/lit/ - Literature

>>17039631
Ultimately the problem with Protestants is that they were and are very legalistic. They rely on texts rather than the organic body of the Church.

This ignores the fact that Christ Himself did not write anything down. Jesus did not write the Bible. Even the Protestants acknowledge this.

But Jesus did found the Church. Jesus founded it upon the head of Simon Peter and established the Apostles as its first council of leaders. The Church, as a body, is Christ's true lasting legacy in the world. The Bible came later, as a gift to the Church.

Not to mention the fact that if you JUST have a text there will always be arguments about how to interpret certain passages in it. Where do you think the absolute cringe of the Prosperity Gospel came from? It came from people interpreting Scripture in their own particular way, according to their own perspective and their own desires. If you are Catholic, or Orthodox, you have the authority of the Church to tell you that weird interpretations of Scripture are wrong and bad. But if there IS no genuinely authoritative Church, then who the fuck can tell you you're interpreting Scripture wrong? So you get an "anything goes" attitude, which expresses itself in all sorts of ways in Protestantism.

These two things are by far the biggest problems with Protestantism, and I think they are signs that this is not what Christ intended. Christ would not have wished the spreading of His message and His baptism to be such a mess.

>>16482002
It's a matter of the forgiving and the condemning of sins, and sinful people. That's my reading of it. The Pope, and the Church, have authority to bind and to loose. To forgive sins or not to forgive them. This is authority directly given to them by God, by Christ. So the Catholic Church can freely say who is sinful and who isn't. This gives them the power to set doctrine and dogma, to define what is a sin, what isn't, and the grounds of these things.

>>15817662
That's not the right interpretation of the passage. The correct translation centers the founding on Peter himself, not just his faith.

How much of the resistance to the Augustinian Hypothesis is pure anti-Catholicism? How much is the dislike of Matthean priority fueled by a dislike of the Catholic Church? Because isn't it Matthew, more than any of the other three Gospels, which grounds the foundation of the Church on Peter's head? Isn't it Matthew that declares that whatever form Christianity takes, it must spring from Peter, the rock? Isn't it in Matthew that Jesus explicitly gives Peter the Keys to the Kingdom?

>>14539012
>Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in Heaven. And, Amen, I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the netherworld will not prevail against it. I will give you the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven; whose sins you bind will be bound in Heaven, and whose sins you loose will be loosed in Heaven.

>>14245205
>>14245224
This literally sounds like Nietzsche refuses to take Jesus at his own word. Time after time in the Gospels Jesus refers to himself as the "Son of Man," who is, time after time, equated with God Himself.

I mean, consider the Gospel of Mark, which contains by far the least references to the idea of Jesus as God. It still has THIS sequence, Mark 2:23-28:

>One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”

>He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”

>Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

"Lord of the Sabbath" is an extremely explicit claim to being the God of Israel, whose day was the Sabbath Day. It's an overt claim by Jesus that the "Son of Man" is God.

Thanks for posting Saint Peter's Cross, OP, you ensured that this thread would be blessed.

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