/lit/ - Literature

Las sesiones de dhikr o hadra tienen variantes diversas en función de las diferentes
ramas de esta orden sufi. Abdul Halim Mahmud, que presenció una sesión de dhikr de
Guénon en la mezquita del sultán Abu ́l Ala, nos da una referencia directa de ello:
"habiendo entrado en un grupo que recitaba el "dhikr", René Guénon empezó a
murmurar ensimismado y a sacudirse; después sus palabras se tornaron audibles y sus
movimientos se intensificaron; por fin he aquí que se sumergió y abismó en el "dhikr".
Al cabo de un tiempo tuve que despertarlo, hasta que se sacudió bruscamente con un
estremecimiento; recuerdo que pensé que regresaba de lugares remotos e ignorados".

Why is it so difficult for Guenonians to accept that he couldn't read Arabic and never bothered to learn? Why is it so difficult for Guenonians to accept that the only Arabic book he owned in his Cairo library was the Quran? This is attested by his french muslim followers, and no, I'm not referring to le evil Mark Sedgwick. Evola was right. Guenon's fanboys make him into a god and idolize his every word, never admitting a single criticism against him.

Read some rene guenon (pbuh) instead, way better if you are learning about esotericism and spirituality

Just so everyone who doesn't already know can know:

Every post about Rene Guenon (a largely unimportant and un-notable thinker to any normal person) is from a singular freak poster.

He always types in the same retarded structures and with the same words. Look for overuse of the words or phrases:
Based
Holy Based
pbuh
retroactively refuted

This guy is probably dangerously stupid in real life and refuses to engage in any real discussion outside of using retarded Guenon-ian terms and ideas that no serious philosopher has ever engaged in. It has been proven in the past that the same IP post every single one of the Guenon posts, don't be fooled into thinking he is a legitimate thinker or author. Ignore Guenonfag at all costs.

>>14984102
>Posting in based thread. Establishing duality (to show it is illusory)
Holy based...... I saw through the cracks with this Rope you threw into the deep pit of my delusion, brother...........

I am liberated............

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>>14934242
Based... Guénon (pbuh) sees, brothers. He knows...
Let us contemplate instead of acting... Guénon (pbuh) will use the hylic to further the Tradition....

>"Those who might be tempted to give way to despair should realize that nothing accomplished in this order can ever be lost, that confusion, error and darkness can win the day only apparently and in a purely ephemeral way, that all partial and transitory disequilibrium must perforce contribute towards the greater equilibrium of the whole, and that nothing can ultimately prevail against the power of truth."

- (a.s) عبد الواحد يحي
ﷺ

Is there any literature with the feeling of this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SA3126y4LU

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based.....

>>14666114
Well, technically it would not be seen as coom; just as Christians do not see bread as bread after the transubstantiation has taken place.
>Extreme precautions must be taken to not consume even a single dropling of an Amrita that has not yet fully transubstantiated, as it can contribute to great spiritual anguish. It is for this reason that the drinking of Amrita should be in its essence an initatic Sacrament.

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>>14634988
No intelligent (in the proper sense of the word) person listens to music, period.
>Concerning non-vocal music, by which I mean one involving any use of pitched musical instruments, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that all such activities should be abandoned in favour of purely vocal chants handed down through the oral tradition. It is more than likely that if a free reign of music was permitted in a society displaying even a slight state of decadence, there would remain very few musicians who display a true understanding of the traditional order and the purpose of music within it, which is a role purely subordinate to that of the traditional institutions; instead, as in the case of Europe, we might face ourselves with certain groups infiltrating the musical tradition and subverting it from within. Certainly, the historical record would bear this out. The events of the past few decades with the emergence of the most vile and repulsive 'composers' such as Erik Satie and Erwin Schulhoff offer the perfect example.
- from the famous Guénon-Evola correspondence.

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>>14631803
Indeed. The great Scholar René Guénon conferred the same viewpoing in his letter to Ebola.
>Concerning non-vocal music, by which I mean one involving any use of pitched musical instruments, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that all such activities should be abandoned in favour of purely vocal chants handed down through the oral tradition. It is more than likely that if a free reign of music was permitted in a society displaying even a slight state of decadence, there would remain very few musicians who display a true understanding of the traditional order and the purpose of music within it, which is a role purely subordinate to that of the traditional institutions; instead, as in the case of Europe, we might face ourselves with certain groups infiltrating the musical tradition and subverting it from within. Certainly, the historical record would bear this out. The events of the past few decades with the emergence of the most vile and repulsive 'composers' such as Erik Satie and Erwin Schulhoff offer the perfect example.
- from the famous Guénon-Evola correspondence.

>>14627638
>music
was retroactively refuted by Guénon (pbuh).

>Concerning non-vocal music, by which I mean one involving any use of pitched musical instruments, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that all such activities should be abandoned in favour of purely vocal chants handed down through the oral tradition. It is more than likely that if a free reign of music was permitted in a society displaying even a slight state of decadence, there would remain very few musicians who display a true understanding of the traditional order and the purpose of music within it, which is a role purely subordinate to that of the traditional institutions; instead, as in the case of Europe, we might face ourselves with certain groups infiltrating the musical tradition and subverting it from within. Certainly, the historical record would bear this out. The events of the past few decades with the emergence of the most vile and repulsive 'composers' such as Erik Satie and Erwin Schulhoff offer the perfect example.
- from the Guénonian-Evolan correspondence.

>>14611974
>>14615673
>debussy
Retroactively refuted by Shaykh René Guénon (pbuh).

>Concerning non-vocal music, by which I mean one involving any use of pitched musical instruments, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that all such activities should be abandoned in favour of purely vocal chants handed down through the oral tradition. It is more than likely that if a free reign of music was permitted in a society displaying even a slight state of decadence, there would remain very few musicians who display a true understanding of the traditional order and the purpose of music within it, which is a role purely subordinate to that of the traditional institutions; instead, as in the case of Europe, we might face ourselves with certain groups infiltrating the musical tradition and subverting it from within. Certainly, the historical record would bear this out. The events of the past few decades with the emergence of the most vile and repulsive 'composers' such as Erik Satie and Erwin Schulhoff offer the perfect example.
- From the Guénon(pbuh)-Evola correspondence.

>>14605711
>rap
Retroactively refuted by /lit/'s patron saint Guenon (pbuh).

>Concerning non-vocal music, by which I mean one involving any use of pitched musical instruments, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that all such activities should be abandoned in favour of purely vocal chants handed down through the oral tradition. It is more than likely that if a free reign of music was permitted in a society displaying even a slight state of decadence, there would remain very few musicians who display a true understanding of the traditional order and the purpose of music within it, which is a role purely subordinate to that of the traditional institutions; instead, as in the case of Europe, we might face ourselves with certain groups infiltrating the musical tradition and subverting it from within. Certainly, the historical record would bear this out. The events of the past few decades with the emergence of the most vile and repulsive 'composers' such as Erik Satie and Erwin Schulhoff offer the perfect example.

- Rene Guenon (pbuh) educates Julius Evola.

>>14609242
>music theory
Retroactively refuted by Guénon (pbuh).

>Concerning non-vocal music, by which I mean one involving any use of pitched musical instruments, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that all such activities should be abandoned in favour of purely vocal chants handed down through the oral tradition. It is more than likely that if a free reign of music was permitted in a society displaying even a slight state of decadence, there would remain very few musicians who display a true understanding of the traditional order and the purpose of music within it, which is a role purely subordinate to that of the traditional institutions; instead, as in the case of Europe, we might face ourselves with certain groups infiltrating the musical tradition and subverting it from within. Certainly, the historical record would bear this out. The events of the past few decades with the emergence of the most vile and repulsive 'composers' such as Erik Satie and Erwin Schulhoff offer the perfect example.
- from the (in)famous Guénon-Evola correspondence.

>>14587788
>its not their place to do so.
Indeed. Even the patron saint of /lit/ would agree with you.

>Concerning women, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion, that in a properly oriented society, a woman's place is strictly determined by her relation to man; the relation being that of pure subordination, and to put it simply, symbolized by her remaining in the kitchen, furnishing the spiritual hearth of the home in line with the Vedic tradition. This position will forever remain as the only appropriate direction for all women in life, as one cannot with any clarity transform it into a position other than that without 'utilizing' a wicked 'profanization' of sacred logic in order to justify such inversions of the traditional order. As for a man, he ought not to have himself a wife who does not fulfill her proper role in such office.
>This being so, and with regard to religious ideas, let every man understand, whether he gives any woman in his family more in keeping than he would give to a son, or vice versa, she still has the possibility of receiving an initiation into the lowest rung of any traditional order which studies the Amrita-sacrament, and solely in the function of someone who makes the necessary preparations for milking the Sacrament, thus still acting out her role in the aforementioned spiritual kitchen. She will naturally forever be ritually impure after participating in the initiation, thus it is appropriate for a man to have taken her maidenhead beforehand, so as to not leave himself vulnerable to spiritual attacks from any other males who might then take over the function of her rightful spiritual owner, in a precise sense I will not dwell upon here.

- René Guénon writes in a letter to Julius Evola.

>>14586756
>Incorrect. He works in ignorance of critical concepts central to Chinese thought, his erroneous orientalism is structured in such a way that he proceeds to stray further and further from the actual Chinese tradition into a laughable amalgam of his own western-shaped mental box.
>He never even touches on the inseperability of ancient conventionalism that forms one of the most important aspects of Chinese onto-epistemology. Anyone who takes Guenon's writings seriously is being being mercilessly swindled.
>Wrong. Chinese migration predates even the proto-indo-europeans, by about 155,000 years.

t. has not read a single word of the great gnostic Sufi Sheykh Abd Al-Wahid Yahya (pbuh).

>>14488824
>So what's the deal with music ?
Here is what Guenon would say about this:
>Concerning non-vocal music, by which I mean one involving any use of pitched musical instruments, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that all such activities should be abandoned in favour of purely vocal chants handed down through the oral tradition. It is more than likely that if a free reign of music was permitted in a society displaying even a slight state of decadence, there would remain very few musicians who display a true understanding of the traditional order and the purpose of music within it, which is a role purely subordinate to that of the traditional institutions; instead, as in the case of Europe, we might face ourselves with certain groups infiltrating the musical tradition and subverting it from within. Certainly, the historical record would bear this out. The events of the past few decades with the emergence of the most vile and repulsive 'composers' such as Erik Satie and Erwin Schulhoff offer the perfect example.

>>14443604
This contradicts a hadith narrated by Baron Julius Evola.
>Concerning non-vocal music, by which I mean one involving any use of pitched musical instruments, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that all such activities should be abandoned in favour of purely vocal chants handed down through the oral tradition. It is more than likely that if a free reign of music was permitted in a society displaying even a slight state of decadence, there would remain very few musicians who display a true understanding of the traditional order and the purpose of music within it, which is a role purely subordinate to that of the traditional institutions; instead, as in the case of Europe, we might face ourselves with certain groups infiltrating the musical tradition and subverting it from within. Certainly, the historical record would bear this out. The events of the past few decades with the emergence of the most vile and repulsive 'composers' such as Erik Satie and Erwin Schulhoff offer the perfect example.

>Look at me, mes amis, I am such a Muslim ! My new name c'est Abd al-Wâhid Yahyâ !
So this is your hero, /lit/?

>>14429792
This guy.

>Concerning women, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that in a properly oriented society, a woman's place is strictly in the kitchen, which constitutes the spiritual hearth of the home according to the Vedic tradition; nor ought a man to have a future or be in partnership with a woman who does not fulfill her proper role in such office. This being so, and with regard to religious ideas, let every man understand, whether he gives his woman anything more in keeping than he would give to a son, or vice versa, she still has the possibility of receiving an initiation into the lowest rung of a traditional order that studies the Amrita-sacrament, and solely in the function of someone who milks the Sacrament, thus still acting out her role in the aforementioned spiritual kitchen. I will not dwell on this matter any longer, but it goes without mention that no woman should be present near the Ashram whenever the transubstantiation ritual is taking place.
- Guenon explains to Evola in their correspondence.

>>14412374
>Concerning women, it is humbly and with all deference my opinion that in a properly oriented society, a woman's place is strictly in the kitchen, which constitutes the spiritual hearth of the home according to the Vedic tradition; nor ought a man to have a future or be in partnership with a woman who does not fulfill her proper role in such office. This being so, and with regard to religious ideas, let every man understand, whether he gives his woman anything more in keeping than he would give to a son, or vice versa, she still has the possibility of receiving an initiation into the lowest rung of a traditional order that studies the Amrita-sacrament, and solely in the function of someone who milks the Sacrament, thus still acting out her role in the aforementioned spiritual kitchen. I will not dwell on this matter any longer, but it goes without mention that no woman should be present near the Ashram whenever the transubstantiation ritual is taking place.
- Guenon explains to Evola in their correspondence.

You do not need friends or to discuss ideas. Just keep thinking and if you cannot contain your thoughts without want of verbalization, then get a thinking cap like most men of the philosophic tradition (Spinoza, Kant, Guenon, etc).