/lit/ - Literature

>>10109398
fuck that's a boring choice

who, in novels of great emotional force, has uncovered the abyss beneath our illusory sense of connection with the world

>We need a bland Japanese man who isn't Murakami
>Say no more senpai

>Jap
inb4 murakami goes full mishima

>>10109398
I've heard of him, but I assumed he was some Zadie Smith type middle-brow author.

Where do I start with his works?

educate yourself

>>10109411
kek

>>10109411
he is a British novelist, has always written in English

>>10109411
This.

>>10109444
god bless the queen and Ishiguro

>>10109444
His subject matter and style is also incredibly British

>>10109459
what about his accent

Never read him. Where should I start?

>>10109424
[Spoiler]He is [/Spoiler]

Never Let Me Go and The Remains of the Day are his best-known works

I get it, but it really was murakami's turn this year

>>10109411
>Japanese
Always suspected that the people who shit on Murakami are plebs who don't even read.

The English papers are going to be so fucking smug

When he strikes, he only leaves the remains of the day

When will we find out and also I want Marlon James to win

>>10109555
Nice trips but Ishiguro already won. There was a live-stream.

Take THAT you RACISTS!
Son of non-white immigrant who's made it in his target country wins the highest honor possible, how about you PEEWEE DIAPER RACISTS!? NO NOBEL? DIDN'T THINK SO!

Open borders NOW!

>>10109576
that's not nice. what about my hurt cis white male feelings? ;_;

>>10109476

I have read everything that we wrote before 19q4 (aside from Kafka at..). He is easy reading. There is a time for it, but high end he is not.

>>10109576
Ah yes the famed Japanese refugees fleeing to Europe from Algeria to avoid the Syrian civil war.

>>10109589
To be fair Ishiguro unironically thinks there's roaming gangs of britbongs murdering any yellow skinned person they see.

>>10109593
You're kidding? Why does he think that?

>>10109584
>but high end he is not.

Neither is Ishiguro and Bob Dylan and yet here we are

>>10109602
Because the working class voted against his upper class interests in the Brexit referendum.

>>10109555
>I want Marlon James to win
Same, but he's only written 3 books

>>10109604
What a retard. . .

>>10109555
probably will in 30 years if he keeps his quality

>>10109608
Maybe in the future he might win it if he keeps being consistent. I have high hopes for that guy

>>10109411
more like
>We need the whitest guy you can find who isn't actually white
>Say no more desu

>>10109616
It's actually kinda depressing, he tries so hard to convince people he's Japanese.

>>10109603

Yeah. I think the prize was(most recently) at its best from 98-08, peaked with Le Clezio, and started going downhill with Llosa (who I actually like, but was a really boring pick).

>>10109398
more like SPAZuo TRASHiguro

>Pynchon's last month alive
>They give it to a literal who Chinese dude

>>10109639
I think more people have read Ishiguro than Pynchon.

>3rd anglophone writer in 5 years
boring

They really manage to find the most boring or otherwise underwhelming choices. Year after year, I'm impressed.

>>10109649
Doesn't look anglo to me

>>10109660
I said anglophone, moron.

>>10109464
Next time, go look it up yourself, faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SmuYqKeTTs

Seriously, after giving us TWO YEARS OF BULLSHIT, with a journalist and BOB FUCKING DYLAN, they give it to.... fucking Ishiguro???? Are they trying to make up for the two previous years with the most boring choice possible?

>>10109679
desu i can deal with alexavich although she is a "journalist" what she does with that is genuinely very interesting, she will record people telling her to fuck off or telling her she's insensitive and shit

After this I've lost the last bit of hope I had for the Nobel. What are some literary prizes that aren't total shit?

>>10109683
Yeah. I read her 4 books available in English and they were all pretty good.....a fuck of a lot better than the 3 Ishiguro books that I have read too.

>>10109694
all the english language ones seem shit, dont know enough about other languages literature to be able to identify any credible prizes.

>>10109695
definitely i'm a lot happier with her

>>10109694
Pulitzer

>>10109708
haha nice joke mate

>>10109694
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_of_Asturias_Awards#Literature_.28Letras.29

Boring choice. But still better than https://youtu.be/3mhDFpMRmH0

>>10109714
Asturias gave Leonard Cohen (also an actual novelist and serious poet) the award instead of bloody Dylan and they actually gave it to Roth.

>>10109721

The Kafka prize is mostly good too. Though, they gave it to Murakami, which is pretty corny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Kafka_Prize

>>10109719
what the fuck how have I not seen this before what is the story behind this i've only read one of his plays

>>10109471
Why did they get rid of the spoiler tag

>>10109444
>>10109476
I said Japanese man rather than writer for this exact reason

>>10109714
MATE this is even worse than the fucking nobels lmao one prize was litterally the people of fucking puerto rico jesus christ how can yous ay this with a straight face

>>10109722
Giving it to Murakami is perfectly fine, though. Atwood is the one who sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>10109733

I'm sure the people of PR have written better books than Dylan, and I would rather my prizes have made their worst mistakes 30 years ago rather than 30 minutes ago. Though, in general, that prize didn't get decent until it got more international.

>>10109741
Why are people still butthurt about Dylan winning the nobel? Even fucking Cortázar said lyrics were game and that he'd be fine with Dylan winning it back when he was still alive.

Sure, Leonard Cohen would've been a much better pick, but still

>>10109741
mate paul auster also has it, jon barnaville fucking richard ford, i'll give them props for magris though

Went to see how Japan was reacting
http://may.2chan.net/b/res/514397205.htm
They're disappointed for their boy Murakami, but they like Ishiguro's british accent so everything worked out OK.

>>10109750
Banville>Auster>>Ishiguri, not that it is a high bar. I can't defend Richard Ford, though-hate that fucker.

>>10109756
Also Neustadt isn't horrible either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neustadt_International_Prize_for_Literature

>>10109756
i'm not sure that's even true at least ishiguro's books are readable all of them are better than auster, I read the bookershort list ever year as well and i'm dreading 4321 so fucking much

>>10109398
You cunts need to stop complaining all the time. Ishiguro is phenomenal and you either know that or you haven't read him.

>>10109763

Auster is basically high level lowbrow. I like him better than Murakami, but he's not that far above him. 4321 was OK, but somewhat corny. He does better with shorter quirkier books. 4 3 2 1 sounds like an idea Roth would have had and thought better about, even though he would have made it 100 times better if he wrote it.

>>10109729
they didn't

>>10109621
>born in Nagasaki
is he radioactive by chance?

>>10109767
ISHIGURO IS FOR BABIES
YOU ARE A BABY

>>10109767
I have read The Remains of the Day, A Pale View of Hills, and An Artist of the Floating World. I do not concur. Though, none of them were bad, just middleishbrow.

>>10109626
Le Clezio was an internal french mistake. Michel Tournier should have won it. He was a fucking LEGEND. Le Clezio is good, but Tournier is another level.

>>10109671
wow, he's truly an englishman

>>10109784
*You cunts need to stop being wrong all the time.

>>10109779
Some say he was bitten by a radioactive book when he was a teenager.

>>10109767
>It seems increasingly likely that I really will undertake the expedition that has been preoccupying my imagination now for some days. An expedition, I should say, which I will undertake alone, in the comfort of Mr Farraday’s Ford; an expedition which, as I foresee it, will take me through much of the finest countryside of England to the West Country, and may keep me away from Darlington Hall for as much as five or six days. The idea of such a journey came about, I should point out, from a most kind suggestion put to me by Mr Farraday himself one afternoon almost a fortnight ago, when I had been dusting the portraits in the library
Oh wow - this writing is simply phenomenal! I'm not lying when I say I read better pieces than this snooze-inducing Evelyn Waugh derivative in /crit/ on a daily basis

>>10109794
this is awesome. the nobel prize committee really outdid themselves this time :)

>>10109767
not cunt, OP here
it was the first thread after announcement,
for information purpose only

>>10109788

I have The Ogre, but haven't read anything by him yet. He could be better, but I enjoyed Le Clezio quite a bit, and Tournier had seemingly stopped writing 6 years before the Le Clezio prize.

Not everyone will agree, but I think that all of these would have been better than Ishiguro: McCarthy, Nooteboom, Echenoz, Kennedy, Ugresic, Krasznahorkai, Amis, Barnes, Vollmann, Everett, Banville, Aira, Moya, Delillo, Gass

>>10109802
barnes banville etc might be "better" but still not close to deserving, can have an almost infinite list of people who are better than ishiguro. When you have people like Krasnahorkai (as you mentioned), Marias, Magris even fucking Kundera knocking about it's just so offensive to give the prize to dylan and now ishiguro.

>>10109794
>Her intestines whine softly . . . A dark turd appears out the crevice, out of the absolute
darkness between her white buttocks . . . he leans forward to surround the hot turd with his
lips, sucking on it tenderly, licking along its lower side . . . The stink of shit floods his nose,
gathering him, surrounding. . . The turd slides into his mouth, down to his gullet. He gags, but
bravely clamps his teeth shut. Bread that would only have floated in porcelain waters
somewhere, unseen, untasted . . .
Wow, what the fuck american literary critics!

>>10109802
>Echenoz
holy fuck, you are truly a patrician. I love his (((biographies))) of Tesla, Ravel and Zatopek. He's kinda french Pynchon when it comes to spy novels (Je m'en vais)

>>10109811
Spy novel I meant "Lac", Je m'en vais is rather police novel, but equally funny and absurd.
But as a person, Echenoz is a little bit pretentious (smoking cigarettes during TV debates etc)

>>10109808

Yeah. Marias and Magris would have been better picks. Nadas too. I'm currently finally reading Parallel Stories and was sort of hoping that synchronicity would work things out. They don't even have his newest books past 2005 in the academy library, so I'm guessing that he is SOL, but I would really like to see Vollmann get it. Many of my usual eng language picks have died over the last 5 years. It's been a tough period for writers: Johnson, Salter, Matthiessen, Stone, etc.

>>10109821

I didn't know that about the smoking. That actually makes me like him even more since I'm a smoker in a place where people are way overly prissy about it.

>>10109859

I hadn't heard of this prize before. (I probably stayed away from it because I figured it was for like authors from the USA or something). It also looks pretty decent:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_Award_in_Literature

>>10109694

The Booker has gone to shit when they let freedom lovin', monster truck drivin' burgers into it

>>10109867

The intl Booker was okay until the outvoted lady threw a tantrum over Roth winning.

literary who?

We all know why they really picked this no name

quotas

Inb4 murakami commits honourable sudoku

>>10109876
there are too many brits who have won the prize. we don't need another

>>10109880
Dude some Jap won. its the guy in the OP

>>10109885
the man in the picture is clearly anglo saxon. clean your glasses sport

I actually think this is a great choice

>>10109859
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwnK_qhpRGQ
it's somewhere here I guess

Has anyone on /lit/ even heard of this dude prior to today?

>>10109914
>Has anyone on /lit/ even heard of this dude prior to today?
Yes. He's the Jap dude that (plot twist) is actually a British dude.

His writing is, of course, wholly bland and remarkably pointless, as always.

>Since last Friday I have been angry. I began by feeling angry towards those who voted Leave, all those who campaigned on that side.
>Angry that one of the few genuine success stories of modern history — the transforming of Europe from a slaughterhouse of total war and totalitarian regimes to a much-envied region of liberal democracies living in near-borderless friendship
>Yes, I am aware that many Leave voters voted that way wanting to stop “uncontrolled immigration”. I realise that “taking the country back” and “sovereignty” were for many people just euphemisms for “kick out the migrants”. A proportion of these people have, and will always have, an unshakeable hatred of foreigners (including white European ones). They are racists.
https://www.ft.com/content/7877a0a6-3e11-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a

He sounds like he has a room temperature IQ

>>10109933
SAFE CHOICE
A
F
E

This is the safest choice to day. Also the Academia loves celebrities recently.

>>10109914
>has anyone heard of this extremely famous and acclaimed writer prior to today
Yes, anyone who is actually interested in literature.

>>10109898
I honestly don't care who won but good for him

>>10109398
Anybody read his fantasy book? I forget the title.

>>10109938
But he's right.

>>10109952
Harru Potteru and the great emotional force
Harru Potteru and the abyss beneath our illusory sense of connection with the world

>>10109398
Wow. Didn't see that coming at all. He's my favorite contemporary novelist though, so good enough choice from my perspective.

>>10109938
>He sounds like he has a room temperature IQ
That's probably why all educated people share his opinion and proles who never finished high school share yours.

>All these people pretending to know him now that he won

>>10109956
fucking kekkek

>>10109784
You need to read The Unconsoled.

>>10109398
Ishiguro is /lit/ as can be, you're all just poorly read contrarians. The Unconsoled, Never Let Me Go, The Buried Giant–all works brimming with qualities we always hail.

Grow the fuck up and purchase at your local bookstore the oeuvre of our greatest living writer.

I'm super surprised that an author I've actually read won. The Remains of the Day is a really good book. Maybe I will check out some of his other stuff now

casey neistat will take it next year, heed my words

>>10109963
He's fairly well know.

Pretty sure he's also on some /lit/ recommended reading charts.

>>10109952
Kek if bait. The Buried Giant if not bait.

>>10109962
Educated people never have to live in the areas most affected by cultural enrichment. Maybe he'd change his tune if an """Asian""" grooming gang was sniffing around his grandchildren.

>>10109968
You haven't heard Bob Dylan?

>>10109411

>>10109975
>"""Asian""" grooming gang
>brexit
Yup, a retard, just like I suspected.

Why do you people even care about these awards? Are you folks that insecure?

>>10109963
He takes up 8 inches or so on my shelves. He's talked about relatively frequently on /lit/.

Lurk more and try being less of a pleb, anon.

>>10109962
He has a room temperature IQ because he still believes in the citizen/foreigner moral dichotomy, not because he takes one side or another of that dichotomy

>That's probably why all educated people share his opinion and proles who never finished high school share yours.
>mfw

>>10109976
well, yeah, but I wasn't expecting a celeb pick this year. And reading an entire book by someone makes you more familiar with your work than hearing a few Bob Dylan songs throughout your life

>>10109982
Its not like there are too many other literary events to talk about

> lit five year ago
> ree, nobel is obscurantist anti-anglo circlejerk
> US, Canada and UK get nobels in the past five years

So, The Unconsoled is his most challenging and rewarding work?

>>10110026
Ah yes - the classic Anglo surnames "Zimmerman" and "Ishiguro"

>>10110036
Yes, and I'd say it's his only good one.

>>10109982
>discussing a literary event in a literature board

alas, you a fagget

>>10110036
Most challenging, absolutely (though it's not hard, just ponderous). I personally got more out of Remains of the Day, but that's because my own life and career circumstances when I read it resulted in it hitting me devastatingly hard.

Does this mean my signed first edition of The Unconsoled is worth more now?

Most pleased one of my fellow country men won the prize

Never heard of the guy

>>10109398
>Ishiguro’s fellow Booker winner Salman Rushdie – who is also regularly named as a potential Nobel laureate – was one of the first to congratulate him. “Many congratulations to my old friend Ish, whose work I’ve loved and admired ever since I first read A Pale View of Hills,” Rushdie said. “And he plays the guitar and writes sings too! Roll over Bob Dylan.”

Kek. Rushdie just as sour about Dylan winning as /lit/.

>>10110107
lol

>>10109593
> citation needed

>>10110045
I mean that so many of you guys act as if the Nobel committee is some divine entity.

>>10109731
What did he mean by this?

>>10109421
lol

>>10110138
Point out 5 posts that do this

>>10109719
i have this open in two separate tabs, in contrapunction. marvellosso e magnifico

>>10109604
Its the other way around

>>10109671
>i've created a situation where these people are young people but their lifespans are limited to about 30 years
wow... not like pic related, right?

>>10110036
> Brodsky is the first name mentioned in the novel about a Kafkesque ordeal in a central European city where meaning and purpose are constantly lost
bravo ishiguro

>>10109963
>all these anons being exposed

>>10109914
Of course, but you'd have to actually spend time reading books instead of pretending to sound smart on an anonymous website for jap cartoons.

>>10110048
But each time I do so, I realize before long – my rightful place is with my husband. After all, there’s no turning back the clock now. One can’t be forever dwelling on what might have been. One should realize one has as good as most, perhaps better, and be grateful.’
I do not think I responded immediately, for it took me a moment or two to fully digest these words of Miss Kenton. Moreover, as you might appreciate, their implications were such as to provoke a certain degree of sorrow within me. Indeed – why should I not admit it? – at that moment, my heart was breaking. Before long, however, I turned to her and said with a smile:
‘You’re very correct, Mrs Benn. As you say, it is too late to turn back the clock. Indeed, I would not be able to rest if I thought such ideas were the cause of unhappiness for you and your husband. We must each of us, as you point out, be grateful for what we do have. And from what you tell me, Mrs Benn, you have reason to be contented. In fact, I would venture, what with Mr Benn retiring, and with grandchildren on the way, that you and Mr Benn have some extremely happy years before you. You really mustn’t let any more foolish ideas come between yourself and the happiness you deserve.’

>>10110036
The Remains of the Day is his best. The uncosoled is difficult but once you "get it" it is a one trick pony

Never Let me Go is YA tier unfortunately.

>>10110249

>Indeed — why should I not admit it? — in that moment, my heart was breaking.

>>10110036
i think so yes

>>10110249
I'd rather kill myself than read an entire novel infested with such cliche-ridden Hallmark Channel melodramatics. There's no way this guy is heterosexual.

>>10110274
You realize you are locking yourself out of George Eliot, Thomas Hardy, and Jane Austen.

>>10110274
Perhaps you should read this, then give that paragraph another try

NOOOOOOOOOO
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO MY FUCKING YEAR
REEESSSEEEEEE

>>10110285
Austen is pure dreck. I concur with Mark Twain's assessment of her. That twee, posh English countryside sentimentalism has always been England's most putrid "contribution" to literature.

>Remains of the day in 2017
>Steven practices his bantering skills on posting on 4chan

>>10110303
you say this as if austen isn't heavily ironic

>>10110316
>It's supposed to be bad!
Consistently the weakest defense of any piece of mediocre writing

Fuck this toilet Earth. McCarthy should have won.

>>10110320
trolling is supposed to make the other person look like a fool or monster, not yourself
.

>>10110303
mark twain is way more overrated than jane austen is

>>10110303
>austen
>sentimental
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA log off you pseud

Going to the book shop right now, should I buy The remains of the day or The unconsoled?

>>10110388
both baka.

>>10110390
I don't have enough money for both ;_;

>>10110400
remains of the day then.
brilliant book.
let me know if you want epubs/etc. for other ishiguro stuff.

>>10110404
K thanks

>>10110410
The Unconsoled is in the top 100 books pack https://mega.nz/#F!KgcnTALC!9QmFF05ekmd5b7KoI-uopg

>>10110427
RotD is better place to start with Ishiguro though.

>>10109981
>thinking the two things are unrelated
Yup, a retard, just like I suspected.

>>10110427
>2017

Hideo Kojima Nobel prize when?

Might check him out. Which translation is the best?

>>10110427
who the fuck made this

>>10110388
>buying some books just because the author just won a literary prize

>>10110770
He writes in English.

>>10110770
lol

>>10110804
Literary Awards are literally just recommendations that pay the author

>>10110804
Well obviously the judges saw something noteworthy? It's not bad to check it out to see if you agree or disagree.

>>10109721
>Im 14 and I know what """"""""""literature""""""""" is

>>10109616
>The Swedish Academy
>ever in need of a "white guy"

lmao

The Remains of the Day was a masterpiece.

>>10109398
I remember somebody on /lit/ predicting this like 3 months ago

>>10110249
I absolutely love this book

>>10109475
No

>>10109879
I could see this happening.

I was hoping they'd select a writer of actual literature just to balance out the Dylan memeaward. Oh, well.

They really ought to get to the old guard of actual artists before it's too late. Banville, McCarthy, maybe Edmund White.

>>10109411

>Rushdie was strongly favoured to have received the Nobel Prize in Literature but the Nobel organisers were later quoted as saying that he would have been "too predictable, too popular."

JUST

>>10110804
This comment is like the harmonized shooting of a thousand Brooklynite-hipster pseuds

Kys

>>10111752
Shouting*

>>10111743
I like the Ishiguro choice, but I am still shocked he won before Rushdie did. I guess the Nobel Committee is afraid of having a fatwa ordered on them too.

>>10109555
Marlon James is shit though
People with that style of writing are what's wrong with current literature

>>10109488
You dont know British intellectuals do you...they all hate each other and there'll be nothing but bitterness and jealousy

>>10110293
haha what a villain!

>>10109794
>>10109809
>>10110249
This is terrible, why not give it to Memecummy? Fucking hell.

>>10109914
Anyone who reads has. So, to your question, no.

>>10110303
Youve never read Auesten. To call her twee and setimental is like like describing Pynchon as concise minimal.

I guess as a person who doesn't read you think Jane Austen = period drama?

>>10110804
isn't that the point of a literary prize

The madman. He actually did it!

>>10109933
>bland and remarkably pointless
no u

Today I read "Never LMG." It was good. Man Booker material? Sure. Nobel? Are you fucking kidding? What are we, Donna Tart now?

>>10113455
>Today I didn't read "The Remains of The Day"

>>10113473
True. And it sucks that I have seen the movie.

>>10111793
Are you that anon who complained he copies Burroughs?

If so, you're still an idiot.

>>10109719
Downright Joycean
>>10109760
>The nominees (with representative texts noted) for the 2018 Neustadt International Prize for Literature are as follows:
>Emmanuel Carrère: The Kingdom, France
>Edwidge Danticat: The Dew Breaker, Haiti and US
>Amitav Ghosh: Sea of Poppies, India
>Aracelis Girmay: The Black Maria, US
>Mohsin Hamid: The Reluctant Fundamentalist, Pakistan
>Jamaica Kincaid: Potter, Antigua and US
>Yusef Komunyakaa: Pleasure Dome: New and Collected Poems, US
>Patricia Smith: Incendiary Art, US
>Ludmila Ulitskaya: The Big Green Tent, Russia
Who are you rooting for?

Why the fuck has everyone started using the word oeuvre on here since that guy won?

>>10111761
A bunch of people "left"[1] the academy because they wouldn't formally denounce that the fatwa on Rushdie.

[1] Actually they just stopped showing up to meetings because you can't technically leave the academy.

>>10114044
I like Ghosh a lot

This board gets only worse and worse.

>>10109914
I enjoyed "never let me go".

>>10114077
which book to into?

>>10109988
What did he mean by this? Or, how should we look at Brexit?

>>10111743
Rushdie literally cries every year he doesn't win the Nobel

>>10110321
>McCarthy should have won.
lmao imagine being this pleb. go back to r/books

>>10110831
>Well obviously the judges saw something noteworthy?
just like when they gave kissinger and obama the nobel peace prize? based infallible (((swedish academy))) can do no wrong

>>10114992
>the swedish academy decides the peace prize
>the peace prize is decided by swedes

>>10114044
>4 black women
Powerful.

>100 years from now the historians will be looking at the Nobel Prize recipients
>they'll be laughing about how the last white heterosexual man to win the Nobel Prize for Literature wasn't even an author

>>10115495
Dylan isn't white