/lit/ - Literature

>noo stop calling out corruption you're ruining muh based evropa!!
PROTESTANT THEOLOGY/LITERATURE THREAD GET IN HERE

>>15645652

Do you actually read through dense 500-800 page works of philosophy?

I've read a few but they take me months to finish

>>14929686
While i respect Thomas Aquinas, he was a catholic and therefore is wrong. All abortionists should be hung from a tree.

>Has a think on the absolute state of the 16th century Catholic Church

>>13410178
>But Kant himself is Catholic,

Where can I get a modern English translation of the Wycliffe Bibel?

>>12565882
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and a little later. . .


"Therefore I should stick to the catechism; then I can defend myself against reason when the Anabaptists say, 'Baptism is water; how can water do such great things? Pigs and cows drink it. The Spirit must do it.” Don’t you hear, you mangy, leprous whore, you holy reason, what the Scripture says, 'Listen to him,' who says, 'Go and baptize all nations', and 'He who believes and is baptized [will be saved']? It is not merely water, but baptism given in the name of the holy Trinity.

Therefore, see to it that you hold reason in check and do not follow her beautiful cogitations. Throw dirt in her face and make her ugly. Don’t you remember the mystery of the holy Trinity and the blood of Jesus Christ with which you have been washed of your sins? Again, concerning the sacrament, the fanatical antisacramentalists say, 'What’s the use of bread and wine' How can God the Almighty give his body in bread?' I wish they had to eat their own dirt. They are so smart that nobody can fool them. If you had one in a mortar and crushed him with seven pestles his foolishness still would not depart from him. Reason is and should be drowned in baptism, and this foolish wisdom will not harm you, if you hear the beloved Son of God saying, 'Take, eat; this is my body, which is given for you; this bread which is administered to you, I say, is my body.' If I hear and accept this, then I trample reason and its wisdom under foot and say, 'You cursed whore, shut up! Are you trying to seduce me into committing fornication with the devil?' That’s the way reason is purged and made free through the Word of the Son of God" - LW 51:376-377

tl;dr, Luther was saying the so-call "reason" of the anabaptists and Zwinglians rejects what (he believes) is divinely revealed in scripture, not reason in and of itself, or for every day life, or for even interpreting scripture necessarily.

>>12544359

Brother, here's a few recommendations.

Luther:

For background into the reformation and what caused Lutheranism to emerge:

Here I Stand, by Roland Bainton

Three Treatises, by Martin Luther, published by Fortress Press. ISBN 9780800616397

Treatise on Good Works: Luther Study Edition

Common Places: Loci Communes, by Phillip Melanchthon.

While Luther wrote numerous volumes, the core of his theology can be found in two works, his "Servo De Arbitrio," or "The Enslaved Will." and the Lutheran Catechism. Luther considered these to be the core of his theology and the only works which he consistently endorsed over time. When asked once how he felt about having his writings collected into a series he replied, "Regarding [the plan] to collect my writings in volumes, I am quite cool and not at all eager about it because, roused by a Saturnian hunger, I would rather see them all devoured. For I acknowledge none of them to be really a book of mine, except perhaps the one On the Bound Will and the Catechism." For useful editions of Servo, see:


The Bondage of Will, by Martin Luther, translated by J.I. Packer, or even better, either . . .
. . Luther and Erasmus: Free Will and Salvation, translated and edited by Rupp and Watson. ISBN 9780664241582 or Luther and Erasmus: Battle of Free Will, translated/edited by Macardle and Tracy, for an abridged but easier to access edition. Each of these will at least let you see Erasmus' argument in detail in addition to Luther's rebuttal.

The Book of Concord, published by Concordia Publishing House for a set of the Lutheran Confessions over time.

Important works to refer to for influences on Luther, Melanchthon, and others:

Obviously the Bible, but particularly the epistles of St. Paul
Anything by St. Augustine
Of the other church fathers, probably St. Athanasius, Basil, and St. Ambrose.
Johann Staupitz (Luther's mentor in the Augustinian order)

It's useful to read parallel and early spin-off movements from Lutherans too. The Reformed Churches in Geneva in particular are the most influenced and similar to Lutheranism, though they had doctrinal disagreements that prevented a union.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, by John Calvin. Get ISBN 1848714637 by Banner of Truth for a translation of the French 1541 edition which much more accessible for first-timers.

Truth for All Time, by John Calvin

For Philosophy, Luther said he was more influenced by Plato than Aristotle, but it's important to know both as the Medieval Scholastics' interpretation of Aristotle is the root of much of the early reformers discontent with the church and university system in the late middle ages.


This should be enough to keep you busy for a good while, anon.

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>>10168097
Just the mere image of Luther drives most people on this board into a frenzy, don't kid yourself