/lit/ - Literature

>We mold the best and strongest among ourselves, catching them young like lion cubs, and by spells and incantations we make slaves of them, saying that they must be content with equality and that this is what is right and fair. But if a man arises endowed with a nature sufficiently strong, he will, I believe, shake off all these controls, burst his fetters, and break loose. And trampling upon our scraps of paper, our spells and incantations, and all our unnatural conventions, he rises up and reveals himself our master who was once our slave, and there shines forth nature’s true justice.

>start books collection thread
>90% comments about apperance of shelf
at this point just enable upvoting possibility you fucking redditor niggers

So I read a collection of platos works and wonder whether I understood him correctly.

If I understood him correctly, then
>he is a rationalist, because the body only hinders thinking, concepts like honor, beauty, love etc. can only be understood by thought and making statements about the material world requires thinking because the senses only give raw information
>he is an idealist, but not an absolute one, he believes in the material world, but thinks since you can recognize things with different attributes as the same thing, you have an idea of it and the material things are just imperfect representations of a necessarily perfect idea
>he sees humans knowing certain concepts like difference/"the same" or existence from birth as an argument for idealism and for the soul existing before its current life
>he also believes because the soul is more similar to the divine/supernatural than to the material things, it is immortal
>he thinks learning is just remembering ultimate truths and relations of the ideas
>he thinks attributes have no existence in themselves, unlike "things" which have existence as representation of ideas"
>he sees the idea of God as the source of all that is good
>he rejects hedonism, thinks non stop gratification harms the soul, that striving towards knowledge instead is the more godly way, and that the best life is one that strives towards knowledge while still occasionally enjoying the pleasures of earthly life, but in a restrained way
>He believes men need to taught virtue and that someone who can't accept those/ act virtous is unworthy of life
>he thinks beauty itself is a value

Is my reading of him correct or have I misinterpreted some things or even missed some big points? Please tell me what you think, I need to know if I was getting filtered or doing ok for a midwit

People who convert to a religion because of a fiction book have worse decision making skills than trannies. Trannies at least do tonnes of neurotic research before chopping their genitals off. But some people think story books (containing no reasoning, no descriptions of facts) are good basis for committing to an entire different view of creation

I can’t help but think of anyone who does this as irreparably decadent. They are aestheticians. They have the critical faculties of a woman

>>19648968
No one claims Socrates endorsed pederasty. Just that he was a pederast

>>19590034
Yes

>Orestes and Electra have identical footprints
Was Orestes a footlet?

>>19584052
>>19584289
>>19584380
>COMPANION: Where do you come from, Socrates? And yet I need hardly ask the question, for I know that you have been in chase of the fair Alcibiades. I saw him the day before yesterday; and he had got a beard like a man,–and he is a man, as I may tell you in your ear. But I thought that he was still very charming.
>SOCRATES: What of his beard? Are you not of Homer’s opinion, who says ’Youth is most charming when the beard first appears’? And that is now the charm of Alcibiades.

Socrates bros..

>>19580826
Plato was a subversive and a life-hating utopian

>The erotic relation of men to youths was the necessary and sole preparation, to a degree unattainable to our comprehension, of all manly education (pretty much as for a long time all higher education of women was only attainable through love and marriage). All idealism of the strength of the Greek nature threw itself into that relation, and it is probable that never since have young men been treated so attentively, so lovingly, so entirely with a view to their welfare (virtus) as in the fifth and sixth centuries B.C. . . . The higher the light in which this relation was regarded, the lower sank intercourse with woman
—Friedrich Nietzche, Human, All Too Human 259

>>19560505

>I saw inside his cloak and caught fire, and could possess myself no longer; and I thought none was so wise in love-matters as Cydias, who in speaking of a beautiful boy recommends someone to "beware of coming as a fawn before the lion, and being seized as his portion of flesh"; for I too felt I had fallen a prey to some such creature.

>I saw inside his cloak and caught fire, and could possess myself no longer; and I thought none was so wise in love-matters as Cydias, who in speaking of a beautiful boy recommends someone to "beware of coming as a fawn before the lion, and being seized as his portion of flesh"; for I too felt I had fallen a prey to some such creature.

>I saw inside his cloak and caught fire, and could possess myself no longer; and I thought none was so wise in love-matters as Cydias, who in speaking of a beautiful boy recommends someone to "beware of coming as a fawn before the lion, and being seized as his portion of flesh"; for I too felt I had fallen a prey to some such creature.

They learned it from the Greeks

>I saw inside his cloak and caught fire, and could possess myself no longer; and I thought none was so wise in love-matters as Cydias, who in speaking of a beautiful boy recommends someone to "beware of coming as a fawn before the lion, and being seized as his portion of flesh"; for I too felt I had fallen a prey to some such creature.
—Socrates

>I saw inside his cloak and caught fire, and could possess myself no longer; and I thought none was so wise in love-matters as Cydias, who in speaking of a beautiful boy recommends someone to "beware of coming as a fawn before the lion, and being seized as his portion of flesh"; for I too felt I had fallen a prey to some such creature.