/lit/ - Literature

>>12057571
well, i'm already inclined to receive your ideas more charitably if only because of the TTC quote. leading a post with the Classic of the Way's Virtue + some outrageously based art charms the pants off me. 'tis a Moroder-tier post anon. would that they were all so great.

>No one says that deceleration will be comfortable.
no indeed. that is what the political memery is all anticipating. great winds a-blowin,' Copernican Days.

>Boo
kek. book yes, bombs no. there's no question that ISaaF is brilliant, obviously it is. it is the thesis in Mumford, Ellul, Glass, Heidegger and many others. but terror-hermits are a bad combination. why not rent an ice cream truck and just spike everyone's lemonade with MDMA? why not hire a bunch of merry pranksters and do something more harmless? why bombs? that's my point. i *know* why bombs, but...bombs.

>I'd make the point that the only reason deceleration "isn't really an option" is precisely because you're thinking with a reformist mindset rather than a revolutionary one.
that's true. fundamentally i think people are just very confused, and wired for mimesis in ways they can't CTRL. i like that which de-zombifies and de-angers. i relate to their confusion and disappointment. i would prefer the Taoist village, very much so. Zhuangzi is way cool for me, and goes well with process metaphysics. i'm really a dandelion myself.

>That's the whole point of rebellion. I'm sure it sounds paradoxical of me to advocate for revolting against the modern world while also saying it probably won't work, but the moralfag romantic in me is certain that this is the Way to be, regardless of whether or not it's a lost cause.
i just liked Boetie's phrase.

>I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer.

and mostly the tyrant is in us. the dread Law-Giving Hortator. men need work and to feel good about it. just work. the political stuff & the philosophy stuff also, it's not really so important. it's fun to think about, mos def, and perhaps clarifies some of the trajectories that the world is on. a dimly proto-sentient network of lightning bolts is kind of amazing, and Uncle Nick's unique blend of Right Marxism is exactly the counter to Foucault's Left Nietzscheanism. this no doubt sets it up for all the hegemony in the world in its turn also. no question.

but that's philosophy. it's only task is, as Deleuze said, the shaming and harming of stupidity. that much accomplished, the rest is in the hands of the great unknown. even Zhuangzi makes a good point about the Golden Rule actually not being as helpful as one might thing. people are unique and special. that's why i think it's enough to just make life excessively interesting for NPC flowcharts. and to avoid the anger, perhaps by knowing some of the causes, and speculating on the trajectories.

quite a based post tho anon.

>>12047156
so, in brief: my position on Space Taoism is, Fuck Yeah, and my position on normal Taoism is, Fuck Yeah.

>From this we may see that the world has lost the Way and the Way has lost the world; the world and the Way have lost each other. What means does a man of the Way have to go forward in the world? What means does the world have to go forward in the Way? The Way cannot go forward in the world, and the world cannot go forward in the Way. So although the sage does not retire to dwell in the midst of the mountain forest, his Virtue is already hidden. It is already hidden, and therefore he does not need to hide it himself.

Zhuangzi is making a lot of sense to me these days. i have a document full of little micro-rambles on various things, but most of them are just about surviving life on Planet Meme amidst an infinite buffet of triggers and other things. i like Taoism very much as a process of Rehab after Burnout. these are my own feels. it's part of Getting a Grip, which is that aspect of Land's thought that is the most overlooked amidst the Turing Cops and schizolupic breakouts from the bin. Taoism is most based indeedy in its ancient form, and AM has everything you need to know about its value in a futuristic sense.

>>12047266
>many of us who are already familiar with acceleration and cosmotechnics find Glass' comments to be obvious anyway
that's the thing, i guess. i don't mean to annoy you, it's just that i don't find quite as much to freak out about or explain in Glass' stuff, because that's not why i enjoy reading him. i enjoy reading him because he thinks things i think too, and he says them better than i say them, which makes him cozy af.

maybe it is superfluous, but i don't feel that way. i guess my sense is that my *own* talking is what is superfluous, not passages from TSP or Yuga. fwiw. there are things i am and am not interested in critiquing; Glass falls into the later category. what i *do* want to talk about is Land, and other stuff (while staying clear of Awesome Opinions, because those are worthless).

>>12047601
AM dropping bombs. the *cancerous* BwO is that thing. capitalism is the planetary cosmotechnics, par excellence, but it is also fucking *death.* in a sense, it works in the way that heroin works. or in the way the industrial revolution worked. we don't want to go Full Kaczynski, but Full Nick is also basically impossible. balance in all things. and sustainability. and about thirty thousand other things.

>>12047804
and this. will go in the OP of the next iteration. and what you pointed out is what i feel also:

>the thesis is that win-lose games at our level of power are all lose-lose games, and that win-lose games have become an obsolete game-theoretic model. The only outcomes are win-win or lose-lose with no space in between, which applied to global human civilization means that either a complete transition to a sustainable self-optimizing eutopia is realized, or doomsday.

(cont'd)

>>8400078
I don't read western sources but I own multiple translations of each core work. Eastern mysticism is to be understood and interpreted on the very personal level of each individual, it can't be prescribed and consumed as the more commodified western philosophical traditions. Your Thomas Cleary, Alan Watts etc. are a nice low-effort introduction to the concepts, as long as you don't become attached to their particular perspective as being some objective authority on the matter. You can ask for directions but it's your own journey and your own path to tread.

>>4624717
It's actually a preventive stance. You don't even engage in conflict, just quietly tip toe through the woods. Once you consider conflict a valid way of life you're lost already.

>>4531371
>Plebs as far as the eye can see
>11 years in Taiwan
No wonder you're such an ignorant jingoist. Your sympathies lie with the Taiwanese.

I'm not a lover of the CCP, or much of what it's done on the mainland, but to imply that nobody there reads classics is simple ignorance. In fact, their coverage in 1-11 (12 is for 高考) of the classics of their respective canon is much more comprehensive than the coverage in absolute pleb tier American public schools. Oh, you thought the only purpose of standardized central education in China was brainwashing? You've been brainwashed by the Taiwanese.
/rant

>>4537146
You sound like an immensely cool person. Here are my favorite Chinese poems:
One by 王安石:
白船瓜洲

京口瓜洲一水間
鐘山祇隔數重山
春風又綠江南岸
明月何時照我還

And a Dufu
江南逢李亀年

岐王宅裏尋常見
崔九堂前幾度聞
正是江南好風景
落花時節又逢君

Chinese takes a fucking long time to appreciate. I've been studying for five years now and I'm still not where I want to be. Loved Journey to the West (西遊記), and my favorite philosopher was 莊子 (out of 莊子,猛子,老子,孫子,and 孔子)。 I'm so happy that 莊子 is taught as canon in Japan. Most Western readers only read 老子 if they read any Daoists at all.

I've even done a couple translations from Chinese to English (I'm terrible the other way around) that have been published, which is very good practice for learning the history of the region where the writing is set and the literary allusions of the 成語. On that note, do you have something like 成語 in 日本語? They are (usually) 4 kanji idioms that are often a literary allusion or historical reference, but carry the meaning of that in only 4 characters.

Chinese facsimile versions of
>Zhuangzi
>Dao De Jing
>Analects
>Mencius
>Mozi
Gonna have to ask my friend to get them from China. So, y'know, Santa.
This shit is stupid cheap over there, though.

>>4169313


Chuang Tzu and Hui Tzu were strolling along the dam of the Hao River when Chuang Tzu said, "See how the minnows come out and dart around where they please! That's what fish really enjoy!"

Hui Tzu said, "You're not a fish - how do you know what fish enjoy?"

Chuang Tzu said, "You're not I, so how do you know I don't know what fish enjoy?"

Hui Tzu said, "I'm not you, so I certainly don't know what you know. On the other hand, you're certainly not a fish ‑ so that still proves you don't know what fish enjoy!"

Chuang Tzu said, "Let's go back to your original question, please. You asked me how I know what fish enjoy ‑ so you already knew I knew it when you asked the question. I know it by standing here beside the Hao."

— Zhuangzi, 17, tr. Watson 1968:188-9

>>4138998
Zhuangzi.

"To use this finger to show how a finger is not a finger is no match for using not-this-finger to show how a finger is not a finger. To use this horse to show that a horse is not a horse is no match for using not-this-horse to show that a horse is not a horse. Heaven and earth are one finger. All things are one horse."

>>4048953
Listen to this guy. Utter sloth is the answer.

Zhuangzi, nigga