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How do Buddhists cope with the fact that the three major schools of Indian Buddhism have all been shown by various thinkers to have completely illogical ideas which fail to stand up to critical scrutiny?. In this picture for example are ironclad refutations of the ideas and claims of Madhyamaka, Yogachara and the proto-Theravada Sarvastivada (Theravada doesn't differ from Sarvastivada enough to save it from the same pitfalls) which explain how they are untenable and logically unfeasible.

It really makes one wonder whether or not the actual teachings of Buddha have been completely lost or misinterpreted and whether all the schools of Buddhism are merely failed attempts at reconstructing a coherent system based on texts whose actual meaning have long ago been forgotten, of course this presumes though that Buddhism was actually logical and coherent to begin with, the original may have been as incoherent as the later schools but we can never know this.

There are a few responses one could make in an attempt to save face, but these all have serious holes in them as well. For example one could say "all of Indian Buddhism got it wrong and only later east-Asian Mahayana/Vajrayana" got it right, but the problem with this is that these later non-Indian Buddhism schools are heavily based on the Indian, with everything from Dzogchen to Zen drawing heavily from the very same Yogachara and Madhyamaka whose ideas are shown to be logically inconsistent and untenable in pic related, not to mention these later Buddhisms show a heavy non-Buddhist influence such as Taoism influencing Zen/Chan and Shaivism influencing Tibetian Buddhism.

The other way that someone could try to save face would be to say that "all later Buddhism is wrong and Theravada is right but they just made an error in adopting the doctrine of momentariness which was not taught by Buddha". It is true that if one subtracts momentariness then Theravada becomes less illogical but there are still many unanswered questions about it and things which remain illogical as pic related shows. This approach makes the additional error crop up that if such a blatantly wrong theory could remain an official teaching of Theravada for so long, then how could Theravadin monks not realize this and change it if practicing Buddhism is supposed to make one enlightened and produce true insight into the nature of things? That momentariness has been official Theravada doctrine for over a millennia and still is suggests that nobody practicing Theravada has actually ever become enlightened or they would have realized that momentariness is wrong and removed it from official Theravada teachings.

Thoughts?

>>14723268
>Buddhism
OH NO NO NO NO NO
all the three major schools of Indian buddhism, i.e. the Yogachara, Madhyamaka and the proto-Theravada Sarvastivada have all been refuted for having incoherent ideas and inconsistent/flawed logic, pic related. The great Śaṅkarācārya summarized the nonsensical nature of Buddhism in a timeless passage in one of his works that still rings true today

>"From whatever new points of view the Buddha's system is tested with reference to its probability, it gives way on all sides, like the walls of a well, dug in sandy soil. It has, in fact, no foundation whatever to rest upon and hence the attempts to use it as a guide in the practical concerns of life are mere folly. Moreover Buddha, by propounding the three mutually contradicting systems, teaching respectively the reality of the external world, the reality of ideas only and general nothingness, has himself made it clear that he was a man given to make incoherent assertions or else that hatred of all beings induced him to propound absurd doctrines by accepting which they would become thoroughly confused…Buddha’s doctrine has to be entirely disregarded by all those who have a regard for their own happiness."

- Brahma Sutra Bhasya 2.2.32.

>>14717322
Every major school of Indian Buddhism have all been refuted as having logically incoherent ideas (pic related), Buddhism is a false doctrine

>>14698327
>Nagarjuna
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

I'm at work at the moment because I'm not a NEET with autismbux and so I cannot type out a 6 page response on my Iphone when Im expected to be working but when I get home in 4ish hours I'm going to retroactively refute all of that and make a post linking to it in this thread when I do.

>>14679478
Madhyamaka was retroactively refuted, see the right side of this picture for an excerpt from an article by a professor of Buddhism who showed that Nagarjuna uses inconsistent logic and contradicts himself in the MMK, and who showed that Nagarjuna completely failed at proving the contradiction of other schools ideas in the MMK. If you want to believe in sunyata for religious reasons you are free to make that choice but there is absolutely no logical or epistemological basis for it and Madhyamaka is full of contradictions and unanswered questions.

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>>14666395
>Buddhism
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

How do you guys cope with the fact that Theravada, Yogachara and Madhyamaka have all been retroactively refuted and debunked? It seems like no matter how hard people try they were unable to come up with a school of Buddhism whose ideas withstand critical scrutiny. The absolute state of Buddhafags

>>14663797
>they "btfo" buddhism
are you trying to say that Buddhism wasn't btfo? lol goodluck with that, just about every major Indian school of it has been refuted

>>14637288
>caring about Buddhism