/lit/ - Literature

>>22985316
>is the idea of the body without organs that we should reexamine concepts we take for granted and extend the boundaries of them?
that's a persistent theme throughout deleuze's work, but the BwO is something more specific.

keep in mind deleuze's project in anti-oedipus, the book where the BwO is defined, is developing new ways to understand desire.

that means he wants to avoid conventional ideas of desire: desire as lack (i don't have it, therefore i want it), or desire as oedipal or libidinal (i want to have sex, probably with a mother-figure).

the BwO is sort of a theoretical zero-point. before all the "machines" (deleuze's term for any process which produces things) start producing, there must be a blank surface on which they can operate. the BwO is that blank surface. so the original, fundamental desires are those that the BwO itself has, prior to its connection to any machines.

to produce, the BwO has to connect with machines; at this point, it's no longer a body without organs, because the machines are organs. it's just a body. the machines then "record" information on the body, which transform its desires.

deleuze's example of this is a kid playing with a train set. on the freudian account, the train is a penis, the tunnel is a vagina, and the child is simply acting out oedipus. but on deleuze's account, the kid begins as a body without organs, attaches the toy-train-machine to himself out of a positive desire to play, and then comes to desire the function implicit in the designs of the train and tunnel. the kid is no longer expressing a fully organic desire, but a desire shaped by the machines he's plugged himself into.

of course, it's arguable that there's never a body without organs, since the kid is already part of many social machines, including the family machine, school machine, and so on. but the kid must at one point have had a BwO, if only when he was a newborn, and keeping that in mind while analyzing him yields better results than assuming from the start that all his desires boil down to wanting to fuck his mom.

t. currently in an anti-oedipus reading group

>>17852937
Not a book per se, but I found something called Wonderful Cow Teacher Gloria. It's basically the mommy gf meme come to life.

>>12851761
I'm no slave. This image doesn't turn me on. I only want a girlfriend who loves me unconditionally and maternally, forever. Every day I snuggle into her neck and she pets my head and coos to me in a gentle and encouraging voice, making me feel like I've been a good boy that day. At night, we sleep beside eachother with her as the big spoon and my hand held inside her larger one, a mirror of our bodies. She gives me many quick kisses on my neck and cheek while in that position, which help me to calm down and transition into sleep. She's still up after I've fallen asleep, because children fall asleep sooner than adults, and she spends the time slowly rustling my hair, reflecting on how much she loves me, how good of a boy I am for her, and how she wants to protect me forever, until falling asleep herself. In the morning I wake up before her, and, realizing that I've drifted a bit from her over the night's course, immediately realign myself with her skin. My head again against her neck, herself now lying supine. She feels me touch her and wakes up, happy to find her sweet one having found his way back to Mama. We sleep for a bit longer now, this time with the renewed remembrance of our presence beside eachother. Later, we wake up and make blueberry pancakes, her feeding me and I feeding her. If I'm not at work, I'm in her arms. The two of us, spending as many seconds together as we can.

>>12851764
That is so random. What the heck? What relation does any of this have to any of this? Pizza, moms, kissing and fondling? Anyways that's bad and you shouldn't do that. Inc*st will ruin your life if you attempt that for real.

>>12820375
That's so strange, anon...my goodness, I can't even grasp such a complex. Not judging you, but it's very alien to me.

>>12820384
I am entirely submissive and want nothing in romance besides a gentle femdom relationship, like attached. The most wholesome of male-female dynamics, in my view. The essence of boyhood, transported into adulthood. There's nothing degenerate about it, to me. But muh masculinists always tend to think so, being unable to consider the fact that not all men want to lead their lady, but rather desire the opposite.

>>12728468
Are you a medanon? I have ADHD. Can you help me to feel less sad? Because I can't relate to anyone. I'm always incessantly and unfailingly living in my own mind, which I'm always lost in. I have no friends. I can't relate to people. I can't keep up with them in conversation. They are too fast for me. I can't think very quickly. My memory is very poor too. I have to use many notebooks to remember things. I can't ever tell what fay it is. I literally have no internal mental calendar. I have to forcefully tell myself what day it is, and even then, I just can't "cement" it. Today is Saturday, for example. Well, let's just say Friday since we're only a bit past midnight where I am. But I can't "feel" it as Friday. It just feels like any day. I can tell myself over and over that "it's Friday", but it doesn't "do" anything. I've tried to become knowledgeable - to read books and learn about the world. That was my aim. I wanted to become erudite. But I soon realized that I couldn't even keep track of basic facts of history - migrations, cultures, languages, timelines, rulers, economies, and all the rest - it was too much for me. It takes immense, brainracking difficulty for me to even keep a basic grasp of any historical timeline, just like I can't keep track of the week. To remember that I'm in 2018, and before me are many millenia, each of their own culture, is too hard. Also I can't remember geography even slightly. I've tried so hard to remember the all the regions and their names, but I soon forget them quire easily. I can't even tell you the names of my country's regions. All of my mental incompetency has brought me to a legitimate state of "learned helplessness", wherein I no longer want to learn anything, to even "try" at anything in life, I only want to lobotimize myself as much as I can, working in an occupation that allows me to be as mindless as people, never having to exercise mental capacities more than the slightest amount. My psyche has also regressed to a child-state, and I wish to have a Mommy GF who'll love me unconditionally in spite of my cognitive failings, and take care of me where I fail to take care of myself, and to read me bedtime stories every night just before she lets me fall asleep against her, and kisses me on my cheeks every day, and hugs me really tight and for really long, and lets me know in those moments that all my problems are okay, that I'll be okay, that nothing will hurt me further, that I'll not have to worry now that she's here...yep, I'm tearing up now. Writing this out was pretty cathartic, that last part especially. I just really don't know how to deal with my condition and was wondering if you could help me, since it seems you know a thing or two about ADHD. Many people don't even think ADHD is real, and that I'm just faking my own problems. I only wish they could live as me for a day...

>>12683118
Is this real bros? Do such girls rly exist?

>>12504906
Absolutely this. Every man, deep in his heart, would feel so fulfilled submitting himself to the throne that is his Woman. Oh, and to be able to be playful, and cute, and smol towards them, would be the heaven that all men, who are deep down still little boys inside, yearn to embody above all else. To be able to be a boy around your Woman, and have Her still love you equally or even more so, what else would a man need? He could die happily, there in Her arms, complete and at peace.

>>12415815
Oh my gosh, I don't mean to trouble you but would you mind explaining yourself further? Such as why you desire to, whether you know others who do too, and whether you consider there to be anything wrong with me for wanting a Mommy GF? I don't know if you're really a woman, and I imagine girls mostly don't use 4chan, but I'll trust you here and hopefully you aren't just pranking me. Is the image I've attached okay for a man to desire, from your female perspective?

If there're any details about yourself you can share, regarding life circumstances that may have driven you to liking this, whether you think that women are societally indoctrinated to desire dominance but many of them actually wish to be dominant themselves, and anything else a Mommyanon like me would benefit from knowing, I'd appreciate it so much. It's my only real desire in life - to be loved by and love back a Mommy GF. Yet I see almost nothing anywhere either in real-life or online (save for manga and similar, niche outlets, not even ordinary literature) that corresponds to this ultimate dream of mine.

>>12413218
i could have summed this by saying that while many men like the submissive femininity, wherein she calls him "daddy", i like the dominant femininity wherein i call her "mommy"

>>12406992
You're right, anonfren. :( I'm just bored and broken within, wasting my days expressing my internal, unexperienced fantasies to strangers who I'll never meet. It's a way of indulging what I want, without making any plans of obtaining it. You're right anon - I need to stop. But if you knew how miserable my romantic life has been, and how sour it all went right from the age of 14 onwards, wherein I've never had a single crush since, and the one I did have one for back then has still left her imprint on me, her being the one who first initiated the mommy-son roleplay, which, either sparking it or more likely surfacing something I already had within me, has left me to continue wandering through life's winds in search of the same relationship again. Though, we were never dating, and she never even liked me like that, she merely found me adorable and initiated the dynamic based on that alone. I haven't had so much as a crush since, anon. Not a single girl has caught my affections. But yeah, it's okay, anon. If you can give me advice I'll listen, but I'll also stop these posts now. You're right that I've become pathological, and it's not doing me any good now. I should just move on with my miserable life. I'm just a stupid, broken boy, who will never see his fantasies come to be.

>>12402201
Gosh, I just love Women so much. Are there any other anons here who feel the same? Who just love Women so deeply, desiring nothing more than to be submissive to a loving, maternal one who you are everyday cared for by, and return the affection for? C: