/lit/ - Literature

>>23366259
Both at the same time.

>>21835556
Don't bother with this faggot. Spengler made it sound like he was breaking ground, when really he was just ripping off Vico like every other German philosopher who had some big theory of human history

>>21739911
I who think am mind and body. If thought were the cause of my being, thought would be the cause of the body. Yet there are bodies that do not think. Rather, it is because I consist both of body and mind that I think; so that body and mind united are the cause of thought. For if I were only body, I would not think. If I were only mind, I would have pure intelligence (God). In fact, thinking is the sign, and not the cause, of my being.

>>21591090
Take the Vico pill. History is in fact the only thing man can fully understand because it's made by his hand alone. The representation of history is based on consensus which can tell us a lot already. You seem to want an objective and scientific account of history which wasn't Spengler's goal at all. He specifically states I think in the introduction something like "this account of history is valid for me".

Why are righties suddenly discussing this guy?

What's the QRD?

Just read Giambattista Vico's "New Science", and ignore all the biblical literalism (or don't). It's the same thing.

>>17239921
Hume was predicted by Giambattista Vico 100 years before.
And you can't deny he was mentally ill.

Put Vico and Filmer in too.

>>16196438
Marcus Aurelius was of iberian stock, almost all the Antonine dynasty was very tied with Hispania (sans Antoninus Pius)

Epictetus was a greek slave.

For OP: Giambattista Vico was definitely a first-class thinker, his historiographic conception of "corse e ricorsi" anticipated the idea of archetypes and a Fibonacci-esque spiral for history (that is, Hegelian dialectics) - and there is a considerable allusion to something akin to Foucault's Epistemes.
All this during the Spanish hegemony over S. Italy.

Giordano Bruno had some really impressive (and impressively heretical) thoughts, but I fear that falls more on the perimetre of theology.

Leopardi was an ultra-nihilist that almost exclusively poetically expressed his Bernardo Soares tier dread.

Macchiavelli is genuinely great, I particularly like his Letter to Vettori.

I know little of Beccaria other than the rudimentary: his influence on criminal studies and punishment. Foucault shivers at the name..

And, if you give some leniency, Thomas of Aquinas is practically the suma of the mediaeval thought - one extremely rich and underrated.

All this being said, of what little I know of italian philosophy I also find lacking - in volume, not merit - compared to what one would rightfully expect of the Italians. I feel that even my own country, Spain, has produced more in this field.

>>16145107
I've read about half of Revolt Against the Modern World, but I stopped because I disagree with its approach. I think it's disingenuous to begin with an idealized vision of society and then judge all historical societies by this standard. I mean where does this Truth (Realm of Being as Evola calls it) even come from? It's a weird sort of atheistic religion where there is no divine power but there is a central belief in a metaphysical Truth.

I also find a lot of far-right criticism of modernity to be woefully short sighted and based on emotionalism and sentimentalism because they idealize a certain past that never really existed and judge the present by the standard of this idealized past. Warrior priest mysticism or whatever might have been a realistic dynamic in the 10th century but not in the present day. Feminism is a particular area of this, which is condemned by the far right mystics as degenerate, but actually has cultural-historical roots that go far deeper than the 20th century.

"Riding the tiger" idealizes the past rather than trying to solve the very real issues of the present in the real world and figuring out what the future will be.

Has anyone read it? I heard that Hegel got many of his ideas from it, or at the very least was influenced by it to a significant degree.

Has anyone read vico? Redpill me on him. His btfo Descartes sounds interesting

>>14416376
You should read some philosophy of philology. Language likely started as single word imitations of natural sounds, like the crack of lightning or the whistle of wind. Words themselves must have begun as opposites, because it's a lot more complicated to say "not hot" than "cold". It was only much later that full sentences stringing words together were formed. The first men of a new civilization (forming new national groups and by extension new languages) always write in verse, in the form of epic poetry, while complex prose comes much later. That is why there is a huge decline in prose during the Dark Ages but a lot of poetry, when the Roman civilization came to an end and modern Western civilization was beginning. It was the same in Homer's time. Language is a stratum, not biological, when you subtract culture, language goes with it.

>>14348385
"He who is not pious cannot truly be wise."

>thus in the midst of their greatest festivities, though physically thronging together, they live like wild beasts in deep solitude of spirit and will, scarcely any two able to agree since each follows his own pleasure or caprice.

Never has man been so equal and so free, and yet never has man been so isolated and pleasure-seeking. Can’t wait for the return to the end of our barbarism of reflection

Is he relevant in the 21rd century?

It just confirms that everything he said is true,

>>11465526
duty means "ought to", not "have to" in a legal sense: spiritual, moral, virtuous, cultural, stigma, self-contempt, your own happiness and prosperity.

The more virtuous a society is, the more prosperous it is (such as trust, and that which causes trust to occur) = the more virtuous you are, the more prosperous you are, the happier you are. By people's own definitions.

Any anons here who studied literature or philosophy in college/uni and dropped out? What was it like, do you regret it?

Thinking of doing it myself but im not certain

>t. a rock floating in space

imagination > ratio

"Women are crudely materialistic and possess wild, child-like imaginations."

-Vico