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Was Jesus Christ a platonist?

The gospel of Matthew literally fabricates a quote to support Jesus' messiahood

Matthew 2:23
>And he went and lived in a city called Nazareth, that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled: “He shall be called a Nazarene.”

This isn't anywhere in the Old Testament or Apocrypha.

The usual Christian explanation is that it's a re-interpretation of Judges 13:5 or Isaiah 11:1 which use the words "Nazirite" and "shoot (netser) respectively, which both mean totally different things. If you deliberately change the meaning of a quote by altering the words, you're misrepresenting and being fraudulent.

After the fictional origin of this quote is shown, the usual reaction is to use stock 'get out of jail' Christian explanations which avoid addressing the specific problem, e.g. 'So what, I know Jesus was resurrected.' this Mere Christianity approach does away with all Christian orthodoxy and theology for the sake of avoiding hard questions. The significance of Jesus' resurrection and messiahood are dependent on prophecies, so it's pretty important to see if the prophecies hold up! In this case we have a fraud.

Another argument sometimes brought up in response is pre-suppositionalism which is a debate in itself, when brought up in response to a specific difficulty it's clearly being used to avoid the problem. In any case, it can be used to support any religion, so its usefulness is debatable.

There you have it: an author inventing a quote to support his narrative. Even if it's done in earnest with good intentions, it's false and deceptive.

>>20199675
Is there any kino urban fantasy? Seems like a lot of people have a low opinion of it.

Pic related because Jesus Christ is our eternally present Lord and Savior. Gloria in Excelsis Deo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccoZhuNlls

>post insightful things
Applied Marxism, commonly understood as some variety of communism or socialism, is wrong-headed. Private property is necessary for dignified human living. If charity is to exist, it must be voluntary. You can't put the genie back in the bottle, Man cannot return to the garden. Anything short of Marx's complete vision is a scam run by politicians trying to unload fiat currency for a number of decades until the inevitable occurs, and Marx's complete vision itself is unachievable by force. There is only one way: pic related.

>>19976136
fpbp

>>19976113
>Is it possible to distinguish between genuine faith and delusion?
In others, don't worry about it.
In yourself, as anon said if you don't have faith and you're a thinking sort read Aristotle's Categories then Aquinas. Read the Bible and go to Mass. Keep in mind also faith is a theological virtue, it comes from grace. Grace is given when it is asked for. Ergo, pray to God for an increase in faith. You're gonna make it anon. You're on the right track.

>>19983885
>a quantum science of Christ ... not putting my soul in jeoparty
lmao
>"corpses need fresh air and instruments to get resurrected"
lmao times two, could one possibly be more hylic-satanic. Resurrection is documented, anons, and it was not done through "fresh air." I'll grant you it may, with a sleight of hand and ignoring of inconvenient passages, be acquired through the Spirit (ie, pneuma).

Go ahead, continue in your seductive heresy then. Intellectual vanity feels so good only so long as you don't look in the mirror. Seems to me you all are ignoring that he is using the language of Christianity and using it poorly.

>pomo-prisons as gnostic metaphor instead of what it was: complaining about like society man

>>19937244
Satan is a created being, his creator is the same as your creator: it is right and just to praise Him.

>>19517672
But anon I HAVE seen the light