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isn't the same with marxism though? their gamble was that if you take the means of production from the "owner" class, and give it to the producer alienated class, you won't get the capitalist dynamics again, which is kind of bullshit, the previous workers either really "own" the means of production and become a new "owner" class which will sooner or later explode into capitalist dynamics again, or they don't really "own" anything and a totalitarian regime has to be kept in place to squash market dynamics as soon as they arise again

the communists always play this weird game, were the proletariat is the proletariat because of their systemic position, but they keep calling it proletariat once that system disappears, which makes no sense because their whole definition as proles came from their position in the system

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