/lit/ - Literature

>>23129578
Wagner came before him.

>The Lord of the Rings is full of a kind of degenerate version of the Wagnerian approach to things. But Wagner is the real artist, and Tolkien a kind of second-rate populariser.

>The emotions that are stirred by the cinematic realization of Tolkien’s rambling story are a faint echo of what would be felt, were The Ring to be performed as Wagner intended, with every single stage direction realistically obeyed. This would be the film to end all films, the Götterdämmerung of our modern era, in which Wagner’s moral would be apparent even to the unmusical. And almost certainly it would be banned.

>The emotions that are stirred by the cinematic realization of Tolkien’s rambling story are a faint echo of what would be felt, were The Ring to be performed as Wagner intended, with every single stage direction realistically obeyed. This would be the film to end all films, the Götterdämmerung of our modern era, in which Wagner’s moral would be apparent even to the unmusical. And almost certainly it would be banned.

>The Lord of the Rings is full of a kind of degenerate version of the Wagnerian approach to things. But Wagner is the real artist, and Tolkien a kind of second-rate populariser.

>>22268419
Why do people talk about this childish derivement of the Ring Cycle as if it says anything about modernity Wagner didn't already say? Sauron didn't win, Alberich won.

Grow up.

Wagner is the patrician Tolkien.

>>21554609
>>Age
30

>>University
I did not finish high school

>>Major
N/A

>>GPA
Unsure, I'd imagine slightly above average. Born and raised in Europe.

>>IQ
Maybe above average, if I had to guess 105 to 110. Almost a standard deviation above the mean.

>>Height
6'0"

>>Occupation
Mechanic, but now being trained as an Apprentice Machinist.

>>Favorite book
Elric Saga or One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.

>>Content with life (y/n)
Absolutely, yes.

>>21521275
Wagner and Baudelaire did more so for literature.

>Three great artists prepared the way for modernism – Baudelaire, Manet and Wagner. And all three haunt the work of T.S. Eliot, the greatest modernist writer in English, and the one who has inspired the thoughts contained in this book. To begin with Wagner is not to begin the story of modernism at the beginning. But it is to gain insight into the mission bequeathed by the Enlightenment to art. The operas of Wagner attempt to dignify the human being in something like the way that he might be dignified by an uncorrupted common culture. Acutely conscious of the death of God, Wagner proposed man as his own redeemer and art as the transfiguring rite of passage to a higher world. The suggestion was visionary, and its impact on modern culture so great that the shock waves are still overtaking us. Modern high culture is as much a set of footnotes to Wagner as Western philosophy is, in Whitehead’s judgement, footnotes to Plato.

>Wagner was in conscious reaction against the sentimentality and lassitude of official art. Like Baudelaire (whose admiring letter to the composer after the Parisian performance of Tannhauser displays a self-conscious affinity) he saw that the ideal had fled from the world into the citadel of the imagination. Unlike Baudelaire, however, he believed that the ideal could be tempted back, so as to dwell among us (though at considerable public expense). He therefore tried to create a new musical public, one that would not merely see the point of the heroic ideal, but also adopt it.
t. Roger Scruton

>>21498241
Don't recommend it, make a clean break now. That way nobody is able to betray the other. Perhaps in the future you may reunite.

>>21465900
>Do you believe white Europeans are good? If so, why? On a historical basis of maintaining healthy societies? Which again goes back to the term "good."

I believe they should be preserved and allowed to take actions to ensure they remain the overwhelming majority in their native lands. As all native people should. I can't quantify what you think is good or bad, that is subjective and useless here.

>>21458904
LOTR is on the same level as Star Wars and Marvel movies. The people who say it’s on the level of the Illiad are just insecure they like a book on the level of Harry Potter

>The Lord of the Rings is full of a kind of degenerate version of the Wagnerian approach to things. But Wagner is the real artist, and Tolkien a kind of second-rate populariser.

>>21458674
Anglo hack who stole everything from much better writers and permanently destroyed the fantasy genre

>The Lord of the Rings is full of a kind of degenerate version of the Wagnerian approach to things. But Wagner is the real artist, and Tolkien a kind of second-rate populariser.

>>21324421

>>21320586
He's gone off script, he does not know what to say. You will need to wait for his handlers to give him the information, note that he can not post memes than encourage or depict extremist positions as this could undermine what they are trying to do. If it was revealed they were spreading extremist content they could not get a single conviction.

Would /lit/ agree with Scruton here?

>There is no work of philosophy that delves so deeply into the paradoxes of erotic love as Tristan and Isolde, no work of Christian theology that matches Wagner's exploration of the Eucharist in Parsifal, and no work of political theory that uncovers the place of power and law in the human psyche with the perceptiveness of The Ring.

From his article "Wagner and German Idealism".

>>21266523
The best artists were European Men, those who commissioned it where Christians. Objective beauty existed before Christ and the advent of the Judaeo-Christian religion. All of which stole their aesthetic appreciation and understanding of beauty from Rome, who in turn stole it from Greece.

>>21231422
Because the jew want golems, not educated competition for resources.

>>20976410
>The number of people who ask me why we don't have an independence day

>>20719514
Not at all a coordinated attempt to discredit a popular voice for young people to listen to. And then influence what promises to be a very disastrous midterm election for the Democrats.

Who do I read after Scruton? Is there anyone? He seems to have been unique for our times.

This is the guy

>>20516491
>Cognitive processes are constitutive of the necessary background operation which regularize our conscious activity.

What is it you are trying to say here? It is vague enough to be utterly unassailable and yet stupid enough to invoke ridicule.

Is it that consciousness is part of the normal high brain function that allow us to observe our conscious activity?

That our consciousness is low level function that allows us to act with agency and thought in the physical world and allows us to realize it?

That the brain chemistry that shares routines with consciousness that allows us to exhibit some reasoned control over our thoughts and actions?

>book about modernism
>it barely discusses Wagner

All other forms of media can be consumed passively, reading can not therefore it is impossible to decide which one is closest to it as they are equally removed from it.

>>20447279
>Competition is the reason why they can make money in the first place

I don't care about money, I want to continue growing food, rearing animals and have more children. The current paradigm now precludes us from doing that and any connection to land, people and blood. They want us as a consumerist battery, once spent we are replaced. Your worldview is as poisonous to me as the food you get delivered to your door.

>>20438120
You glow, sir. It is tiring watching you destroy conversations.