/lit/ - Literature

>>18021208
You're a scatterbrain just like Hitchens. Here's plenty of answers for you on the metaphysical side. Craig himself has a book on the resurrection which should bridge the gap nicely.

>>17930032
>That remains a matter of faith

Faith: "complete trust or confidence in someone or something"

Sort of like how I have faith the sun will rise tomorrow, or that I will have air to breathe later today.

>>17924683
>I don't get the appeal outside of blind faith or the lack of a institutialized alternative
The appeal would be a reasonable faith (for example pic related). I don't believe society or its institutions have any bearing on reality, therefore they have no bearing on my appeal, which is aligned only to truth alone, and not what suits my comforts.

>>17924697
>I don't believe in God and I doubt I will come to believe in God again.
Why?

>Since I don't believe in the eternal, temporal victory is all I'm concerned about.
If you do not believe in eternal order that exists outside of our own imagination - meaning it actually exists - then you wouldn't believe the amount of absurdities that arise. For instance, degeneracy isn't real, your words are meaningless, and you're wasting your time and effort on what must be an illusion. Basically, you're worked up over nothing.

Here's Aristotle's Metaphysics in which this is all explained:

http://artflsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/perseus/citequery3.pl?dbname=GreekDec20&query=Arist.%20Metaph.&getid=1

I am reading the Joe Sachs translation personally, but I use this one to help sometimes. Basically this one comes from the Roman, whereas Sachs is Greek right to English, literal translation.

Getting off now I will check this thread in the morning.

>life is pointless otherwise
As in, you're not actually thinking, your words mean nothing, and you are nothing. That is the reality for materialists.

>>17649543
>can someone explain to me why people believe in god?
Edward Feser can in pic related if you actually want to hear a very strong case instead of some low tier post from a low tier person. It really isn't mysterious, its all right there in plain English.

>>17546662
>prove me wrong
You are wrong because the relationship is not one of abuse on the part of God. The abuse comes from us, because we are given the opportunity to do either good or evil, the former is choosing God and the latter choosing our own (fallen) will. It is quite clear that we have vicious desires and we truly ought to avoid them for reasons separate from revelation. (Proof: the Greeks.) If we do the will of God we end up in the best possible state and we fulfill the purpose of our creation. You do not like the will of God, same as all badly oriented beings. Bad hates good. A better simile would be that of a drug addict and a loving family that offers their hand in assistance. Christians are not upset at other religions generally, they just rightfully state that they are not the fullness of truth. So much for your extremely poorly constructed and sourced from ignorance simile.

>prove God's existence
Why would you ask me when you have access to people like 5000x smarter than me who make a case 5000x better than mine? That leads me to question your motives. Ultimately I believe it is an individual relationship you have to progress into in order to remove scrupulous doubt as opposed to a mathematical proof, but if you read the book in pic related it seems like more than enough proof to begin that journey. Inb4 "NO YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT HERE".

>>17539511
1. Let us define God as “something that exists”.
C. Therefore it follows that God must exist, as a non-existing God is a self-contradiction.

There you go bro that should clear it up. I am using the same logic as you still.

Seriously, just read.

https://www.amazon.com/Five-Proofs-Existence-Edward-Feser/dp/1621641333/ref=sr_1_1?crid=P77LOJBUGOOQ&dchild=1&keywords=feser+5+proofs&qid=1613266743&sprefix=feser%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-1

I believe in God.
Why should I be a Christian doe?

Help me out please.