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So I just read The first Dune and Dune: Messiah books and I'm not sure on how to feel about the series.

While I love Herbert, his writing and his wacky ideas. and can see how many other author's were inspired by his works (including Bakker which quite literally blatantly copied way more than he should), why is Paul such an insufferable Gary Sue?

>>21774205
>2017 was six years ago

Bakker Update?

>>20977742

>>20890613
Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>20468454
Can't we just bond over a shared love of rape, incest, and gender bending?

Truth Shines and praise the Pancreator!

>>19892891
>>19892910
My two cents:
Kellhus planned his own death.
Kellhus was looking for the No-God and had two main missions: Deliver the No-God to Golgotterath and discover the plans of his Dunyain brothers. Only then could he unlock the last piece of the thousand fold thought puzzle before dying and embarking on his conquest of the Outside.
Kellhus knew who the white warriors were, because of Ajokli, but he had no way of knowing who the No-God was. Which was why he waited patiently for the No-God to manifest himself
I find it way too convenient for Kellhus to go to such strains just to Rescue Esmenet. I do not believe he truly cares for her (Bakker himself confirmed this in a previous Q&A). Why didn't he bring them along and leave The Empire to Maithanet is also beyond me. Kellhus did know more than we were led to believe, that much is for sure.
We have strong reasons to believe that Ajokli might have been able to be aware of the No-God due to its Nature(God of deciet) and his pact with Kellhus, or at the very least been able to see a future beyond the hypothetical demise of Kellhus, hence the reason why Kellhus went back to Momemn.
The real world is both inconsequential and essential to conquer the Absolute. Inconsequential since the real war has to be fought on the Outside, and Essential because in order to weaken the Ciphrang, Kellhus needs Kelmomas to rain destruction upon the world.
f I recall correctly, Aurang was reflecting on the prophecy of the No-God's return shortly before Kellhus killed him.

I think that we are being incredibly naive to assume that Kellhus lost control at any point, especially considering that we know very little of what happened during the 20 year time skip, although we can safely assume that some massive events (As evident by his alliance with Ajokli) took place.

>No Bakker discussion?
>Not on my watch.

So, Titirga was not only a master of the Gnosis, but also a Water bearer.

This fucking series.

>>19517910
Let me dream for 2 weeks please

What if Mimara and Kelmomas are both invisible to the Gods?

>The preposterous idea was to write the only kind of scripture that could be written at the end of civilization, so one of the things I did was invert the biblical emphasis on belief and fidelity--thus the textual emphasis on ignorance, doubt, and folly.

>When I was fourteen I stumbled upon the problem of free will all by my lonesome, and it fucked me up large. The original idea, that of a prophet rallying humanity to overcome the No-God, grew out of the combination of that dark epiphany and my passion for epic SF&F. My old AD&D crew actually set out on a quest to destroy the Consult and the No-God!

>In university a few years afterward, I read Dennett and Hofstadter on memes, and the idea of turning my prophet into a 'meme master' struck me as a lightning bolt. The Dunyain were born. While studying modernism, I realized that fantasy actually provided the perfect literary vehicle. Where the modernist paradigm always features a protagonist struggling to find meaning in a meaningless world (typically through some form of love), I realized I was writing a photographic negative of that, the story of a meaningless character struggling in a meaningful world.

>These books are 'about' many things, but the overarching theme is the death of meaning. The crash site of the Ark echoes our 'crash space,' the way all the stone age tools we evolved to make sense of our lives and our time belong to an ancestral ecology that is in the process of collapsing before our very eyes. The preposterous idea was to write the only kind of scripture that could be written at the end of civilization, so one of the things I did was invert the biblical emphasis on belief and fidelity--thus the textual emphasis on ignorance, doubt, and folly.

>When I was fourteen I stumbled upon the problem of free will all by my lonesome, and it fucked me up large. The original idea, that of a prophet rallying humanity to overcome the No-God, grew out of the combination of that dark epiphany and my passion for epic SF&F. My old AD&D crew actually set out on a quest to destroy the Consult and the No-God!

>In university a few years afterward, I read Dennett and Hofstadter on memes, and the idea of turning my prophet into a 'meme master' struck me as a lightning bolt. The Dunyain were born. While studying modernism, I realized that fantasy actually provided the perfect literary vehicle. Where the modernist paradigm always features a protagonist struggling to find meaning in a meaningless world (typically through some form of love), I realized I was writing a photographic negative of that, the story of a meaningless character struggling in a meaningful world.

>These books are 'about' many things, but the overarching theme is the death of meaning. The crash site of the Ark echoes our 'crash space,' the way all the stone age tools we evolved to make sense of our lives and our time belong to an ancestral ecology that is in the process of collapsing before our very eyes.

>The preposterous idea was to write the only kind of scripture that could be written at the end of civilization, so one of the things I did was invert the biblical emphasis on belief and fidelity--thus the textual emphasis on ignorance, doubt, and folly.

>When I was fourteen I stumbled upon the problem of free will all by my lonesome, and it fucked me up large. The original idea, that of a prophet rallying humanity to overcome the No-God, grew out of the combination of that dark epiphany and my passion for epic SF&F. My old AD&D crew actually set out on a quest to destroy the Consult and the No-God!

>male fragility: the author

>>17601725
No, fuck that.

When are you going to write an update on your blog?

>hmm, wait.. what if Kellhus like.. teleports behind him and chops his head off.. man this is gonna be awesome.

>haha "Curse Likaro", never get old, those guys are gonna love this.

Inriltas starts choking Maith.. ok what would happen next...

!1

I've got it. Haha, Inriltas you little fool, Maithanet may be a half caste but he's half DUNYAIN, he's got a KNIFE tucked away in his sleeve, you were walking on conditioned ground the whole time. then.. WHAM, soft , what a line!.

Yup still got it.

All of this is based

Is it ever explained why Kehllus didn't take Atrithau for the Ordeal?

Also, why didn't they simplytake a fleet to Golgotterath?

Sorcerers of madness
Selling me their time
Child of God sitting in the sun
Keeping peace of mind
Fictional seduction
On a black snow sky
Sadness kills the superman
Even fathers cry


he totally included the glossary to bait people into thinking K wasn't gonna die, bro i got 30% of the book left!

Is there any good Nonmen art?

Coming up on one entire year since anyone on the internet has heard a single peep out of Bakker.

WHERE IS HE????!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS HIS PROBLEM????!!!! We need to send a Canadian anon on a special mission to find the Restored Barn of London to pay our Holy-Author a little wellness check.

>I see that you are a student. Knowledge is power, eh?

>>17208783
>>17209240
>Bakker dead from covid/an hero
>And/or Bakker being a little bitch about muh contract, muh publisher
>Workmanlike, blue collar, non-complaining Hero-Author Sanderson steps in to finish the series, finishes it in three months
>Gives it an inspiring and positive happy ending
I'm thinking based

>>17209495
>yes.

> Nau-Cayûti’s eyes gleamed like bared teeth in the gloom. This, Seswatha knew, was the look that had sealed the final heartbeat of so very many—Man and Sranc alike.