced to endure a number of long and ardious journeys before he can truly come back home. Tho I'm not sure it exactly counts as /sffg/. I guess you can always pick one of the Horatio Hornblower IN SPACE! versions, tho they tend to be inferior or feature annoying Mary Sues with absurd pets.

Game of thrones, where everyone and their mother think that they are the Great Odysseus bound to come back from their long quest to claim their rightful place on %insertthronehere%.

Dark Tower, features similarly long and complicated journey with a happy ending, but like the Odyssey, it ends with a start of yet another journey

I'm reading through ASOIAF having binged Game of Thrones and had a fridge moment: given the Unsullied merchant's gross display of their obedience and painlessness to Daenerys, if an unsullied merchant had ever come to Joffrey, that would have been a much worse scene. With audience participation and stuff

>>10177809
>what book is the bla bla bla
Book of the New Sun, always Book of the New Sun. Just like in Ulysses there are many parallels to the Odyssey.

>>10177564
I hated how she called her surging abilities "being awesome". And how she refused listening to her spren, calling it a voidbringer.
Annoying little brat.

>>10177935
>Horatio Hornblower
Honestly, I'd prefer something more /sffg/. Oh, and I suck at nautical terms.
>Game of thrones
>Dark Tower
Read them. Fuck Stephen and his ending(s).
>>10177966
B-but I'm not ready for it yet! What if I don't like it and become a pleb?

>>10177977
I just skipped the chapters

>>10177881
The oathbringer chapters being released on tor.com

>>10178068
More of an audiobook type.

>>10177653
But I already shat in my plate.

>>10176861
Hobb is really good and Prince of Thorns is edge to the max. Couldn't even read Lawrences shit half way.

>>10177947
slavery is illegal in Westeros, the masters would never even float the idea of selling unsullied there, least of all to the King. and even if it weren't, you're still trying to sell eunuch warriors to a society that highly values masculinity.

so yeah, Joffrey would have a fun time with them, but you might as well speculate on someone bringing a cyborg to court.

>>10177653
Not laugh out loud funny, but charming. But /sffg/ seems to have a huge stick up its ass for some reason. Can't enjoy silly stuff, can't enjoy edgy stuff, can't enjoy pulpy stuff, can't enjoy power fantasies. Only incredibly dry religious allegories are worthy of praise.

>>10178079
Me too, but I couldn't wait.
Good audiobooks I recommend read by John Lee. Most of Alastair Reynolds, or Fforde's Shades of Grey, for example.

>>10178211
>Only incredibly dry religious allegories are worthy of praise.
Gene is plenty moist

>>10177881
The Library at mount Char

>>10178211
>but charming.


ehh, i just found her annoying, which is odd because one of my favorite fantasy vaginas is a loud mouth, street rat, thief, with adhd.
there where times where the adhd was dialed back a bit in edgedancer and you got to see something slightly likable for a few moments, where she sat back and actually thought of what to do next instead of acting on instinct, but they only lasted a few moments. but she's still "young" sorta to speak. she hasn't had as much page time devoted to her as any of the other radiants so she still has a chance to grow.

>>10178322
I think I've had this discussion with you before fellow Unsounded reader. Lift doesn't hold a candle to Sette but I still find her falling on the side of charming rather than obnoxious.

>>10178239
If you get moist for Gene wolf you probably live in a Convent.

>>10178322
>ehh, i just found her annoying
Good. He did his job. You think kids are charming? Kids are snot nose brats who don't listen.
Lift is a kid, therefore she is annoying. When she gets older (her own book) we won't have this cringe little shitfeast to read.

She might call him a voidbringer jokingly still, but it wouldn't be little kid levels of bad.

Is Neil Gaiman actually worth reading? The only novel of his that I read was Stardust and it was very disappointing. Not only the movie is way better, but the novel itself wasn't very good on its own right. The protagonist only considers romancing the star as a second option, after finding out his crush was already married. That really made me hate the him on the last second.

Is Stardust a good representation of Gaiman or are his other works much better?

>>10178471
Gaiman is good shit, try reading Good Omens, he and Pratchett wrote it together before they got big.
If you find yourself enjoying it, try American Gods next, then his Sandman comics for DC.

He likes to write about the concept of stories a lot.

>>10175891
>>10177402
>incase elf porn
Thanks for the recommendation.
>tomgirls galore

I'm trying to get into the lesser touched Tolkien stuff, like Children of Hurin and the Histories.
What's the best edition to collect the histories in? Is there a book of letters Tolkien sent to fans answering questions or something?

>>10178499
>American Gods
the book of that shitty tv show that features a gay muslim explicit gay sex scene that goes on for minutes? I didn't know he wrote that. Sounds like I better stay away from his stuff altogether.

>>10178471
Sandman is literally the only worthwhile thing Gaiman has been involved with, and if were a prose novel instead of a comic book it would still probably be shit.

Why is Severian always so specific with types of soldiers and boats? Autism?

>tfw none of my post got a you

>>10178533
You should know by now how shit gets mangled in the transition from book to tv.

>>10178533
You had to endure it for whole minutes? Poor you! It probably took real guts to take a screenshot.


It's just one scene, man. The thing that made me sick in the show was how disgustingly "realistic" they made the zombie character.
Also the ending of the first season was anticlimactic.

>>10177238
I enjoy both of these things and still hated it. Every character besides Jorg and Makin felt like a background prop. He barely talks to his own mercenary troupe, there's no foil to MCs edge, no conflict, no character writing OF ANY FUCKING KIND. He gets slightly less edgy over time because of spoilers I can't be assed to type and that's about it. The plot of the first book was ok, enough to finish the book at least. Second book I gave up half way, it was just too boring and I didn't give a fuck about the mutant kid he spent half the book trying to fix or some shit, I forgot by now. It read like some average trashy light novel, with almost every other book I can understand the popularity despite the massive flaws, but this one I still don't get.

Are there any /sffg/ approved vidya games?

>>10178779
That's more of a guy thing. We read books here.

>>10178779

Morrowind
Pillars of Eternity
Deus Ex 1
E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy

>>10178768
I don't know why you're expecting him to bother fleshing out random background characters. What would that have added? The story is about Jorg, it's told in first person from his perspective and Makin was basically the only person he really gave a shit about in book 1. A large part of the draw was the mysteries to the setting and seeing Jorg's actions play out. Since even though he is a first person narrator a lot of what he does is obscure to the reader. We get a pretty steady feed of his feelings and impressions in the moment, but he only vaguely alludes to his goals and plans until they begin to unfold in real time.

So I can't really understand your beef with the story. To me it seems to have accomplished exactly what it set out to do and it did it very quickly with minimal fluff that is so common in fantasy stories.

>>10178779
I would imagine any /sffg/ approved video games would be either fantasy or science fiction games with the most roleplaying potential and/or lore. Stellaris and The Elder Scrolls?

>>10178779

>>10178725
love u

>>10174544
>tfw no replies

>>10178864
>roleplaying
>The Elder Scrolls?

>lore
>Stellaris

Name of the Wind isn't nearly as bad as you guys have made it out to be. It's not great but it goes down quick and easy.

>>10178964
>It's not great but it goes down quick and easy.
just like denna

>>10178964
just like chipotle.
until you have blood diarrhea an hour after eating it.

>>10178964
Name of the Wind is okay. The second book is pretty bad though, and there will never be a third.

Patrick Rothfuss is a better writer than Sanderson.

>>10178779
Morrowind
Planescape Torment

>>10178964
Most people who sincerely do not like the series cite Kvothe as the reason. Which is fair since his personality is pretty in-your-face. I tend to ignore people who talk about prose, since that is the last refuge of pseuds desperate for credibility.

>>10178856
I don't know about the mercenaries that follow him everywhere for several books being "random background characters". Don't have to go malazan levels retarded but I don't know if I read any genre fiction books that had as little as two fleshed out characters. Granted I don't remember many first person ones either, but Jorg didn't feel interesting enough to carry them on his own, there's barely anything to him. World is just decent at best, as I said the first book had at least somewhat of a plot, but I don't get what's supposed to drive you on to read the rest of the series. There's the mystery of some box that gets introduced in the 2nd book so it's not even an overarching thing, just wasn't enough to keep me interested.

>>10179022
I think the problem is you want something with deeper characters. Lawrence doesn't really write deep characters, he writes characters that do interesting things. The stories are plot and suspense driven. Perhaps that's why I liked them, because I'm not very interested in characters, especially in shorter books. I can come to really like characters over time, they grow on me just due to exposure, but I care more about plot and setting. Broken Empire delivers on both, and does it quickly, it doens't waste my time, I appreciate that.

I will say that if a story is going to drag on, it better have some likable characters because after the novelty of the plot and world building wears off the only thing that keeps me going is a likable cast of characters. I basically only kept reading WoT for Mat.

>>10178960
Why would you intentionally get it backwards? Oh, right, bait.

>>10178779
the legacy of kain games.
the dialog and voiceacting alone is miles ahead of many novels.
amy henning really wrote amazing dialog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SELFIVzmeYA

>>10176301
Earthsea got me into fantasy. Most recent books I enjoyed were wizard knight series. I'm not huge on sci fi but I like discussing it.
>>10175276
Idk just saved a webm that have me feelios

>>10178864
Tes has horrible writing except for the kirkbride elements.

>>10179039
Fuck, theres something magical about video game voice acting at the turn of the millenia that touches me so much. Were did all the old theater trained drama actors disappear to? Cinematics in diablo 2 were so good

>>10178500
Sadpanda code?

>>10179172
budgets.
when games cost 60+ million to make where half of it is advertising and half of the other half is just licenses and properties there isnt actually much left to hire talented people anymore.

>>10179162
But there's a lot of it, making it hard to understand and thus easy to conflate with 2deep4u and thus good.

>>10179172
Because now it's all about the shiny graphics and physics engines and AI and crafting systems and persistent worlds. They just try to cram as much shit into a game as possible so it barely feels like it has a coherent genre. The overload it with features and don't bother polishing any of it, hoping the sheer amount of crap they put in will appease consumers until they can release the next title that is barely distinguishable from the last.

>>10179186
Idk, people still pay tons on actors, it's just more often big names that are sales draws, don't see many talented method actors, they'd rather have the new hot thing.

>>10179224
That seems to be the AAA method, but the Paradox/Bethesda method seems to be to get a working beta version of a game that manages to avoid crashing 80% of the time then release it at full price and expect the fans to fix it and add content to it with mods.

>>10179234
Bethesda isn't even close to not being aaa.

>>10178971
haaaaaa haaaaaaaa

>>10178189
>you might as well speculate on someone bringing a cyborg to court.

Now there's an idea

>>10178971

>>10179278
I didn't say they were?

>>10175904
>>10175895
>>10175912
>daniel black

>Daniel Black - Perfect Peace (mobi, epub) by Daniel Black
>“You was born a boy. I made you a girl"

>>10179450
im pretty sure they were refering to this series
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22500562-fimbulwinter

>>10178779
Morrowind.
Unless you know a better one to get my cat fix.

If I'm not writing for the ivory tower, how big are issues like "bad prose" or "certain major characters have unclear motives"

Just passed 20,000 words, but sadly this is only like 10% of my goal. Wish me luck, /sffg/

>>10179529
>bad prose
Is a meme for the most part. If your prose is readable and easy to follow then you are doing it right. If you crave a benchmark for comparison then look at Robert Jordan or Brandon Sanderson, both of them have very plain and serviceable prose. Get to that level first, then elaborate if you feel it's necessary.
>certain major characters have unclear motives
It depends on the story. You need to think about things like characterization in terms of serving the story. If a character's motivation is unimportant then why waste pages on it? Sure some people might be curious but maybe you want them to be curious. Take criticism like this with a grain of salt. Be open to ideas and if they can give you a good justification for it you should take it into consideration, but if it's just somebody expressing an opinion (i.e. I feel this character's motivation was lacking) feel free to disregard it if you feel your decision was well founded and they have no arguments to the contrary.

Anyone still feeling any hype for Sanderson's book? I just don't care anymore.

>>10179655
I want to read it, but I want to wait til it comes out on paperback to buy it so it matches my other two.

I was just looking up Gene Wolfe actually. I'm almost done with Shadow of the Torturer, but I'm curious how his other volumes are, Long Sun and Short Sun. Were they received as well as The Book of the New Sun?

I wonder how important stuff feeling magical is for actually decent YA fantasy.

Like, Harry Potter obviously had an assload but there were only like 4-5 magical elements per book in His Dark Materials

>>10175895
Scandalous

>>10179604
Goodluck you glorious faggot, that's gonna be one hell of a suicide note/ school shooting manifesto.

>tfw four years into a novel and haven't even got a workable plot outline.

>>10175895
This cuck just googled "sex for me" and posted the first 3 results.
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/110080.Erotica_for_Men

>>10179479
Is there a Khajiit castration mod?

So what's a fantasy series where the books dont get worse with each installment?

>>10177947
>>10178189
>a sadist would enjoy someone who basically doesn't feel pain
My dudes?

>>10179529
>>10179627
Bad prose is a huge problem, average prose (Jordan, Sanderson) is not a problem at all.

>>10179663
Long Sun is much more talky and slow paced compared to New Sun, Short Sun is some of Wolfe's best writing, but you need Long Sun to get there. Both are worth it for Wolfe fans.

>>10179870
Divine Cities. No decline through the trilogy AND each book is a self-contained story.

>>10176656
I'll pay 5usd to any paypal if you can find the epub or mobi.
It's not on my private trackers or anywhere yet. The audiobook is easy but the ebook just doesn't exist to pirate.

>>10179966
>OD → Pre-release: Expected October 31, 2017
You think that someone's going to pay money for the privilege of uploading a book that's going to be free in a few days, anywhere that isn't Redacted to the tune of a substantial buffer reward? I requested a book on there once, someone bought it for me 5 hours after I requested it (ratio 1 GB = 2 USD) and it took five whole days for anyone to even bother uploading it anywhere else.

Most people don't read, it's not like television where you can autodl a 1080p episode two minutes after it airs. Set and forget a regex filter on mobilism in pagemonitor and customise your BIB + MAM RSS filters. If the audiobook is out, just listen to that.

>>10178699
He has a similar fascination with swords and knives. It's pretty likely the soldier/boat thing is because he's a veteran and the Autarch as the narrator and knowledge of these things is important to his daily existence.

The swords/knives thing is probably from his education as a torturer.

>>10179186
It's literally the opposite. Theatrical actors are cheaper, but they're unlikely to be part of the union that large publishers use to hire voice actors. Most publishers don't audition or interview for VA's, they just contract them via the union and hire whoever is cheapest.
It's actually games with lower budgets that tend to have better voice work these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjMCsibFN8o

>>10180076
>Autarch
I've never really thought about that, are there more changes in his way of thinking/behaving/retelling that hint at him becoming the Autarch?

Anyone reading the new Pullman book? I just finished reading some Oulipo works and was going to move onto some Eco next but someone thoughtfully sent me this YA novel as a gift, wondered if anyone else had read or was reading it?

>>10180117
Well, even from the opening sentences you can assume from his tone that he rises far above his initial station as an orphan apprentice in an low trade. The first obvious hint that gets dropped is his comment about how he "now rules" the apelike creatures guarding the Autarch's treasure in the mine.

While he talks in detail about e.g. soldiers, boats, and swords, more subtly he's also rather coy about other things that an Autarch might not want widely known: the nature of the being that scares off the apes in the mine, the layout of the palace, and later on the actual passwords and other security procedures he uses to prove who he is.

>>10178471
>Is Neil Gaiman actually worth reading?
Unless you're an obese goth chick then no he isn't.

>>10174660
The New Sun doesn't read like a 12 year old boy's power fantasy. The unreliable narration for Rothfuss is just an excuse to make his self insert less cringy.

>>10178471
I've read most of Gaimans works and I think he's a good writer. However I have not read Stardust so I can't say if it's a good representation. I think he's an amazing storyteller but only a good writer, several of his books feel like they could have been better. His true masterpiece is Sandman, it's an amazing read and worth it even if you're not into comics.

>>10174811
In case you're still lurking the thread or come back there is such a list.
http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0307/3619.txt.shtml
I never used to buy into the Severian is an unreliable narrator meme but there's a lot of instances. I still prefer to just take what he says at face value.

>>10180371
Not him, but interesting.

Any novels with a little girl martyr protagonist?

>>10177560
More than 50% of the people in this thread (who unironically like sff) use audiobooks.

>>10180119
Nice cover
>tfw buying books by the cover instead of the content

>>10180601
I use audibooks solely for less than good literature that doesn't require much concentration. Like Brandon Sanderson stuff. I can't imagine listening to BotNS on audio, for example.

>>10176397
>And if anyone is looking for a new series I highly recommend the Traitor Son Cycle.
Don't listen to him.

Just read the series, pretty okay. No characters at all, but a somewhat unique twist on the whole "first contact war" thing. Not great, but so far the best in class. Hopefully things will get a little more difficult from here on out, I'm not looking forward to another "humans conquer the galaxy in a year", but so far it seems like there are at least two groups of aliens they're not going to fuck in the ass anytime soon.

But seriously, there are no characters in this series. Oh, there are people with names who do things, but I've literally seen cardboard cutouts with more distinct and interesting personalities. Space combat is decently written, I'd love to see that part of the books grafted onto some sort of actual interesting characters and story.

Any recs for a space war drama with some characters that could actually emote their way out of a wet paper bag? And preferably with some aliens that are a little more interesting than the furry-klingons, literally-just-humans, actual factual greys, and generic-bug-men?

Man, I swear this series would be better if we just never saw inside the ships and the whole thing was just battles, everything else is boring as fuck.

>>10178183
>Hobb is really good
>a story about an assassin who never assassinated any is good
>stories about mercenaries actually doing their jobs and killing people is edgy
It's like you read fantasy to have opposite of reality, because you are retarded. Mercenaries (US navy seals, marines, etc) kill people irl, an assassin who doesn't assassinate isn't an assassin.
Go read Winnie the pooh if you don't like killing and people dying.

>muh audiobook
I MADE A POLL.

http://www.strawpoll.me/14221745

PLEASE ANSWER TRUTHFULLY.

>>10180742
>he forgot ebooks
shig

Anon, I invoke the meme. Do not abandon us in this hour of trials.

>>10180796
Make your own, better poll then!

>>10180805
ubik

>>10180641
>I can't imagine listening to BotNS on audio, for example.
I did, 5/5 Stars.

>>10180717
>Any recs for a space war drama
Undying Mercenaries by Bv Larson
Agent Cormac series by Neal Asher

>>10180742
>giving my personal information to you so you (the feds) can match it to my ip here and use it to better track me
Kek

I love Gene Wolfe, but I feel like I'm missing something big with A Borrowed Man. Presumably, as with his other works, the narrator was lying about something, and I just got duped. Has anyone here read it and have thoughts about it?

B-ok looks like it's down. Help

Is Ringworld worth reading?

Any /lit/ that captures the feeling of a stalenhag picture? Like Knausgaard by way of Ballard?

>>10180930
First book is fine.
Then the yiffing begins.

>>10181021
Does it stop?

>>10181055
No. A reduction happens after a certain situation is resolved, but it remains the standard greeting.

>>10180896
Do a batch download and take a bunch of backlogs one time so it isn't down when you need it.
Fucking normie.

>>10180960
Is that a prison??

>>10181021
>the yiffing
Elaborate.

>>10181130
>the sexpires are upon us, we are undone!
>there is no choice. we must do "that"
>"that"? must we?
>yes my sweet, get your weapons ready, it's gonna be a long night
>let the yiffing begin

>>10181130
How new to thw internet are you?
If you want to fuck that bunny from zootopia, that is called yiffing.

>>10181251
Yeah I know but there are different kinds of yiff. Furry content isn't necessary bad, the Chanur books are examples of stuff people might call furry that's actually great.

>>10181263
>stuff people might call furry that's actually great.
Mate you're a furry.

What trek related written works are actually worth reading ? No fanfic/erotica pls

>>10181271
>Mate you're a furry
FUCK

this any good?
form the description i expect a coming of age story with adventure and awkward teen romance.

>>10178211
The only authors like that which are semi-regularly talked about are Wolfe and Tolkien, and half of the people in these threads hate Tolkien

>>10181292
>READING NOVELS WITH AUTHORS WHO HAVE "TERRY" SOMEWHERE IN THEIR NAME

Why is it that Jack Vance can say in a few lovely lines what Tolkien takes entire pages to describe?

>>10181336
are you one of them CIA NIGGERS?

>>10181338
Vance isn't that good and Tolkien isn't that bad

>>10181344
>Writing is for niggers
Literally something Terry said

>>10181263
The only yiffing in the main Chanur series is an old married couple and they just complain about zeroG being more painful than fun. That last book though...

>>10181367
hes completly right.
thats why i only listen to audiobooks to hear the voice of god.

One thing, as a woman, that bothers me. Is the lack of disturbance towards the concept of pregnancy in novels. Seriously, it's like nobody considers it. Especially given how little of a choice there was in the far past towards our rights and unwillingness. It's terrible body horror shit. It's demeaning, dehumanizing, it fucks up what you look like forever. It breaks your pelvis in microfractures. It's just, awful through and through with some positive elements.

But I don't like how it isn't explored, demeaning and dehumanizing labor we have no choice but to be put through is a concept I don't that's ever been handeled well or properly. Maybe it's me, it's a deep seated fear of not being understood, that men's desires for heirs in the past, or just their mindless desires in the present, override our own autonomy and emotions towards them, making you feel like you don't see in them what they see in you.

I don't know what I'm saying. I just wish women weren't constantly written as "Men! But different!", and not facing the grimey slimey disturbing bullshit dealt with is. Or how we're forced into believing its acceptable after shock and sobbing of it wear off as a child, for some people, and for many people, it doesn't wear off. This was even more prevalent in the past I'm assuming given the lack of choice involved.

What are Erebus and Abaia in BotNS?

>>10181392
You have some serious mental issues.

>>10174192

>>10181392
This is my favorite /sffg/ copypasta

>>10181400
Giant aliens basically. Or Elder Gods. Either way, hey are big and they are bad.

>>10181392
I wish we had had a better discussion about this, but it was before we admitted to all being women.

>why haven't you read the Book of the New Sun yet anon?

>>10181452
>i have tho

>>10181292
One question: How do you feel about BDSM?

A significant part of the plot involves six foot tall, blonde, blue eyed Aryan Dominatrices in skintight red leather bodysuits whipping and beating the Main character(and his love interest!) with vibrating electroshock dildos until he falls in love with them.
There's also powerful wielders of mind control magic(all of whom are hot women) that makes you fall in love with the user, an order of mages(all female) who train prospective male students by locking them in shock collars and raping them(inbetween their demonic orgies). Keep in mind I'm leaving out a lot of the BDSM, no seriously there's a lot more.

>>10181659
sign me up

>>10181452
Because I don't feel like being hammered with Christianity.

Tip of my tongue: book about alien Invaders, aliens are telepathic or empaths or something, aliens kinda Lord over everyone, some crazy guy loves the aliens so much that he can kill 'em and they don't see it coming.

I read this ages ago, and it's bugging me I can't remember.

>>10181684
>basing your reading choices on memes
get out

>>10181695
Book of the New Sun

If I don't rekindle my love for math I'll have to either drop out of uni or kill myself

Books for this feel?

>>10181734
Flowers for Algernon.
Gets dem feels in you lad.

>>10181734
Flatland

>>10181714
Tell me about the cacogens. Why do they wear the mask(s)

>>10181734
>books
Just watch this: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x223gx8

>>10181338
Please provide at least two (2) instances of Tolkien using excessive description. I don't know where this meme came from, but I've found that Tolkien is relatively sparse with his descriptions compared to many fantasy authors.

>>10181659
wat.
i didnt get that at all from the description. it sounded more like an innocent adventure with awkward love between two people.
uh
im not sure id like to read it anymore.

>>10181412
nice meme synthesis

>He drew a deep breath. ‘I did not know you rode bare-back, Gandalf,’ he said.

A really petty complaint I have about BotNS is how Severian repeatedly succesfully uses his fuligin cloak as if it made him invisible. If fuligin is supposed to be "darker than black" to the point it's impossible to see the seams and creases of the cloak, that's basically real-life vantablack (which to be fair didn't exist back when the books were written) and that would mean than in anything less than perfect pitch-black conditions or several miles of distance you can clearly see the outline of an unnaturally dark object

Reading this. At first I hated it. then I gave it another shot after abandoning it.

It's pretty good. It's overwritten as fuck, long awkward descriptions of shit that could be shortened.

Good action, lots of pewpew.

The culture are a bunch of utopian fags though.

>>10181946
consider plebs
IAN M BANKS is clearly a weirdo commie, writing about some future where humans are pets of omnipotent machines

>>10181953

yeah he is your typical britbong socialist but it's good sci fi action shit. I don't think its highbrow hard science in the least. pulp roody poody tooty shooty.

>>10181990
Banks reminds me of literally every Scottish Scifi author ever.

>>10181836
Oh that's in there too, between all the BDSM, rape, and mind control.

>>10182049
So ... just him then.

>>10182068
>Forgetting about faggot extraordinaire Morrison

Any recommended scifi/fantasy novels that feature ballbusting/cbt? Administered by a female of course

>>10182068
Michel Faber

>>10181946
i enjoyed the whole series. thankfully, they all take place on the fringes of the Culture, or outside it entirely, because they are indeed an unbearably self-righteous bunch.
the AI characters are hilarious.
Phlebas was one of my least favourite, although it was the first one I read. Use of Weapons is the one I remember most fondly.

>>10182096
You mean the comicbook writer? They're not even slightly similar

>>10182112
No idea who that is but it shouldn't be surprising that two writers from the same background writing in the same genre might strike some similar notes.

>>10181272
Teenage me thought pic related was good. Old me thinks Trek is for plebs.

>>10181338
Tolkien wrote epic fairytales within established archetypes. You pretty much have to be a landscape painter if you're in that field.
I wouldn't say Vance is really all that descriptive. He paints with enough detail to define the scene but which scenes define his work? It's usually the interplay between characters, not the setting. Tolkien on the other hand is replete with scenery defining the action: Orthanc in Isengard, Helm's Deep, the Downs, etc. The forest of Tantrevalle, Lyonesse Town, the Ulflands are nondescript by comparison.
>>10181353
>Tolkien isn't that bad
Somebody's been huffing too many memes.

>>10182176
I was referring to how many people who haven't actually read Tolkien tend to talk about his narration as if it was endless pages of incomprehensible purple prose about trees

>>10182198
Although, now that I think about it, that functions as a somewhat accurate description of the Silmarillion

>>10182198
We're cool, then.
>>10182205
Yeah, I've never been as impressed with the elder tales stuff as /sffg/ seems to be. The whole spiel reads like the knights of the Round Table split up into teams to play cowboys and indians.

>>10182176
>Trek is for plebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkk-IYaXlVQ

>>10182236
>The Silmarillion
>The whole spiel reads like the knights of the Round Table split up into teams to play cowboys and indians.

https://youtu.be/EQQNfLA5Fw4?t=182

>>10181695
PLEASE I NEED THIS TOO

>>10182113

yeah, I don't think I could handle a whole book with the culture fags preaching at me. but I don't mind them as background fodder.

>>10174544
I didn't care for Borne. It was okay. The main female character did seem to be a clone of Ghost Bird though.

I'd like to try his Ambergris series but my library doesn't carry then.

>>10182264
The movies really sucked but that's a great scene, capturing the feel of a traditional French family at Christmas. It's a much more vivid presentation of the same concept from The Inner Light, where Picard is reflecting on the path not taken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjCxl9JL6Ug

I lubbed me some TNG but I ended up growing out of utopian scifi. The reflection of the scene you linked versus the reality today illustrates why.

>>10182236
Don't you need visible genitalia or lasciviousness to call it that?
>tfw actually needed spellcheck to keep me from using lasciviciousness

>>10182392
Reproduction hell, I'm not even sure they had digestive tracts. Everyone ran on the pure force of their emotions.

>>10182423
The kitten

>>10182515
Oh, kek. Didn't expect anyone to check.
We'll have to ask Catfag, I guess.

>>10181400
Giant evil aliens that live in the ocean, although it's possible that one of them is just a drastically "upgraded" human.

>>10181946
>>10181953

Y'all realise that's by a fair bit his worst book, right?

>>10182521
That's my opinion then.

>>10182552
Noted in the thread log. I'll clipart some animu tiddays onto a calico for you next time.

>>10182543
To be fair, the second gal was taking exception to The Culture in general which applies even to good stuff like "Player of Games".

>>10182558
i am not a gal

>>10179655
I thought that was Jasnah on the cover about to kick some ass, but the more i read of the chapters released so far it's pretty clear it's just that ginger, freckled, ptsd filed cunt in her alter ego disguise.

>>10182747
Good, she was awful in Wonder Woman.

>>10182753
no bully

>>10180658
It literally has all three. (If you count lesbian as gay)

>>10181734
Are you me?
Some days I just feel like everything is symbol-pushing and abstract maths is completly pointless.

Read Stoner.

>>10182098
You need help

>>10182770
The first book didn't.

>>10182790
Fair enough.

Is there a list of GRI approved books somewhere>

>>10182552
We square now?

>>10182558
Thank you, I await with anticipation. Keep it classy senpai.

>>10182806
Yes, much appreciated.

>>10182816
>>10182806
Put breast on that dragon on bookx meme :3

>>10182862
Terrible idea. That's basically what I was going to do if memeanon took too long.

>>10182098
BotNS

>>10182961
Is there any rec question BotNS isn't the answer to?

>>10183102
Gay sex

>>10183102
Plenty. It's just that me and others who read the book don't feel like contradicting that shill anon.
This was something they did before. Every question asked about a rec they would say "botns", even though nothing of the sort was in the book being recommend. This anon is doing it again and we oldfags who actually read it cba to say shit.

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