/lit/ - Literature

Bringing children into this world full of misery, suffering and uncertainty is morally wrong.
And there's absolutely no rational argument as to why we should have children.

>grug has penis
>grug makes child
>grug suffers and dies
>grug's child suffers and dies

What's the logic behind this?

>>21807399

>"It is curious that while good people go to great lengths to spare their children from suffering, few of them seem to notice that the one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent suffering of their children is to not bring those children into existence in the first place"

He has a point, you know.

Refute it

>>21484069

>Better No Longer to Be

>"David Benatar argues that coming into existence is always a harm, and that – for all of us unfortunate enough to have come into existence – it would be better had we never come to be. We contend that if one accepts Benatar’s arguments for the asymmetry between the presence and absence of pleasure and pain, and the poor quality of life, one must also accept that suicide is preferable to continued existence, and that his view therefore implies both anti-natalism and pro-mortalism."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276888517_Better_No_Longer_to_Be

Are they right bros?

Is this book right? Is nonbeing better than being?

>>19931819
This. It's also the most stupid book I ever read, so it really feels like the author just doesn't care.

I'm unable to accept that this is the conclusion of all philosophical thought. I'm yet to find a single refutation or flaw.

Is it really over, /lit/?

used to see this memed here quite frequently. is it worth reading?

>the absence of pleasure is neutral
Ok, makes sense

>but the absence of pain is good
>why?
>well, it just IS
How is the absence of something bad not just neutral? Completely incoherent

Even if we play Devil's Advocate and assume hedonism to be objectively true, it's still complete fucking nonsense

The only reason this pseud is taken seriously is because he offers a convenient cop-out for antinatalists when they're confronted with the problem that negative utilitarianism inherently justifies murder

>uhhhh akshully pleasure is good but it's just that the absence of it is neutral while the absence of pain is good so it's not okay to give birth but it's also not okay to kill

>>19052574
>I have a one month old son
I'm sorry, what? Did you forget about picrel or are you just malevolent?

I have gazed upon the dreadful dark ocean, i have witnessed the omnimalevolent foundational essence of being, i am aching and sore and dizzy and desperate asking this and i can barely breathe, i am drowned in absolute horror, the horror is infinite and all-containing and i am a tiny insignificant being attempting to swim within the horror, i can't even begin to describe my deepest nightmares

I fear, it cakes my mind i can't cope anymore, i know that i am perhaps above average in nociceptive suffering resistance but oh no please the abyssal depths of it are too consuming it is a thousand tentacled beast that no man can face the torture the pain the laceration that the human mind can fall to, i may invoke the thing's spite because it surely must observe electrical interactions in this interface, i am not prepared yet for many of these terrors i am anticipating that an unfortunate happening will dilacerate my body and the agony will bring me to the claws of evil and agony, the absurdity of such random unpreventable accidents makes the thing's power all subjugating and demoralizing

The Boundless Darkness, the omnimalevolent Source-Essence of this tainted Reality, which has birthed a smorgasborg of blood, an endless sea of chaos and suffering, that is the organic existence of countless DNA-information-machines; and entrapped me through moralistic conscience in this perhaps illusory world, with the LIKELY futile moral obligation of eliminating all beings cursed with pseudo-qualia, and the surely necessary destruction of the Reality itself, for malevolence will not so easily allow us the relief of death

The geniuses such as Buddha and Michelstaedter awakened to the Eye of the Dark One but they must go one step further, no we not ough just to not have children we ought to destroy this disgusting world, we must escape our chains from the eldritch source, the all-hating singularity of organic evolution, chaos and devouring of the weak, i seek only the geniuses brave enough to confront this terrible truth and bring the ultimate moral good: To Drag ALL into the void!

The conditioned and the manifestation are putrid blasphemies full of pain, a stinking mire. It is necessary to destroy everything and return to the unconditioned and to the peace of the unmanifested.

Thoughts?

Is he right?

So I've got a friend who's the happiest, most optimistic person I know. Sometimes we talk about the world, politics, and history, and he obviously has a much brighter view of it all than I do. I told him I could give him some books to read to better understand a pessimistic view of the world. I've currently got him reading pic related and he says it's kind of scary so far, he's never thought about these things before. What other books can I give him to crush his joy and doom him to be forever miserable like me?

ITT: Filthy Continentals who play at being Analytics.

Is Benatar right?

Check this out when you realize life is overrated anyway.