/lit/ - Literature

>>21416453
Laws 735a-e, 736a-c
Laws 707d
Laws 713 a-3, 714 a-b
Laws 716 a-d

Let us, then, speak to them thus:—“O men, that God who, as old tradition tells, holdeth the beginning, the end, and the center of all things that exist, completeth his circuit by nature's ordinance in straight, unswerving course. With him followeth Justice, as avenger of them that fall short of the divine law; and she, again, is followed by every man who would fain be happy, cleaving to her with lowly and orderly behavior; but whoso is uplifted by vainglory, or prideth himself on his riches or his honors or his comeliness of body, and through this pride joined to youth and folly, is inflamed in soul with insolence, dreaming that he has no need of ruler or guide, but rather is competent himself to guide others,—such an one is abandoned and left behind by the God, and when left behind he taketh to him others of like nature, and by his mad prancings throweth all into confusion: to many, indeed, he seemeth to be some great one, but after no long time he payeth the penalty, not unmerited, to Justice, when he bringeth to total ruin himself, his house, and his country.”

What conduct, then, is dear to God and in his steps? One kind of conduct, expressed in one ancient phrase, namely, that “like is dear to like” when it is moderate, whereas immoderate things are dear neither to one another nor to things moderate. In our eyes God will be “the measure of all things” in the highest degree—a degree much higher than is any “man” they talk of. He, then, that is to become dear to such an one must needs become, so far as he possibly can, of a like character; and, according to the present argument, he amongst us that is temperate is dear to God, since he is like him, while he that is not temperate is unlike and at enmity,—as is also he who is unjust, and so likewise with the rest, by parity of reasoning. On this there follows, let us observe, this further rule,—and of all rules it is the noblest and truest,—that to engage in sacrifice and communion with the gods continually, by prayers and offerings and devotions of every kind, is a thing most noble and good and helpful towards the happy life, and superlatively fitting also, for the good man; but for the wicked, the very opposite. For the wicked man is unclean of soul, whereas the good man is clean; and from him that is defiled no good man, nor god, can ever rightly receive gifts.

So, which is the ultimate collection of his works with the best translation? Where can I acquire it?

Plato was unironically for the proto-Great-Reset.
This faggot literally tried and failed to influence Greek tyrants to get implement his faggy vision.
Why do we treat him like a genius again?

>>19152871
>One thing that almost everybody agrees on is that classical dualism does not work; mind and body—brain and consciousness—cannot be two different substances

Agreed.

I went to wikipedia and got this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_canon#Literary_canon
is this a good list? what would /lit/ consider as western canon?

>>18657375
>spiritualism

What ideas? And more importantly: on what those ideas rely on? Why are they important to you?

Once you have those answers, you should look for authors who delve on those themes, and also on the authors who influenced those authors on those questions. The later ones should be your starting point, and you should use ideas you garner from those readings as "mirrors" to your own.

>>18402046
Is this true:

For Plato, the entities of the sensible world are imperfect and deficient, and participate in other entities, perfect and autonomous (Ideas) of a much higher ontological nature and of which they are pale copies, which are not perceptible through the senses; Each Idea is unique and immutable, while things in the sensible world are multiple and changing, years later the conception of reality is approached in different ways.

The problem of universals is the only question that ultimately matters and it's a philosophical problem.

Essentialism or nominalism, /lit/?

>Justice is justice
>Good is good
>The ideal ruler of a city is me and my friends
Why do we take him seriously again?

Why do anglos call him Plato?

Ancient Greeks THEMSELVES referred to him as PLATON.
So do all the world's languages.

Except for anglos.
Why?

Which English translation will give me the best understanding of Plato's work? Is there any such single, best translation of all his works, or will I understand him best by reading translations by certain, distinct, best translators for each dialogue?

>>15783522
Stop infecting your mind with childish Greek plays. Read my works instead.

>Invents most of philosophy, then immediately solves it
heh, nothing personnel kid ;)

What is the best translation of the whole Plato corpus?

We had Greek (and Latin) in gymnasium.
The level was kind of low since many of students were unmotivated brainlets, but by the end we were able to read poetry in several dialects with the help of a dictionary. With 3 hours per week it took 4 years to get there, but if you are motivated and smart you could do it in one year. It will also help a lot if you already know a Slavic language, German or Latin.
I think it's probably not worth it to learn Greek just for prose, but the poetry is so amazing you will not regret it.
I don't know a good English language textbook, but I would try to go fast and start memorizing grammatical tables and vocab from the very beginning so you can start reading on Perseus as soon as possible. I'd recommend to start with Lucian or the New Testament, then move on to guys like Xenophon and Herodotus and maybe Plato. When you understand all the grammar you can start reading poetry and realize how none of the translations into English do it justice.

>>13712887
Plato. He comes across as your friendly guide in the tutorial area at the beginning, but in the final level he reveals himself as having been pulling all the strings of philosophy all along, and is thus the final boss.

>Plato (and Socrates)
>because he led me away from nihilism, materialism and atheism. For that I will be eternally in his debt.

I think i'm a gay now

>tfw you trick Christians into reading gay porn

I wish I was Socrates: the man.

>Socrates is the greatest man I've ever met, better depict him as a twink-hungry pederast

>>11235763
>mfw this is happening and people still won't admit that the ancients were right about sex and waiting til marriage

Is the virtue of wisdom and the love of wisdom the same thing, or are they different?