/lit/ - Literature

>>23396932
>A scholar from the 15 hundreds had a more difficult time learning the languages involved and had less sources to work with.
Modern translations, even the NKJV, are blatantly biased and made by a small number of people with nothing to stop them from making idiosyncratic changes whenever they want. The 1611 translation was made by a large committee that subdivided the work to different groups over seven years, and it was largely the same as two Bibles that came before it, the English Geneva Bible of 1560 (later revised 1599) and the Bishop's Bible which was made around the same time. The Authorized version wasn't made by one guy. And these people were far better scholars than what is produced today; many of them knew ten or more languages. They were much more well-grounded in learning, scholarship and so on compared to the people we have today who try to replace that translation with very low effort slop that's meant to be nothing more than a placeholder, to prevent you from reading a good Received text translation.

>Worrying about these translation quirks is stupid.
The fact you think this is a "quirk," despite me having just explained it, really says a lot. It's not even a "translation quirk" when it comes to John 5:16, as the modern versions are using a coptic-derived text as their source and reason to remove that phrase entirely. Their source text simply doesn't have it, so they omit it while the KJV includes it. The modern versions also remove entire verses from the New Testament in other places for the same reason. Because it's based on the same non-original, non-received source. And wouldn't you know it, these missing words and sentences are effectively an attack on the divinity and infallibility of Christ and other important doctrines. People should be aware of this.

>>23356979
I generally agree but also consider what the Lord said in these places:

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
(Matthew 4:4)

"He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live."
(Proverbs 4:4)

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
(Matthew 5:18)

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."
(Luke 16:17)

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
(John 5:39)

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
(John 6:63)

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
(John 12:48)

"Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."
(Book of Revelation 1:3)

"Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge,
That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?"
(Proverbs 22:20-21)

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
(John 17:17)

>>23329469
>Well, there is that theory that the gospel of Mark was made to validate Paul.
Paul quotes from Luke 10:7 in 1 Timothy 5:18.

>it's the only gospel talking about a gospel in the first place
Mark is not the only gospel that talks about it.

"And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where."
(Luke 9:6)

>the original ending was that the tomb was empty and the women told no one which means there was no special post resurrection appearances for the apostles compared to Paul's vision...
That's just the Alexandrian version of Mark. The completed ending of Mark is mentioned and quoted by people who wrote about it in the 100s which is before any known manuscript (of that place).

Also Paul himself mentions Jesus appearing to the twelve in 1 Corinthians 15. You knew that, right?

"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time."
(1 Corinthians 15:3-8)

>>23106173
Remember what it says in the Gospels and elsewhere in the Bible.

"But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."
(Daniel 7:18)

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
(Matthew 7:21)

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
(Luke 19:27)

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
(John 18:36)

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
- 1 Cor. 6:9-10

>>22530454
"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
- John 8:47

It's unfortunate if you don't believe God's word, anon. I will be praying for everyone who doesn't hear the Lord's word and recognize our Maker, knowing that those who are of God can hear what is or is not God's word. As Jesus once said, "Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice." Amen. (John 18:37b)

>>22530434
"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."
- Psalm 119:160

"For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven."
- Psalm 119:89

>>22387316
>Focus on the message of Christ
Yes, I actually am focused on it.

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
- Matthew 4:4

It says every word right here in Matthew 4:4, so I am concerned about every word. Also look at what it says elsewhere in the Bible.

"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
- Proverbs 30:5-6

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
- Deuteronomy 4:2

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."
- Luke 16:17

"Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge,
That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?"
- Proverbs 22:20-21

"For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ."
- 2 Corinthians 2:17

>>22176530
>I believe God's promise that those blessing His people will also be blessed as such.
Genesis 12:3 shows that those who curse our Lord and Savior will not be blessed. See what the Holy Bible, the word of God, says about those who reject the Son of God.

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."
- 1 John 2:22-23

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."
- 2 John verse 9

So you see, they don't have God because they do not abide in the doctrine of Christ. They do not have the Father because they deny the Son. This couldn't be written any more clearly in the Bible, which is the word of God to Christians.

>There's a fast growing movement of Jews converting Jews to Christianity
The fundamental problem here is that a gnostic cult, just because it claims to be the Jews or Israel, isn't therefore equivalent to the Jews or to Israel of the Bible. We should not believe every spirit, as John says in 1 John 4:1, but try the spirits whether they be of God. Just because someone says "I am a Jew," or "I am God's people," does not mean they should be believed without us discerning whether this is true or not, otherwise we are going against what God commanded.

You should all ask yourselves, why is it that these people insist on making their own movement and will not confess Christ? I think it's because they are trying to subvert God's people and infiltrate into the church, rather than that they are God's people themselves. No, the latter view doesn't make any sense. Jesus Christ even personally warns us about those who say they are Jews, and are not, in several places in the book of Revelation (chapter 2 verse 9 for example). So, whose word should we believe here, anon, theirs or God's?

Like was already quoted earlier (>>22175367), "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." That's what the apostle John wrote in the New Testament, specifically in Second John. If you bid "godspeed" to someone who is doing evil, you become a partaker of their evil deeds, anon. That means you are now part and parcel with the evil deeds of a group of sodomites, and you're going against what the Holy Bible has told us to do explicitly. That's your fair warning, anon.

>>22106315
>And in 1 Corinthians 4:14
Sorry, 2 Corinthians 4:14.

>>21892316
Not that anon, but from a Christian point of view, it's essential to combine reading with prayer to God for understanding, no matter who you are because according to the Bible our insight into spiritual matters, related to what prophecies of scripture are really talking about, requires help from God. Here are a couple of key references to support that:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
(Second Peter 1:20-21)

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
(John 14:26)

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."
(John 16:13-14)

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
(First Corinthians 2:12-13)

"But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
(Matthew 23:8-10)

"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"
(Luke 24:45)

I'm sure that without God, it would be impossible for anyone to really find the truth. But with God, as it says, all things are possible. - Amen

>>21880740
>If Judas needed a successor, why would none of the others?
Because Judas Iscariot died and went to hell, as Peter says in Acts 1. Jesus also said in John 17:21, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."

The "son of perdition" refers to Judas Iscariot. Jesus also said in John chapter 6 the following:

"Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve."
(John 6:70-71)

>When do you suppose the succession of the Apostles ended?
It was a single event that happened in Acts 1 due to Judas Iscariot. The apostles of Jesus Christ still retain their positions to this day.

>>21879149
> don't judge others
You've misunderstood Matthew 7:1 completely. It's actually a crime to abstain from pointing out sins, as the entire Bible tells us, including Jesus Christ in the Gospels.

For instance, Matthew chapter 7 itself says this:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

So we see that we should be ready to be judged by the same standards, and we should help others by combatting sin. The important point is to first deal with our own sin before helping others; the point is not to "never judge," which is a popular but incorrect distortion of the Lord's teachings and it is a false misconception made by evil people who want to promote sin.

Elsewhere in the Bible we have:

"He that saith unto the wicked, Thou are righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them."
- Proverbs 24:24-25

"Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."
- Psalm 139:19-22

"Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD."
- 2 Chronicles 19:2

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things."
- Romans 2:1-2

Basically, we are supposed to follow God's judgements throughout the Holy Bible rather than trying to undermine them. When God says that sodomy is an abomination, Christians don't try to change that judgement. We are sure that the judgement of God is according to truth. It would be evil and against God's will to pretend that it is good or acceptable, as some do when they push the, "don't judge," narrative out of context. Same thing goes for lots of other sins as well.

> the kingdom of God is near. It is not the rich and powerful - but the weak and poor - who will inherit this Kingdom
It is actually for whosoever will believe.

"Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it."
- Psalm 37:34

>>21433021
You've definitely hit on something that people, just using their natural intuition alone, have a very hard time to understand. But with faith in God comes a certain kind of trust that He is able to find the most perfectly just solution. So that, if God makes a judgement, then whatever God's decision is must by necessity be the best and maximally just outcome - and better than anything that we could think of. This comes by recognizing that we are limited but God our Creator is infinitely just. Furthermore, it's possible to trust God to the extent that, once we see the judgement made, it will make much more sense at that time, as opposed to our limited understanding in this present life where there are a lot of things that we are not aware of. As one easy example, we don't know what anyone else is thinking, but God does. So, by the time that the judgement is made and the lost are sent to the lake of fire, we may very well be convinced of the truth that said outcome really is the best. The Bible teaches us that there will be a day of judgement where all things that are hidden will be revealed, and so I can see a future where once we learn some of these things, we won't be bothered by the decisions that God makes as to who is saved and who is cast into the lake of fire. It may be revealed to us why His decisions are just in the end. Here are a couple of Bible verses on the matter.

"Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment."
(Job 34:12)

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
(Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) - the end of the book of Ecclesiastes

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
(Matthew 12:36-37)

"Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."
(Matthew 10:26)

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
(Revelation 20:12-15)

>>21370081
Like with Catholicism and many other religions they allegorize everything in order to not have to think about that. It's a fulfillment of what Peter said in another place in Scripture when he was talking about Paul's letters:

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
- 2 Peter 3:15-16

And as Christ said:
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
- Matthew 12:36-37

>>21062047
Also, just in case anybody tries to spring this on me, the Greek word definition:
>Διαφημίζω, f. ίσω, p. διαπεφήμικα, a. l. διαφήμισα (διὰ & φημη) to report, proclaim, publish, spread abroad, Mat. 9.31; 28.15. Mar. 1.45.
- Greenfield 1829 New Testament Lexicon

>>21052462
Christ said "Search the Scriptures" in John 5:39 (KJV). Here is the direct quote:

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Amen.

>>20968754
To help with genealogical stuff would be the first thought. Many of the direct genealogies give us background on where Christ's lineage came from, essentially confirming and providing context to what we later read in the Gospels and the two genealogies there (Matthew 1 and Luke 3).

We see that Mary's lineage stems from Nathan, David's son, while Joseph's is through Solomon. This is interesting because it provides a way to fulfill the restoration of the Kingdom, since in Jeremiah 22 it was stated that no offspring of Jeconiah (aka Jehoiachin), who was the last officially recognized king of Judah, would ever sit on the throne of David. Since Jesus Christ had Joseph as His legal father, and since Mary was also of the same tribe, the rule of the firstborn taking the name of the dead (Deut. 25:5-6) was triggered, meaning Jesus Christ as the first-born inherited the title of the kingdom from Joseph, while sidestepping the curse of Jeremiah 22:28-30 that had been active since the exile. Interestingly, Jesus Christ also sidestepped the whole curse of Adam as well at the same time, due to His incarnation being born from a virgin.

Also, I imagine the genealogies in the earlier books helped out the priests in Ezra's day when they were rebuilding the temple and instituting the priests, to be able to sort out what the correct lineages were. See Ezra 2:62 for instance, which says, "These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood."

Lastly, the earliest genealogies, the ones in Genesis 5 and 11, which include ages, help with dating the age of the earth since the six days of creation. Also the question of whether Israel was in Egypt for only 215 years or for 430 years is definitely supported in the latter case because a genealogy in 1 Chronicles 7 shows that Joshua, (contemporary of Moses) was ten full generations removed from Ephraim (the son of Joseph, grandson of Jacob). These are a few of the contextual things that the genealogies help with that I know of.

The Bible verse for this thread:

"For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ." - 2 Corinthians 2:17

>>20866501
>Can someone show me any verse from any Bible claiming the name for Satan?
Isaiah 14:12 KJV. This is only place it appears in the Bible. The description of the name Lucifer is "shining one", which is similar to the description given by Paul in 2 Corinthians 11:14. This is the accurate translation.

>>20838068
>I'm not sure what pointing to an NT verse written centuries later is meant to say about interpretation of the Hebrew Bible.
It's a reference to Deuteronomy.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
>(Deuteronomy 18:18-19)

Got to Chronicles, how am I meant to approach this? It's an awful lot of family trees.